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Post Post #283 (isolation #0) » Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:23 am

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I've been experimenting with the egosearch recently! So quackup mod egopost. :shifty:
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Post Post #1989 (isolation #1) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:48 pm

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I think this is very close to correct balance for a MS game
Have a look at the mod pt for the full setup (SS is almost certainly an evil genius). Idk if I was scum in this situation I think I would've riddled Maria with bullets asap and claimed the n4 info
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Post Post #1991 (isolation #2) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:51 pm

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Hey Sherlock I'm devastated you lived til endgame. If you died and I caught it I was going to send you a pm saying

Subject: Reichenbach Falls
body: "and this time I'm not going with you. *dead thread link*"
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Post Post #1995 (isolation #3) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:58 pm

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That's valid criticism. I'm surprised Maria wasn't shot regardless of claims. A scumflip in a 3p hood when there's only one hood in the game should give two very firm softclears regardless of the informed info, so I don't think them being hardcleared via informed was particularly meaningful to balance.

Outside of that the 2-shot gated investigative shot incredibly true.

It was a very tricky situation for scum, but I'm inclined to say it's equally attributable to the setup and how well town played.
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Post Post #1997 (isolation #4) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:01 pm

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In post 1994, Sherlock Holmes wrote:
In post 1989, the worst wrote:I think this is very close to correct balance for a MS game
Have a look at the mod pt for the full setup (SS is almost certainly an evil genius). Idk if I was scum in this situation I think I would've riddled Maria with bullets asap and claimed the n4 info
Maybe

I can imagine the setup having bad gamefeel for scum; being all non-vanilla they are given no reason to think they should test the vanilla cop claim n1 only to the learn it generates full innos the next day. I can kinda see why scum play fell apart day 2. I do think the setup is probably balanced from a math pov, but likely demoralizing for scum.
That's fair. I do like the fact scum (conditional on massclaim/correctly informed-hunting) have the ability to manipulate how many informed goodies the town get. :) I think Garmr being the last scum standing on d3 was about as bad as it could possibly be, though. (unless like... Nk15 had been lynched day 1...)
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Post Post #1999 (isolation #5) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:03 pm

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The n2 informed of "only one scum in da hood" was also like the ultimate "no shit sherlock" (ayy) and had gamma not played a very sound towngame I wouldn't be surprised if it were more heavily criticised.
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Post Post #2000 (isolation #6) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:04 pm

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In post 1998, Gamma Emerald wrote:Btw the alternative to my opener was a D3 IC claim. I'm glad I chose what I did.
That was pretty cool. I hope they don't mind me saying so early but scum did informed-hunt you correctly quite quickly.
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Post Post #2003 (isolation #7) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:07 pm

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Hahahahaha legit. Sherlock did a good job of sherlocking.
"breadloafing" still makes me laugh... :lol:
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Post Post #2016 (isolation #8) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:35 pm

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Oh god yeah I didn't say this properly: for someone with such a strong reputation for scumplay > townplay (and someone who tends to bring it later in the game as either alignment), I was kinda bowled over by how damn good Pine was this game. That d1 solve was amazing.
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Post Post #2018 (isolation #9) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:31 pm

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Yeah, seems you were on the money. The Tree King is a force to be reckoned with!
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Post Post #2020 (isolation #10) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:29 pm

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I think the main counter there would be have been to shift your informed status to non-modified (/n0). The point about neighbours is true; but as far as I'm concerned after an LUV flip without the informed info I still probably wouldn't touch Pine/Dunn until lylo by virtue of the soft-clear.

From a design perspective, it takes an interesting game to include two scum in a neighbourhood. I don't think this anything about the design makes me want to consider a second scum in the hood. Pine was super towny. Dunn felt towny. At a design level it's technically +ev to town but in this game it was basically dead info.
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Post Post #2023 (isolation #11) » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:50 am

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you had it comin'
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