Micro 878: Chain of Command [Game Over]

RedPanda · Post Post #1550 (ISO) » Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:54 pm

Who do you think LJK partner is? Cause I'm drawing a blank because in my mech solve voted doesn't make sense.

RedPanda · Post Post #1551 (ISO) » Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:00 am

ljk partner can only be you ice

Iconeum · Post Post #1552 (ISO) » Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:00 am

Aubrey

Iconeum · Post Post #1553 (ISO) » Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:01 am

In post 1551, RedPanda wrote:ljk partner can only be you ice

then consider this a hard bus and say thank you

Iconeum · Post Post #1554 (ISO) » Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:01 am

It's the scenario that makes most sense to me mechanically speaking.

RedPanda · Post Post #1555 (ISO) » Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:04 am

In post 1554, Iconeum wrote:It's the scenario that makes most sense to me mechanically speaking.

ok now I get why you want aubrey alive.

RedPanda · Post Post #1556 (ISO) » Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:05 am

unvote

I'll still wait for reactions before I commit.

RedPanda · Post Post #1557 (ISO) » Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:12 am

LJK, I would like it if your three heads tried to mech solve it and post your findings.

Liz Jack and Kenneth · Post Post #1558 (ISO) » Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:40 am

In post 1532, Iconeum wrote:
In post 1531, RedPanda wrote:LJK you asked me not to mech solve.

I think you stop trying to solve based on "blake has been known to not correctly read persi"
This really bothers me about the LJK slot. They are using blake's townread to justify themselves as conftown for not killing someone townreading them, but they turn it around when it involves
another
blake townread

This is untrue, dunno why you say this over and over again.

In my case on RP's slot, I gave reasons for Persivul scum from Persi's scum meta, the likely agenda scum were following in the game, how the NK isn't out of left field for scum!Persivul, and generally scummy posts (like the "reaction test").

I offered another simple reason for the Blake NK: that she was scumreading Persivul's partner, and from that perspective you're likely scum.

Why do you oversimplify my analysis/case and discredit it constantly?

RedPanda, gosh. It's not a double standard; I explained exactly how Blake townreading Persivul is different from Blake townreading us. Do you agree that there *could* be a difference in the type of townreads someone has?

Blake's townread on us was for Nancy leaving her scumrange - something to do with ability. Empirically, if Nancy wasn't able to emulate those EoD interactions in that specific manner as scum, then her doing so confirms that she's extremely likely town.

Even if we were scum, we'd continue to be townread by Blake without any fear of getting caught. We'd have a near guarantee that Blake keeps us from being lynched, because reads based on someone's inability to leave their scumrange as scum simply don't reverse easily.

A townread on Persivul is very different, in that it's subject to rapid change if Persivul made a wrong move - and there's direct evidence of this, look at CoC1 and also Persivul's previous scum game against Ank. The townread doesn't mean much.

What do you mean, mech solve it? I already posted how my solve fits with the gamestate mechanically. I also explained how my townreads make sense from a mech perspective as well. I focused on dayplay and associations to make my case independent of mech as well. If the two of us are town, Datisi becomes prob scum.

Icon mentioned something about how claiming JK is a bad move for scum!him... How exactly? Under pressure a JK claim is *great* to derail a wagon.

The reason you guys are struggling to find our "partner", is because none exists.

if Aubrey or Ico was our partner what stopped us from hammering Saudade?

Apologies - I'm busy so I'm not reading everything, Nancy is VLA I think - I'll try to be around to discuss anything you're willing to.

-Kenneth

RedPanda · Post Post #1559 (ISO) » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:34 am

Blake can only be wrong about persi blake can never be wrong about nancy that's the double standard. I am town, so your whole case is just dumb to me.

I'm going to give you one more chance to try and solve the nightkill and the day pushes today considering that there is a doc and JK still alive. That is the reason I wasn't considering You+voted.

Icon is town. He is playing town jk exactly as I expect him too.

Iconeum · Post Post #1560 (ISO) » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:41 am

VOTE: LJK

Iconeum · Post Post #1561 (ISO) » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:47 am

@captain, you know what to do with the doc, right?

Aubrey · Post Post #1562 (ISO) » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:52 am

I feel like I’m being set up to live and mislynched.

Iconeum · Post Post #1563 (ISO) » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:53 am

In post 1562, Aubrey wrote:I feel like I’m being set up to live and mislynched.

not if the captain survives

Iconeum · Post Post #1564 (ISO) » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:54 am

but you might take a bullet, though

Aubrey · Post Post #1565 (ISO) » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:01 am

In post 1527, RedPanda wrote:
In post 1514, Aubrey wrote:
In post 1429, RedPanda wrote:I'm just thinking if it was iconeum scum he would have disobeyed the order and killed me thinking that I was captain.
and if she is wrong, that looks hella bad on her for disobeying. Lose this mindset.
I lost it just 2 posts below what I posted and this post seems like she's trying to put thoughts about ico scum into my head

Your reasoning for town reading her is poor. Your reasoning for thinking Saude town is also not that strong imo. Your reads conflict with mine. That is all and why I think them. Think it is pretty clear.

Your read on me is purely a mechanical logical solve that will fail you. Game don’t go by the most logical solve. If they did our captain probably wouldn’t have laid down two protects over a role for example.

You also quoting me about the award thing is something i’d Expect to happen in a newbie game.

Why should scum kill me now when y’all are saying you’ll lynch me should I stay alive? That’s just a easy way for scum to now set me up if they are risk takers who do not play by the book. A style y’all seem to expect from them.

Iconeum · Post Post #1566 (ISO) » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:05 am

Aubrey, do you think the captain is town or scum?

Aubrey · Post Post #1567 (ISO) » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:08 am

It’s a risk for scum to shoot in myself icon and Datisi because they don’t know how captain will play it. I personally don’t want Datisi to say any reads because that will give scum clues as to sure fire shots.

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I don’t see a scum motive for her night actions. So town.

Iconeum · Post Post #1568 (ISO) » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:12 am

I agree, captain actions are town motivated.

The captain is gonna put the doc on himself, 100% of the time now. If the captain (conftown), is killed, you are roped.
If scum want to start killing conftown, they have to kill you. This isn't a great scenario for you, but provides some good insights and clears your slot and reads at the same time. I mean, if you are a town doc ur gonna eat lead sooner or later, right? Very surprised you didn't die N1, so that's why this needs to happen.

If both of you survive, you don't die tomorrow. The process of protecting the captain is repeated, either forcing scum hand or clearing the both of you.
I'm not a very strong mechanical player, but this seems like a good move.

And while this is happening, the captain has free choice to use the JK as he pleases, possibly catching scum.

RedPanda · Post Post #1569 (ISO) » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:13 am

In post 1418, RedPanda wrote:I'm hard townreading iconeum for wanting to lynch the captain because from his pov the orders didn't make sense and when the captain explained he backed off.

That is the reason I townread icon and I was just speculating scum icon with my saud since he thought it was him and I thought I was wrong for that immediately and I posted it. You just ignored that I already posted it was wrong.

Your award thing quote is something that pinged me like "hope you not fooling me" "no u"

Anyway your posts just pinged me to make sure that I'm not just clearing you because of your day1 claim.

In post 1565, Aubrey wrote:Why should scum kill me now when y’all are saying you’ll lynch me should I stay alive? That’s just a easy way for scum to now set me up if they are risk takers who do not play by the book. A style y’all seem to expect from them.

Well let's not talk about it then. I'm not lynching you today, I'm reasonable and I can be swayed.

RedPanda · Post Post #1570 (ISO) » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:16 am

In post 1568, Iconeum wrote:I agree, captain actions are town motivated.

The captain is gonna put the doc on himself, 100% of the time now. If the captain (conftown), is killed, you are roped.
If scum want to start killing conftown, they have to kill you. This isn't a great scenario for you, but provides some good insights and clears your slot and reads at the same time. I mean, if you are a town doc ur gonna eat lead sooner or later, right? Very surprised you didn't die N1, so that's why this needs to happen.

If both of you survive, you don't die tomorrow. The process of protecting the captain is repeated, either forcing scum hand or clearing the both of you.
I'm not a very strong mechanical player, but this seems like a good move.

And while this is happening, the captain has free choice to use the JK as he pleases, possibly catching scum.

are you sure you don't want the doc on you?

I think you're more important than the captain. captain can use the jk as he pleases.

Iconeum · Post Post #1571 (ISO) » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:18 am

a flaw in the plan

Aubrey · Post Post #1572 (ISO) » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:18 am

Scum can’t back off when nobody is agreeing with the push?...unless their is more to the story, I’m not seeing that being strong reason to TR someone.

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How about the lot of you shudup and let the captain play mind games with the scum.

Iconeum · Post Post #1573 (ISO) » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:20 am

The captain could actually JK himself, and doc me to really force scum to kill the doc, or show their hand, no?

RedPanda · Post Post #1574 (ISO) » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:20 am

In post 1572, Aubrey wrote:Scum can’t back off when nobody is agreeing with the push?...unless their is more to the story, I’m not seeing that being strong reason to TR someone.

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How about the lot of you shudup and let the captain play mind games with the scum.

I said the way he behaved was town motivated, and really are you arguing icon scum after the last page?