Mini Theme 2083 - Vengeful Ghosts Endgame

[mastina]

2. Living players must post in this thread at least once every 48 hours during the day phase.
3. Dead players must communicate with me or post in the Dead thread (their choice) once every 72 hours.

Waitwhat. Dead players have a longer prod timer?

...Sign me up.

VOTE: mastina.

[mastina]

Mod: Sick, so I'll be doing only the bare minimum until recovered.

This game doesn't need my immediate attention, so sorry, but it'll take me a while to get to it. I know I already marked V/LA because I was busy but now said V/LA may last longer than that time.

[mastina]

VOTE: Chickadee

Stoopid birb

I'm going to call scum even though he's town, just 'cuz.

VOTE: Dannflor
~ Poison Ivy

Town.

Morning
I plan on not getting mislynched early this time

Blue checking in.
-Blue

Town?

I want to be a part of the DC fun!
FL is the only one I know in this game so:
VOTE: Flavor Leaf
~Batman

VOTE: Chickadee
Stoopid birb

Worst fox.

Scum?

[mastina]

Also: given that dead have a longer prod timer which is preferable and that as scum in a flipless game I've always wanted to nightkill myself (not something which comes up often, which is why I've never gotten the chance), it's safe to assume that if I eat a N1 nightkill, it's because I'm scum.

Just putting that on the official record.

[mastina]

Why is Pine town?

Easy, because I called him scum.

[mastina]

Chemist town. Let's quick lynch Dann.

My only opposition is a Dan lynch isn't a mastina lynch.

[mastina]

To be honest.
With better writing (and by better writing I don't mean less puns, puns can be rather endearing), a tighter more coherent script less reliant on stupidity and downplaying rather than upplaying the sheer ridiculousness of comic books--with a more proper narrative?

The Mr. Freeze of that movie would be a

magnificent

villain. That aesthetic is actually kinda terrifying, and yet actually looks somewhat reasonably plausible. It's the sort of getup that would

almost

not be out of place in the Dark Knight trilogy. Almost. (It's a little more "out there" than, sayyy, Bane, but not by much.)

Like, looking at that image, the actual look of it is like a well and true, proper, villain--and the aesthetic of a villain permanently encased in ice pretty much was

magnificently

captured. A villain with that look, making puns, in of itself? Not a bad thing. It would actually be terrifying, and send

chills

down your spine. A casual, cool, calm, collected, deep, professional, yet cheesy line coming from a smooth-talking villain.

If that's what we got.

Then that film would've been AMAZING.

And if the problem was less "Batman slipping on ice" and more presenting the actual threat he posed.

Then the film would've been great.

You can clearly see the flashes of brilliance in the film, there, it just...wasn't quite...y'know. All...THERE. The writers, the director, the producer, took things in a different direction, ruining what was a really neat concept that could've been killer. (Plus, Mr. Freeze has pretty much always been a tragic villain, and having a tragic villain who still provides a source of actual real conflict, is an actual VILLAIN in spite of the tragedy and can play the part of one? Would've been so nice to see.)

But I digress.

[mastina]

Yo scumboi Egix, why are you being so scummy?
-The Joker

You didn't hear it from me, but he might have a condition known as "scumfuck". It's just a rumor y'see, so be sure not to pass it around.

[mastina]

-

Thor665

The Joker

This dates you significantly.

Alas.

[mastina]

(Btw right now I've gotta confess I'm playing a game of "Which of the two anonymous hydras has [one very specific player] in it?" and right now with that reference my GUESS is [that specific player]'s one of the Asylym heads. )

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Also my mafia batteries are, temporarily, drained; I probably need a break before continuing catchup.

Thinking of watching a vog from a stream for like five hours (well, five hours sped up at 1.5x speed) to regain my mental energy.

I wanted to get caught up in all of my games today but I legit am not sure I can; this game was a higher priority because while I didn't eat a prod Jingle gave me an unofficial poke, a precursor to one.

[mastina]

FUCK I THOUGHT I WAS OUT OF PROD RANGE AND I DEFINITELY DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO POST NOW AND WHILE I MAY BE ABLE TO TOMORROW IT'S ONLY A 50/50.

[mastina]

Mastina the joker she is has self-voted in the one game you can't get rid of someone for self-voting so I feel like I've already been checkmated. (No not THAT joker)

[mastina]

I'm just assuming Binary Star is a Krazy hydra since he's in every stealth hydra I see lately
-Katwoman

That's funny, because i'm just assuming Arkham Asylum is a Krazy hydra.

You're not fooling anybody, Krazy.
- Poison Ivy

Okay can I just say that when I earlier said "spot which anonymous hydra has [player] in it", that it was Krazy I was referring to?

Still not sure which of the hydras has him in it but I'm PRETTY sure one of them does.
Still lean towards it being an Asylum head but OH WELL.

[mastina]

(Can I say that right now I am fully lucid and that I kinda sorta do have reads but I just have zero real drive to do anything with them? I don't even feel like making a readslist here even though I easily could.)

[mastina]

(Can I say that right now I am fully lucid and that I kinda sorta do have reads but I just have zero real drive to do anything with them? I don't even feel like making a readslist here even though I easily could.)

(It's not that I'm not having fun. It's not that I'm bored. It's not that I'm drained. It's not that I don't have the energy. It's more like...I feel like in order to have fun I need to only really push if I feel strongly enough about something? And until then I just comment on what I want to. And that if I were to do things more than that it just...wouldn't work on any level.)

[mastina]

I have absolutely no thoughts on your alignment, just theories, but my theory actually implies you as town.

My theory is that your theory comes from scum.

[mastina]

B is either BBmolla or BlueBloodedToffee. That's why they sign as B. It makes sense and isn't a reference to the blue star in the avatar image.
Y is obviously Yosarian2, who else has a name that starts with a Y? Man this is so easy I'm really good at alt hunting
-Katwoman

Hot damn you're old.

[mastina]

Is half the player list just lurking? I expected more pages than this upon returning

Honestly I've been swamped and when not busy I've usually been drained, life sapped away by some mystical tiredness which for the life of me we can't figure out the cause of. It shouldn't be a vitamin deficiency because I've been taking those, it shouldn't be amount of sleep because I've slept more than enough, and yet...tiredness, neverending.

But even given that. Even without it. I just...don't feel like making much in the way of content?

I don't know WHY.

But I just genuinely legitimately just. feel like shitposting and not really scumhunting.

And that's not a real life thing from business/lack of energy, that's a thing specific to this game. Something about it makes me just want to mess around and have fun rather than super srs scumhunt. Which objectively I know is a bad thing and I shouldn't do but I'M SORRY IT'S JUST WHAT I FEEL LIKE DOING.

[mastina]

Stop spamming Harley! Let the master scum player deal with this.

Hehehehehe

-The Joker

But she's not in your hydra.

[mastina]

Egix96
Binary Star
Chemist1422
CheekyTeeky
Chickadee
NerfedBuJ
mastina
Flavor Leaf
Pine
ZZZX
Dannflor
Dr Easy Bake
VOTE: Dr Easy Bake
~ Poison Ivy

Oh is that a mastina styled readslist?
I can't help but comment on that.
The only name high which I'm not sure I can back you on is Chickadee and even then that's "not sure", not "definitely can't".
The only name low which I think should be higher is Pine.
Otherwise being legit serious your readslist actually

is

pretty compatible with my mental one.

[mastina]

lol why is mastina still alive

Because six other people haven't voted me yet.

[mastina]

Mastina, any thoughts on the game?

Not really no.

I mean.

I am reading and I am, legitimately, genuinely. Getting reads from them. So I am

having

thoughts. It's just that I've just...got zero real interest in trying to seriously share them? I don't know why I don't have interest in sharing them, I just don't. I just...feel like it's more fun right now with me not.

[mastina]

I guess I can say that the only reason I'm not voting Dannflor is because I find it more fun to vote myself if that helps.

[mastina]

Yo Mastina, any reads yet?

Yep!

They're not too dissimilar from the reads posted already though and I really don't care to detail them.

Try lynching someone I strongly feel is scum or ask for my support in lynching someone I buy as being scum and you'll hear plenty more from me then.

[mastina]

apparently it's not scummy to just post whatever makes you happy

I mean I'm reading so I'll double-check this to make sure but if it were then I wouldn't have only one vote on me.

[mastina]

Also why is mastina avoiding us

Well two parts business, two parts utter lack of energy, one part forgetfulness/thinking less time has passed than has, and one part? Just the utter lack of being motivated to actually do anything content-wise when I know people expect me to give content.

I am always a little bit of a shitposter but there's usually good content mixed in with the shitposting and yet here I'm a lot of a shitposter and am basically deliberately avoiding the good content and I don't know why but that's what I feel like doing and I know it's a shitty thing to do so I've been trying to not do it by virtue of not being around if that makes sense.

[mastina]

She appears... Busy with something else
-TJ

With real life in particular, but also hardcore losing MBoS4 and yet trying not to. (Basically, regardless of my alignment, when I am in a situation where I know I won't win, I still try my damndest to fight to the bitter end for the chance no matter how remote at victory. But as scum that situation is actually fun and I live for moments like that yet as town there's just a sad resignation of trying for the sake of all the dead town but knowing it's all for naught. I knew for two weeks I was fighting a losing battle and that six other players were going to lose as a consequence of me just being powerless to find the right argument to make.)

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She appears... Busy with something else
-TJ

With real life in particular, but also hardcore losing MBoS4 and yet trying not to. (Basically, regardless of my alignment, when I am in a situation where I know I won't win, I still try my damndest to fight to the bitter end for the chance no matter how remote at victory. But as scum that situation is actually fun and I live for moments like that yet as town there's just a sad resignation of trying for the sake of all the dead town but knowing it's all for naught. I knew for two weeks I was fighting a losing battle and that six other players were going to lose as a consequence of me just being powerless to find the right argument to make.)

(Mind you, that's one of the reasons why I'm not really fond of myself this game. Regardless of alignment I should be doing more; I'm not and yet that lack of doing more isn't because of business or tiredness though those make it worse most certainly. It's just something else. Something I don't have identified.)

[mastina]

What if it's as easy as zz, pine, mastina?

I mean.
I'm townreading Pine, so.

Not impossible!

[mastina]

If I were a super villain, I'd make puns, and you'd all think I would be psychotic.

I mean when I'm scum I am a supervillain who is psychotic and I do tend to make the occasional pun, so.

[mastina]

That and idk how busy mastina is but it feels like her presence is sorely missed here

I dunno, you seem to be doing fine without me.

[mastina]

Is it just me or is mastina acting weird? Like not scummy but just very outside any meta I'm familiar with.

Can confirm, this is me acting weird. Beyond tiredness, beyond business. Those happen to me. But even without it, this is a weird me.

I vaguely seem to recall that this has happened to me before (probably as town, but could be as scum), but it is most assuredly NOT a commonality. Quite the opposite.

I AM self-voting if you're ever interested in pursuing the line of logic that "mastina is being weird and thus must be scum and her acknowledging it only solidifies that read", by the way.

[mastina]

Is it just me or is mastina acting weird? Like not scummy but just very outside any meta I'm familiar with.

She's being weird site-wide, afaict

No not really.
Me being busy, me being tired?
Thaaaaaaaaaaaaat's the new norm.
Games being negatively impacted by that?
Also the norm.

But this game's more than that and is legit genuinely just being weird.

[mastina]

Good protects would be the AA hydra, Flavor Leaf, and mastina. All of them, if Town, are likely to be more productive as the game goes on, but may lose interest without an ongoing stake. The same is true for my own motivation, but I doubt I draw the kill.

Yeah keep that protect the fuck off of me, you don't want that shit on me period.

I'm never a good protection.

Any scum faction nightkilling me is doing the town a public service. Saving me's thus a town disservice.

[mastina]

Also yeah never protect Flavor Leaf either.

For that matter probably just never protect anyone aside from Asylum since really they are the one true protect target here, so.

[mastina]

Lol, I don’t think DEB ever makes that role up tbh

He does if you provided it to him!

[mastina]

Scum is either on DEB or shading his claim.
~Harley

Hi I am mastina and I am shading DEB's claim.

[mastina]

Have you ever seen a playerlist not too chicken to kill or lynch FL anyway? It's not impressive if he's bussing

But FL never busses amirite?

[mastina]

Mastina - make this a priority? I want your input, even if you’re likely to call me scum.

DEB's probably scum, so.

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If mastina maintains the deathwish line today then I will oblige.
-B

VOTE: mastina

[mastina]

And I'm quite confident mastina is scum. I believe every word she said except anything she said about alignment. As in I believe all the WIM stuff and that it isn't because she rolled scum and she doesn't have any obvious reason for it and all that.
And because of this I think it's scum-indicative. I think she's taking advantage of how honest she can be about it. Plus it gives theexcuse to just shitpost and lurk whenever she wants. I mean scum are messing about for sure but they're taking full advantage if the flipless nature of the game and I admire that they are playing it differently than a normal game.

Not gonna lie, deliberately avoiding explaining reads is a scumastina signature move.

[mastina]

I'm waiting to see if mastina or ZZZX will improve the standing of their slots.
-B

That'd be a hard no.

[mastina]

The push on Mastina looks opportunistic from Egix and Bujbuj.

Nahhh their push comes from town.

[mastina]

Are you seriously calling

mastina

an LHF?

Well.

I've been mislynched in like 8/10 of my last towngames and one of the remaining two I was vigged in.

So.

In a sense...yes?

[mastina]

I think Dann may be scum.

I think you may be right.

[mastina]

How are ppl reading Binary rnow

That'd be town.

[mastina]

The push on Mastina looks opportunistic from Egix and Bujbuj.

Nahhh their push comes from town.

Both?

Both Egix and Buj, yeah. I wouldn't expect either of them to be scum here.

[mastina]

Both Egix and Buj, yeah. I wouldn't expect either of them to be scum here.

Why are you townreading Egix, specifically?

He's literally one of the most obvtown players in the game; why aren't you?

[mastina]

I think Dann may be scum.

I think you may be right.

why don't people want to lynch meeeeee

Because they want to lynch meeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

[mastina]

I want to say that JJH still not having posted is indicative that he replaced into a scum slot.
-B

I mean.

The thought had crossed my mind.

[mastina]

Oh hey is mastina finally playing the game?
~ Poison Ivy

No not really?

I'm posting in the game since I can now (was waiting for FL to guilty himself), but posting != playing.

[mastina]

Neat
Have one of my hydra partners come get me when you do something readable
~ Poison Ivy

I already have, it just takes not Easy, not Normal, not Hard, not Expert, but rather, Master-level mastina reading in order to do successfully.

[mastina]

PbPa is pretty easy to hide behind as scum. Egix is not even close to obv town.

PBPA wasn't what made him obvtown.

He was obvtown on D1 well before then.

[mastina]

Why do you think this

Because gut.

[mastina]

Jj or mastina can go.

I can support both of those!

[mastina]

Why is Mastina the top wagon?
~Harley

Because lynchbait can still roll scum, duh.

[mastina]

Yo Mastina you want to directly address me at some point?

And

what

is there to address from you?

[mastina]

Nah, DEB 100% doesn’t fake that claim. He could be that as scum, sure, but it wasn’t fake.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[mastina]

I'm commander shepard and this is my favorite

store

hydra partner on

the citadel

vengeful ghosts
~ Poison Ivy

I didn't know MathBlade played mafia still.

[mastina]

I’m tryna do something. Tryna get this mass out into a claim.

Good luck with that.

[mastina]

I'm not against claiming but I'd rather we all agreed before doing so.

Yes well at least two slots are hard against massclaiming, so.

[mastina]

I’m genuinely surprised that Mastina can’t see how 180 degrees different he is here than in RS.

Oh you think that my vote's a scumread.

I should clarify.

If Flavor Leaf is going to insist that DEB, who was very very obviously scum bullshitting.
Was realclaiming.
And also.
Vote for the player who is the closest thing we've got to conftown and call them gambiting scum?

I see no reason not to vote his ass.

I literally don't care what his alignment is; it's anti-town incarnate.

Now granted, he's removed half of that; he unvoted you.
But my vote remains as a statement more than anything else.

If I actually wanted to lynch him, I'd cast more than a naked vote. Not a chance in hell he actually gets lynched from it; doesn't mean I don't want to vote him.

[mastina]

Mastina goes tomorrow unless she towns the hell up.

Honestly if you can't tell that this isn't how I approach a game as scum then you just really don't know how to read me at all.

"mastina is busy regardless of her alignment and thus doesn't do much" only works for so much; past a certain point there's shit to evaluate beyond that for determining my alignment. And there is nothing about my mindset this game which is remotely my scumgame.

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laughing my ass off at how badly town wants to lose rn

Wrong, there'd be no laughter from you--only sadness.

[mastina]

Mastina goes tomorrow unless she towns the hell up.

Honestly if you can't tell that this isn't how I approach a game as scum then you just really don't know how to read me at all.

"mastina is busy regardless of her alignment and thus doesn't do much" only works for so much; past a certain point there's shit to evaluate beyond that for determining my alignment. And there is nothing about my mindset this game which is remotely my scumgame.

(I should clarify. My mindset for a game is multi-layered. There's no single town mindset; there's no single scum mindset. There are energetic towngames/energetic scumgames, and there's apathetic towngames/apathetic scumgames. But what I do between the four is vastly different. There are towntells for me that exist across energetic/apathetic towngames; there are scumtells that exist between energetic/apathetic scumgames; there are things which point to me being energetic; there are things which point me to being apathetic. But each of them has their own unique quirks and are instantly identifiable by what traits can be seen.)

[mastina]

tbh I'm mostly just upset at this game because I've been trying to revive it all day and nobody is really biting

Sorry.

If you want me to sheep you at any point you can just ask.

If you want me to give feedback on a townread; few of them I'd argue with.
If you want me to give feedback on a scumread; few of them are reads I'd argue against.
So if you want more than a sheep, not much help; I'm not going to tell you much you don't already think beyond obvious sanity checks on occasion. That's the best I can give ya.

[mastina]

laughing my ass off at how badly town wants to lose rn

Wrong, there'd be no laughter from you--only sadness.

why

Because you're not the kind of person to laugh their ass off at the town's incompetence; you're more the type to siiiiiiiiigh at it and if there's any laughter to be had it's of the "misery laughter" kind where it's actually painful for you to watch the town implode but you can't stop them because it's against your alignment...or maybe you try to stop them even knowing it's against your alignment

and still can't prevent it

.

[mastina]

people are always so opposed to mass claiming, but thre comes a time when it benefits town knowing everything more, and this is one of those time. lack of flips makes it so the gap between town and scum info is just that much larger.

This is not one of those times.

If I thought massclaiming at this stage was beneficial, I'd be spearheading the charge.

It isn't.

So we don't.

[mastina]

MOD:

I know I'm probably nearing prod range, but

24-48 hour V/LA due to sickness.

Vomited today, sick.

I'll post as soon as I can.

[mastina]

really all I want is thoughts

I don't have much in the way of those.

I am pretty sure DEB was scum.

I no longer think Dannflor is scum since I believe his claim. Even if I didn't have his claim, I'd think you were town. Egix was town before the claim and looks more town after it.

I don't buy that scum would avoid bussing.

I think that this is town jjh given his posting is different from his defense during 90s Anime UPick. (Yes, it's true that in both games he lurked and then when pressured became more active, but

what he's done

under pressure has been entirely different.)

I still doubt Binary Star is scum. There's no real reasoning to that.

That leaves {CheekyTeeky, Chickadee, Pine, Chemist, NerfedBuf, Flavor Leaf} as having two scum.

I'd still not think Pine's scum, but beyond that...*shrug*

I can see any of them as town; I can see any of them as scum; I wouldn't be able to tell you who's more likely scum than not. I can give you a "lynch preference" list of sorts, Chickadee > Flavor Leaf > CheekyTeeky > Chemist > NerfedBud, but that's not most scum to most town so much as it is, just a shot in the dark.

[mastina]

Buj is town.

Sure.

[mastina]

I'm taking this as mod confirmation that Arkham Asylum is town.

[mastina]

Can mastina even obvtown?

Sure can!

And have!

[mastina]

Mostly because they deserve it

AA is not the slot which I would vote for "they deserve it".

For what slot would...refer to my vote.

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No one is 100% lock anything, that kind of language is utter lunacy.

Kinda willing to policy lynch Binary here for shit like this even though I'm pretty sure they're town.

[mastina]

Mastina could be scum, but she played it in a way where I’m not really sure if it’s a scum move of her to vote me yet call me town.

I don't recall stating you were town.

[mastina]

ok I’m usually obtuse but why is binary a lynch target out of anyone

Same reason FL would be; annoyance/policy.

Unlike FL I wouldn't think Binary would so much as possibly flip scum, butstill.

[mastina]

Why do you scum read FL?

I don't recall saying I scumread Flavor Leaf.

[mastina]

Where is everyone? It's nearing end of day, and we need to settle this.

I think it's kind of telling the Masting lynch isn't picking up.

L-1 in the span of half a week doesn't count as "picking up"?

Huh, what an unusual perspective.

[mastina]

Intent to hammer to ensure a lynch

Honestly I'm kinda tempted to just self-hammer here;
I have self voted twice, said that I wanted to be in the dead due to the longer prod timers, secretly want to maintain my 7/10 game average mislynch streak (no joke. In my last ten towngames I was mislynched in 7 of them, vigged by town in an eighth, put to L-1 and saved by my hydra partner in a ninth, and was on the chopping block in the tenth only saved by us having lynched the last scum before we could Lynch me), and because honestly I don't think that I'll be of any use alive.
I have shared my thoughts on everything that I really can, and they kinda suck; I seriously doubt that they'll improve.

Only reason that I haven't pulled the trigger is,
1: it's technically better for vca if I'm off my own lynch, and
2: I want to make sure everyone has said everything that they need/want to and don't want to cut them off.

[mastina]

Oh I guess since this game is flipless I should claim;
Fun fact: I thought that this game was 10 vts, and all of the power came from the dead players. (Which, D1, is why I thought DEB was bullshitting; I thought that everyone else was on the same page as me in knowing that the game only had VTs).

Obviously that's because I am a VT. I know NOW that I was wrong, but still. There ya go. Not a PR, so better utility in me dead rather than alive.

[mastina]

(Yes, I thought that this game was, publicly, mountainous. Dunno why, but I did.)

[mastina]

MOD: Internet is down, can't post reliably. Be back when the internet is.

[mastina]

Dannflor has died.

No one has died.

[mastina]

VOTE: mastina
FL was totally a mislynch scum counterwagon to actual scum and she's the obvious choice.

[mastina]

Oh I guess since this game is flipless I should claim;
Fun fact:

I thought that this game was 10 vts

, and all of the power came from the dead players. (Which, D1, is why I thought DEB was bullshitting; I thought that everyone else was on the same page as me in knowing that

the game only had VTs

).

Obviously that's because

I am a VT

. I know NOW that I was wrong, but still. There ya go. Not a PR, so better utility in me dead rather than alive.

(Yes,

I thought that this game was, publicly, mountainous

. Dunno why, but I did.)

When I signed up for this game, I thought it was "mountainous, but the dead have power roles". That everyone would start the game a VT, but that once players were dead, that they could use powers to still influence the game. That the reason the game was flipless wasn't to hide PRs (there wouldn't be any), but was purely to hide alignments.

I drew VT, so nothing challenge that assumption. When DEB claimed, I thought the reason that we lynched him was that everyone secretly knew but wasn't outright saying this, that we knew due to the game starting mountainous that DEB was bullshitting and caught scum in a publicly-known lie. It wasn't until D2 that I realized that I was wrong. (Specifically, not until both Dann and Pine softed knowing DEB was groupscum in tandem with the failed nightkill.)

I thought that the entire reason that I wasn't mislynched yesterday was you recognizing that this viewpoint was a signature mastina derptowntell? Like, after I roleclaimed and explained what I thought, you went from willing to lynch me (albeit begrudgingly), to hard-defending me; why are you now not remembering it?

[mastina]

Errr...somehow I forgot to include the post I was quoting.

*ahem*

Dann is not what I thought he was so now we do go through with mass. Mastina can start given she wants to keep playing bad

Um?

Oh I guess since this game is flipless I should claim;
Fun fact:

I thought that this game was 10 vts

, and all of the power came from the dead players. (Which, D1, is why I thought DEB was bullshitting; I thought that everyone else was on the same page as me in knowing that

the game only had VTs

).

Obviously that's because

I am a VT

. I know NOW that I was wrong, but still. There ya go. Not a PR, so better utility in me dead rather than alive.

(Yes,

I thought that this game was, publicly, mountainous

. Dunno why, but I did.)

When I signed up for this game, I thought it was "mountainous, but the dead have power roles". That everyone would start the game a VT, but that once players were dead, that they could use powers to still influence the game. That the reason the game was flipless wasn't to hide PRs (there wouldn't be any), but was purely to hide alignments.

I drew VT, so nothing challenge that assumption. When DEB claimed, I thought the reason that we lynched him was that everyone secretly knew but wasn't outright saying this, that we knew due to the game starting mountainous that DEB was bullshitting and caught scum in a publicly-known lie. It wasn't until D2 that I realized that I was wrong. (Specifically, not until both Dann and Pine softed knowing DEB was groupscum in tandem with the failed nightkill.)

I thought that the entire reason that I wasn't mislynched yesterday was you recognizing that this viewpoint was a signature mastina derptowntell? Like, after I roleclaimed and explained what I thought, you went from willing to lynch me (albeit begrudgingly), to hard-defending me; why are you now not remembering it?

Much better.

[mastina]

Important announcement incoming.
/////There is a cop guilty on the player who posted above me.\\\\\\

VOTE: Turin Turambar

[mastina]

And to quote mastina
'true town doesn't need to say they're town; they show it through their actions'.
So don't say it, show it.

mastina is in this game you should know and she says she'd lynch YOU before lynching Arkham Asylum because AA is, quite literally, no joke, conftown and even if they weren't were obvtown before becoming conftown.

[mastina]

It's been a day; claim already

It's been a day PHASE since I have.

[mastina]

In general, it’s a hard rule to not discount any cop guilty.

While there are additional liabilities to n this game due to lack of flip, I don’t see any reason to think scum would wildly risk a blatant false claim, especially with the likelihood that someone has a coroner-type role and could reveal the bluff

VOTE: Arkham

VOTE: Pine

[mastina]

VOTE: AA

I refuse to believe we have three town players that are this overwhelmingly stupid and I swear to fucking god, fuck townreads I had on any of those slots I will be down for a lynch on any of the players who voted Arkham Asylum.

Dead serious.

[mastina]

Also still want this explained.

My wagon got to L-1 yesterday with intent to hammer. Literally less than half a day later, Flavor Leaf ended up lynched. He went from L-6 (I was the only vote on him) to lynched; I went from L-1 to not having basically any votes on me at all.

Flavor Leaf was, in spite of his shitty-ass play being worthy of a policy lynch, probably not actually scum. Ergo, by employing stereotypical VCA logic, Flavor Leaf was the counterwagon driven by scum--a mislynch--to avoid the lynch of a scumbuddy who was wagoned prior.
(Joke kinda loses its effect when it needs to be explained to be honest, but you did ask, so.)

[mastina]

OK, we're not doing a massclaim. Only you are claiming because you are now today's lynch otherwise.
-Kat

VOTE: Binary Star
Sure.

[mastina]

AORN I think that Asylum v Turin is TvT.

Probably.
Doesn't mean I won't lynch Turin on policy here, because dead fucking serious.

You try to lynch Arhkam Asylum, you get my vote on YOU. AA are not only conftown but obvtown without the conftownness. There is no fucking guilty and trying to pretend there is one is an excuse scum can use to hide and prevent themselves from holding accountability especially given this is a flipless game.

[mastina]

mastina -- need claim
Actually her one comment that she thought it was mountainous would maybe make sense if the scum team was just goons. So worth still thinking about but still thinking town.

You uh.
Kinda suck at drawing conclusions, don't you?
If I say that I think the game's mountainous, by proxy, that is saying that I didn't draw a role which would tell me it wasn't, e.g. that I drew VT.

[mastina]

Also how is it my fault I'm mindmelding with you when my reads have been my own? I don't feel like I've sheeped you at all.

I mean I had an early townread on Chemist which has somewhat faded; I had an early townread on Egix which has grown; I developed a jjh townread on my own; I

had

townreads on both Pine and Binary Star

before

which run counter to AA's reads but on policy if nothing else am joining them in willingness to lynch there.

But my other reads? Purely 100% sheeping AA, I do admit, yes.

[mastina]

We know that deb was not telling the truth about his role. Ideally that makes him scum.

This is a 10:3 game, right?

In a 10:3 game you get three mislynches, yes?

Well I'm flat-out down for just lynching Binary Star and Pine, assuming FL/Binary Star/Pine were mislynches even though between the three there's probably at least one scum, and then trying to find the scum in the remaining players, which would be 1-2 in {Chickadee, Chemist, CheekyTeeky}. That's a 2/3 chance worst case scenario; best case scenario, one of Fl/Binary Star/Pine were scum so we get a mislynch in there and then if we missed the first time have a 50/50 in the remaining.

[mastina]

And you've been wanting to die this whole game.

Sure have! I was about to say "Still would welcome it tho", because I don't have any scumreads and no real ability to discern who is scum, but then I realized that I actually have a reason to stay alive; as long as AA is alive and being voted, I have a purpose for being alive: shutting down the attempt to mislynch conftown who were obvtown even before becoming conftown.

But once AA inevitably eat tonight's nightkill, my statement will in fact still stand; I'd welcome death because I don't have any scumreads and have no real ability to discern who is scum. I have an idea for who isn't scum, but not enough names in that pool to POE who IS scum.

[mastina]

Mastina is bleeding town now.

I was always bleeding town, it's just more obvious now.

[mastina]

I'M BEHIND IN EVERYTHING INCLUDING GAMES AND DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO POST TONIGHT BECAUSE I AM WAY WAY WAY TOO BUSY HOW THE FUCK DO I HAVE LITERALLY TWO DOZEN THINGS TO SPEND TIME ON RIGHT NOW

[mastina]

BTW, there's a SLIGHT chance that I go on a date with my girlfriend, in which case, fuck mafiascum, I'm going on a date.
But OTHERWISE. Once I am home from work, I SHOULD have time for this game and will catch up then.

Circa eight hours from now is my estimation.

[mastina]

BTW, there's a SLIGHT chance that I go on a date with my girlfriend, in which case, fuck mafiascum, I'm going on a date.
But OTHERWISE. Once I am home from work, I SHOULD have time for this game and will catch up then.

Circa eight hours from now is my estimation.

…Orrrrr, maybe my fucking shitty ass internet which is SUPPOSED to be among the best could, for the second. Fucking. Time. In three days. Completely fucking fail on me.
Leaving me utterly incapable of catching up.

[mastina]

How do you think dying would help you form scum reads? You still have to contribute as a dead player, and your slot has already been fairly absent all game as a live player.

Because I'd have the information of the dead players.

[mastina]

Could everyone work on a POE list?

Sure.
Arkham Asylum, jjh, Egix, and Turin Turambar are town.
Given that, there's ~2 scum in {CheekyTeeky, Pine, Binary Star, Chemist, Chickadee}.
Given that we have two mislynches that's a 66% chance at victory at worst by my probably-horrifically-wrong mental math.

[mastina]

of your willing-to-lynch list, which of those do you have actual thoughts on Masting?

I want to lynch Binary Star and Pine.
I'm not convinced both are scum but I'm convinced at least one of them is just legitimately, actually, genuinely scum.
Personally I find CheekyTeeky somewhat suspect, but not to the extent where she'd challenge those two for top scumspect--and also, not to the point where I'd really challenge the townreads on her. She's in the lynchpool and of those who aren't Binary Star/Pine would be my first personal pick but I'd be willing to listen to the reads of others and lynch others first.

[mastina]

I'll get to this game tomorrow.

VOTE: Pine

[mastina]

With the venge kill mechanic it's likely better to lynch in 4p.
Today, we lynch chemist. Tonight, ghosts kill Cheeky.
Tomorrow, lynch Pine. If the game continues, ghosts kill AA.
Unless we are being stomped by Mastina or Chickadee (or scum wincon is highly irregular), town wins.

Substitute the ghost-AA kill with a ghost-Chickadee kill, and sure. Works for me.

That said we should win far before that with either the Pine lynch or before then, depending on circumstances.

But either way, should still be basically guaranteed victory so.
VOTE: Chemist

[mastina]

it wasn't, nah. but pine and Mastina dead thread MVPs ig

<3

I was late to rotate onto the guard stand and somewhat negligent to my duties every half hour, but honestly I feel like it was worth it because we probably lose this if I wasn't around to give reasons. Feels good to not fuck lylo up.

[mastina]

So it was just 3 goons? Townsided.
GG, nice dead thread antics JJH/DEB.

No, with 3 goons, this is balanced. It'd take me longer than 9 minutes to explain why, but suffice to say: not townsided; balanced and only just missing the scumsided mark by a hair's breadth. Literally anything different pushes this into being scumsided and we needed everything we had.

[mastina]

if I had known what was going on in the dead thread, I would've been able to do a lot more to help get them to the right spot

So... What you're saying is you should've self voted like mastina?

TFW mastina's joke entrance was legit the winning strategy.

[mastina]

having to not deal with people being paranoid of me at will would be great

Ehhh...access to dead thread does not guarantee lack of paranoia.

See also, Dannflor dealing with FL's bullshit postmortem.