Mini Theme 2083 - Vengeful Ghosts Endgame

[Egix96]

Dann is the dark knight? He does sound a bit off here. Who is Robin then?

~Harley

ooh ooh ooh me me me!

[Egix96]

Let's quick lynch Dann

Why? His approach in this game is clearly town-motivated in my eyes.

[Egix96]

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Morning

I plan on not getting mislynched early this time

Oh this should've been my RVS.

This feels kinda strange ngl

[Egix96]

VOTE: Debbie

Still have a FoS on Teeky but I think this is the best vote aorn. Deb's ISO feels too fluffy for my liking.

[Egix96]

You’re young baby you still got time.

Saucy take: one of the big hydras are scum. Deb is either scum or town PR.

Ew Boon no

Feel free to tell me more about that first take tho

[Egix96]

I have a difficult choice to make and I need some help.

Do I be try to be extra annoying (or at least post completely unfiltered crap) because death doesn't silence people here... or should I treat it like any other game?

I mean this is your nerfed account so... I'd say the latter

[Egix96]

I have a difficult choice to make and I need some help.

Do I be try to be extra annoying (or at least post completely unfiltered crap) because death doesn't silence people here... or should I treat it like any other game?

I mean this is your nerfed account so... I'd say the latter

Wow what a dick <3

Nuh uh, you mean wiener... dog.

[Egix96]

Let's quick lynch Dann

Why? His approach in this game is clearly town-motivated in my eyes.

Explain.

I think that 42 is more likely to come from town imo
And him stating a TR on Chem in 67 suggests to me that he had a genuine intent to sort him (scum!Dann would have just said Chem was scum instead I think)

[Egix96]

Yo scumboi Egix, why are you being so scummy?

-The Joker

I'm a townboi tho
And I can't possibly imagine what you thought was scummy from my opening posts...

[Egix96]

The RVS thing was a joke

Or was it

[Egix96]

I’m unsure of how to feel about Pine’s last two posts

They're NAI imo

[Egix96]

Let's quick lynch Dann

Why? His approach in this game is clearly town-motivated in my eyes.

Explain.

I think that 42 is more likely to come from town imo
And him stating a TR on Chem in 67 suggests to me that he had a genuine intent to sort him (scum!Dann would have just said Chem was scum instead I think)

Yeah. No.

It's pretty presumptuous to think scum would try to lynch lynchbait early instead of keeping them alive to hide behind in end game. Have you had experience with Dann to make you believe that's whay scum!him would do?

I only have experience with town Dannflor. I was thinking more in terms of what I thought scum in general would do.

[Egix96]

You’re young baby you still got time.

Saucy take: one of the big hydras are scum. Deb is either scum or town PR.

Ew Boon no

Feel free to tell me more about that first take tho

viewtopic.php?p=10919872#p10919872

It’s eww you said eww.

Arkham is semi posturing, and hiding behind their large amount of players to act like they’re doing stuff.

DEB’s familiarity and general excitement for the game implies a S-S relationship as well, and as we know DEB’s not VT, that plays even more into it.

I know this may sound surprising to you, but the 'ew no' was more meant for the first three words of your post.
So where do you think the Asylum are posturing then?

[Egix96]

inb4 Chickadee is 3*Hated

[Egix96]

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Imma pull a DEB. Ready?

Guys, I’m V fuckin’ T. I have low efforted this game so hard and probably will for a while, so imma just fluff post and make snarky comments whilst giving thoughts but not really acting upon.

Actually

UNVOTE:

~Harle

I don't see why you would unvote him just for claiming VT

[Egix96]

Arkham is semi posturing, and hiding behind their large amount of players to act like they’re doing stuff.

I mean, lol we're pretty blatantly shitposting
"Posturing" examples?

-Mr J

@FL is this still on your mind btw?

[Egix96]

FL is this still on your mind btw

Your thoughts on that assessment?

-TJ

The closest thing I can see to posturing from any of your heads is Harley commenting that Dann "does sound a bit off" in 72. At least, in the political sense, which I presume is the one that applies in this context (a mafia game).

As for the "hiding behind their large amount of players to act like they’re doing stuff" part, it seems to be justified in that only the Joker and Harley heads are making any meaningful contribution to the game, whereas you have Mr Freeze who is quite literally going for style over substance, and Ivy and Katwoman who are just... there.

[Egix96]

If you don't mind answering, Egix - can you tell me your read/thoughts on exclusively my head's posts?

85 - I'm not sure if scum really says this sort of thing unless they're very confident. Probably not scum with Cheeky at least.

119 - You know that meme with the guy who holds up his finger and then lowers it? That's my reaction.

142 - I presume you're keeping the reasoning close to your chest for the time being.

177 - If I be honest, I do think this one is a bit weird. Not necessarily scummy, just weird.

248 - I do think that this post is decently >rand town.

So overall I would give Joker head a slight town lean.

[Egix96]

Katwoman and Mr Freeze should post more.

-B

Seconded

[Egix96]

Okay, Egix. While I had you at town, I'm a bit concerned that your play is passive - in my experience, town!you had a wider presence wrt stating leans and asking questions. Are my concerns unfounded?

The problem is that you're only basing that on games you've been with me in. There are a few games where I, as town, was passive, especially in the earlygame (Mini Normal 2048 is one example). In those cases it was mostly because there simply wasn't as much that I wanted to comment on, from what I recall.

Besides, given that you've now said this:

We are still effectively in early game where no one really has much content.

Can you really blame me for not being as active as you might have expected?

[Egix96]

I'm unvoting the hydra because I am pocketed by knowing it contains Auro. We have some mutual wish of playing as town together, and

on the chance that it is happening, we deserve to give each other the chance to prove it.

While I agree with the sentiment shown in (bolded), knowing that Joker = Auro is only making me more wary.

[Egix96]

@Egix, do you have any reads that aren't me?

I do have a town lean on Chem
I'll try and sort the others when I have more time

[Egix96]

Okay is there anybody who townreads ZZZX?

Not me

[Egix96]

@510

I could've done without having to see that lol

[Egix96]

I'd be overwhelmingly cool with a Chemist lynch, now that you mention it.

-White

Chemist is a good D2 lynch contender yes

~ Poison Ivy

Hm? I'd like to know the reasoning for these.

[Egix96]

you just disabled BBCode I think, no big glitch or anything

Anyway I don't like this DEB wagon, I think he's acting more confrontational than scum needs to

I would like to see some more serious content from mastina at some point during D1, they're null rn for lack of content for reasons that don't seem to be alignment indicative

I don't like ZZZX repeatedly promising content and coming out with nothing. I'd really appreciate them blowing me away after their V/LA ends if they're town, or else the slot is a strong lynch consideration for me

TL;DR don't hammer yet until we get more content out of the slots that haven't given much

Thing is, I was actually considering unvoting Debbie yesterday because I was starting to feel stubborn town vibes from him.
Problem was I had no idea where to go next.

[Egix96]

He *thinks* he acts the same, but there’s differences, like the aggro fluff.

This is just defensive.

Almost everyone thinks they're the same as Town and scum

Yeah, but I don’t.

Neither do I

[Egix96]

Thank you.

UNVOTE:

[Egix96]

I remember someone once had a signature about how coming up with a good fake claim takes eons but actually claiming is really easy.
Being a huge ponce and galloping around your REALLY COOL ROLE YOU CAN'T CLAIM BECAUSE THEY'LL KILL YOU FOR IT is functionally the same as CLAIMING except it denies town info. Please continue to lay down those good good hits at L-1, I sure do love them.
You signed your own death warrant for playing like garbage, DEB.
Sorry not sorry.

-White

RC.

~H

Pine said it was DGB though?

VOTE: Z3X

[Egix96]

Eh maybe it was both of 'em, what do I know.

[Egix96]

Why would you try to randomly hit a PR when you have a guarantee that you'll neutralize one very important PR?

If scum just NOT KILLS him, great, our doctor's not neutered; plus DEB *can* obvtown by then.

So, YES, IT SORTS ITSELF AND IS A BAD LYNCH.

I agree with this argument too ftr.

I am beginning increasingly convinced that the lynch I want is whatever slot I never remember is in the game.

I'll let you all know who that is when I remember they're in the game.

~ Poison Ivy

Ah snap it's me isn't it

[Egix96]

No one has died

Huh
I wonder how that happened.

[Egix96]

I mean I could imagine FLeaf coming up with that if he randed scum with Debbie.
Bottom line is it might be pretty reckless to clear him just for that I think

[Egix96]

Egix, who are you willing to lynch today?

idrk yet, I haven't had time to reread everyone. Could do mastina though.

[Egix96]

Egix, who are you willing to lynch today?

idrk yet, I haven't had time to reread everyone. Could do mastina though.

How do you feel about Masting wanting to die? I'm not trying to suggest jester or anything...but it doesn't sit right with me that she openly wants to die just for a longer prod timer.

I don't know how to feel about Mastina.
I'm willing to talk to anyone about that slot to help sort it though.

It could be something to do with her role but I think it's best to disregard that when trying to read her actual alignment.
The rules say the game is 10 town : 3 maf so no jesters or anything like that.
I have some notes I made on mastina yesterday, I could share them if enough people are interested.

[Egix96]

BTW I think I'll stop signing my posts, feels slightly cloggy.

I'll stop signing when you work out who I am.

-B

Spoiler: Not for Joker

I'm 90% sure I've figured out who Blue is

[Egix96]

Okay here they are

mastina
490 - This opens the gate to a lot of WIFOM but I think it's still worth earmarking.
495 - Goes off on a tangent about something that has no real relevance to the game? Huh?
497 - I get that this is likely just a joke but I find it odd that she never alluded to me previously. AFAICT she never says my name so this seems pretty out of place.
786 - This, however, feels a little bit towny to me, on vibes.
790 - "I just...don't feel like making much in the way of content?...feel like shitposting and not really scumhunting." She seems to hammer on about this whenever she finds it prudent and I'm really not sure what to make of that.
806 - Another thing to earmark.
808, 809 - Shades FLeaf but then shades Deb's claim? Does she think Leaf and Deb are scum together or something? This feels weird.
Null-scum overall.

Sorry for the wait, I was out all evening yesterday.

[Egix96]

Egix, share your notes on ALL slots ASAP please.

okey dokey

Chemist1422
21 - Him describing his "snap wolfread" on Debbie as "bad" seems self-aware in a towny way.
53 - "Anyway step one of my plan to not get mislynched early seems to be working out fine" bugs me very slightly.
290 - "I’m having trouble reading either of the hydrae" So am I tbf
409 - Might be worth asking him to elaborate on logic behind second line. Third line gives me slight town vibes.
450 - More towny self-awareness?
551 - I don't really think this post is as bad as NBuJ makes it out to be. I think it's more null than scum-indicative.
698 - I like that Chem includes a post that he thinks is possibly town-indicative (260) rather than going all-in on Z3X being scum. Shows willingness to reevalute.
699 - I'm not really sure what Chem is getting at here tbh, does he think mastina is more scummy than z3x, or less?
So yeah still leaning town on Chem.

Pine
As Chem noted, 251 - 293 - 334 is a strange progression. But I think it is sorta offset by the gaps in postnums - plenty of time for Pine to have rethought stuff.
371 - Prob not scum w/Debbie.
423 - I do like this post somewhat.
425 - "Well shit, my new post was poorly-timed." Is it bad that I don't think scum would say this? Ha.
434 - Presuming that by "Chickadee's post 293" he meant 255... I don't get what the towntell could possibly be. (Unless he meant a different post?)
468 - I also somewhat like this one.
592 - Last part is good
649 - "I doubt I draw the kill" Good look for not going the LAMIST route.
730 - I don't get how 717 is "goodposting"
736 - This gives me pause when it comes to thinking that Pine/Debbie are not w/w.
Pine slight town lean in conclusion?

Haven't ISOed the others yet.

[Egix96]

Yeah I could go chick. AA who is townreading Chick in your hydra?

Actually I think this is mostly Joker who argues he is "75% sure she is scummy town." Poison is asleep right now but I'll ask her in the morning. Last I checked she was more suspect of a policy lynch on Chick but I don't think she was actually townreading the slot, just pushing back against my desire to lynch there.

Harley townread Chick for a bit but I think has been pinged by her a bit so me and Harley are actually kinda on the same page here.

It's a supervillain battle between Harley and Katwoman vs. Joker and Poison Ivy with the fate of Chickadee at the heart!

I'd watch it

-Kat

I'm just here wondering whatever happened to

Freezerguy

Mr Freeze.

[Egix96]

Nope. Notepad.

[Egix96]

With the [post] tags? Or are you rapidly adding them in when you paste here?

the latter

[Egix96]

I had this same thought. Maybe it's a ploy to get us to look at associations with DEB?

I missed this but I highly doubt scum gives up a NK for a ploy that's not even guaranteed to work

I kinda feel the same way

pedit: nope, laptop

[Egix96]

Egix, do you usually take notes on individual players or is this something you're doing specifically for this game?

Specifically for this game

[Egix96]

Some BuJ thoughts:

655 - I actually wanna TR this slightly? As in I don't really think scum comes up with this thought.
780 - Feels kinda disconnected from 654 . Maybe something to do with Debbie figuratively committing seppuku?
878 - "My most comfortable posts as scum are when I can be totally honest./I am projecting that on mastina." The problem with projecting is that it can sometimes be very unreliable - other people aren't you.
879 - "But then I still went back to

*nulltown*

. He got himself lynched which was the most anti-town thing he could have done because he was so scummy people killed him instead of actual scum so I called him out on it." I'm thinking he'd have needed to have Debbie higher than "nulltown" in order for that reaction to be justified.
Really not sure what to make of BuJ this game overall...

[Egix96]

hmmm

VOTE: Egix

Egix, why did you start taking notes this game?

It's something I wanted to try out for a change, to help refine my reads.

[Egix96]

Sorry, I’m just town here. This is a flipless game.

And I don’t claim VT first as scum.

Nor do i claim first

isn't your thing that you

would

do that as scum

He removed it from his sig

[Egix96]

Okay, I'm the Resurrectionist.

Each night, I can choose to revive a dead player, but it won't work if they were NKed by the scum.

[Egix96]

Ah sry

[Egix96]

Dann - doc
FL - V.T
Egix - resurrectionist
DEB - doc enabler

What was Chickadee?

I don't think she claimed iirc

[Egix96]

I think Pine, Dan, AA and FL are town. Pine came in first to soft claim a guilty on DEB, backed up by our claimed doctor. Makes me think Pine and Dan are on the same side.

Seconded

gn

[Egix96]

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in no specific order in tiers

AA
BS
dann
egix

cheeky
buj

chickadee

mastina
chemist
pine
jjh

scum are 100% on that bottom tier

I personally would swap around Chem and BuJ
Rest is fine tho

[Egix96]

I think anyone who is trying to place Boon on wifomy meta is kidding themselves.

Try to come up with actual reasoning behind actions and actually say that. 1249 is an indirect and less powerful version of "I think FL's push for massclaim comes from a genuine belief that it would be positive." Would you take that stance, or are you trying to say you think he's town without making a hard commitment?

I think the last several posts by FL are significantly more likely to be town-indicative than anything he's posted so far this game, I don't buy that scum!FL has that type of attitude towards a game like this, especially in a world where DEB is also scum.

~ Poison Ivy

You say that right before he hamfistedly accuses everyone voting him of being scum

This is exactly how town!FL responded when he was almost mislynched in ND.

FL is obvtown here. He has shown a sincerity here that I have never seen him replicate as scum. His thought process is nuanced. I’m genuinely surprised that Mastina can’t see how 180 degrees different he is here than in RS.

~Harley

Although on the other hand I probably shouldn't expect Boon to have awareness of his limitations like that?

Scum!FL would have found a scummy way to pivot from that. RC called FL one of the 5th best scumplayers on site in GS, so he’d be playing really horribly in a world where he is actually scum here.

~H

ND? RS? GS? Idk what those are

[Egix96]

The guy does things as scum just to then say he wouldn't do them as scum

And accusing everyone on his wagon could well be out of both his playbooks
Hell, a lot of shit he does is out of both his playbooks which is why meta is so questionable here

But what I'm thinking is that something isn't adding up right in both his logic and the drive behind it and that's indicating to me that Boon is scum

You’re telling me I don’t know how to sort him? ISO him in No Deadlines and ISO him in Restless Spirits. This isn’t a good basis to read him.

~HQ

nvm

[Egix96]

i lived on that guy's couch.

im claiming soul read.

(1)

i doubt he even knew what an enabler was prior, and he played it exactly like i thought he would have.

(2)

him and flippynips both are more likely to claim as scum and fight against claiming as town.

1 - I kinda think this is a moot point considering that the MS wiki is a thing

2 - I get that Debbie made a hydra w/ Flippy but how else is he relevant?

[Egix96]

mastina can be town.

[Egix96]

I know em both

Mmmmhm

You feeling better now?

[Egix96]

this game is really something isn't it

~ Poison Ivy

It's making my headache worse.

[Egix96]

VOTE: mastina

Between all current wagons, my lynch preference is
mastina > Pine > BStar ~= Leaf > Asylum

[Egix96]

If people were voting NBuJ I could go there too

[Egix96]

Where is everyone? It's nearing end of day, and we need to settle this.

I think it's kind of telling the Masting lynch isn't picking up.

I'm here.

To be clear, are you saying it's implicative of scum!mastina?

(Happy birthday btw)

[Egix96]

24 hours.

[Egix96]

Dann come back to BS

Boon go BS

Egix, Chemist, someone please log on and vote BS

EZ we got this

-Kat

I'm here but I don't reeeeeally wanna do that.

[Egix96]

Wait, I have an idea.
What if we lynch Leaf and then I resurrect him? That would give him a chance to speak to Debbie right?

[Egix96]

Plus, I like the idea of my mislynch being a greater good, and the possibility of getting back in the game.

I volunteer for tribute, and imma win the hunger games.


Don’t clear AA, stay paranoid of Dan. Scum was on my wagon. BS is likely town.

Keep that for endgame, because things will change with the next day phases, and surface levels will open up

So yeah, let’s do that play.

If Egix is scum doing that play, that’s sick af too. So I’m willing to be a part of it, but i don’t think he is scum.

Okay then...

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[Egix96]

Okay, I'm the Resurrectionist.

Each night, I can choose to revive a dead player, but

it won't work if they were NKed by the scum.

Did you forget this part, Boon?

[Egix96]

Fine fine I won't res him.
Happy?

[Egix96]

Egix can you resurrect both scum and town?

Yes

[Egix96]

Ngl I was tempted to steal it too

[Egix96]

That he was hiding his true role? In fact, as an actual cop, he'd have even more reason to hide his true role. Not everyone who lies automatically equals scum. Cops lie too, because they are more likely to be NKed if they reveal their cards too soon.

I don't really think it's a good idea for TPRs to bluff their role in a flipless game though. Just saying

[Egix96]

He claimed to protect us N1. We have a claimed doc enabler and backup enabler.

I don't think that's what jjh meant...

[Egix96]

If that's a real guilty I'm a backup doctor enabler

"If that's screaming, I'm a fly"

[Egix96]

Egix, please don't resurrect Flavor Leaf on the basis of his cop claim - there must be a mortician in this game who should be able to verify we're town, in case we're lynched today.

I wasn't planning to anyway

[Egix96]

If that's a real guilty I'm a backup doctor enabler

"If that's screaming, I'm a fly"

I thought it was a sarcastic jab too, but both the Dann kill + No kill N1 when he claimed to protect us make sense with a backup enabler, so I think he meant it in the sense of "If that's a real guilty, here's my claim, it's backup doc enabler"

-The Joker

Yeah I can see where the possible confusion lay.

But I think that Debbie was scum. Hence no enabler required for the doc.

[Egix96]

I will not be voting for anyone, either which way, until after mass claim, and after more is released about what's going on in the dead thread (special attention on Dann's reads, and the rest of the FL claim)

Same here.
AORN I think that Asylum v Turin is TvT.

[Egix96]

Just to clarify, I was joking about the backup doctor enabler thing because that would be as dumb as this guilty

See, I understood

[Egix96]

Don't mind me, just checking that my PFP hasn't been corrupted.
@Pine @Asylum, yours have.

[Egix96]

It works now. Nvm

[Egix96]

It was showing as a blank box with a blue square in the centre (on iPad that basically means missing image) but it seems that was just a temporary site hiccup.

[Egix96]

@Mod: V/LA until Mon 22 Jul

[Egix96]

I can be here for a few hours tho before I have to go.

[Egix96]

Egix's role probably sounded SUPER DOPE on paper

Tbf my role would probably be too OP if I could res NKs.
It is a pretty massive limitation though yeah. A bit excessive, maybe.

[Egix96]

You’re young baby you still got time.

Saucy take: one of the big hydras are scum. Deb is either scum or town PR.

this is a post that exists and now I would like to bring attention to the first part of this

let's assume FL is scum. Does he just TMI his entire team like this?

I wouldn't read into that at all, personally.

[Egix96]

You’re young baby you still got time.

Saucy take: one of the big hydras are scum. Deb is either scum or town PR.

this is a post that exists and now I would like to bring attention to the first part of this

let's assume FL is scum. Does he just TMI his entire team like this?

I wouldn't read into that at all, personally.

And why not

Because I think that trying to answer the question of "Does [scum!Boon] just TMI his entire team like this?" is a pointless exercise. Wine in front of me and all that...

I would like to see Cheeky AND Binary lynches...so this puts me in a weird spot. I don't think they're scum together, but I also don't have a reason to towered either of them. I do think scum is in one of them.

Do we have all the claims yet?

I think that everyone except for BStar has claimed??

[Egix96]

The dead thread has a fictional nightkill.

Er. Factional. The kill is very real.

What

Yeah, there are two things I don't get about that:
1. If the Graveyard have a factional kill, why have they (seemingly) not used it yet?
2. What's there to stop the scum from effectively using it as a second KP by just sniping @deadline?

[Egix96]

OSTENTATIOUS is town, so I'm curious what exactly you're questioning. Feel free to wait for their answer before answering mine. I'm just trying to get an in on your line of thinking here.

I'm not doubting that Osten is town. I was simply stating what I didn't understand about how a Graveyard Factional Kill might work.
And no, Osten doesn't have to answer if they think it would be detrimental.

[Egix96]

I feel like I'm missing something.


regardless, I'm waiting for Binary to come back and claim.

Their refusal to claim reads superscummy to me. And I dislike how both

BS

and Pine jumped from us to Chemist.





~Harley

You mean Ost right?

[Egix96]

I feel like I'm missing something.


regardless, I'm waiting for Binary to come back and claim.

Their refusal to claim reads superscummy to me. And I dislike how both

BS

and Pine jumped from us to Chemist.





~Harley

You mean Ost right?

No, why would I? I think Ost is clearly town. Both BS/Pine sheeped his Chemist vote. Is that not clear?

Idk
BStar haven't done anything since they voted Cheeky

[Egix96]

Harley is unwell, I can understand that she would get order of events mixed up

[Egix96]

Ohhhhhhhhh my god

I had to step away from my computer for a while when deadline hit because of how damn stressful that was. I thought we'd lost until now, oof.

GG everyone

[Egix96]

thanks for holding your ground egix

*bows*

[Egix96]

great work Egix, you were awesome at the end there. <3

Oh man

From like 20:00 to 20:20 I was just standing in the corner of my room thinking "oh god it was the Asylum wasn't it"

I was too afraid to just look at FG's flip at first so I just skipped to the latest page and tried to figure it out from there lol

Needless to say I was pretty confused for a bit