The Mystery Box Of Silver 5: Clash of Cash death grips

[Old Dogs]

creature do u really have no thoughts on the gamestate whatsoever

[Old Dogs]

Every person that was on vorkuta is now on Rhino.

ftr this is why im not voting him despite the fact i think he's scummy x:

there is definitely scum in 1130/yay/rhinox/piss ftr - my ranking personally is 1130 > piss > rhinox > yay but I Could Be Wrong

voted and any other town outside of that let's try to bloc

[Old Dogs]

creature is probably scum but i'd rather Give Him The Chance

what about chickadee

[Old Dogs]

skitter and ank that haven’t done much but people still listen to them for some reason

to be fair one of them is vvvv likely scum, thats probably why :/

VOTE: creature

What Are Your Thoughts on the Gamestate!

[Old Dogs]

why not?

also toog claimed survivor im not sure we're gonna look there today

[Old Dogs]

Am i correct in assuming you still have us in ?????????? territory Katy?

~ Pichu

out of all the slots i'd expect more from and expect to be scum via gamestate i think you're the towniest, yes

doesnt mean much

voted what are you melding on precisely?

[Old Dogs]

skitter wdym by "on balance"

[Old Dogs]

occam says we dont assume things like that until there's claims or a second kill

[Old Dogs]

Are you talking about that toog quote? I don't know how to exactly describe it. It's like if you are standing in front lots of people, you want to look noble/ clever/ educated so you use fancy words and phrases, rather than telling your though as simply as possible.

meh

i get what you mean but i dont really get that impression from toog

occam says we dont assume things like that until there's claims or a second kill

i mean yeah but it's a weird nk and we know there's 3p so thinking that 3M may not have been the scum nk here is not entirely unreasonable

i mean it's *not* but from d1 the more we start thinking about 3p the shittier our lynch options are going to get

pedit: they were all memes lol

[Old Dogs]

actually the most protown play wrt the nightkill is to do this:

IF YOU'RE A TOWN VIG WHO SHOT 3M HARDCLAIM RIGHT THE FUCK NOW. TOWN IS ALSO DIRECTING YOUR SHOTS BECAUSE 3M WAS A TERRIBLE CHOICE

if a sk wants to claim vig, wig they're risking their life so we let them and leash them. scum arent going to immediately kill the vig unless we're actually being productive because sk paranoia is going to be really easy to push this game

pedit: hard questionmarking rhinox/chick s/s. i agree chick's townread on rhinox wasnt good but it doesnt scream svs to me

[Old Dogs]

also i am tentatively saying that this is scum creature and some of that has to do with zzzx

[Old Dogs]

tbf creature will only do nothing when given room to breathe as scum, i tried it last time he repped into a scumslot lol

if he's town hes gonna do stuff next time he posts im confident

[Old Dogs]

zzzx kind of shat town though the larges ive seen him in

cowboy bebop redux he was like one of the most obvious town slots in the game despite that shitty town deciding to ml him

he was more interactive in everhope, never saw a catchup like he did there

[Old Dogs]

okay... wig

mastina can u contribute in the way of reads a bit more if you're town this gamestate sucks and we really need people to do things. do you think zzzx/creature is scum here?

[Old Dogs]

I also got new role. Now I am vengeful multitasking reflective 1-shot bulletproof, jailkeeper, 1-shot rolecop miller.

oh on god?

[Old Dogs]

This is disgusting. Even though I am only page 53, I will push this.

why not creature/zzzx?

[Old Dogs]

I think ZZZX is town

is there a point that made it more confident? u said tone gave him a 4.5 on ur scale but i dont really see it

like his catchup wasnt really that interactive or useful and ive seen town him be slightly (to clarify he's always a lurky slot that replaces out d1 in larges for whatever reason, why join if you dont like games like that ) more useful so *shrug*

[Old Dogs]

>Just received another role upgrade.
>Is suddenly suffering from PTSD from MBOS4 where new powers kept on being given to me.

So since the first role was kinda debunked (or at least, katy claims you didnt use it on her) i'm not really sure ehat the point of this is

i buy that mastina considers what she targeted me with is a pseudo masonizer but i like know for a fact it's not a true masonizer

she definitely has a role and it could be investigative (why would you target me with it aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa)

[Old Dogs]

VOTE: Chickadee

We are doing this.

[Old Dogs]

VOTE: Chickadee

We are doing this.

i guess now that titus is BACK im gonna sign

zero objections to this vote fwiw, i still think this is scum creature though

~katy

[Old Dogs]

@insomnia let's not decentralize pressure and get on chick since voted and titus want to go there and i have no opposition

~katy

[Old Dogs]

You had to out which is which.

[Old Dogs]

You had to out which is which.

i think my syntax is way too distinctively not you lmao, if u wanted to Surprise people you should have told me

[Old Dogs]

VOTE: chickadee

mastina let's talk about chickadee locktown?

requoting this because i think there's more to talk about here actually

so i think it's pretty Objective and something town implicitly agrees on that scum primarily pushed the vorkuta wagon since no one is saying scum in the lurkers or making much effort to look there (zzzx voters scumread chick for the most part so even then)? so, if the wagons were TvT, what do you think is going on?

[Old Dogs]

him not contributing with anything to progress town's wincon

will just declare you as a public enemy, if he doesn't vote with town I will personally powerlynch him one phase before LyLo.

I don't think he's town like at all, think he's legit 3p of some sort. The mentality behind his posts just screams survivor,

only defending himself, not giving a shit about pushes

, he was an unaccounted for abstainer yesterday.

+doing shitty reads
This is town!Zeebu.
I don't know how 3P!Zeebu looks, but scum!Zeebu is different.

I think there's no doubt he's not mafia and the fact that piss and skitter were doing things to put him back on the table is sketchy as fuck

i think insomnia worded what i've been seeing with skitter from the getgo really well - her reads dont feel real to me because i cant see what she's doing to get to them, putting it as "painting people as scummy" is what i was looking for. irrelephant is just kind of a mess and i dont really know what to make of that

~katy

[Old Dogs]

see this is what i mean by irrelephant's half being a hot mess lol

(speaking of which i cant wait for titus to be out of work lol i wanna talk about like secondary reads w her because thats where im least confident rn)

for the record i slip a lot because im using the same theme for both katy and this hydra since i was playing sky's game on a different account : x

[Old Dogs]

edit: like that yeah. I'm not sure why me agreeing with y'all's reads makes us scum regardless of chick's flip. It's starting to feel like it'd be impossible to ever get townread here and that feels agenda-y, but I can't put my finger on anyone who's setting out to intentionally shade us at every turn except maybe insomnia or old dogs, who probably aren't scum partners and both feel towny in isolation. Feelsbadman

the way your slot is transitioning just feels like damage control to me - if you're town and you're voting correctly im positive it'll self resolve

theres a reason we're not gunning for your lynch specifically - but i do think theres strong town players who are scum in this gamestate because it's abnormally slow and useless

[Old Dogs]

I felt this way D1, when I was struggling to catch up and play. I'm caught up now, and don't really feel this way anymore. I'm curious to hear as this game day plays out if I still come across this way.

Either way I personally think it's a town tell, so there

i mean i thought you voting chickadee constitutes as "hot mess" as i said earlier. i dont really know if it's town indicative here, like you and skitter just have different approaches to how this gamestate should be approached as scum and dont really have much cohesion is a plausible explanation for why that is. i in no way anticipated skitter to vote chickadee here so like the fact that you guys were talking about it was kind of surprising

pedit: i think chickadee's "he's gamesolving so he's town" townread is also not s/s

[Old Dogs]

i mean i basically agree with that list so it's not really the reasoning im concerned with... like i think as scum you would be aware that you need to be bussing and putting yourself in the townbloc if you dont want to get lynched down the line because you're both probably the most charismatic of the team

also uh is there a holiday i forgot about in brazil? i think creature isnt particularly busy and yday i saw him posting in other games etc etc

[Old Dogs]

if chickadee is town, when it's time to aim for groupscum we're starting with creature and i think thats pretty clear

[Old Dogs]

It's just frustrating to feel like we're in a "damned if we do, damned if we don't" zone because of skitter's reputation and our struggle to have time for the game, and I would love if you and insomnia specifically gave us the benefit of the doubt a little, even if I can recognize that that's objectively a "dangerous" thing to do when it comes to skitter (and to a lesser extent, me too).

skitter's rep has nothing to do with my read on you

i just really dont townread like any of your posts and you're the highest poster in the game - if you're town im not like lock tunneled on you even if it feels that way

[Old Dogs]

i thought i explained to rhinox but i didnt!

basically at night start i got a "here's what happened during the night" discord message in our hydra chat that said we received a piece of fruit and that mastina visited us. That's it.

So I don't know if, say, Mastina is a loyal loud fruit vendor (which would make sense as a "masonizer" soft), or that the fruit vendor and mastina are two separate people. But Mastina is definitely loud.

[Old Dogs]

creature do you intend on like, reading anything

also uh is there a holiday i forgot about in brazil? i think creature isnt particularly busy and yday i saw him posting in other games etc etc

I play whatever pleases me.

sure but i know you well enough to know that you like being town a lot more <:/

oc he is town.

I dont remember where I was in this one but 1130 sounds right.

who's he

[Old Dogs]

though, I can already tell exactly from that post that Pichu is Firebringer.

i.................................................................................................

in the words of one of the greatest mafia players of all time, "I possess NO repsonse[sic]..."

[Old Dogs]

not to spoil the fun but alisae hasnt even posted

[Old Dogs]

Also I keep thinking you're Transcend for some reason.

the name is a homage to him!

[Old Dogs]

<:/ ...wig... \:>

piss you're townreading creature way too prematurely, he hasnt done like anything productive or townie? this isnt 2016 creature who cant even post as scum

[Old Dogs]

I think scum already wants to kill me, so let them do.

who is scum

[Old Dogs]

anyway uh

so toog's wagon has basically the same composition as vorkuta's, so if tomorrow comes down to PLing a survivor claim i would get zeebu first

[Old Dogs]

vigs not shooting survivor claims are throwing btw which is another reason im pretty sure 3m was just killed by mafia?

[Old Dogs]

the only people in this game i can even comfortably call town are you and voted (and 3m before he died) so :K

im REALLY assuming no one is going to do that if chick is scum

[Old Dogs]

i dont disagree he's v likely scum but considering that we mislynched once and theres a good shot we dont have a lot of town active i wanna be more certain abt like, lylo and stuff

[Old Dogs]

would be a little disappointed if like, zeebu did actually have nk deterrents though

[Old Dogs]

he said d1 but like, the whole situation seems weird so no one believes it

... do we want to? in that case toog is the only survivor

[Old Dogs]

Man you're all bad at this

Okay, then help us out

Old Dogs

VOTE: old salty scum dogs

no

Old Dogs

VOTE: old salty scum dogs

why are you voting here?

VOTE: rhinox

- skitter

no

we're affirming what we're doing with the survivors today. considering that the 3 missing slots are unlikely to be coming into the actual game i think there's only 3 scum which means tomorrow is lylo

there's 100% at least one groupscum in {yayvideogames, 1130}, possibly both
Voted, zeebu, Rhinox, and Toogeloo are never groupscum
Creature is playing to his scum meta currently, if he's town he has to prove me wrong today
The rest of you need to actually do something today

[Old Dogs]

wait nvm if that's the case the day after is

but in case there's 4 scum we have to do it today

[Old Dogs]

also if anyone got fruit please claim if you were visited by mastina

pedit: fruit vendor + mastina?

[Old Dogs]

alright mastina should claim if she's loyal then?

i think that would make 1130 very clearly scum if yay is clear

[Old Dogs]

but it would if it were.

... you read 1130/me as svs?

[Old Dogs]

... wig

[Old Dogs]

if ank gave intent i would have unvoted ftr

creature, instead of just saying we're going to lose can you help us scumhunt? do you have any reads whatsoever?

[Old Dogs]

Vorkuta (8): ElevenThirty, YAYVIDEOGAMES, Old Dogs, Toogeloo, Chickadee, pisskop, zeebu, Rhinox
Chickadee (4): The Three Musketeers, insomnia, Vorkuta, Voted

also i dont think being suspect of chickadee was entirely off base considering the chick wagon d1 was entirely town, vorkuta getting momentum so quickly during the deadline was suspicious and scum killed off both wagons which is why titus wanted that lynch

rhinox is never groupscum because everyone who has scum equity pushed him and scum are not bussing in this gamestate

pedit: absolutely

[Old Dogs]

gamestate read says yes

~ Pichu

why would you ever hammer chickadee if you felt this

[Old Dogs]

if ank gave intent i would have unvoted ftr

This is why my Dogs townlean is in limbo
This is almost word for word what the worst said as deepwolf in a game he basically singlehandedly won for his team, and while I'm not ready to call Old Dogs def-scum, I am also not ready to call it town in this moment.

pedit: titus is playing???????

-Irrel

she made one post lmao, she moved our vote to chickadee and i didnt object but preferred creature

also im... not worst nor do i know if the context is the same? yay lolhammered and i would have been suspicious of the composition at that point

[Old Dogs]

also obviously 3m is a groupscum kill, no one claimed vig and there's no serial killer

[Old Dogs]

isn't that strange (:

~ Pichu

there being no sk? no i fully expected it from the get go

yay lolhammered and i would have been suspicious of the composition at that point

this was basically exactly the context

"oh no it was quickhammered before I could jump off! I was also not ready for that townie to be hammered!!1!" (sorry tw if you're watching, not a very good impression)

-Irrel

okay? but someone saying something once doesnt make another person in a different game scum or that line scummy??

[Old Dogs]

You can basically consider me off the wagon, vca-wise!"

i.............

wig

[Old Dogs]

there being no sk? no i fully expected it from the get go

no

3musket being scumkilled n1

~ Pichu

they were obvtown, people are scared of flavor for whatever reason, they were off both wagons

it really really seems like a normal nightkill

Mayeb you're town Old Dogs and if so I have confidence I'll come around but I'm having ptsd-lite flashbacks because tw was amazing that game and his partners were basically consensus scum but he always directed things to a mislynch and never lost towncred (partially because he was able to say things like "I didn't know my partner would quickhammer! Oh no!"
and meanwhile I've never played a game with you and know for certain I have not done my due diligence in making sure I townread you for strong reasons that match your meta

Not sure what to think about "Titus's only post was to vote chickadee", gonna have to ruminate on that one

-Irrel

you're welcome to meta me, i can link games in a sec

[Old Dogs]

they were obvtown, people are scared of flavor for whatever reason, they were off both wagons

it really really seems like a normal nightkill

no

it was a very odd nightkill

~ Pichu

you had a shitty read on ramcius it's fine

they shat town

[Old Dogs]

viewtopic.php?f=52&t=76098

http://trustthedeceived.freeforums.net/ ... -game-over

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=68636

the only scumgames i played to completion that i actually tried in (ie rl circumstances didnt fuck me over and force my slot to get bussed which happened like twice, and the other scumgame i was playing to town wincon because of an alternate wincon i had so) @irrelephant

im simyk and gigabyte ftr, i've never actually started as scum in a real mafia game as katy yet

pedit: piss, you're aware that the toog wagon and the vorkuta wagon are identical sans toog themselves right

[Old Dogs]

Okay here's Titus's post
Has titus offered anything behind the scenes

basically only an explanation for why she thinks chick is scum, she expected our slot to get nightkilled if chick was town because scum would shoot on wagon in that case

she hasnt read the game (only votecounts) and she was a bit tipsy at the time, i told her key points to read but idk if she has yet

wig

[Old Dogs]

uh sure

if you're town then ank is like definitely scum

i think creature is almost always scum here

wh4t is within her scumrange, pisskop i dont think is as townie as he was in skygazer's game, i think rhinox/toog/zeebu/voted are all fairly cleared, i dont know what mastina's deal is and she should hardclaim today i think

[Old Dogs]

Is rhinox cleared for anything except who voted him for a second before chick got lynched? -

genuinely saying yes

Is toog cleared for anything except the (we all think not self- but might have been a self-)govern moment? -

no, same reason as rhinox. i dont think incompatible wincon is something that would be read for

Is zeebu cleared for anything except the "scum would have told him his pred's claim"? -

i think gamestate makes it obvious he's not groupscum

Is voted cleared for anything besides "pretty towny play"? (this one I still townlean, but cleared seems too strong here) -

i mean why else? he's the only living slot i like completely townread now that insomnia and 3m are dead

I think something insomnia said rubbed me the wrong way(?)

~ Pichu

Would scum ank do this?

probably

i would never clear a slot that has high scum equity for a lolhammer

[Old Dogs]

so you guys are explicitly still attempting to lynch groupscum, yes?

i dont really have any strong leaning on what the right play is considering we've only had vanilla flips and only 1 indication of power, we dont even know what the mystery box of silver can possibly be since no one is taking mastina's claim seriously

i like... want to lynch groupscum and think we can identify them but this town lacks any sort of cohesion so i dont really know where to begin besides trying to let people play so we can get town to actually find each other like we were supposed to day 2

katy, as a general hint for how I think in mafia games

if I think the scumreads on me are ridiculous, I will act blatantly scummy and anti-town on purpose for no other reason than to make fun of it

~ Pichu

i mean okay but you can hide behind that as scum, if i knew you better i'd probably be able to tell the difference but for now literally the 3 of us agree there has to be at least 1 scum in us and i think i can very clearly show it's not me

[Old Dogs]

no the mystery box is usually something related to a hidden pt, sometimes picked by scum

i think the 3 non-slots are all 3p and probably are related to power roles but i dont really have anything to prove that besides mastina hardclaiming today what exactly happened and if she lied about anything what it was and why. im also not sure if that means toog and zeebu cant be 3p if that's correct

pedit: wig

pedit:

lmao i misread - rhinox is basically just clear for who voted him

pisskop thinks toog has an incompatible wincon with town but is 3p. i dont think you can actually have a read like that

people who pushed 3ps are generally scummy and his claim was not from groupscum

[Old Dogs]

I remember at least 2-3 slots having scumleans on me too?

~ Pichu

i called you possible but unlikely scum

[Old Dogs]

Or target us with any other unimportant non-killing actions, it will allow us to take our very useful new night action

Hammering before Chick gets to post at all is annoying but also potentially pro town I guess

did anything happen with this then?

[Old Dogs]

i mean i guess rhinox could be distanced or whatever but i really feel like scum are trying their hardest to not bus, and im assuming thats because of either absurdly small or large numbers, with honestly 3 or 4 scum hits the criteria for both :/

i have played 2 games with pisskop and i thought he shat town in both as town - i have no reason to think he's town this game :/

hes not playing like in the one scum game i followed but that was a multiball game and that team was like committed to open wolf svsing which was probably going to win them the game if it werent for panzer so it's probably not relevant

[Old Dogs]

survivor wincon is "anti town" the same way town self voting is anti town

it's not a scum wincon though, i interpreted pisskop saying it's a sk wincon which i dont think makes sense here

[Old Dogs]

i cant honestly townread rhinox off play, no. im desperate enough for townreads i'll take whatever i can get and i feel like his slot has more town equity than like, anyone else besides who i mentioned

if the scumteam is small for the playercount bussing means losing faster. if the scumteam is large for the playercount bussing means not winning faster. with the amount of third party i think tactically speaking scum are going to try to avoid having to bus and will prefer to bloc with each other or just not let anyone organize unless it's on a ml

in the offsite game i linked that was basically the gamestate my team worked to enforce because we had an extra night kill we were saving for lylo to instantly win. i distanced from one buddy but it was really toeing a line because if he actually got lynched the game became a shitton harder.

like, i *guess* rhinox could be distanced from if we're both town? but right now i'd rather find the distancer and have a reason to townread him off play or scumread him

[Old Dogs]

for the record if creature keeps avoiding the game we're following insomnia and lynching him

[Old Dogs]

You're describing a nullread, and then calling it clear. What am I missing?

it's a townread that isn't based off of play?

if insomnia didnt object to him being wagonned i think he could have been chickadee's cw

[Old Dogs]

Right
and chickadee was town
rhinox was the counterwagon to town
why isn't that scum indicative for rhinox?

chickadee was also a cw to town? and fmpov the people who arent 3p claims who voted chickadee are people who were pushing rhinox...?

based on the fact that people are open to scumreading me now i dont think scum feel that they *need* to distance so i dont see why they do in this gamestate

[Old Dogs]

the fake AF insomnia flip gave it away

??

Insomnia shat town what

[Old Dogs]

I mean so have i im woating this game because this is how badly i play without stable townreads

[Old Dogs]

Lets kill what and take 2 asprin. Then come back to this in the morning.

Why would we ever kill wh4t over creature when hes playing his scum meta hard

[Old Dogs]

And i want to use as much of this day as possible

[Old Dogs]

Im also really skeptical 1130 is town bc that would mean scum were off the second chickadee wagon entirely

Pedit: yes creature is. Idr how long it’s been since u last played with creature but w his new meta you townread him way too prematurely

[Old Dogs]

Zzzx was also fairly close to scum meta but ive only played with town him

[Old Dogs]

I figured, and i think his contenty post was just objectively scummy but meta confirmation makes me feel fairly confident creature just repped into a scum slot

[Old Dogs]

I was speaking in the context of yvg being town

Initially though i did believe that bc of skitter/zzzx interactions but ank’s lolhammer gives me pause. It’s possible you’re both scum ig

Pedit: thats what im wondering

[Old Dogs]

knowing who wh4t is (i dont know if pisskop knows who she is but if he does he's well within his rights to scumread her here) she absolutely can be scum

but if the objective is to hit groupscum i think we always lynch creature EOD - the important thing really is just sorting the town that isnt active. i think lynching 1130/yvg/OD is just an objectively bad play because i feel like if mastina doesnt have clears on me and ank then we're probably going to lynch the one other townie if one of you is town and one of you is scum. im fairly confident i wont get mislynched unless it's lylo and scum hardpush me since im usually not a mislynchable slot, so either 1130 is town and scum push there or people focus on ank's lolhammer and she's town

i might actually want mastina's thoughts on ank and maybe an example of a scumgame where she just clearly didnt care and open wolfed like this

[Old Dogs]

anyway im probably gonna stop posting for the (rl) day

next time im online i want creature to make game advancing content

[Old Dogs]

11:30 can effectively be BoP'd as scum at this point. Any resistance should be noted.

i agree theyre likely scum and skitter's reads have been uncharacteristically bad but im far far more confident in creature first

where are you with him?

[Old Dogs]

also i townread wh4t again

[Old Dogs]

-This is creature's "meta" in general, and I've never seen it to be NAI.

bwuh

i

i've literally never misread creature before i think my read here is a lot better than yours :/

[Old Dogs]

don't you/skitter/katy/fl all have that rep

i dont but skitter and fl definitely do im im sure irrelephant does as well

i think like only 3 people really think my current towngame is like sheepable (it's not, especially not in a gamestate like this where i hate the game)

[Old Dogs]

i townread cheeky and ausuka at first lmao - i mean eventually they stopped doing anything town indicative so i retracted those reads but still

like sure my reads are probably slightly above random but im not someone who should be bop'd, ive lost a lot of games on my own accord as often as ive had correct reads

[Old Dogs]

i mean if the goal is we're lynching groupscum today we always go for creature unless he towns

[Old Dogs]

how can we solve this game?

[Old Dogs]

MOD:

I know I'm probably nearing prod range, but

24-48 hour V/LA due to sickness.

Vomited today, sick.

I'll post as soon as I can.

get well soon mastina

[Old Dogs]

i have let her known

and, like, your slot objectively has a lot of scum equity? skitter scumread insomnia and townread zzzx early game which is really pro-scum, and you guys were on both wagons when it makes sense for groupscum to be on it. saying we agree on everything and thus you should be townread is kind of disingenuous considering that our slots arent necessarily parallels in the gamestate esp considering scum can bus or manipulate their reads to match wrong town.

[Old Dogs]

if im wrong i'm wrong but either way the focus for today is on creature and nobody else, i dont have much else to do until he and mastina post content.

[Old Dogs]

3M was a strong townread for me yeah, i dont think they'd be killed for that reason (that i townread them) but they were unlikely to actually get lynched and nero + fl are players i can see people being threatened by even if ramcius is usually ml'd and roster was basically absent

btw wh4t finally for making me not feel stupid for townreading you lmao, wish d2 wasnt cut short so i could have known earlier

probably not moving to 1130 until creature posts, i'd rather get reads on the few people left alive i actually can meta before lynching an unknown i scumread if that makes sense (obviously this includes you)

[Old Dogs]

thank you for finally*

[Old Dogs]

this game is explicitly not bastard so cult is out of the question, poisoner/arsonist is unlikely IMO without some form of a clue because it doesnt really fit the setup theme/spirit of it

creature's activity is not ai, even in larges he's generally active and gamesolving at the start of the game. it's only scum him that lurks and plays uselessly, he was lynchbaity in the past because he just thinks in a weird way but at this point site meta knows who he is

the last time you played with him was in the thing, right?

otherwise i agree with your reads yeah (except wh4t in townlean and creature in scum, yvg in null. i'll probably elaborate once i post my case on the meta points on both zzzx and creature)

[Old Dogs]

*is not nai

[Old Dogs]

Way to Contradict myself!

[Old Dogs]

her push is exactly what i expect of her as town

[Old Dogs]

that wasnt meant to be a it was a : x

[Old Dogs]

there's actually conviction

[Old Dogs]

VOTE: creature

[Old Dogs]

Spoiler: hand that wig over skitter

You can split hairs all you want. You can't seriously scumread most people off wagon when the lynch was clearly scumheavy.

I won't BoP you then and just say your posts aren't solving in a way I'd expect from generic town. You questionning me being alive is super silly and opportunistic.

makes sense

Wh4t are you caught up?

-Irrel

Nope I just read people's pushes on me better than other interactions so I'm happy trying to get you lynched at this point.

makes sense and i know this of her

Wh4t are you caught up?

-Irrel

Nope I just read people's pushes on me better than other interactions so I'm happy trying to get you lynched at this point.

Did you read the post where I pointed out that I was referring to my frustration we hadn't lynched you yet, not the fact that you weren't nightkilled?

-Irrel

doesnt matter, you're still pushing on her?

Wh4t are you caught up?

-Irrel

Nope I just read people's pushes on me better than other interactions so I'm happy trying to get you lynched at this point.

Did you read the post where I pointed out that I was referring to my frustration we hadn't lynched you yet, not the fact that you weren't nightkilled?

-Irrel

Why either way it's bad. You've been active and prominent enough to have brought it to people's attention earlier without this "frustration" act.

sure

A more townie response would be more attempts to engage me rather than "why the fuck is x still alive" at SOD.

sure

A more townie response would be more attempts to engage me rather than "why the fuck is x still alive" at SOD.

I mean I posted "Hey wh4t come play this game" like three times before you entered this gameday, and other than tunneling YVG there wasn't much to your ISO I could have asked you about specifically iirc

-Irrel

Meh I don't know why you're defending yourself or trying to convince me you're town. I rather you give some substance for your read on me than anything.

sure

Your read on us is based on "Irrel's push on me is opportunistic and bad"
Your understanding of my push on you is "Irrel thinks I am scum because I wasn't nightkilled"
That wasn't the meaning of my post. So yes, your push on me is literally based on misrepresenting the things I said, as if I said something different

Not really it's the fact that youre asking why I'm dead in such a disingenuous way.

yes

Yeah I'm not playing your defense game. This isn't convincing me you're town but quite the opposite.

sure

PoE isn't a scumread of substance. Scumreading me for lurking is a policy lynch ehich you're trying to make look more than.

yea

Unfortunately I townslipped so you can believe I faked it but there's no reason to fake because I'm not under any serious pressure atm. *shakes head* either you suck or you're scum. I'll do you the favour of believing it's the latter.

i dont see her as scum saying this considering she's like, not really a scum player

pedit: besides the interaction rn when has anyone attempted to engage wh4t

[Old Dogs]

so is creature and i think creature openwolfing is a bit more reliable

[Old Dogs]

creature doesn't obvtown almost half the game after a scumflip though

~ Pichu

rephrase?

creature is like one of the easiest players in the meta to read even after his scumgame improved. people dont know how to find nuance in creature and they never were able to, that's why his meta was reduced to "he's posting he's town"

[Old Dogs]

but creature isnt even posting so i mean,

[Old Dogs]

oh, sure, but we dont know when lylo is and we dont have a single scumflip. would rather take a 100% scumflip and no info than a 90% scumflip and info

also i think there's clear zzzx/1130 associatives anyway lol

[Old Dogs]

no, it doesn't, given that it's based on something we didn't do

Yeah why tf is wh4t still alive actually

it doesnt matter what this means precisely ("why the fuck hasnt wh4t been lynched" basically means "why the fuck hasnt wh4t been nightkilled" even if one implies that wh4t should be scummy or wh4t should be townie), you can still read into the intention of it being disingenuous. and from wh4t's town pov it makes complete sense to feel that way

you're splitting hairs here and know it

pedit: yes i am aware, im worried about rhinox being on the lynch. there's still town incentive to talk here

[Old Dogs]

and the kicker is that i'm incapable of posting like this as scum

and you should know this because we talked about it

ank explain

i guess skitter too

[Old Dogs]

a) asking why someone hasn't been lynched is not at all the same thing as asking why someone hasn't been nk'd, since when are those remotely the same thing? i usually don't expect people who should be lynched to be viable nk's .... ?

theyre not the same thing, but like the point of "why is this slot not gone yet" is the same?

b) why is this disingenuous

it's not disingenuous of you to ask it's just like, it really doesnt change why wh4t would be suspect of your slot.

c) why does it make sense for wh4t to feel this way

have you put yourself in her shoes yet?

[Old Dogs]

Spoiler: conviction

Rhinox wagon was {YVG, pisskop, us}?
I guess that might be a reason to townread rhinox fypov but it's not a reason to clear him as groupscum imo. I could easily see {YVG/pisskop, Rhinox, wh4t} team for example

Yeah why tf is wh4t still alive actually

-Irrel

Help me bus him then

/s

This is beyond awful reasoning and terrible reads. We just had a obvious scum heavy wagon hence no counter and they're looking everywhere but.

11:30 can effectively be BoP'd as scum at this point. Any resistance should be noted.

Why can we be BOP'd? Neither of us have a notable reputation for scumhunting.

Ehhhh i do

Neither of you are as bad as your current PoE.

Why can we be BOP'd? Neither of us have a notable reputation for scumhunting.

Ehhhh i do

Neither of you are as bad as your current PoE.

If I have any specific reputation, I don't know what it is. It was at one point a rep for strong scumplay, but then I lost some scumgames. I have a good winrate as both alignments, but from my point of view the town winrate has more to do with more social parts of the game like building coalitions (I've won Coalition Mafia on D1 twice), sheeping the right players when I know they're strong scumhunters (e.g. RC, Shoshin), calling out bad reasoning for reads, etc.

I'm maybe also known for occasionally building strong scumcases, but iirc those are only actually on scum like 60% of the time (I've worked HARD to get townies lynched as town before, lol)
Speaking only for myself, and I'll vouch for this postgame, my impression of skitter is that she has above average reads, but occasionally tunnels town or townreads scum for personality reasons, and participates in mislynches when those things happen.

Anyway you're the first to ever suggest BoP'ing me and that just feels unfair because imo you can't. I'll back this up with meta later if you'd like. I don't know skitter's recent towngames well enough to know if you should be BoP'ing her, but our participation in chickadee's lynch was under my lead anyway

-Irrel

You can split hairs all you want. You can't seriously scumread most people off wagon when the lynch was clearly scumheavy.

I won't BoP you then and just say your posts aren't solving in a way I'd expect from generic town. You questionning me being alive is super silly and opportunistic.

Wh4t's push on us is entirely based on misrepresenting my posts.

Lies. You're lockscum my dears.

Wh4t are you caught up?

-Irrel

Nope I just read people's pushes on me better than other interactions so I'm happy trying to get you lynched at this point.

Wh4t are you caught up?

-Irrel

Nope I just read people's pushes on me better than other interactions so I'm happy trying to get you lynched at this point.

Did you read the post where I pointed out that I was referring to my frustration we hadn't lynched you yet, not the fact that you weren't nightkilled?

-Irrel

Why either way it's bad. You've been active and prominent enough to have brought it to people's attention earlier without this "frustration" act.

A more townie response would be more attempts to engage me rather than "why the fuck is x still alive" at SOD.

A more townie response would be more attempts to engage me rather than "why the fuck is x still alive" at SOD.

I mean I posted "Hey wh4t come play this game" like three times before you entered this gameday, and other than tunneling YVG there wasn't much to your ISO I could have asked you about specifically iirc

-Irrel

Meh I don't know why you're defending yourself or trying to convince me you're town. I rather you give some substance for your read on me than anything.

Your read on us is based on "Irrel's push on me is opportunistic and bad"
Your understanding of my push on you is "Irrel thinks I am scum because I wasn't nightkilled"
That wasn't the meaning of my post. So yes, your push on me is literally based on misrepresenting the things I said, as if I said something different

Not really it's the fact that youre asking why I'm dead in such a disingenuous way.

Yeah I'm not playing your defense game. This isn't convincing me you're town but quite the opposite.

PoE isn't a scumread of substance. Scumreading me for lurking is a policy lynch ehich you're trying to make look more than.

It's rather easy fof me to go if xyz are town then abc are scum blahblah.

I mean tonewise I just don't believe you.

Unfortunately I townslipped so you can believe I faked it but there's no reason to fake because I'm not under any serious pressure atm. *shakes head* either you suck or you're scum. I'll do you the favour of believing it's the latter.

pedit:

you're aggressive...? and what are you faking here i feel like everything we're talking about is fairly objective

[Old Dogs]

oh cool zzzx is prob town

VOTE: old dogs

after a post like 147

i think my little bandwagon had scum on it anyway

[Old Dogs]

Your read on us is based on "Irrel's push on me is opportunistic and bad"
Your understanding of my push on you is "Irrel thinks I am scum because I wasn't nightkilled"
That wasn't the meaning of my post. So yes, your push on me is literally based on misrepresenting the things I said, as if I said something different

Not really it's the fact that youre asking why I'm dead in such a disingenuous way.

this is what i mean skitter. the *meaning* of the post doesn't matter, it's the *intention* behind it. does that make it a bit more clear? like, regardless of whether irrel meant that she's so townie she should be dead, or so scummy that she should be dead, she scumread the way irrelephant brought it up and its intention

[Old Dogs]

the disingenuousness comes from the fact that wh4t outright said the above

i am saying that i dont sense aggression from you that you say you can't fake, and none of the questions here feel like they would be hard for scum to answer and that from a scum pov are easy to at least ask

[Old Dogs]

why is the way he brought it up scummy or disingenuous

ask wh4t not me at this point, it's her read and im explaining what i can see

as far as i can tell the read looks coherent and i already explained why. i dont think the distinction matters because ultimately it's why it's being brought up that has pinged her, the question sure changes but it then just becomes "why should my slot be lynched now over someone who was on the wagon" instead, the push im pretty sure happens anyway

the disingenuousness comes from the fact that wh4t outright said the above

i am saying that i dont sense aggression from you that you say you can't fake, and none of the questions here feel like they would be hard for scum to answer and that from a scum pov are easy to at least ask

nope, i'm v out of my scumrange here!

would not be able to have this convo as scum, would not be able to follow up like this as scum, would not be as ~frustrated.determined~ as scum (the second bit as a response to the last bit is what i mean by aggressive)

im aware of neither your current scum or townrange to be honest, but giving you the benefit of the doubt here still says the play today is still creature today, your slot or ank tomorrow? we can talk about you and ank then i think

i dont think all 3 of us being town is plausible because that makes most of the wagons pushed by town and would probably mean voted!scum and irrelephant gave meta reasons for him to be town here which i'll put faith in

[Old Dogs]

mastina did you fruit us?
~ Pichu

Mayyyyyybe...

alright mastina should claim if she's loyal then?

I think that this would be a bad idea?

okay w/e

i mean if you could help sort the me/yay/1130 dilemma that would help and thats what you being loyal would ultimately do

[Old Dogs]

(The actual surprise kill was insomnia; didn't see that one coming.)

wig

uh who were you expecting then bc i was fully expecting insomnia but hoping for myself

[Old Dogs]

{us, Old Dogs, YVG, zeebu, toogeloo} on both wagons

And with that grouping I'd say absolute maximum of one scum in that group with a very definitive chance of it being none; scum are in the players not on both wagons: {pisskop, Rhinox, Creature, Wh4t} contains 2-3 scum like 90+% guaranteed here.

let's say it's 1130/pisskop/creature? thats the team im sort of thinking if we lock down a team but Eh i only really see creature and 1130 and only the former is super confident

if it's wh4t then Wow im like actually bad at reading her, but then 1130 is locktowned (hhhhh)
if it's rhinox i mean im not surprised but i think he would be bussed anyway

[Old Dogs]

it wouldn't be so much scum letting it happen as town making it happen and scum doing nothing about it tbh. insomnia hard pushed the chickadee lynch, which voted and i jumped on, then once survivors + 1130 voted ank lolhammered

what would scum 1130 be doing here? scum ank? like i feel like they'd have to go with the flow because theyre active posters

i agree on max 1 though esp with associatives

pedit: i mean yeah i agree mastina, let's get creature

[Old Dogs]

i mean it's what ive been pushing for - look at my vote

i know you think im like hard scumreading you and 100% sure you're scum but im really not?

[Old Dogs]

i mean you
a) are saying we should be lynched after creature
b) called me 90% scum
c) have been tunneled on me since ... p4 i think it was

i mean yeah but 90% scum for me is really like 10% scum by normal people standards

im like never certain about my reads and it's why i let things like the chickadee ml happen. ive been persuaded to go against meta reads on people ive never been wrong on too. i dont tunnel, i just havent had a reason to townread your slot that would be appreciable to myself. if i were tunneling i would have never voted anywhere but your slot, and i dont tunnel players i know i cant read.

[Old Dogs]

i would have a much harder time justifying myself townreading wh4t this strongly if she were scum with me here i think considering most if it is meta and knowing how people usually interact with her

i'd jokingly say im out of my scumrange but at this point idfk

if mastina says im townreading wh4t for bad reasons i'll give it a second thought bc i really would rather have a 3rd opinion before i reconsider and i think(??) i trust her here to read wh4t.

That was a shitload of town power that game; this game we've got only my role and while I think my role's useful it aint gamebreakingly strong. It helps, but it can't be all we've got.

this isn't true and i want you to confirm that your role changed again day2

because uhhhh how many roles are going out each day ??? our role changed day2

I Cant Believe Mastina Missed a Claim!

it's probably like 1 role gets assigned a day and it upgrades over time

[Old Dogs]

like i replaced into a game with wh4t before and hard defended her while she got into an argument with someone v similar to this one

that person was town and got ml'd later in the game but still, i think town!wh4t is going to be recognizable nearly without a doubt

We had previously been vt but it changed, like mastina claimed happened to her

My changes happened mid-day on both D1 and D2 tho.

My guess, different sources.

To be honest it wouldn't surprise me if scum are the ones gifting to me and you got a gift from either 3p or town.

Could be vice-versa of course.

I'm like 98% sure your gift and my gifts originate from different sources; I'm only about 50% sure they're different alignments (could both be town, but different town; could both be 3p, but different 3p; could be town and 3p; could be scum and town; could be scum and 3p; none of these are more likely to me than the other) and 0% sure which alignment is which. The only thing I'm pretty sure of is that your gift and my gifts aren't

both

from the scumteam since I don't think schadd forces scum to gift out two different types of gifts with different mechanics.

actually i guess 1130 getting a pr is a good reason to not lynch them tomorrow assuming we hit creature!scum today. mastina can you target 1130 or is there a really bad reason not to, considering they said they needed to be targetted?

pedit: she just said people off wagon and at the point she's reading she's i was also scumreading wh4t

[Old Dogs]

skitter have you seen/played in any of the past MBoS games?

[Old Dogs]

oh huh okay

im pretty sure mastina just thinks scum gave her hers because of mbos mechanics but then again yeah it would be weird of her to assume it's from different people

[Old Dogs]

wait yeah you're right

ive only read #4 but actually they were told that scum gave them, that just refreshed my memory

interesting

[Old Dogs]

also the really long thread lock at daystart makes me think that ~something~ happened there (maybe with the 3 non-posters, maybe with giving out roles, idk)

i literally keep forgetting to mention this sadjf;oklad;asdj;flkajdsf;l but it stressed me out SO much both times lmao

the second one was like, significantly longer than the first? and EP had replaced in?

Gamma, when he's online, is generally more active than her sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo there might be a circumstantial connection here

[Old Dogs]

mastina do you really think creature is not playing to his scum meta here

like... he's been online in the past 2 days and isnt posting here

he willingly replaced into the game and has done absolutely nothing? surely?

[Old Dogs]

okay.

so now we can focus on creature

if you're town you really REALLY need to do something here and we all know you're capable of it if you are.

[Old Dogs]

also another point that makes wh4t the worse wagon than creature is that rhinox and pisskop are both on her, if you're saying all three of us are town then obviously wh4t is unlikelier to be scum than creature

[Old Dogs]

fine
VOTE: creature
i would like to reiterate for the record that i do not believe that wh4t is town

We can visit that tomorrow. Creature today, we figure out which of {Rhinox, Wh4t, pisskop} we want lynched tomorrow.

i mean obviously my pick rn is pisskop, i think rhinox's look at the votecounts from today was worthy of saying he goes before piss and i still think this is town wh4t and am a bit *more* confident than the time i was wrong on her but not confident enough to locktown her

i think we're basically on the same page in that it's either all 3 in there or 2 and 1130 is the third. i think ank's posting today is fairly townie? but i dont know her that well. voted i think consensus townreads are correct in this gamestate so im not touching that

i guess i would say piss < wh4t < rhinox after creature would be my order. like i personally think 1130 is the third is the more probable situation but am 100% willing to admit i could be wrong here

[Old Dogs]

and hasn't creatures meta changed?

yes, in the sense he no longer lurks out as scum 90% of the time, now it's more like 30%

viewtopic.php?p=11010091#p11010091

literally pulled the same shit this game as he is here, he's actively avoiding the game despite willingly replacing into it.

Yeah Creature is too confrontational to be scum.

hello??????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[Old Dogs]

Pisskop probably 3p. I agree it's unlikely town.

hhhhh???????? wh

hes been in the game the whole time, why would he not out when that's demonstrated the correct play D1 because we're not considering toog at all anymore after their claim

if he's not town he's groupscum

[Old Dogs]

okay but the difference is im picking the lynch and there's an actual tangle reason besides the cfd that was d1 and insomnia's pet read d2

[Old Dogs]

tangible*

[Old Dogs]

and 1130 is a mechanically bad lynch today because given the mbos we should probably be testing her claim even if she's scum

Are you surprised he's avoiding it? Seems like scum are leading lunches here.

Explain dogs. I have no idea what's going on so I need some elaboration.

flips show that town are leading lynches and survivors are following, at best 1-2 groupscum too

d1 chickadee wagon is 3/4 flipped town, voted is a consensus townread and was the last on the wagon.

the only people that are on both wagons were {1130/my slot/yay}, and i think there is absolutely no case to say that the interactions here are tvsvs or svsvs. thus we should be looking off wagon even if 1130 is scum (which is extremely likely if i am right and you're town)

creature, if he's avoiding the game as town because he doesnt want to play in it (??? why replace in and do nothing ???), will be self evident once he gets prodded. creature is objectively one of the easiest players to read if you actually are looking for the nuance in his posts.

[Old Dogs]

like 1130/old dogs is a batshit read

1130/yay is even worse

yay/old dogs i guess is plausible but i know it's not the case

Oh ffs what did they claim?

that they received something due to mbos mechanics, just like mastina did and yay and i have verified (we have been loud fruit vendor'd by her despite her claiming VT at the start of the game). they apparently need to be targeted by something, so the logical thing to do here is have mastina do it and she has verified she will

1130, as much scum equity as they have, is not the lynch today

Sorry but wagonomics say that's incorrect. No real counters say scumheavy. I'll VCA later have to get ready for work but yeah no. On wagon.

insomnia was nightkilled and flipped town
zeebu and toog are obviously trueclaiming 3p (well, zeebu is fakeclaiming, but ras claimed)
i know i'm town
yay is not scum with 1130

so really the only real options here are yay and 1130 if you want on wagon, both are unviable lynches and the former is unlikely to hit scum

i think it's different because there's 2 or more 3p who are just going to vote the big wagon to survive...

[Old Dogs]

like whatever happened to "on wagon kill = off wagon scum"

[Old Dogs]

Vorkuta

(8): ElevenThirty, YAYVIDEOGAMES, Old Dogs,

Toogeloo

,

Chickadee

, pisskop,

zeebu

, Rhinox

Chickadee

(4):

The Three Musketeers

,

insomnia

,

Vorkuta

, Voted
Voted (1): ZZZX

The Three Musketeers

(1): Wh4t

not voting (1): mastina

Chickadee

(7): Old Dogs,

insomnia

, Voted,

Toogeloo

, ElevenThirty,

zeebu

, YAYVIDEOGAMES
Rhinox (1): pisskop
YAYVIDEOGAMES (1): Wh4t

not voting (4): mastina, Chickadee, Rhinox, Creature

like this doesnt particularly persuade me that chickadee is a scum driven wagon considering the d1 composition

[Old Dogs]

given the choice when having the knowledge that they dont need to be voting on mislynches, scum are going to *want* to be off wagon

[Old Dogs]

i feel like chickadee flipping town here should have been sufficient evidence that "common-sense vca" isnt really going to help here considering that's why titus voted her for our slot

[Old Dogs]

and ime anyway derpy speed mislynches are usually town driven in larger games

[Old Dogs]

i mean if it helps i dont think wh4t's right about like anything theyre pushing right now

like saying zeebu is scum is... kind of a meme... as is outright ignoring my point that transition pointed out is coming from insomnia specifically asking 3p to vote with him - it's really a point to make your slot scum and shes trying to do more with it

i really think for sanity's sake we just need to keep the eye on the prize and kill creature today. when he flips scum maybe wh4t reevaluates

[Old Dogs]

it's really at best only a point ot make your slot scum*

as in you're the non voted/3p slot to vote on, so "wagon speed is AI" would mean you guys are scum

[Old Dogs]

probabilitywise it's unlikely you're both town so your reaction here is fair as well

[Old Dogs]

i mean wh4t/1130 tvt would mean, what? rhinox scum? being wrong on one of mastina/voted? ank deepwolfing

i think rhinox scum is way more likely than any of those but wh4t is more likely scum than rhinox

[Old Dogs]

again im conceding "old dogs is just bad at reading wh4t and is looking at a false positive in terms of towniness" is a very real possibility but im not going to work too hard to address it when someone i actually am good at reading is actively not doing anything in a gamestate where they generally shine

[Old Dogs]

Obviously in a vacuum the latter but this is creature we’re talking about

It’s kind of his thing that hes... distinctively different... as either alignment

[Old Dogs]

i guess it's only fair i write out a huge essay explaining creature meta at some point for like you voted and toog

[Old Dogs]

i dont even think you're the leading wagon anymore because im actively trying to move pressure off of you

the play today is always creature... and yes 1130 is scum from your pov like 90% of the time, they still have to bus creature if he's scum to maintain their credibility so i mean

Omg why haven't we lynched Wh4t is the stupidest thing someone could say after being on two mislynch wagons which says they participated in the previous wagons.
OMGUSing me was the only thing that had any real tone the rest is defensive bullshit and their solve stinks like ass.
Sure my solving is messy but I'm hacksawing trying to come up with something to say hey look this sucks I'm 90 pages behind.
THERE IS A REASON YOU ALL ARE LYNCHING LYNCH BAIT SLOTS EVERYDAY (assuming I'm lynched too because I was lurking when the push started).

you have like 1 vote on you

i agree irrelephant's post was bad, but theyre not the lynch today

i actually am good at reading

Yeah no.

this is scum creature, i dont care if you want to discredit me. i didnt lead on any of the wagons, vorkuta was a compromise while i was pushing 1130 and chickadee was titus's pick because of the counterwagon situation

can you like acknowledge my argument that the wagons are the way they are because there's 2 survivors? scum are going to try to be off wagon if they know they can get free votes on mislynches

[Old Dogs]

like i had to pull teeth to get this iso lynched lol: viewtopic.php?p=8683233&user_select%5B% ... 4#p8683233

and creature did the same thing he's doing here in zaph's micro that i just linked as he is here

the *only* way he's town here is if he replaced into a game he wasnt going to play, and we'll see that if he changes his mind about that after being pressured

[Old Dogs]

omg no im not stupid

Yeah why tf is wh4t still alive actually

like

i think this is just a Bad Post in general, it's not scummy it's just not good...

[Old Dogs]

also rereading bee movie mafia is like Yikes but still

[Old Dogs]

You scumread Wh4t at the time of my post - what is bad about me saying Wh4t should have been lynched there?

it just feels gross? idk how else to explain it but the reaction wh4t had makes sense from either align's pov - i just think she doesnt push like this if she's scum but like she's pushing a likely scum-with-creature agenda and i could be wrong about how im approaching her so i mean

[Old Dogs]

ftr if i can be hyperactive as scum i will even if it's not necessary

i enjoy playing scum contrary to popular opinion, most of the time im not super active is because doing so would actively hurt my wincon (ie, someone like raybells who would A: instantly recognize im scum and b: instantly read my associatives correctly, is playing the game) or because i just cant do anything irl (which is thankfully no longer a concern because of medication but still, that was true a lot of the time in the past)

if i recall correctly ank is not the same though?

[Old Dogs]

yeah i get that and that's fair

just wanted to get that out there though

[Old Dogs]

not to be rude if there's some RL reason but is titus just uninterested in talking to me? :/

-Irrel

titus has just genuinely been offline of discord, i pinged her at like 11:30 (lol) am on tuesday that u wanted to talk so connect that to whenever u asked

[Old Dogs]

uh 11:30 est

[Old Dogs]

okay after reading that iso i concede that i am not good at reading wh4t and that everything i assumed was town indicative of her is personality that was just absent the last time i saw her flip scum

wig

[Old Dogs]

probably because most of the time scum creature is caught scum just bus him. i think raybells in gameshow was like the only time ive seen scum creature be defended

wh4t might be our flailer here

[Old Dogs]

insomnia and i had the same reads though? :/

[Old Dogs]

after careful consideration and blitzing the powers within my third eye,

i have decided that yay and 1130 are both locktown




thank you for your consideration

Im going to make a secret hydra.

pisskop and fuscosco.

copier

[Old Dogs]

I havent read since I last posted my apology. Wh4t is town?

wh4t is probably not town but creature is definitely scum

it's like taking a 90% chance over a 70% chance

[Old Dogs]

i think ank's interactions with me yesterday comes from a town mindset even if misguided

i think everything pikachu said this entire game is townie

i considered my own past games and have decided that ive only ever really felt the way your slot does as town. even when im pissed scum it's different. my soul has been searched

pedit: 1130 under normal circumstances would probably not be endgaming scum until i declared them town so uh

[Old Dogs]

i considered my own past games and have decided that ive only ever really felt the way your slot does as town. even when im pissed scum it's different. my soul has been searched

this is @ and about 1130

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I too feel that I am also town.

that causes like, a lot of problems. but im hoping town power resolves that at this point, like it's going to be 3 nights after creature lynch so

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I can be wrong about relly. I'm fine with creature going today lol

Would also lynch whatever is in the ras slot

Of you're groupscum you're on track to endgame tho so it's worthwhile poking you a bit it I'm pretty sure the usevalue of the push is already gone

*shrug*

-pikachu

i think that if neither you nor ank can point to the thing that you apparently caught irrel doing that made you think he's scum that this reasoning was made up

in their defense i forget specifics a lot when i make reads unless i take note of them, when i write cases i usually have to look at isos and remind myself how i felt about something <:/

and im not sure i really would want to go through any of the three of our isos

i considered my own past games and have decided that ive only ever really felt the way your slot does as town. even when im pissed scum it's different. my soul has been searched

this is @ and about 1130

i'm not sure what you're trying to say, sorry

why im locktowning you guys

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Doggos, I'm not sure I agree with locktowning 11:30 here but I'm fine with them not being today's lynch

-Pikachu

No im pretty sure

I have faith in the chakras

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how can we solve this game?

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vla until Sunday afternoon

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I think pisskop is just trying to string together narratives.

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I'm really uninspired to play on this site.

Oh guess you all are just gonna mislynch once again

Can u get some inspiration to play so we dont mislynch you

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Uh

Please tell me this wasnt secretly lylo bc idk why else you’d hammer here :/

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last thoughts

rhinox and mastina are town regardless of this flip
I think 1130 probably is as well

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VOTE: Creature

This should be one outed scum to lynch tomorrow.

If you’re town obviously yeah :/

Would have been nice to get the thoughts i wanted to pressure out of u but w/e

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i mean u replaced into the game so like i'd assume you'd want to play to your wincon