In post 2313, YAYVIDEOGAMES wrote:there's a fundamental mindset shift between your play today and even the earlier days, and I legitimately don't understand how exactly I'm supposed to reconcile this in any way other than it's just a scum mindset considering I've seen this "no your reason for townreading X is not valid because this OTHER reason X is not town exists" when there's no direct correlation multiple times today???
Because I'm trying to sort you and Old Dogs at the same time
Notice I've come around on Rhinox - the point was never me wanting everyone to scumread Rhinox (though a little bit I was trying to have care for my hydra partner's rhinox read), it was about how Old Dogs got to such a strong read on Rhinox when Rhinox had barely played off a single point of vca I didn't agree with at the time
I am trying very carefully to push Wh4t as scum while not derailing the Creature lynch because we all agree Creature is scum and if Mastina is right about us three being 2 or 3 town then I don't need my scumread pushed first but I am interrogating you and Old Dogs on your wh4t reads because I honestly feel like any rational person would be scumreading Wh4t right now and your refusals to do so feel TMI and forcing you to give deeper reasoning shows me whether it's TMI from or a bad read from town or s/s or maybe I'm the one with a bad read
I'm definitely playing this game harder than I was D1 (when I was too busy to even keep up with the thread) or D2 (when I felt dicouraged by how we were a consensus scumlean and I was struggling to get strong reads so I sheeped Insomnia onto someone who wasn't super towny) - so is Wh4t and mastina, and you're townreading them for it, so I don't know what else to say here???
I can't argue with you about whether or not skitter matches her play in games I wasn't in but my play is markedly different in every game I play because I'm a very social player. When Shoshin's around I read her, sheep her, and lift her up as town leader because she scumhunts better than me. When I'm occasionally town leader I try to coalition build so scum doesn't have room to mislynch. When I'm in a game with Keyser or Nauci or Skitter and I become reasonably sure they're town I talk things out with them
This game I've felt continually attacked with little reasoning (I mean duh I guess it's hard to provide hard reasoning on scumreading town but whatever that's an aside) and discredited by the players who have towncred and it has been incredibly hard to reach out to anyone regarding any of my reads because I get shouted down as scum because "this isn't town you! Thus sayeth I, with no evidence!" and I would be shocked if you and Old Dogs were both scum but you're both doing it and my other townreads are hardly playing so it's not like I can reach out to them to get something good going!
Wh4t reminds me of Jingle in 8ball, when suddenly the things he was saying made so little sense that it just clicked - "oh, duh, the reason I can't wrap my brain around this slot is because our wincons are incompatible". It also reminds me of the D1 lynch in Port Arthur, when it was just so obvious. But for some reason everyone just AGREES with the person make the bullcrap push, and that leaves me feeling so disconnected from the gamestate I feel absolutely lost. I am repeatedly reaching out to the active players about this because why? why am I feeling so completely adrift? Why don't I feel like anyone who's PLAYING this game is on my team? Perhaps it's because that's the case; maybe my entire team is lurking and scum is {old dogs, yvg, pisskop} or something, but my general rule about how deepwolfs work is that that's incredibly unlikely, so I keep trying to connect with you, trying to see things from your point of view and work with you and old dogs, and you keep giving me crap platitudes about "this isn't the town!you I've seen before" and "I'm townreading that slot for this one single reason that ignores the context of the rest of their play and you're scummy for suggesting that that might make it a bad read"
If you're trying to get me to ragequit I'm close to feeling that way but I won't; I will continue to try to find town. If you're town I will figure that out. But it is SO INSANELY difficult to try to influence the general PoE when everyone just refuses to consider!!! that we might be town!!!!!! with a good read on Wh4t who has done nothing towny unless you think we're scum and she's tunneling scum!
-Irrel
