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nomnomnom · Post Post #1048 (isolation #0) » Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:00 am

what kind of game did I just replace in lmao

nomnomnom · Post Post #1049 (isolation #1) » Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:01 am

In post 1045, Alchemist21 wrote:Imagine being able to commute and still getting killed N1.

Niko's flip and that fact just go my brain go boom

nomnomnom · Post Post #1052 (isolation #2) » Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:03 am

Also I'm going to be honest this game has a lot of people that are complete ??? in my mind aside from a few people where I have *some* idea of what's happening with them.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1053 (isolation #3) » Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:04 am

It doesn't help that the biggest movements were on my slot then completely shifted to Niko when he started posting dumb stuff, so yeah. This game is oddly short to catch up on for a normal.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1054 (isolation #4) » Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:05 am

for a large*

nomnomnom · Post Post #1055 (isolation #5) » Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:06 am

Also waiting for Kirari's result before doing anything today.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1060 (isolation #6) » Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:41 am

In post 1059, Eyes without a face wrote:
In post 1044, Not Known 15 wrote:Creature has been killed.
GOOD shot.

VOTE: Eyes

nomnomnom · Post Post #1063 (isolation #7) » Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:47 am

In post 1062, Eyes without a face wrote:Look what happened to Niko.

He acted like an idiot and got lynched for it, yes.
What's the relevance with this?

nomnomnom · Post Post #1067 (isolation #8) » Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:57 am

In post 1066, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 1055, nomnomnom wrote:Also waiting for Kirari's result before doing anything today.
Why would you be waiting for a motion detect result?

Because you said you would be using it today.

What's your result?

nomnomnom · Post Post #1074 (isolation #9) » Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:01 am

In post 1073, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 1067, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1066, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 1055, nomnomnom wrote:Also waiting for Kirari's result before doing anything today.
Why would you be waiting for a motion detect result?
Because you said you would be using it today.

What's your result?
Yeah but it's motion detector and my claim was in RVS asking scum to shoot me. I'm not even babysitter I was just hoping to die early lol.

So you're not going to claim anything?

Sigh.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1076 (isolation #10) » Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:04 am

In post 1075, Kirari Momobami wrote:VOTE: vork.

Literally just guessing who wouldn't submit a commute for creature, let me know if you disagree

I don't get this line of reasoning.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1079 (isolation #11) » Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:11 am

What makes you think Creature flaked exactly?

nomnomnom · Post Post #1081 (isolation #12) » Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:19 am

but

like

nomnomnom · Post Post #1085 (isolation #13) » Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:34 am

I see a few reasons for that but I'm not sure where this leads us in terms of reads.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1089 (isolation #14) » Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:04 am

In post 1086, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 1052, nomnomnom wrote:Also I'm going to be honest this game has a lot of people that are complete ??? in my mind aside from a few people where I have *some* idea of what's happening with them.
Who are the people you have some idea on?

Huh honestly the only person I am sure is town is Kublai. Just town through and through.

There's too much lurking and questionable stuff happening this game on too many fronts to make solid reads. 44 pages on day 1 in a large and most of it is a guy going lolrandomxd. That's bad to build reads.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1094 (isolation #15) » Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:27 am

In post 1093, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 1060, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1059, Eyes without a face wrote:
In post 1044, Not Known 15 wrote:Creature has been killed.
GOOD shot.
VOTE: Eyes
Another question for you, why did you think this was a scum post from Eyes?

Tone reads scum and there are some things I want to explore by voting this slot so I can make up my mind about it.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1118 (isolation #16) » Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:44 am

In post 90, Montosh wrote:Also all these people are town except Creature. He hasn't posted and is therefore confscum.

I have to admit, THAT is a pretty stellar quote lol

nomnomnom · Post Post #1126 (isolation #17) » Fri Jun 28, 2019 3:48 am

In post 1125, Jesus Louisus wrote:
In post 637, Jesus Louisus wrote:
In post 636, DeasVail wrote:I meant to go into this more “guns blazing!” than I have so far and I’m sorry about that. Things have been busier than expected today but I expect I’ll be all caught up soon.
Are you saying you have a gun?
He put the word gun in quotes. Maybe it was a claim. I don't think he does it like this if he were a cop though.

PGO, maybe it was a bait. That could explain the 2 kills.

PGO isn't normal

nomnomnom · Post Post #1128 (isolation #18) » Fri Jun 28, 2019 3:58 am

In post 1127, Jesus Louisus wrote:What about a crumb for a fake Miller claim down the line?

I don't get where you're going with this.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1130 (isolation #19) » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:00 am

imo you're reading too much into it, literally would not have thought that ever

nomnomnom · Post Post #1133 (isolation #20) » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:10 am

In post 1131, Jesus Louisus wrote:
In post 1130, nomnomnom wrote:imo you're reading too much into it, literally would not have thought that ever
Are you just trying to discredit my theory because you share a scum PT with him and this is thwarting your plans?

what a great deduction
nominating this for moment of brilliance

not

nomnomnom · Post Post #1134 (isolation #21) » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:11 am

for real though where *are* you going with this dude

nomnomnom · Post Post #1137 (isolation #22) » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:23 am

illuminarti

nomnomnom · Post Post #1158 (isolation #23) » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:16 am

hm...

VOTE: jesus

nomnomnom · Post Post #1165 (isolation #24) » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:32 am

In post 1164, Jesus Louisus wrote:Current read on nom is leaning scum.

oh so you weren't shitposting

nomnomnom · Post Post #1168 (isolation #25) » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:07 am

In post 1167, Jesus Louisus wrote:
In post 1166, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 1164, Jesus Louisus wrote:Current read on nom is leaning scum.
Why?
I wasn't very fond of the HWS slot to begin with.

Except I'm not HWS

nomnomnom · Post Post #1170 (isolation #26) » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:53 am

Honestly

I think you don't truly believe your read on me

In post 1167, Jesus Louisus wrote:
In post 1166, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 1164, Jesus Louisus wrote:Current read on nom is leaning scum.
Why?
I wasn't very fond of the HWS slot to begin with.

This post kinda implies you have another reason and honestly I still have 1131 but I think you realized midway it was atrocious so you're backtracking on this reason to scumlean me.

I think you don't believe what you're saying and that's scummy.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1171 (isolation #27) » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:54 am

in fact you don't believe it, so much you still haven't placed a vote today, I think you're just bullshitting

nomnomnom · Post Post #1172 (isolation #28) » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:56 am

I think you're not scumhunting at all, you've been trying to fish things out of people and clearly reaching. None of what you've been doing is actually scumhunting and the small tidbit you've been doing is surface level.

So I think you're scum.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1176 (isolation #29) » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:23 am

In post 1174, Kirari Momobami wrote:@nomnom what do you think of vork and red?

Red is odd sounding. Not even because he's not a native speaker, just odd posts.
I could see myself voting there today.

Vork? Eeeeh. No idea.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1177 (isolation #30) » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:23 am

I just think Jesus has a good chance flipping scum now though.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1180 (isolation #31) » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:45 am

In post 1179, Nero Cain wrote:kk-can you please give me your opinion about 1116

nom, how caught up are you?

I pretty much re-read the game during the nightphase.

Memory might be fleeting but I have a mental idea of how this game went.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1182 (isolation #32) » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:47 am

Full disclosure I saw this game having multiple replacements and I was hesitant to replace in the few times I saw the replacement needs being posted but I pretty much only replaced because nightphase would allow me to catch up somewhat.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1183 (isolation #33) » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:49 am

kk town
otter town
kirari townlean
red scumlean

need to re-assess eyes soon
That's about where I am. This game is hard to work in re-looking at day one

nomnomnom · Post Post #1184 (isolation #34) » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:51 am

I also have a mental note on you that you don't seem to stand out as much in this game than the others I've seen of you but different parameters and all that.

This game is a bit different and it's a bit hard to place myself here.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1186 (isolation #35) » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:57 am

In post 1118, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 90, Montosh wrote:Also all these people are town except Creature. He hasn't posted and is therefore confscum.
I have to admit, THAT is a pretty stellar quote lol

don't have much to add. I'm not sold on Montosh.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1209 (isolation #36) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:01 am

In post 1208, ofrhz wrote:ok I'm going to stop procrastinating on rereading this game

someone slap me if I don't do my homework

I refuse to indulge your kinks

nomnomnom · Post Post #1211 (isolation #37) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:16 am

Tbh the fact it's a large isn't my problem, just that many slots are hard to sort. The amount of posts this game is absurdly low for a large.
I expected to have better cases replacing in n1 and rereading the thread but I guess things are still a bit shaky.

Jesus is my only solid lead so far.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1256 (isolation #38) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:31 pm

In post 1255, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1253, ofrhz wrote:Why nom? I kinda liked her interaction with Jesus
that whole "I only have one strong scum read" just looks like scum that's keeping their options open.

Not gonna force reads I'm not confident in.
I like jesus as scum so I'm pushing that. I don't really see the problem.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1300 (isolation #39) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:42 am

In post 1291, Montosh wrote:nom:

1060 Maybe it's opportunistic but I also don't like the "Good shot" reacting to a scum death so I can't quarrel that much. Wouldn't vote for it though.
1074 Why would you have taken the RVS claim all that seriously?
1089 Do you still feel this way nom? What are your reads now? Even if it's slim and now based on much.
1118 I'd forgotten that post. The joke read is my best so far lol.
1134 I'm also quite confused. I thought the "do you have a gun" thing was a joke.
1158 Is that vote because of the interaction in your previous posts? Or do you agree with Eyes who posted before you?
1170 It's entirely reasonable for Jesus to have a scumlean on you based on his read of your slot's previous occupant. In that regard you are HWS.
1172 Fair. Jesus sucks so far (Sacrilege I know).
1176 Can you expand on how you feel about Red?
1256 Nero sucks here. And everywhere.

Gonna answer these all in one bunch.

I tend to take claims seriously especially when a bunch of players townread that slot for making the claim. In that regard I am not the only one that took it seriously, I wanted to know if we had additional information to go on, especially in a game where I replace in and I don't have a good grip on who's scum out of the gate.

I have a better grasp of the game after interacting with some people. Sorted other slots other than Kublai. Jesus scum, Otter town, Kirari town, Red scumlean, I don't buy the cases on you so I'm tempted to put you as town for now.

Eyes made some good points about Jesus and that probably influenced my vote decision, but he was in the list of people who pinged me (which is a huge list).

My feeling on Red is the same feeling I have on someone like LUV. They're not very active. The difference is that Red makes really weird posts and I am really confused by some of them. Might be scum here.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1302 (isolation #40) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:44 am

Also I am commenting about the fact I am not HWS because if people solely want to lynch me because of a slot that siteflaked and made at most 5 posts, when I am here and actively sorting, to try and push a scumread on me, I find that really suspicious and an attempt at lynching me with really bad arguments. Any player that pushes me like that enters my suspicion zone.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1303 (isolation #41) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:45 am

Speaking of the devil

nomnomnom · Post Post #1305 (isolation #42) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:49 am

In post 1304, Jesus Louisus wrote:
In post 1303, nomnomnom wrote:Speaking of the devil
Who will you scum read if I flip town?

Probably don't have to think about it since you flip scum.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1308 (isolation #43) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:55 am

I don't get it.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1310 (isolation #44) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:57 am

In post 1309, Jesus Louisus wrote:
In post 1308, nomnomnom wrote:I don't get it.
Would you be willing to just trust me?

Not really.

I just want to understand your vote.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1314 (isolation #45) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:23 am

In post 1311, Jesus Louisus wrote:
In post 1310, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1309, Jesus Louisus wrote:
In post 1308, nomnomnom wrote:I don't get it.
Would you be willing to just trust me?
Not really.

I just want to understand your vote.
What does it matter if you have me as scum.

Because it either gives me more reasons to push you if I think it's a bad reasoning
or a reason to reconsider if I think that's a good post.

Same for everything this game. Even if you were modconfirmed as scum I'd still ask you that question to try and understand why you vote there because it might indicate the person as town or scum.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1319 (isolation #46) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:31 am

omg nero has a case on montosh i better jump there before more people ask me about my eyes vote!!!1!!

nomnomnom · Post Post #1321 (isolation #47) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:34 am

I always try to reconsider people but honestly either you're not aware of how bad most of what you do is either you're preparing a comedy sketch with these posts and votes.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1324 (isolation #48) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:37 am

I am not mocking you, look at what Jesus is doing.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1326 (isolation #49) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:42 am

In post 1325, Eyes without a face wrote:Nero is town. ofrhz is town. Virkuta I think is town. Redflavor too.

Can I have your towncase on Redflavor?

nomnomnom · Post Post #1328 (isolation #50) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:45 am

In post 1327, Jesus Louisus wrote:
In post 1321, nomnomnom wrote:I always try to reconsider people but honestly either you're not aware of how bad most of what you do is either you're preparing a comedy sketch with these posts and votes.
Where would you like me to vote (besides voting myself)?

I already stated that, so I guess you're not really following the game on top of that.

I think you're just scum.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1330 (isolation #51) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:48 am

In post 1259, Not Known 15 wrote:Vote Count 2.1
Jesus Louisus(5)RedFlavor,Eyes without a face,nomnomnom,ofrhz,Kublai Khan,

nomnomnom · Post Post #1332 (isolation #52) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:50 am

In post 1331, rosterfoster wrote:Eyes is obvscum.

Can we lynch that pls?

I’m pretty sure Jesus is town.

how

just how

nomnomnom · Post Post #1334 (isolation #53) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:57 am

In post 1333, Jesus Louisus wrote:I thought I was your only lead?

Do your homework.

You're getting lynched today.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1340 (isolation #54) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:16 am

In post 1338, Jesus Louisus wrote:When I flip VT please lynch nom. You don't want this type of death tunneling going anywhere near lylo.

You only say that because I haven't unvoted you. This isn't a deathtunnel. You're the scummiest player on this table and you die today.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1359 (isolation #55) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:17 am

In post 1349, rosterfoster wrote:Btw Jesus I don’t think Nom is scum. The points they are making are different to Eyes, who is using the whole ‘everyone must act completely logically at all times’ approach.

The problem is that I feel you're using the exact opposite logic though.

"He's constantly irrational, must be town".

One of my problems is that I also have reasons to be careful about Eyes but Jesus is just scummier overall.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1361 (isolation #56) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:23 am

In post 1360, rosterfoster wrote:What has Jesus done exactly that comes from scum? I just need one post, and an explanation. Nothing more, noting less.

I’m still working on the eyes case. You’ll all come over to my side <3

The whole thing about the guns blazing is not only illogical, it feels like a reach to get a role out.

He sheeps a lot and does not elaborate one iota about his pushes and cases. He avoids questions when it comes to his posts and votes. That's also very scummy.

He also feels I am scum not only because I told him that he was reaching, but also because I voted him. And on top of that he discredits me as a death tunneller because I haven't unvoted him.

I just don't see him as town here.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1363 (isolation #57) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:37 am

here's a collection of quotes that just ping me, not detailed. I'm not good at cases but these are the posts that I read. What's in here summarizes what I said earlier

In post 1129, Jesus Louisus wrote:
In post 1128, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1127, Jesus Louisus wrote:What about a crumb for a fake Miller claim down the line?
I don't get where you're going with this.
IMO, He put the word Gun in quotes for a reason

In post 1164, Jesus Louisus wrote:
In post 1151, Eyes without a face wrote:
In post 275, Jesus Louisus wrote:
In post 203, HeWhoSwims wrote:
In post 166, rosterfoster wrote:Montosh is 100% town.
Hmm no not a fan of Montosh here. Too serious a reaction and I think Nero has a fair point in reacting to that.

Also it only took Saudade 2 pages to blow up the game, nice.

I read this and thought I had scum pt access for a sec.

VOTE: HeWhoSwims
I'll try to make my question more answerable. Your first few posts were just fluff. This nis the first one that makes some meaning. Why is this scum indicative of HWS? And what's your current read on nomnomnomnomnomnom (to an eternity)?
Current read on nom is leaning scum.

In post 1167, Jesus Louisus wrote:
In post 1166, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 1164, Jesus Louisus wrote:Current read on nom is leaning scum.
Why?
I wasn't very fond of the HWS slot to begin with.

In post 1188, Jesus Louisus wrote:
In post 1178, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 1167, Jesus Louisus wrote:
In post 1166, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 1164, Jesus Louisus wrote:Current read on nom is leaning scum.
Why?
I wasn't very fond of the HWS slot to begin with.
That is an answer, but that doesn't answer my question. What has the either HeWhoSwims or nomnomnom done to make you think that they have a scum role?

Because right now I'm siding with them in that you're evasive.
I wouldn't say I'm being evasive, I think of it more like being speculative. Is there anything wrong with that?

In post 1311, Jesus Louisus wrote:
In post 1310, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1309, Jesus Louisus wrote:
In post 1308, nomnomnom wrote:I don't get it.
Would you be willing to just trust me?
Not really.

I just want to understand your vote.
What does it matter if you have me as scum.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1366 (isolation #58) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:53 am

You're hinting at my soft spot given I have my worries about Eyes lol.

Some points in your case are good. I need to think about a few things.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1367 (isolation #59) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:54 am

You're hitting a soft spot*

nomnomnom · Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:04 am

@Roster I just have one question.

I think that 1325 feels a bit scattered yet genuine in explanation because of the unvote and the revote pedit.

Can you discuss about this post with me? Why does scum!eyes make a post like that?

nomnomnom · Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:35 am

In post 1370, rosterfoster wrote:What do you think on my defence of those posts of Jesus?

I don't think it's a stellar one.

Although I think you have some points about Eyes. I'm just pondering what lynch I prefer today.

Any ideas for Eyes partners here?

nomnomnom · Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:44 am

Why not RF?

One of your points is elaborating that you think Eyes' towncase on RF is bad, can't this be done to a scumpartner?

nomnomnom · Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:59 am

VOTE: Eyes

Alright.

nomnomnom · Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:07 am

I don't think I vote montosh today. Not over Jesus, Eyes or RF.

nomnomnom · Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:19 am

In post 1384, Nero Cain wrote:effort is not always AI. You're being so black and white with your reasoning.

Still think Roster is scum?

nomnomnom · Post Post #1423 (isolation #66) » Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:37 am

#teamjesus or #teameyes

hmmmm

nomnomnom · Post Post #1432 (isolation #67) » Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:13 am

By the way Eyes since you asked me what were my doubts about you, it's honestly a lot of how you word things.

There's a lot of subtext in what you write, things between the lines and implications. Normally I don't base reads on that because it could be just me but when I see people like Roster underlining the same things this is when I start to think I have a point to explore. A lot of your tone feels exaggerated and verbose for the sake of being verbose.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1442 (isolation #68) » Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:21 am

I don't feel like subtext has anything to do with writing style though.

Subtext is when your arguments have implications, and roster's arguments does show them.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1448 (isolation #69) » Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:42 am

In post 1325, Eyes without a face wrote:@nom: I don't really care if you trust me, but you sound like you're trying your best to engage and solve. I would probably be willing to give JL another day/night if you are. I get the feeling he is sincerely appealing here, so maybe he is town playing scummy?

There is A LOT of subtext here.

1. You imply that I do not trust you or scumread you.
2. You imply that I would find it weird that you specifically townread me and I do not know why you would think that.
3. You imply you are going to vote with me and that I am the one controlling your decision process.
4. You imply reasons to think Jesus is town, yet do not underline any and directly revote him afterwards.

Your posts contain a lot of subtext like that, and subtext usually means you reformulated your posts over and over, and that kind of stuff pings me.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:52 am

lol

VOTE: RedFlavor

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:01 pm

what a slippery floor

nomnomnom · Post Post #1536 (isolation #72) » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:17 am

I'm gonna guess there's a serial killer this game given the flip.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1537 (isolation #73) » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:18 am

The SK would make sense to give to scums having commuters I guess?

This is a weird setup man lol

nomnomnom · Post Post #1539 (isolation #74) » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:19 am

In post 1538, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 1535, rosterfoster wrote:Pops is basically conf not mafia for the Red push, I think the flip implies a SK is likely? Or possible a traitor. But the 2 kills N1 make sense for SK.

Nero was also kind of opposed IIRC
Extras kill was likely a vig kill since we lynched an even Night vig.

So why do scums have a cop then? For show?

nomnomnom · Post Post #1542 (isolation #75) » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:21 am

In post 1540, Alchemist21 wrote:How are you guys coming up with this SK idea? I don’t get it.

We have a scum with cop shots.

There's only so few explanations for that and the simplest explanation is that there's a serial killer this game.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1543 (isolation #76) » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:22 am

I think I want to look at people that have avoided flak actually, the serial killer is probably there.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1544 (isolation #77) » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:23 am

With that logic I kind doubt pops is SK here. Was very proactive to get scum lynched and put himself out there.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1545 (isolation #78) » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:32 am

VOTE: ofhrz

I want to explore this actually.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1547 (isolation #79) » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:33 am

In post 1546, Alchemist21 wrote:Maybe Jesus is SK and that’s why he was being so survivalistic?

That would also explain the rolefishing to know where to shoot.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1548 (isolation #80) » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:35 am

Although I really wanna explore my vote because I think that slot has a lot of chances flipping scum in general.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1550 (isolation #81) » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:39 am

In post 1549, Alchemist21 wrote:Yeah, orhz is my 2nd choice for group scum because she also resisted that red wagon. Deasvail’s defense seems a bit scummier to me though.

I think her overall absence is way scummier than a defense from Deas honestly.

The last thing I would do as scum is defend a partner that has 95% chances to get lynched. That's just putting myself in the spot for no reason. I don't see any scum doing this.

I think a scum would curse in their PT and keep silent and I think that's what Ofhrz has been doing.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1553 (isolation #82) » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:45 am

I guess you're right. Though you can see from the wording that DeasVail thought RF was town, as opposed to Of's lenient approach of "lol not a scumslip BUT can be scum".

I just don't see Deas scum here. That doesn't fit a scum team agenda to me.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1556 (isolation #83) » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:48 am

In post 1552, Alchemist21 wrote:Ofrhz has more posts than either of us. What’s quiet about that?

She fluffposts quite a bit which skews the perception when it comes to number of posts.

A lot of posts feel empty and they don't have a lot of weight imo. That's close to silence, although not quite, but it certainly does feel that way.

I just feel no impact from her, none at all.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1557 (isolation #84) » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:49 am

In post 1554, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 1536, nomnomnom wrote:I'm gonna guess there's a serial killer this game given the flip.
Um.. How do you know that Eyes without a Face isn't the scum kill?

I never said anything about scum or SK kill?

I just said that it's likely we have a SK this game given the scum cop flip.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1561 (isolation #85) » Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:36 am

In post 1560, popsofctown wrote:The cop could be for helping the scumteam locate a traitor. Especially since no one seems to agree how many scums a large should have lel.

I don't think it really makes sense to have a scum cop JUST for a traitor, especially in a large.
It makes more sense to have a SK in a large like this ESPECIALLY with scum commuters.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1563 (isolation #86) » Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:58 am

In post 1562, popsofctown wrote:Making an SK fight a bunch of scum commuters and a scum cop is stupid balance stacked against the SK.

Does not_known have a mod meta of giving third parties miserable win%s?

I mean I'd imagine the SK would be given some kind of advantage in this situation.

I remember seeing somewhere that NK15 makes whacky setups so it wouldn't really surprise me.
I don't really see a world in which we don't have a SK honestly.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:18 am

I honestly wonder why scums/SK decided to kill eyes given the heavy push on him yesterday by the way. I find that honestly nonsensical.

I just don't see it.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:24 am

In post 1582, Kirari Momobami wrote:Oh so scum shoot eyes to push sk narrative?

I kinda don't buy that but maybe

I'm not following that logic at all.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:26 am

In post 1583, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 1577, nomnomnom wrote:I honestly wonder why scums/SK decided to kill eyes given the heavy push on him yesterday by the way. I find that honestly nonsensical.

I just don't see it.

In post 1580, rosterfoster wrote:I said that I thought it was unlikely Eyes and RF would be scum together, so maybe they picked up on that or something.

Thinking I would suddenly start TR’ing eyes would be strange though, given the apparent existence of a SK.

So I’m still baffed
The Eyes Kill might have just been an “out-there” kill to confuse everyone and avoid getting stopped by a protective.

Yeah but isn't that just outright a bad kill

Like there are neutral kills and there is killing a guy some people thought were scums alongside true Jesus so you know.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:29 am

In post 1585, rosterfoster wrote:#townslip time - do scum get told if there’s a traitor?

A Traitor is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, as long as it:
- is Mafia-aligned
- knows the identities of all of the Mafia team
-
identity is not known by the Mafia team, although they should know a Traitor exists

- cannot be recruited to join the rest of the Mafia team, and (unless Bulletproof) is killed if shot
- is endgamed if all other Mafia are dead
- gives a "guilty" result to Cops, an "innocent" result to Gunsmiths, and a "Traitor" result to Role Cops

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:29 am

GOD DAMN IT

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:48 am

In post 1592, rosterfoster wrote:So the only logical way there’s an eyes kill is if there’s a traitor ig.

But of course the kill can happen illogically too.

Can you explain that for me?

nomnomnom · Post Post #1610 (isolation #93) » Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:58 pm

In post 1609, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1560, popsofctown wrote:Especially since no one seems to agree how many scums a large should have lel.
someone has to be really dumb or inexperienced (or just scum) to not think there are exactly 4 scum here.

I'm worried that the SK talk is potential to shade a vig claim.

VOTE: nom

1. I never said anything about the scumteam.
2. This is setup spec, not shade material. Town's winning anyway and I don't see us massclaiming soon so I'm not sure what you're doing here.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1687 (isolation #94) » Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:43 am

In post 1683, ofrhz wrote:
In post 1553, nomnomnom wrote:I guess you're right. Though you can see from the wording that DeasVail thought RF was town, as opposed to Of's lenient approach of "lol not a scumslip BUT can be scum".

I just don't see Deas scum here. That doesn't fit a scum team agenda to me.
What did you think of his reasons for thinking RF was town though?

It felt pretty unilateral when it comes to thinking but that's not really the crux of the argument.
I just don't think scum!Deas jumps to save his scum partner like that when they are 95% chances the guy gets lynched.
I don't think any scum does that.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1690 (isolation #95) » Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:51 am

In post 1689, ofrhz wrote:
In post 1687, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1683, ofrhz wrote:
In post 1553, nomnomnom wrote:I guess you're right. Though you can see from the wording that DeasVail thought RF was town, as opposed to Of's lenient approach of "lol not a scumslip BUT can be scum".

I just don't see Deas scum here. That doesn't fit a scum team agenda to me.
What did you think of his reasons for thinking RF was town though?
It felt pretty unilateral when it comes to thinking but that's not really the crux of the argument.
I just don't think scum!Deas jumps to save his scum partner like that when they are 95% chances the guy gets lynched.
I don't think any scum does that.
I guess I'm failing to see why the "scum wouldn't do that!" logic doesn't apply to me either?

Alch asked me the same question and I somewhat agreed.

I feel your defense was less insistent and overall that doesn't invalidate the feeling that I think you're scum.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1692 (isolation #96) » Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:55 am

In post 1691, ofrhz wrote:OK

I think you're also scumreading me for being inactive, which has been an IRL thing. And the time you replaced in at also basically coincided with me being busier IRL so I can see why you don't think I've contributed much to this game

I guess it could cloud my judgement.

I feel your posts haven't left much impact on me too.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1758 (isolation #97) » Sat Jul 06, 2019 3:46 pm

Deas can I get actual reads from you? You're still not voting.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1764 (isolation #98) » Sat Jul 06, 2019 4:19 pm

In post 1763, DeasVail wrote:
In post 1758, nomnomnom wrote:Deas can I get actual reads from you? You're still not voting.
I’ve given tentative reads and am in the process of clarifying them before I vote.

Is there a reason why me not voting is particularly significant right now?

I like having a mental map of where everyone is at and you're still not voting, so yeah I am bothered by that.

nomnomnom · Post Post #1768 (isolation #99) » Sat Jul 06, 2019 4:28 pm

In post 1766, DeasVail wrote:PEdit: @nom I think my posts gave a fairly clear indication on where my head was at. I could vote someone or say “I am scumreading” them and it would under a lot of circumstances achieve the same thing.

I have some trouble with long-winded posts if I'm being honest, votes are a much better representation of someone's mindset imo

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:58 am

In post 1780, Nero Cain wrote:like its an 11:2 right now we can just poe it and win but I think Montosh is just scum and should be lynched sooner rather than later but no one seems to have any interest in him and half of you won't even talk about him so whatever we'll just lynch whomever till you guys wise up.

I think the case on Montosh is a bit scattered honestly.

I think Ofh has a better chance flipping scum right now for that reason.

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:02 am

In post 1782, Nero Cain wrote:what do you not like about the montosh case and what makes him town?

I have a hard time following Montosh's case is all.

I don't actually have a strong stance on the guy but I still don't see the crux of your argument with Montosh being scum, just like I said yesterday I believe?

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:30 pm

I literally do not understand your whole vig claim theory.

I think the kill is weird, what's wrong about that? What kind of agenda am I pushing when I say that?

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:46 pm

In post 1795, Kirari Momobami wrote:your skepticism just feels more like you want the town to not think of the eyes kill as coming from scum because that confuses the town in a way that is good for you. Like, SK might have killed eyes if they thought eyes was groupscum. That's a simple explanation; likewise, groupscum could have shot eyes because they thought he was SK. I feel like it's not actually that hard to come up with relatively simple explanations for why groupscum might have killed eyes which makes your skepticism and desire to push against those explanations without really what I see as good evidence suspicious.

ngl that whole explanation is pretty bad.

I just want to get into scum's mind, it makes it easier to hunt scum. I don't see why it's so weird that *I* specifically analyze a nightkill either.

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:13 pm

In post 1798, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 1797, popsofctown wrote:Ftr Kirari, Jesus cannot claim vig, he hardclaimed vanilla already
Hmm, that's a pretty good point, it doesn't make me feel better about nom though

In post 1796, nomnomnom wrote:I don't see why it's so weird that *I* specifically analyze a nightkill either.
I wasn't saying it's weird to analyze a nightkill, I was saying it's weird to analyze a nightkill and insist it doesn't come from scum in a game with a flipped vig and roles that heavily imply an SK.

How is it weird? The guy was a common scumread and heavily pushed before RF slipped, what's wrong with finding that weird? I don't get it.

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:13 pm

I still don't get the vig thing.

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:25 pm

In post 1803, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 1799, nomnomnom wrote:How is it weird? The guy was a common scumread and heavily pushed before RF slipped, what's wrong with finding that weird? I don't get it.
Finding it weird is normal. Concluding that because it is weird it does not come from either groupscum or SK is suspicious, when there is evidence that makes an additional vig seem less likely than usual. I feel like you were presenting invalid analysis, possibly because you wanted to either soft being a vig to stave off investigative actions, or claim vig later if you are an SK that hits a groupscum later in the game. I think an SK would make that kill to set up a vig claim which is what it looks like you were doing.

I am not vig, I literally do not know where you got this from or whatever.

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:26 pm

I do not understand your fixation with me softing vig or whatever, that's just weird rolefishing right there.

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:39 pm

In post 1816, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 1808, nomnomnom wrote:I do not understand your fixation with me softing vig or whatever, that's just weird rolefishing right there.
I'm simply exploring the range of your motivations in reaching an illogical conclusion. Since "eyes kill doesn't come from either groupscum or sk" is not a logical conclusion based on the evidence of the game, I am thinking through each possible permutation of what agenda you may have in presenting that conclusion to the town. I do think the eyes kill came from scum, so the question for me is why you would come to the opposite conclusion

IF SK
-Simply trying to avoid town realizing a pattern in SK kills
-Setting up a vig fakeclaim later in the game
-Trying to appear to not be the SK

IF groupscum:
-Groupscum trying to avoid an SK kill by saying clearly false statements?
-Trying to set up a vig fakeclaim if SK gets killed by a scum shot later in the game?
-Just screw with town's NKA?

IF town:
-huh? how on earth did you get to "that kill wasn't either scum faction" with a very likely SK in the game and a dead vig?

i never said the kill comes from neither??? I said it was a weird kill and you're fixating yourself on that like I said something unthinkable lmao

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:43 pm

I said it was weird, not impossible. I don't think there's another vig this game so your analysis is just plain reaching.

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:43 pm

In post 1823, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 1577, nomnomnom wrote:I honestly wonder why scums/SK decided to kill eyes given the heavy push on him yesterday by the way. I find that honestly nonsensical.

I just don't see it.

In post 1821, nomnomnom wrote:i never said the kill comes from neither???
I'm starting to want this slot gone bad, this is an explicit lie

no

just stop

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:50 pm

In post 1827, Nero Cain wrote:
@nom
stop interacting with the scum troll alt and sheep me.

but I like Of for scum better tho

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:53 pm

In post 1830, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 1827, Nero Cain wrote:
@nom
stop interacting with the scum troll alt and sheep me.
You really shouldn't try to shut down discussions dude, even if I'm wrong I need to evaluate nom's reaction to my argument for me to reevaluate if I am in fact wrong.

That being said I take no offense at being called a troll alt because that is kinda why I created this account so... fair point there

I am very likely to lose my shit if you continue pushing me with things I never said and lie about what I said too so I wouldn't advise it.

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:05 pm

In post 1832, Kirari Momobami wrote:You now want to make it seem that you don't think a vig killed eyes, even though that's pretty clearly what you were thinking in 1577.

yeah that's totally why I said there was likely a SK this game because of the scum flip when entering today.

Stop reaching start reading

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:07 pm

I don't think there's a second vig this game like what the fuck

reading between the lines while not reading what I ACTUALLY wrote is just plain stupid

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:12 pm

I just said I didn't understand the logic and that I "didn't see it". That's literally what I said.

I don't like when people push me with logic that comes from false arguments, things I haven't said, outright lying about things I do, etc. Do that and you're guaranteed to get something out of me that's in the realm of getting pissed off. that's how I am and I literally cannot control it

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:17 pm

In post 1851, ofrhz wrote:
In post 1781, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1780, Nero Cain wrote:like its an 11:2 right now we can just poe it and win but I think Montosh is just scum and should be lynched sooner rather than later but no one seems to have any interest in him and half of you won't even talk about him so whatever we'll just lynch whomever till you guys wise up.
I think the case on Montosh is a bit scattered honestly.

I think Ofh has a better chance flipping scum right now for that reason.
Your case on me basically boils down to “I haven’t left an impression on you” to which I have already said that my sitewide activity has been low since you’ve replaced in

Like you can check my post history if you want but I feel like you should already know this?

Also what did you mean by the case on montosh is scattered? The ability of montosh pushers to summarize a case on him shouldn’t be alignment indicative for montosh at all?

Huuh it was just a weird way to ask for a Montosh case basically. It's a bit all over the place and I don't see the entire argument, just tidbits.

Also it's more than activity and I already addressed this point.

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:19 pm

In post 1556, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1552, Alchemist21 wrote:Ofrhz has more posts than either of us. What’s quiet about that?
She fluffposts quite a bit which skews the perception when it comes to number of posts.

A lot of posts feel empty and they don't have a lot of weight imo. That's close to silence, although not quite, but it certainly does feel that way.

I just feel no impact from her, none at all.

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:27 pm

In post 1862, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 1849, Alchemist21 wrote:It might actually be a Kirari/Montosh team. There’s been little interaction between them and the first real instance is Kirari laughing at the early post that first got Montosh in trouble. And looking back at that whole thing with Montosh reminded me just how bad it was.

VOTE: Montosh
Sure; given a lot of my concerns with nomnom have to do with her seeming to push the vig angle, which you were also pushing at that time, do you think a second vig is likely, probable, possible, or unlikely at this point?

I didn't push any vig for christ sake, I literally said the opposite

please just stop

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:30 pm

In post 1873, Nero Cain wrote:VOTE: nom

I'm voting here until he votes Montosh

alternatively you could present your Montosh case like I have requested a few times now

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:33 pm

In post 1875, Nero Cain wrote:im lazy but there was

In post 1826, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 134, Montosh wrote:Yeah you've got it wrong.
I do legit scumread Creature.
To be fair, I always scumread Creature a bit.

In post 158, Creature wrote:Oh no I'm depressed
^
creatures first post + scumclaim

of course, Monts next post and built-in defense was

In post 135, Montosh wrote:
THAT WAS NOT SERIOUS
but its just WIFOM and I think it's a legit scumbuddy claim that he's trying to write off as jest.

Also, his overall play is bad. And at the very least, if this is town just lulz claiming scum maybe they'll stop playing like that if we lynch enough of them.

Yeah I saw that, wanted to see if you had more since you've been going about montosh for a while.
I'll sleep on it.

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:37 pm

In post 1882, Nero Cain wrote:there is but I've already put in alot of effort in this game. I legit don't understand your resistance here.

It's not really resistance, just that I believe in Of being scum more rn

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:29 am

I guess I don't have that much of an opposition for the Montosh wagon.

intent

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:46 am

N-Nero-kun...

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:54 pm

NEUTRAL shot

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:59 pm

In post 1956, Not Known 15 wrote:Not Voting(10)LuckyOtter,Kublai Khan,ofrhz,DeasVail,Nero Cain,Kirari Momobami,popsofctown,nomnomnom,Jesus Louisus,Vorkuta,

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:00 pm

In post 1961, popsofctown wrote:Ok but how many people are voting cause I gotta add that to ten

we are ten alive

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:04 pm

In post 1963, popsofctown wrote:ok but I'm not sure you're part of "we" you just called the SK shot "neutral" instead of "third party evil"

I guess I'm never joking anymore ever

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:12 pm

@pops how do you feel about Otter now

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:17 pm

In post 1966, popsofctown wrote:I think Otter is pretty circumstantially cleared really. The only way it could be otherwise is if Otter was protecting scum!Jesus instead of town!Jesus which I was pretty off of but maybe has more equity after a lot more other flipped vanilla

Not sure I understand that last bit

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:25 pm

In post 1968, popsofctown wrote:It's setup spec that we probably don't have more than like 6 VTs because closed mods love role madness therefore Jesus's claim is suspicious. Even if the number of VTs we should have hasn't been strictly exceeded the probability still goes up due to a Monty Hall-like effect I think

I'm not sure I agree with the logic.
My biggest question is if Jesus is scum, why does he kill Eyes, which was his biggest push before RF did an oopsie.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:03 pm

In post 1970, Kirari Momobami wrote:Thinking roster was sk kill and alch was groupscum kill

Do you have a reason to think that?

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:08 pm

In post 1973, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 1971, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1970, Kirari Momobami wrote:Thinking roster was sk kill and alch was groupscum kill
Do you have a reason to think that?
Mostly thinking alch was townier so groupscum trying to shoot town and sk trying to shoot scum

Heeeeeeeh Roster had low chance of being scum fmpov, I don't think I agree with this.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:09 pm

That's a weird ass analysis tbh

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:14 pm

In post 1979, popsofctown wrote:Otter defended montosh.

"fmpov" is obviously an erroneous qualifier for following what the SK was trying to do.

Could very much be KK!SK not realizing how eccentric he is for having a scumread on rosterfoster and just shooting at it after he couldn't get it as a lynch he wanted. Aside from guessing any 1 person to be the SK as being 3-4 times as hard as guessing any one person to be scum that seems to fit pretty well. I want to lynch groupscum today though.

What else would indicate KK!SK because honestly I don't see it.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:15 pm

Nah I think DV is town for that reaction to the RF wagon still.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:17 pm

In post 1986, popsofctown wrote:i think KK's entire iso can be interpreted as an SK iso even if I really don't like it as a scum iso.

But like, why

He felt really townie throughout the game for me, I don't see a SK in him.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:20 pm

I actually think there is a decent chance you could be SK while we're talking about SKs actually.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:20 pm

that was @pops

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:22 pm

In post 1991, popsofctown wrote:Me or the babysitter that tried to get a scumshot wasted on her BP N1?

Huuuuh what
did I miss an episode or something

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:23 pm

Okay but where does the BP stuff comes from

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:25 pm

This got me thinking if RF crumbed who could be SK actually, now that we can talk about that

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:28 pm

Doesn't seem like it :/

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:29 pm

In post 1998, Kirari Momobami wrote:This could also be 7-1-1-1 with two alternate night SKs? Don't want to feed paranoia but if there's an odd SK with even commuter and an even SK with odd commuter that would kinda explain why this game has seemed fucked and there's so many scummy people that nonetheless seem like they can't be groupscum?

The game should have at least one Mafia or Werewolf group (of at least two members). In mini games (at most 13 players), there must be exactly one such group, with no third parties. In large games (at least 14 players), a second anti-town group can be given a separate Mafia family name, or can be a Werewolf group, and there should be no more than two mafia/werewolf factions, and
no more than one Serial Killer
.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:40 pm

VOTE: Ofh
Could have sworn I was voting there

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:49 pm

Or you could sheep me.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:03 pm

Vork has been silent but it's been the case left and right on the site.

I think DV is town.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:37 am

In post 2051, ofrhz wrote: Nom why did you stop scumreading Jesus?

I never said anything about my jesus read.

I just think you're more likely to be scum from how you acted.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:06 am

I don't believe that one second.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:09 am

Also if that's true why don't you literally claim who the other vig is so we can either have two townies confirmed or force you to make your partner claim if you are scum and thought it was a good idea to do this

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:26 am

VOTE: KK
I am not unvoting until he claims his role and information.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:35 am

In post 2095, Kirari Momobami wrote:I mean you're welcome to press for info but I ran every scenario I could think of and the only one where he's scum is if he's claiming vig himself and has to backpedal the "informed" part. Otherwise he just sets someone up to get shot by a real vig/sk, which kinda precludes an s/s gambit unless scum literally have three night 4 commuters LOL

Or he could be SK and this is his way of deflecting the conversation.
This is the dumbest thing ever. Just claim your info and move on if you're going to do this.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:36 am

I just hate when people do this, it's selfish and it serves no purpose
I'm probably being irrational about it but urgh.,..

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:39 am

In post 2100, popsofctown wrote:You get to do stuff like this if you've townspewed some for a few days

You don't get to be the one stopping someone from doing this by SK hunting starting 2 days ahead of schedule.

Yeah the townspew that everyone townread yet is still alive and is trying to deflect a SK conversation after someone mentioned he seems like he could have a SK ISO.

Please.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:40 am

My paranoia is justified here whether you like it or not.

Claim your info now. There is literally no reason not to claim especially if you believe the scumteam has a traitor and that it would mean a reduced mainteam to hunt for. Jesus christ.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:43 am

In post 2104, popsofctown wrote:Traitor is part of the mainteam tho

Traitors are endgamed when all groupscums are dead so not claiming your information is actually stupid here because it would mean a reduced PoE.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:46 am

It's also a significant gain to do this for a SK because the conversation changes significantly and the way you hunt for scums changes significantly. It's not something you do with no reason. KK!SK has legitimate reasons to do this so I want to stop the paranoia and make him claim his information. It shouldn't be a problem given the massive advantage town has right now and it would mean we literally just win.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:47 am

In post 2109, popsofctown wrote:how do you know aren't you from epicmafia or something

A Traitor is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, as long as it:

is Mafia-aligned
knows the identities of all of the Mafia team
identity is not known by the Mafia team, although they should know a Traitor exists
cannot be recruited to join the rest of the Mafia team, and (unless Bulletproof) is killed if shot

is endgamed if all other Mafia are dead

gives a "guilty" result to Cops, an "innocent" result to Gunsmiths, and a "Traitor" result to Role Cops

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:52 am

not sure if dumbtelling considering this was posted before...

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:53 am

In post 2115, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 2098, nomnomnom wrote:Or he could be SK and this is his way of deflecting the conversation.
This is the dumbest thing ever. Just claim your info and move on if you're going to do this.
Yes but that requires him to retract and claim being the vig himself which I don't really think he does

Then again why not just claim the info for christ sake...
It's like having 2 ICs today and they can lead and have a shot without any kind of paranoia.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:57 am

In post 2120, popsofctown wrote:nom doesn't SK!KK die in LyLo when people massclaim and the vig he talked about doesn't exist?

maybe

I don't know I kinda reacted impulsively to all this, i just don't like people thinking this is cluedo

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:59 am

it's also good for the vig to claim now because if KK actually dies then scums can counterclaim and they have a chance at winning a 1v1. That's not possible if we confirm the vig today.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:00 am

In post 2125, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 2110, nomnomnom wrote:It's also a significant gain to do this for a SK because the conversation changes significantly and the way you hunt for scums changes significantly. It's not something you do with no reason. KK!SK has legitimate reasons to do this so I want to stop the paranoia and make him claim his information. It shouldn't be a problem given the massive advantage town has right now and it would mean we literally just win.
Right now the strongest piece of evidence you have is that you *feel* that there should be a SK in the game.

How about you claim something that justifies that feeling? Any reasoning at all. Anything.

Scum cop.
Weird nightkills.
The fact that 3 scums - 1 traitor would be hella weak.
It just makes more sense to have a configuration with a SK.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:02 am

There's literally no downside to claiming who the vig is oh my god lol why are you guys so obtuse

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:05 am

In post 2134, Kublai Khan wrote:The SK paranoia only weakens the vigs.

Then just claim who the vig is

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:06 am

Shouldn't the vig be bulletproof anyway

We literally would have 2 ICs and we could power through this game

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:07 am

Yeah so why wouldn't you just claim who the vig is

that's my point

Not claiming who the vig is actually hurts town if you are town

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:09 am

In post 2143, popsofctown wrote:there's no protective how is 2 ICs instawin with 10 alive

Because then it would mean there's a mafia traitor and if we cannot find the scum between everyone with 2 ICs, one of which survives tonight then gets to shoot during the night, it would mean we are all bad at mafia.

We literally cannot lose if you just claim who the vig is.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:10 am

In post 2146, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 2136, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 2134, Kublai Khan wrote:The SK paranoia only weakens the vigs.
Then just claim who the vig is
Seriously, nomnomnom. Stop being scummy.

If I'm right about the game's setup, then my claiming now would take out all of the town's remaining power. Scum usually win mountaneous. All I'm done is promise that SK is off the table. You can still hunt scum. Right now it sounds like you're super pissed you can't control the gameplay to SK-hunting.

Jesus christ you're an idiot.

Just claim your vig so I can stop losing my time with thinking about SKs for fuck sake.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:11 am

THE VIG IS BULLETPROOF TONIGHT HELLOOOO

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:12 am

In post 2149, popsofctown wrote:I'm really bad at mafia
The vig seems to be good at mafia, shot Creature night 1
let's not get this vig roleblocked

You're aware that if we listen to KK then there is only one groupscum remaining which means they cannot multitask between a commuter/nightkill/roleblock

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:15 am

In post 2152, popsofctown wrote:ok but what about 1-shot strongman

The game design is ultra whacky already with the scum commuters and you want to add strongman shots on top of that rofl

pedit: survivors arent normal

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:19 am

In post 2156, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 2147, nomnomnom wrote:Jesus christ you're an idiot.

Just claim your vig so I can stop losing my time with thinking about SKs for fuck sake.
You've gone through denial, anger, and barganing. Just move on to depression and acceptance.

I'm town and my outing the knowledge I know hurts town. You are not hunting scum by pursuing this crusade against me. You're being anti-town. Do you understand this?

I just want you to claim who the vig is given they do not die tonight and it reduces our PoE and we can just power through together is that so much to ask or are you going to still act like that just because you can

if you die tonight the vig can get counterclaimed by a traitor and we can lose our vig just like that.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:20 am

VOTE: ofrhz
so much fucking idiocy

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:21 am

In post 2162, popsofctown wrote:
In post 2158, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 2156, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 2147, nomnomnom wrote:Jesus christ you're an idiot.

Just claim your vig so I can stop losing my time with thinking about SKs for fuck sake.
You've gone through denial, anger, and barganing. Just move on to depression and acceptance.

I'm town and my outing the knowledge I know hurts town. You are not hunting scum by pursuing this crusade against me. You're being anti-town. Do you understand this?
I just want you to claim who the vig is given they do not die tonight and it reduces our PoE and we can just power through together is that so much to ask or are you going to still act like that just because you can

if you die tonight the vig can get counterclaimed by a traitor and we can lose our vig just like that.
Yeah but then we find the traitor?!!??!

And we lost all our town power

CLAP

GOOD DECISION CLAP

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:26 am

I will never get people that want to be stupid just to prove a point but whatever I guess I'm done here.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:28 am

In post 2165, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 2160, nomnomnom wrote:VOTE: ofrhz
so much fucking idiocy
why do you scumread ofrhz again?

I'm done with the thread for a while

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:23 am

In post 1687, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1683, ofrhz wrote:
In post 1553, nomnomnom wrote:I guess you're right. Though you can see from the wording that DeasVail thought RF was town, as opposed to Of's lenient approach of "lol not a scumslip BUT can be scum".

I just don't see Deas scum here. That doesn't fit a scum team agenda to me.
What did you think of his reasons for thinking RF was town though?
It felt pretty unilateral when it comes to thinking but that's not really the crux of the argument.
I just don't think scum!Deas jumps to save his scum partner like that when they are 95% chances the guy gets lynched.
I don't think any scum does that.

It makes even less sense for a SK to do so imo.

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:08 am

In post 2222, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 2220, DeasVail wrote:nom makes a correct point that it wouldn't actually be useful information for the scum right now. So if nom is scum what they are doing is being obnoxious and causing people to think badly of them.... unnecessarily? What's the point?
Read nom scumgames, her entire shtick as scum is to just aggressively push obvtown and then say she doesn't understand obvious things

You definitely haven't read my towngames to come to this conclusion lmao

I invite you to read the micro I was town in to understand that what you're describing is, unfortunately, not alignment indicative. I'm trying to calm down a bit on it but it takes time.

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:12 am

I am an opiniated person and I push what I believe and that's verifiable in my towngames, and my frustration often comes from people not listening to me and misrepresenting my arguments.

Also you're implying I push obvtown right now which is a weird implication to make.

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:16 am

Also Alch didn't think I was a traitor, you are full of shit about that. Stop lying.

In post 1889, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 1885, ofrhz wrote:
In post 1876, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 1851, ofrhz wrote:Also what did you mean by the case on montosh is scattered? The ability of montosh pushers to summarize a case on him shouldn’t be alignment indicative for montosh at all?
to be clear you still stand by the montosh read, right?
No, I don’t townread him anymore, and I’ve been struggling to find a strong second scumread today

Montosh’s d2 play is basically iioa

And him sheeping his townreads onto me without really engaging his townreads is ??? Especially when half of his townreads scumread him

I’d vote there but I’m kind of confused as to why people don’t scumread nom atm

To reiterate, my one line scumcase on nom is that I think her RF scumlean looks like distancing and she didn’t vote there until pops started aggressively pushing RF

In post 1887, Nero Cain wrote:anyways putting my money where my mouth is but prob gonna push Nom tomorrow (kinda listening to pops)

VOTE: montosh
Did either of you see my reasoning for thinking HWS slot is Town?

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:25 am

If KK isn't lying I think Kirari has a chance of being traitor for trying to discredit me with "You are a traitor!!!", invoking false arguments to try and discredit my slot further with surface analysis and not even voting me when she thinks I am scum, which makes me think that otter may be lynchbait.

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:33 am

Could also why you opened the game with an invitation for scum to shoot you. Signal to homebase etc

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:55 am

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:08 am

In post 2231, Kublai Khan wrote:I can dig that. nomnomnom has been the one pushing the idea of SK the hardest, which makes sense if he's the traitor.

Up until you came in with your explanation everyone was on board with the idea that this game had a SK.
That argument is disingenuous.

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:40 am

In post 2233, Jesus Louisus wrote:
In post 2232, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 2231, Kublai Khan wrote:I can dig that. nomnomnom has been the one pushing the idea of SK the hardest, which makes sense if he's the traitor.
Up until you came in with your explanation everyone was on board with the idea that this game had a SK.
That argument is disingenuous.
I wasn't on board with SK.

I think you were the exception rather than the norm.

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:32 am

In post 2237, Kirari Momobami wrote:I don't disagree. You think otter ends the game? To be honest I am much less confident on otter last scum than I am on nom traitor. If you're 75% + then we can just do otter today, but if we're in the 55-60% range I think we should do nom first so it's clear how many mislynches we have to find last groupscum.

It's kinda odd on you started going on this train of thought ever since i called you out on your logic and you're starting to have moonlogic over who you should vote.

I'm starting to think that if there's a traitor this game you're the slot for it.

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:51 am

In post 2236, popsofctown wrote:lynching scum instead of traitor is better, if you lynch traitor scum get to keep NKing

Or you know, the game would just end

can people really not read a wiki page

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:55 am

Traitors can have additional abilities which is something to factor in (like they mention traitors being bulletproof are pretty common on the wiki if you don't want them to die to scum, I'd imagine roleblocking traitors are a thing) but yeah it's straight up better to hunt for groupscum.

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:57 am

We're still not sure whether or not we have a traitor or if KK is screwing around anyway so the only thing we can do is hunt for groupscum anyway without screwing ourselves over anyway.

How Kirari is handling this is scummy as hell.

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:08 am

In post 2247, Kirari Momobami wrote: There's also the simple fact that I could be wrong on power and that nom simply is groupscum not traitor. alch made some arguments against this that were fairly decent but it's not totally certain that creature wouldn't bus like that to a same-pt buddy, just rather unlikely

Alch thought I was town.

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:09 am

You can stop being bad and lying about stuff anytime and lynch scum.

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:12 am

In post 2250, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 2248, nomnomnom wrote:Alch thought I was town
Invoking the opinion of a dead VT
Spoken like true town

Kirari invoked the opinion of a dead VT to push me I was just responding on an equally stupid level to show that not only that logic is stupid, it's also a lie

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:16 am

In post 2252, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 2248, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 2247, Kirari Momobami wrote: There's also the simple fact that I could be wrong on power and that nom simply is groupscum not traitor. alch made some arguments against this that were fairly decent but it's not totally certain that creature wouldn't bus like that to a same-pt buddy, just rather unlikely
Alch thought I was town.
that you keep saying this is so bad lol. Alch's argument was that creature/hws was not s/s because of how creature bussed. He shorthanded that to you being town but the consequence of his argument was not that you are town but that creature did not know you were scum with him. It's incredible that you went back to grab alch out of context where he asks if people read his argument about your alignment but did not actually read his argument about your alignment lol. He never said you had a town mindset or that your play came from town, he was basing his read on how creature approached your slot.

Why do you give a shit about a dead townie
I literally went to ISO the guy because I had no clue what you were talking about and saw that you were coming up with bullshit because Alch thought my slot was town. You're lying and using garbage logic to push my slot ever since I told you that your logic was straight up bad and questioned you not voting me. That timing is pretty bad and the logic you've used is simply wrong and lies. I don't know what you're trying to do here. You're allowing scums to deflect on me so you're detrimental to town and you really should stop your stupidity right there.

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:18 am

This is the second time you've done this this game by the way, just pointing that out.

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:22 am

I'm convinced that otter is lynchbait, at least 80% chances that he is because of this.
You guys should sheep me on Of.

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:27 am

Is this another episode of "lol I just want to make you react with bad logic and lies" because I'll just ignore it if that's the case.
I don't get your fixation with Alch or why you decided to pick the guy specifically, I just pointed out that it was bad logic and a lie, of course I'm taking that seriously. Like christ.

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:28 am

How am I supposed to react? Let it slide and have a good laff until I am wagoned because of idiotic logic that's verifiably not true? You're honestly bad at gauging reactions out of people to determine their alignments. Don't do it it's just not your playstyle.

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:30 am

Otter is lynchbait calling it now.

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:35 am

In post 2277, Kublai Khan wrote:@ LuckyOtter, nomnomnom, Jesus Louisus - Is there anything outside of ofrhz's reaction to popsofctown's RedFlavor catch that signals scum to you guys?

That wasn't really the reason I scumread Of, I think you misread my argument.
I think Of has a "going under the radar" feel to her. A lot of what she says are fencesitting opinions. Hell, even if you go and look back on her "defense" of Red it was not even a proper defense, it was a fencesit, which is why I consider that infinitely more scummy than say, deasvail coming in to defend the slot even though he was extremely wrong.

There is no impact from that slot. She misread that as "not posting and being away for a while" but that's not what I meant by no impact. She posts a bunch of nothing. No strong opinions and a lot of fluff. I think she's scum and trying to redirect the heat somewhere else constantly. She's also signalled going a bunch of places like my slot ("I think nom is scum") without doing anything about it which signals a player that is ready to just sheep and sheep and sheep. I think this is just scum that is trying to extend the game as much as possible.