The Mystery Box Of Silver 5: Clash of Cash death grips

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

everything has daytalk confirmed

~Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

btw irrel I didn't answer because idr

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I think something insomnia said rubbed me the wrong way(?)

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

btw I'm just going to note

the only time I do shit like that is when people are saying things that annoy me or are blatantly ridiculous

I'm like 80% sure that it was insomnia that set me off but I don't remember what exactly it was

it even might have been as simple as him trying to suggest keeping someone at L-1 combined with the fact that three players still aren't able to even play the game

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

oh also I had insomnia locktowned at that point

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

katy, as a general hint for how I think in mafia games

if I think the scumreads on me are ridiculous, I will act blatantly scummy and anti-town on purpose for no other reason than to make fun of it

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

the mystery box is that 3p have all the power

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

i mean okay but you can hide behind that as scum, if i knew you better i'd probably be able to tell the difference but for now literally the 3 of us agree there has to be at least 1 scum in us and i think i can very clearly show it's not me

the difference is that I don't need to in the first place as scum

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I think toog is the source of the three slots being gone

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

katy, as a general hint for how I think in mafia games

if I think the scumreads on me are ridiculous, I will act blatantly scummy and anti-town on purpose for no other reason than to make fun of it

~ Pichu

who was scumreading you d2?

-Irrel

...........wh4t?

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I remember at least 2-3 slots having scumleans on me too?

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

why didn't I get called out

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I just wanted the three outside slots back in and I thought that it was still likely that it was just time gated

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I've been up for 7 hours and eaten essentially nothing in that tmie

I think that's why I'm not following anything of what you guys are saying rn

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

what

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I think irrel's mental state has degraded from this game

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

pagetop

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Old Dogs is town.

insomnia is town.

ElevenThirty is probably town.

Chickadee is probably town.

Toogeloo is probably town.
zeebu is probably town.

Wh4t is kind of town.
Voted is kind of town.

Fuscosco/mastina/KidAmn - who?
Chemist/Vengaboys/Gamma - sort tomorrow

The Three Musketeers

is in don't care land. I want them sorted in some way by day three but otherwise they'll just be noise all game I bet.

ZZZX/

Vorkuta

are scumreads.

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

maybe my reads really weren't that far off and it's just among creature/pisskop/rhinox/voted/wh4t

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I'd be happy to be 1/2 d1

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I'd be very interested in hearing mastina's thoughts on me this game

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I think wh4t is town, relly pinged me a bit on that last page but not sure there yet, gonna need to consult with Pichu tonight probably.

VOTE: 11:30 for the moment, I may need to reread skitter's early game tonight to be sure of this but some pressure here is probably fine

-Pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

That was not a typo, relly is my shorthand for irrelephant, one of the heads of 11:30

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

and the "where" was in regard to him pushing rhinox as groupscum after rhinox has been kinda towning up and also in him overreacting to pichu's hammer, which was basically fine for the gamestate given insomnia had lost his damn mind.

-pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

you're misreading

it is a reasonable inference that there are active town players in this game, you don't need to be scum to figure that much out

-pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Idk I think skitter is one of the top 20 towns on site

-pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Why can we be BOP'd? Neither of us have a notable reputation for scumhunting.

?

don't you/skitter/katy/fl all have that rep

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Do

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

You

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Want

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

A

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Spicy

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Kekeke

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

don't you/skitter/katy/fl all have that rep

i dont but skitter and fl definitely do im im sure irrelephant does as well

i think like only 3 people really think my current towngame is like sheepable (it's not, especially not in a gamestate like this where i hate the game)

I just watched you catch an entire scumteam on day one???

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I am tho

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

does anyone need anything specific from me

I'm starting to want to take the game seriously now that both my other heads have started to play again

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

my impression of wh4t is that their posting style is NAI

there's one part of it that pings me but I'd rather keep that on the downlow for right now

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

fine I guess?

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I think wh4t is town, relly pinged me a bit on that last page but not sure there yet, gonna need to consult with Pichu tonight probably.

VOTE: 11:30 for the moment, I may need to reread skitter's early game tonight to be sure of this but some pressure here is probably fine

-Pikachu

no consulting happened

but I agree with the read

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Isn't "I'm not feeling your posts" a summary of forum based mafia

-pika

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

skitter is openwolfing

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

creature doesn't obvtown almost half the game after a scumflip though

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I'm saying that a creature scumflip gives much less info than an eleventhirty scumflip

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

skitter is openwolfing

~ Pichu

explain

I don't believe for a second that your posting on this page is genuine

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

katy

skitter is literally trying to shut you down because she NEEDS the wh4t mislynch

it's too dangerous to allow it to dissipate because that slot is under far too much pressure and creates too many obvtowns, it doesn't matter what her team is because that slot is always the biggest scum presence and losing that AS WELL AS obvtowning this many town slots can't be allowed to happen

she's not approaching this to try to convince you that wh4t is scum, she's trying to convince you that your reasons for townreading her are wrong.

THIS IS A SCUM MINDSET

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

honestly skitter

both my other heads are already convinced your slot is scum because pikachu caught something your hydra partner did that convinced them you were scum

when I really look at it, irre feels a lot more like he did in the cancelled chain of command than he did in port arthur

and I never really had that slimy feeling from your posting until just now with this push

I don't feel like it's the same thing at all.

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

skitter are you okay?

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

like, legitimately

are you okay?

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

now, why are you asking that?

because it's legitimately important to my read on you

it makes sense that you're playing this way if there's other stuff going on that's making you take it out on the game whether subconsciously or otherwise, and that would explain away my read just fine

but if that's not the case, then I don't really understand what exactly I'm supposed to be townreading you for; I've never once played with town!you and felt like I was being interrogated like I am here, you always felt like you were trying to start an actual debate to try to learn what I was thinking. I don't get that impression from your posts that you want to understand my thoughts as much as you want to... idk, break them? I've gotten that exact same impression from your pots to katy as well

it's really difficult to be able to dismiss even this subtle of a change in your approach when there's a perfectly valid reason to believe it's a scum-motivated change

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

the disingenuousness comes from the fact that wh4t outright said the above

i am saying that i dont sense aggression from you that you say you can't fake, and none of the questions here feel like they would be hard for scum to answer and that from a scum pov are easy to at least ask

nope, i'm v out of my scumrange here!

would not be able to have this convo as scum, would not be able to follow up like this as scum, would not be as ~frustrated.determined~ as scum (the second bit as a response to the last bit is what i mean by aggressive)

posts like this I don't see naturally occuring to town!skitter

this is really similar to how nancy tries to pull me off of her when I catch her scumgame

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I actually can't link you to what made them get that impression because they summarized

maybe pikachu will answer

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

your posting then still doesn't feel the same as your posting here(?)

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

like a lot of the reason I didn't ever make a concentrated push on you all game despite having those constant nagging thoughts that you were scum snowing me was because the way you responded to it didn't feel like scum responses

this is like... exactly the opposite

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

mastina

I've been going insane this entire game

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

idk how to describe intuition, skitter

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I can say the same thing about myself but I don't think anyone would believe that

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I've lynched scum for less than wh4t's case on us
YVG, weren't you complaining about Wh4t's crap tunnel on you? And then wh4t crap tunnels us and she's town for it?
Wh4t's an alt? Can we know the identity? because it feels unfair that only some of the playerlist is able to meta her

-Irrel

I don't see how those are necessarily comparable but ok

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

and my reason for townreading her had nothing to do with her tunneling you???

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I don't want to give any hints towards pikachu's identity since they've only ever indicated that they want to stay hidden

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

we've both blown past our scumranges I think.

again

I can literally say the exact same thing and have it be correct

that doesn't mean you're suddenly going to locktown me for it

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

depends on who exactly it is but town in a vacuum

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I do thinks other than play mafia, irre.

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I'm townreading wh4t's conviction

which is different from her tunnel on me in which she absently pushed and did absolutely nothing with it

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I don't see why Wh4t "having conviction" that I said something I didn't say is towny

see

I scumread skitter because I've never seen her interact with people the way she has here before. I've already gone into what's different between her play when I've seen her as town and this is the first time I've actually done a legit ACTUAL push on her (sky's micro barely counts since I realized real quick afterwards that she was town)
I scumread you because I've never seen you interact with people the way you have here before. You aren't playing like you did in port arthur, you aren't playing like you did in the couple of games I read for reads practice that you were in (all were town).

there's a fundamental mindset shift between your play today and even the earlier days, and I legitimately don't understand how exactly I'm supposed to reconcile this in any way other than it's just a scum mindset considering I've seen this "no your reason for townreading X is not valid because this OTHER reason X is not town exists" when there's no direct correlation multiple times today???

am I supposed to just believe that you're locktown just because you say so when I'm getting the same impression from both heads that you're both playing bizarrely and I can see a pretty simple reason that scum!you would have that shift and not a whole lot of reason why town!you would have that shift? that's not even going into the fact that you've essentially put words in my mouth by giving the impression that I'm townreading her for what you're calling a misrep; I don't care what people say in actuality in most cases, I care about HOW they go about it and the way wh4t has been going about it does not indicate a scum mindset, I'm sorry.

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I feel like we literally reversed roles from port Arthur, irre

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

If you are legitimately scum this game, I'm going to be far less receptive to arguments like this from either of you in the future.

VOTE: Creature

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

pedit2: idk what you mean, ank

I thought Persivul was obvscum but nobody else agreed with me and the only reasons I was given for why he was town made absolutely no sense to me, so I had to blow all my credibility to just break his death proof

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I play on Couerl.

oh hey I play in brynhildr

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

yes I'm scum you got me

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

now help me double bus

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I'm pretty over it, it's very rare for me to get correctly townread unless I'm hard carrying anyways, and even then it's iffy

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

you're right

it's weird that my reads change as my reads change

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Sup?

-pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I'll try to remember but glancing back page 93 doesn't seem so much like town relly on tone.

Town relly is pretty composed usually and this game he seems pretty high strung and quick on the AtE

-pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I don't really get why you think wh4t is scum but to be clear I've only skimmed the last few pages rn

-pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Looking back I don't like wh4t's creature read

-pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

both my other heads are already convinced your slot is scum because pikachu caught something your hydra partner did that convinced them you were scum

i want ot know what this is

It's cause I don't think town relly loses his cool in a meme 3p heavy game, and a few pages of relly's posts seem really 'lost his cool'

-pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Yeah but this game is a joke so I don't get why you'd get tilted

Its like day 3 and I haven't seen a single skygazer or gamma post yet

How can you care about this game? LOL

-pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I can be wrong about relly. I'm fine with creature going today lol

Would also lynch whatever is in the ras slot

Of you're groupscum you're on track to endgame tho so it's worthwhile poking you a bit it I'm pretty sure the usevalue of the push is already gone

*shrug*

-pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I wrote up a rant but I deleted it because I think it really doesn't belong here

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I think the way YVG is unable/unwilling to account for the quickhammer and keeps coming up with new bad excuses while ignoring some of my questions on the subject is pretty scummy

-Irrel

Not to mention, you know, the quickhammer

-Irrel

Skitter, this was also some pretty bad posting lol

I started reevaluating relly around here and he hasn't really seemed wildly townie in the last 20 pages or so frankly

pushing pichu for the hammer seems almost as bad as you pushing me for "making up my read of relly" when I literally just said his overreactions were scummy a few pages ago

-pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I wasn't getting specific earlier because I was mobile posting, but if you want me to highlight every post from relly that seems bad I can do so even if I don't think he's today's lynch

-pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Doggos, I'm not sure I agree with locktowning 11:30 here but I'm fine with them not being today's lynch

-Pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

like it's not just this, it's ank making up stuff about me/prior games we played together and then ignoring past games when i pull them out to justify a scumread on me too

I definitely can produce the posts but it's just going to be a massive wall of relly quotes with me writing "awful" after every single one

-Pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Why is zeebu still alive anyway? Guess that's just proof there's no vigs

Zeebu or Creature for today? IDGAF either way, I might actually prefer zeebu since there's like 100% certainty that's not town

-Pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

you think zeebu is town piss?

-pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

oh because zeeb could be 3p or jester, whereas creature is more likely groupscum I think is the logic

I didn't say zeeb was 100% scum I said 100% not town

given we're talking about a 3p heavy game I'm a bit surprised you didn't notice the distinction but w/e

-pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

If you are legitimately scum this game, I'm going to be far less receptive to arguments like this from either of you in the future.

VOTE: Creature

~ Pichu

I mean we've been on Creature, skitter just wanted to have a talksy talk

who is not on Creature rn?

-Pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Lets please do that thing where we pursue our wincon

removing non-town factions helps our wincon too though, especially if removing the 3ps allows us to interact with the blocked off group of 3 players

I want to know more about how the setup is designed and knowing whether that slot is survivor or not does help, and given the way this game is going survivors are just going to turn into mafia traitors sooner than later

-pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

you apparently found something scummy from *before* his posting today

what are you talking about? I think you were null up until the 70s, and then relly started drifting into scum territory. I don't remember really scumreading you before this dayphase

-Pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

you could go either way, I don't really think you've townspewed but I also couldn't bring myself to read the mid 80s or early 90s so if you townspewed somewhere in there I just didn't see it lol

-pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I think you're probably wrong lol

-Pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

VOTE: creature again even that ugh we were already voting here

It's time for totodile to die

-pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

He is

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

alright, time to get serious.

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Toogeloo, you need to claim your actual role now, I don't buy for a second that you are a survivor and until given sufficient reason to believe otherwise, you're lockscum to me.

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

ElevenThirty is lockscum.

Assuming Toogeloo is also scum, then the other scum is either Rhinox or Auro.

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

of course you do.

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

today is 100% lylo or this game is a broken mess

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Toogeloo is 100% being lynched today barring EXTREME shenanigans

but I'd like to peg the third scum before the day ends

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

rhinox is probably scum

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

pisskop is obvtown

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

ElevenThirty + Rhinox + Toogeloo

I'm pretty sure that's the scumteam but I'll look back across the last couple days to double check

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

fuck the mechanical stuff

it's NOISE

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

there's already no point in a massclaim because we already have permanently lost a big chunk of the setup by not knowing what was up with the three people that left

so focusing on mechanics is a complete waste of time

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

plus I'm not buying for a second that the scumteam figured out a plan that can save him from being lockscummed for his survivor claim, I can easily buy any teammates of ElevenThirty/Rhinox/Auro being able to make a reasonably useable claim to save him from that

and the fact that you didn't immediately peg that is ?????

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

that the scumteam didn't*

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I don't buy that the scumteam haven't planned around Toogeloo being lockscummed for the survivor claim, every possible scum has the ability to do that

so

focusing on massclaim over raw hunting is both very unlikely to be any use to the game (again because we have no idea what was up with the three absent slots) and is very likely to have been planned out in advance by the scumteam

wanting a massclaim before doing literally anything is scummy

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

i don't get what you're trying to say

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

also it might be mass-claim day?

also i was going to vote wh4t so i'm not sure where to go next

also it might be lylo idk

~ skitter

rhinox is probably scum

~ Pichu

could be, could be

i want to sort out the mechanical stuff first tho, starting with toog claiming

~ skitter

?

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

why does that need to be sorted before doing anything else

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

why does that need to be sorted before doing anything else

~ Pichu

There's nothing to sort tbh

Toog is certainly not neutral survivor here

....................................

alignments?

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Toogeloo, you need to claim your actual role now,

I don't buy for a second that you are a survivor and until given sufficient reason to believe otherwise, you're lockscum to me.

~ Pichu

you literally had the exact same thought process as me

so what's the point of this question

~ skitter

....................no?

I pushed toogeloo into the pressure point of the spotlight and then moved to find his scumpartners

why would you need to wait for him to confirm himself as scum before hunting for his partners?

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

because you literally said it skitter

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

rhinox is probably scum

~ Pichu

pisskop is obvtown

~ Pichu

ftr my head kinda wants to flip these two reads as of this particular moment but still thinking about all the flips

-pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

mastina claim first so we don't waste our time with a bunch of bullshit? please tell me you're loyal?

-pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

YAYVIDEOGAMES, pisskop, ElevenThirty, mastina, Toogeloo, Rhinox, Auro

who the fuck did auro replace again

yay town, mastina town, toog survivor, rhinox town

scum piss

alisae and pichu both think 11:30 is scum but I just don't want to even fucking touch it until mastina claims

look into auro-slot

-pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

auro replaced voted --> auro = scum?

piss+auro?

-pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

voted almost exclusively voted flipped town I wanna say for the entire game? could be unlucky given the game's reads are kinda shitty but still

-pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I guess I'm gonna be the odd man out in thinking that there could be three "must do some random bullshit with a double vig" third parties and also a neutral survivor in a game that "has a lot of third parties"

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I'd like claims from Piss, Auro, Mastina in whatever order and then we can popcorn from there -- my personal preference

-Pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

if mastina is just a normal fruit vendor, maybe then. Until she claims I frankly dgaf

-Pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Ah shit Auro is conftown, damn.

:3

-Pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

pisskop

what the actual fuck

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

are you actually scum?

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

unvote

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

90% of the day phases in this situation is a 1v1 between 1130 and my slot

and mastina is almost ALWAYS town

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

actually here's something productive

what are your overall reads, assuming 3 scum are alive

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Mastina is IC here yes

pisskop how/when do you think you obvtowned?

-Pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

what's that rhinox

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

~Pichu btw

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I made a post
That means I did something!
VOTE: ElevenThirty

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

ftr

we have a theory for what happened with the three slots that left

the play is ElevenThirty -> LIKELY Rhinox

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

but ElevenThirty is ALWAYS scum this game

skitter's posting this day phase is very very fake

there's a lot of stuff throughout the game that outlines how weird they've been all game and I still don't really understand why creature had to be lynched over them

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

if 1130 is town, then this game was 100% doomed from the start

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

11:30 would you like to claim?

-Pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Yeah I agree it's 4-2-1 probably, that's why it feels like quasi-mountainous because only 2 scum.

-Pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Cause if toog trueclaimed anymore he'd be accused of trust-telling

he's literally trueclaimed every day page 1 in every game I've played with him

and I highly doubt he gambits survivor first time he rolls scum vs me

-Pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Look at the number of vanillas

there were three third-parties that only had a goal of shooting toog or something

everyone else so far is vanilla

only tpr to date is old dogs as a 2-shot roleblocker in a game where mastina gets an extremely delayed one-shot vig whose recipient in the meme of the game is selected by the scum

third party survivor acts as half-traitor, three flipless third parties is like a massive amount of wifom

if there was a total of 4 third party roles in this game, then yeah, I think 2 groupscum is likely

btw me and pichu aren't exactly on the same page here so sorry if I contradict stuff she says later

-Pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

3rd kill is almost certainly from the 3 flipless 3parties imo

They probably had to guess a non-town and got a one-shot vig on that night

-Pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Toog in anime upick:

Subject: Anime U-Pick: King Size [SEASON FINALE...?]

Hello.

I'm a Priest, so if we get someone at L-1, I'll gladly confirm. Of course, I could be a scum Priest, but at least the mechanical inability to hammer will be confirmed.

first post of the game

all true

Subject: Anime U-Pick: King Size [SEASON FINALE...?]

I'm in one out of game Channel. Channel 5. It's kind of quiet, only 11 non-mod posts.

Members include:
Super Smash Bros Fan
Chito and Yuuri
Robert2424
Near X Mello
Kokichi Oma
Toogeloo

Might have more members, but if there are they haven't posted.

The posts there are mostly fluff, and not sure if anyone in there is actually interested in figuring out our connection. Anyone else's channels somewhat active?

second post, outs the next half of his role

Subject: Anime U-Pick: King Size [SEASON FINALE...?]

Actually, that'd be N3

I meant more in the sense that N2 is a bit of a drastic night.

For example, on Night 2 for me, if anyone targets me for any reason, I die. But only on Night 2.

iso 22, he reveals that literally any visiting town in the game can vig him if they want LOL

why does he claim this?

because he's fucking Toog

-Pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

how on earth did you get to this conclusion

why else would the three flipless 3parties leave the game the same night there's three kills?

Until mastina claimed wh4t I thought they had a double vig and had to hit two different factions or something, but looks more like they just had to hit one non-town or something

and zeebu easily fits a "non town" guess given how far into the game we were; mastina did wh4t, groupscum did old dogs

doesn't seem that complicated but then again I do deal with a lot of silly setups lol

-Pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

OK cool, we're VT so I was just kinda thinking given the number of VTs that this was like, a heavy VT game/quasi mountainous

You think your role is strong enough to preclude there only being 2 groupscum?

And you think town only has two non-vts?

-Pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I'm Krazy and no, this isn't my scum meta. If this was my scum meta, I wouldn't even be posting right now

What do you think my scum meta is anyway?

-Krazy

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

what do three kills have to do with the three flipless 3parties leaving ...

like why are we assuming the three kills are connected to the 3parties leaving

i assumed they needed to do/accomplish {some undisclosed thing} by n3 and that if that didn't happen they lost or something along those lines

I mean obviously we can't know for sure, they're flipless, it's meant to be guessed over.

But why would it not? There's no way this game also has a SK that didn't shoot the entire game, they were all clearly third party flipless, and they left the game in defeat from flipped town.

They had three days to decide who a non-town player was, then they had to vig that player, if they fail they lose the game. Putting three players in a quasi-town, quasi-3p box sounds like the exact type of thing schadd would do so that the game as a whole wasn't overwhelmed with third-party roles that could scumside, but also weren't conventional SKs.

Trust me, schadd has reviewed ALL of my large theme games, and I have a pretty good intuitive sense of what sort of gamefeel he wants. I could be wrong here but I'm probably not.

-Krazy

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

More Toog:

Subject: Overkill 2: A Blood-Thirsty Stallone Themed Game

I am reporting that I have a negative utility to town.
I can ONLY hammer, and if I place a vote that isn't the hammer, I will be modkilled.

---
I will openly claim now as well. I am

THE

Sylvester Stallone. I am not one of his characters he's played, but the actual person as my role. As the actual person, I must have final say in the lynch," i.e. I can only hammer. Don't ask why the mod chose to make my role and flavor as it is, I don't know. Don't ask me to vote if it's not the hammer, it won't happen.

Trueclaims, commits suicide fairly quickly through this mech

-Krazy

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I'm Pikachu? I said I thought relly overreacting and getting tilted was kinda scummy given this game is clearly lulzy. But in our hydra I'm the only one right now that isn't totally locked on you being scum

-Krazy

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

also mastina's role is just like .... on a very different scale than ours/old dogs?

what does this mean?

Loud visitor is a nothing role in terms of balance, the only thing notable is the one-shot vig she got for night 3 and that was probably given to her by the scum

-Krazy

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

ok so do i have this right: you think the three of them had to vig non-town by n3 and that if they did they won the game ? otherwise they lost ?

and teh best shot they could come up with was zeebu (and not, you know, the guy that claimed 3p?)

Yeah that's my theory; I guess they probably had to go for groupscum? You're right that not shooting Toog probably means they had to hit the main groupscum faction and not 3p.

Actually if scum are informed that the three 3party roles were going to get a kill n3 that would be the only scenario I could see toog claiming survivor but I think he trueclaims at least 80% of the time here

-Krazy

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

any examples of scum!him doing that?

(also it was p consensus that zeebu wasn't groupscum at that point so like ... that's a p dumb shot to take if that was their wincon)

Was he?

Obviously it was a bad shot, whatever they did they failed their wincon so that it was a bad shot is self-evident.

-Krazy

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I didn't say zeeb was 100% scum I said 100% not town

depends who they were listening to?

if Gamma decided that he knew I was Krazy or if Sky thought that Ank was okay with my read of zeeb then it's plausible that they would risk a shot there.

If so, SORRY GUYS! LOL

-Krazy

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I was given a Loud Fruit Vend power D1; Old Dogs was N1, you N2, 11:30 N3. I was given a Visitor power D2; Voted was both N2 and N3. N3, I was gifted an X-shot Vig; I shot Wh4t.

yeah actually that's a good question, mastina why did you visit Voted twice? also did you start with multitasking or did you get that gifted at some point?

-Krazy

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

it was p obvious that zeebu wasn't groupscum; his whole unclaim never unravels that way if he has partners who can talk to him

idk man, maybe the trifecta was aware of a specific role in the game they had to kill? I don't know, all I know is they exited the game the same night that someone died from an unaccounted source, they lost, and occam's razor says the two are connected. Beyond that there's no way of knowing for sure what exact wincon they had that they failed to achieve given we didn't actually get their flip. But that's the simplest explanation to me unless you think there's an SK that never shot the entire game LOL

-Krazy

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

i still don't like this reason for scumreading us and am not convinced that you didn't make it up

I literally hydra'd with Relly in Boondom Menace, I have played vs him as scum, I have played with him as town, all on multiple accounts and in a variety of gamestates, and his reactions to a game *this silly* really surprised me.

But then again Pichu has been taking the game seriously enough to actually get frustrated on occasion so... *shrug*

-Krazy

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

UNVOTE:

sure

although at some point you'll need to give me enough of your claim that I understand why you think it can even be 3-3-1 because given how little town power we have that seems unlikely for what still to me is a quasi-mountainous

-k

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Well at least I can be confident that Relly is not pretending to be you

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Of course not, I was just giving you shit about the hydra slip

-k

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

btw have I told you that I think your hydra name is really clever? It's so random and so cute

-k

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

idk, mastina is probably the only person on site that I could see not shooting until night 3 as an SK.

That she got a vig shot and used it is frankly surprising, given that she always says she never shoots as vig

-k

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I just don't see how an SK fits into the setup really

town would need more stuff

-k

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

why do you need to wait for relly anyway? isn't this just conventional massclaim day?

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Yeah but in previous mbos there's some sort of limitation on killing the person you give power to for the scum, so it makes sense to dump more stuff onto one person if you are allowed to do so

I don't think conditional BP + visitor + 2-shot rber + one-shot vig is enough that it guarantees there's 4 non-town living players. It's possible but I'm thinking 3 non-town are alive right now and there could plausibly be only 2 group scum. Or the setup is conventional and there's 3 groupscum. *shrug*

who hasn't claimed yet? piss and who else?

-k

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

in one of the last ones I couldn't kill people the same night I put them in a PT

so you couldn't put town in a tracker pt and kill them the same night thus denying the tracker result

so given there's no pts here, it would make sense that scum can't kill the people they give power to

-k

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

yeah mastina was pretty obviously getting power from scum

you might have been getting power from the third party leavers?

-k

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

No idea really though, that's all deep dark whole of setup spec that seems kinda pointless to answer anyway

why do you think the power is from different sources? just cause it different?

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Ftr

Mastina is provably locktown and is 100% off the table until the end of the game

You are wasting your time trying to read her.

~Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

The only proof you need is that this slot didn't die N1 to prove that we are scum together if she's scum

And we aren't scum together because wh4t is a garbage kill for us

So mastina is locktown

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Oh I get it. You always read mastina correctly and feel completely confident again here. Sure, I'm willing to agree that the only way mastina is scum is if you're not town.
Toog is either scum or there's only 2 groupscum, right? Is that where we're all collectively at? We think toog is the optimal lynch.

If we were going off reads, I'd lynch pisskop rn. More on that in a bit

-Irrel

Anyone believe that this is in any way a town response?

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Btw I've changed my mind, Toog is not a good lynch at all today

It's always between 1130 and us today

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Because you swept it under the rug without acknowledging the logic after a pretty high key discredit?

~Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Quote it

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

??????

Why wouldn't we want to lynch confirmed scum over a 3p

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

You literally discredited my entire point about her and immediately, in the same post, went on like none of it mattered in the slightest

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Mechanics don't matter, hunt.

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

This is a hell of a long buildup for the obvious answer that is still not useful to the game because toog is not the correct lynch today

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

50th reminder that we have no way of knowing what was up with the role additions or the 3 players that just left

This game literally cannot be solved mechanicall

Mechanics talk is literally a waste of time

HUNT

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

toog is not the correct lynch today

Yes he is.
Without shifting attention onto a different player you would like to present as scummy, please explain logically what makes my logic re:[toog is optimal lynch] untrue.

We've all been saying it all game: 3Ps can't come to lylo.
If tomorrow's lylo, toog can't come.
If today's lylo, it's because toog is scum.

What makes toog the incorrect lynch today?

-Irrel

1. If he is 3p, getting rid of him gets rid of a town via NK. No gain. Scum potentially might have a kill. Instant loss.
2. If he is scum, he's very likely the traitor. He is unrecruited and there is no reason to recruit him. No gain.
3. If he is group scum, he just dies last. No loss.

What do we gain by killing him again?

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Note that if you believe Toog is a survivor, you are literally likely taking a situation where it's lylo with a survivor and replacing it with a situation where it's lylo without a survivor, except scum get an extra NK.

THAT IS A LOSS FOR TOWN

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Rhinox why didn't you claim ascetic as soon as you knew you had it?
-pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Aww you two are so cute

Promise me you'll hug when this game is over ok?

-pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Net loss over game loss btw

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Yet you're treating toog as scum.

And no, I'm not interested in letting you decide who the town makeup is when we have our 1v1 by lynching a slot that has very low odds of pushing my win condition forward.

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Like

I guarantee mastina dies tonight if we lynch toog, exactly because she is the most likely person in this lobby to side with us

And THEN 1130 will be ready to 1v1 us

Not interested.

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Still want to know:
Why mastina targeted voted twice
Why mastina took her shot
Why rhinox didn't claim ascetic earlier

I know reads are going hard but I still want to know those things

-pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I mean the question is why you feel super underwhelming this game

-DJK

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Remind me how you're not ascetic anymore?

-k

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Can you ask the mod if you're still ascetic because based on what you said I think you're still ascetic?

-k

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I do think it's fair to think that receiving actions in different phases is probably receiving from different factions. Receiving in twilight id probably from scum, receiving during day is probanly from the trifecta.

-k

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Hi confirming I'm here so that it's less weird when the pile on never happens

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Auro how do you feel about rolling scum this game?

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I have nothing left to say, Alisae has nothing left to say, and Krazy is vla

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Probably, but I expect his lynch to have no positive impact on the game

I also expect I won't be listened to by anyone by suggesting otherwise

So I'm basically in idontgiveashit land because I know how this game plays out from here

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

This basically feels like yesterday when I tried to push for ElevenThirty lynch and got raked over the coals by like 5 different slots that creature was obvscum and the lynch for the day

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

(Hint: Town doesn't win here)

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

skitter you're a cool cat you know that?

<3

-Pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

mastina do you think you could choose this game to be one that you answer a few questions about?

-Pika pika

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

from disc:

btw if skitter is legit town somehow
then she completely forgot that my brain goes 500 mph when situations like that happen
and I drop thought processes just as fast as I get them
but sadly that's actually plausible since her last games with me were blake games
and I don't do that on blake
that's roughly the answer to skitter's question

-pikachu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Auro why do you keep rolling scum against me?

-K

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

Why should I be doing that? LOL

-K