Micro 880: A Normal Game - Game Over!

[skitter30]

alright skitter indulge me here

If I am town.

What is your solve then?

because dunn/kop is not a compelling argument since that means they let town run me up to l1 twice and didnt hammer or even give intent when all eyes were on me and it was reasonable to for a hammer

actually ill make this post

these posts are connected

if you have any questions ask but i cant promise i can be assed to answer at this point

ill give you a clue

there is an implication of me wanting my buddies to bus if im scum here

i read this post like three times and i have no idea what you're trying to say

[skitter30]

again the first post is in the context of arguing why you're town

[skitter30]

ill rephrase

mrs skitter whats your solve? i know you think its me + dunn/kop but here's why your solve can't be me + dunn/kop since I would've told them to hammer me and they would have been praised!

i don't get what you're trying to say here, sorry

[skitter30]

If Dunn isn't exactly doing anything then he's dead weight, your scum reading him based on that, but if you voted for him, and others seen that vote, it might make people follow or accept that he needs pressure. Dunn can be in the frame of mind by reading the thread, seeing no votes on him, notices a few questions towards him but that's it, he can coast through because he knows that Oka is getting most of the attention. But as soon as Dunn sees a vote, and another person follows, he's going to actively have to do something, he's going to have to say something, but you were only lightly pressuring him and allowed him to go page after page after page and just sit on the sidelines whilst town are fighting with Oka

I like how you're making it *my* responsibility to get dunn to play (i.e. as opposed to pressuring him or leveling this complaint against the other several people who have noted that dunn is doing nothing)

[skitter30]

Lich I'm not 100% sure, I don't think he's scum based on his contradictions. I can't see scum playing so loosely. I know I mentioned about the contradictions and said when does that tell stop, but I wanted to see what Skitter thought about it and has she not taken any other perceiving angle on it apart from town play carefree. I've not got a interest in voting there at this time, unless something changes.

This is not an accurate representation of my read on tl, try again

[skitter30]

I actually do have a solid townread-ish on skitter

I tried a dirty method to get her to vote with me but it didnt work

so im just meh

Care to elaborate on what the 'dirty method' here refers to?

And would you consider it superior to the clean method where you try to get people to vote TemporalLich which also isn't really working, or is this an incredibly low bar for determining askitter's alignment?

it can't have been both easy adn hard to hammer you; apparently which it was is dependant on what you're trying to argue at the time

It's Schrödinger's hammer

The first bit is uhhhh kinda bad

The second bit - and do you not see a problem with that or ... ?

[skitter30]

No offense but i dont think your read on me is real

And i'm not sure why you think that conversing with me further wont be beneficial or why you've made up your mind - your read suddenly seems a lot stronger than you've been presenting it as

[skitter30]

I'm very good at being stubborn and the chances that would have worked is fairly close to zero

@cfj ehat do you think of dunn rn?

I will be around for another hour or so and then not till after deadline; i'm willing to change my vote to dunn (or maybe kop) but if it doesnt happen in the next hour i will be unable to change it again

(I thought that deadline was a little later, sorry)

[skitter30]

I think his push on me is p bad (particularly the last page or so)

[skitter30]

Can Lich give his result, and kop say who he mailmanned?

I still feel p strongly that oka is scum

Also i think that kop thinking that a mailman has to be town-aligned is probably a townslip if he actually is a mailman (i.e. a mailman is proven to exist)

Also hi nsg, it's been a while

[skitter30]

Fire is your role anything that would explain why tl got a no-result? Otherwise scum presumably have some sort of rb

[skitter30]

Fire is your role anything that would explain why tl got a no-result? Otherwise scum presumably have some sort of rb

Also would explain tl not dying

I have no objections to mass claim

Tl u probably should have checked oka

[skitter30]

skitter, if you were an investigative would you check your bottom read?

In this gamestate, where several people suspect him and knowing his alignment would shed *quite* a lot of clarity on the game, yes

[skitter30]

^^^^^

He'd have to produce a neighbor and/or mason

[skitter30]

Right, so why were you worried about oka being a ta miller ... ?

[skitter30]

Whatever, oka is scum, tl is town, let's do this mass-claim thing

[skitter30]

I really really dont think ur town here
The one thing that's slightly making me wonder is why u didnt just kill me tho

[skitter30]

Cuz i've been going after you since like ... p5 i think

And if i'm dead tl becomes more lynchable too

[skitter30]

Barring pr-mandated kills, scum!me kills people based on how annoying they'd be to work around

[skitter30]

I.e. during the day

[skitter30]

Yes

[skitter30]

What else would u base it on even?

[skitter30]

I sent a message to Callforjudgement, I was torn between her or Lich, but with Lich claiming what he had, I thought he would have been the one that was targeted.

So the fact that you happened to send it to the person who died makes me slightly more dubious of ur claim

Should we set up an order for mass-claim? Or should i just go next?

[skitter30]

Yes, but sa kinda failed to do that

[skitter30]

No. I'm traveling out of state until Sunday night.

@sa when i read this i thought u meant you'd be less active between now and then, that's why i didnt ask you; it seems i misunderstood what you meant, sorry

[skitter30]

Vt, nsg

[skitter30]

yo skitter if nsg says im town will u be like ok oka's town for today ~

idk, nsg is one of the partners i'm considering

[skitter30]

Skitter im not v/la. Just don't have time to sit down and read the 20 pages or so that I missed at end of day.

You and firebringer both claimed vt thought so it's whatever I guess.

yeah i misunderstood that, sorry

[skitter30]

i think this is confirmation bias but i think skitter is the most likely to make a kill on CFJ. I didn't say that earlier because I thought "well anyone would kill CFJ, right?" but my head keeps coming back to it.

no ?
why would i kill cfj there

[skitter30]

i think i just want skitter to be scum lol

yeah i think so

[skitter30]

i think this is confirmation bias but i think skitter is the most likely to make a kill on CFJ. I didn't say that earlier because I thought "well anyone would kill CFJ, right?" but my head keeps coming back to it.

no ?
why would i kill cfj there

CFJ is usually the voice of reason, he lightly suspected u, was widely townread (which last point means could be anyone).

i mean if i were killing people for suspecting me it would not have been cfj

prob would have killed nsg unless i'd been scum with her; i think i could have worked around anyone else here as scum

i ahven't thought about ti too much tho

[skitter30]

i mean scum apaprently have some sort of rb so

[skitter30]

not super vibing it

[skitter30]

@skitter, who are your townreads and could you summarize why you think oka is scum?

reads are something like:

{tl}
{fire, kop*}
{sa}
{nsg}
{oka}

kop is conditional on mailman actually existing (which nobody claimed?), otherwise on same tier as you
you mgiht be on the same tier as sa, idk actually

strongly dislike oka's push on tl; i feel like he decided tl was scum and then made up reasons for it later; his reasoning is not internally consistent and i feel ike he contradicts himself in some places;
dislike his push (?) on me yesterday, where he apparently had the thought process of: i will pressure skitter to vote with me by saying i scumread her and then voting her which is just uhhhhh ok then

do u have any reads ?

[skitter30]

wait this is so stupid

they could've shot lich and roleblocked kop?

y roleblock kop tho

right i forgot he sent it to cfj? if it actually exists and is proven another night i think he's town; i think he kinda townslipped by indicating he thought mailmen could only be town; it's a weird thought process to fake as scum

not super interested in kop today really

[skitter30]

i really don't think u are

[skitter30]

idk

maybe you thought he was lynchable, i really don't know

[skitter30]

i think scum with an rb block tl probably and kill {whoever else}

[skitter30]

anyways i would like to hear nsg's reads

[skitter30]

why does this show that *you're* town, and not just show that scum made what you think are suboptimal night actions

[skitter30]

that's basically why sa is where he is, and not lower @nsg

it was a stronger townread earlier, but it's the sort that kind of deflates over time if it's not getting reinforced, if you know what i mean; and the posts that prompt this sort of read didn't really happen towards the end of the day, but rather earlier in his iso; i hope that makes sense, if it doesn't i'll try to explain again

(nominally i also don't know if sa knows/remembers who the alts were in that game, actually)

firebringer because:

1. i don't think he's scum with oka
2. he feels more serious/solve-y/into the game than in jazz mafia, where he was scum
3. his thought process kinda holistically makes sense to me

who are your townreads?

[skitter30]

like you cant be serious

what scum would choose to decide meh

I dont feel like killing the town investigative who hard suspects me and will probably vote me

nah

im going to kill someone else and not come up with a plan to put doubt into the validity of their claim so they can sit on me all day as i drown

but you can block him so his invest won't work ... ?

[skitter30]

nsg one of the reasons your slot is so low is because i see reasons to townread anyone else and i don't really think any incarnation of your slot towntold really

singleton i dont' remember
tw made like ... one good post that i'm not sure was ai
oversoul didn't do anytihng townie

[skitter30]

temp is basically an ic; town doesnt have enough power otherwise

[skitter30]

SKITTER STOP SCUMREAD ME I AM IC NUMBER TWO

no, you're not

if you're capable of coming up with a reason for i should be townreading you for last night's deaths/actions, you're fully capable of, you know, actually implementing it as scum so that you can use it as proof of you being town the enxt day, which, incidentally, is what you're doing

[skitter30]

i'm really hard to lynch!

(i've been mislynched exactly twice and both times i was v/la, and the last time was more than a year ago)

nsg i want your townreads!

[skitter30]

LOOK AT OLD GAMES IN MINI NORMAL ARCHIVE OF 9P GAMES TO SEE WHETHER SCUM MAILMAN MIGHT MAKE SENSE BUT IDK

again i'm p sure he townslipped if hte mailman is real

i was a mason-mailman once

[skitter30]

FIREBRINGER WANT TO LYNCH SKITTER FOR THE LULZ

let's not!

incidentally i think u saying this is scummy!

[skitter30]

so many bad posts, sigh

i also incidentally think oka is better at scum than town and comes across as more scummy as town than vice versa

i also think he's solve-y as town and here he just feels fake-solve-y

nsg do u have a read on me ?

[skitter30]

i'm talking about your original scumread on tl feeling fake

[skitter30]

yes, i'm aware

i'm not sure why you're pushing that it's irrelevant, it still happened

the fact that it happened like a week ago isn't relevant to me

[skitter30]

i don't know what you think i'm ignoring

[skitter30]

maybe i'm tunneled idk

i acknowledge it could be a possibility

i still think ur day1 interactions with tl were awful

i also don't know where else scum is so

[skitter30]

so i'm kinda stuck on the awful bit and it makes me think you made it up because it really just didn't make sense holistically

[skitter30]

ok so tell me where scum is if it isn't you

[skitter30]

idk the fact that you are working p hard to get me to townread you is causing some doubts

i think other than you nsg's slot is the worst

again what do you thinka bout the fact that i think kop's mailman thing may have been a townslip

i'm going to bed now but we can pick this up later

[skitter30]

SKITTER I THINK IF I WERE SCUM I WOULD TRY AND BE MORE SUBTLE ABOUT TRYING TO GET YOU TO TOWNREAD ME INSTEAD OF DIRECTLY TALKING TO YOU IN ALL CAPS TO TOWNREAD ME

I know, that's why i'm rethinking this, like i said

And yeah, i think kop's thing was a townslip if a mailman exists

[skitter30]

Dunns role is pretty strong in a micro.

Not strong enough i'm p sure

[skitter30]

[quote="In post 1411, OkaPoka"][/quote]

this isn't a townslip

[skitter30]

asdFAasdf!@#!@# READ GAME! IF HAVE QUESTION ASK ME !

Can you walk me through temps thought process behind that post he made?

Temp can you walk me through why you think youre an IC?

try reading where claiming started, I claimed Traffic Analyst and got a NR on Firebringer, and the claims from other people seem to support this.

So because you claimed a role mixed with because you say so. Youre not confirmed.

temp is basically an ic; town doesnt have enough power otherwise

Dunns role is pretty strong in a micro.

But it wouldn't town confirm you. And not to mention, you could potentially end up recruiting scum into your neighbourhood, and it wouldn't make you any less town read.

So it's not as strong as your suggesting, yeah you can prove your role, but not necessarily your alignment.

a) you don't know what a friendly neighbor is, apparently

b) what do you think of the fact that i think you townslipped

[skitter30]

maybe skitter is scum because she seems so apathetic to putting together a solve and skitter doesnt strike me as the type to be apathetic to solving

skitter it feels like ur not efforting here.

i'm not really, i'm burnt out and i'm going on hiatus when my games are over

[skitter30]

i'm maybe slightly less burnt out then i was then

still p burnt out tho

i think kop is town, don't think i'd vote him today. same with tl

i'm maybe rethinking oka but i still think he's scummy

fire is probably town and i don't want to vote sa rn either

VOTE: nsg, i guess

i don't think she's scummy in particular but i haven't found a reason to townread any incarnation of her slot and i have a reason to townread nearly everyone else rn (barring oka, who i'm willing rn to try to re-evaluate)

[skitter30]

i played a game with him where he was scum and he feels different here; he feels mroe solve-y + is displaying original thought processes

it's been weakening as time goes on tho, the read; maybe when he's back and plays more it will feel stronger idk

[skitter30]

idk i'm not really feeling that rn

[skitter30]

i am pretty apathetic to this game at this point skitter.

i mean ok, thanks for sharing

@oka oversoul gutpinged me the wrong way but i don't have anyway to explain why or how better rn

i'm not sure nsg not-efforting is ai

like i think scum!her rarely, if ever, efforts

town!her does sometimes and doesn't other times

so it's not really a reliable indicator, i think

[skitter30]

ehhhhh was that an l-1 vote on you?

if so, it was p oppurtunistic actually

[skitter30]

she does low-effort as town too sometimes

the efforting is not ai; i'm fairly confident and have seen lurking/replace-out nsg multiple times as town

it's pretty common in her scumgames but it also happens in her towngames, albeit less commonly

[skitter30]

look at micro 873. she flaked out

[skitter30]

wasn't that when she did a site wide flake?

idk how active she was elsewhere atm

i mean is she posting elsewhere on site now ... ? i haven't checked

[skitter30]

ok

[skitter30]

anyways i odn't think it's a great metric to read her

that's not why i'm voting her rn

[skitter30]

what do u think of the fact that i think kop townslipped ?

[skitter30]

are u talking about him posting that mailman is a town only role?

yes

[skitter30]

i don't feel like he's the type of player to do that tho

[skitter30]

->gets mailman, is slightly confused by what it means then goes on wiki to look it up s

ees that it might be town only

for +town points so exposes info

if he's scum how can he possibly believe this tho

[skitter30]

i don't know rn, i'm working on it

i think fire is least likely to be scum out of those four, then sa

[skitter30]

that's what prompted me to vote nsg

[skitter30]

i don't know if you/nsg are a team

sure

[skitter30]

well tw's iso is kinda useless, i think

[skitter30]

i mean from my pov obviously

[skitter30]

VOTE: Oka

i'm wondering if this could be distancing

[skitter30]

his hard tr of cfj might point to him suggesting cfj kill and dipping?

yeah i thought this

kop is sweetnsassy right?

i think they may have been going for lynchbait

[skitter30]

that's maybe the towniest post you've made in a while

[skitter30]

i'm really not intersted in kop today

she probably just flaked tbh

[skitter30]

Huh

[skitter30]

There was the singleball comment which wasn't really a crazy huge deal and was kind of explained anyway. Then there was his temp stance which kinda sounded like it could be scum who either didn't want his lynchbait buddy pressured or didn't want to be caught pushing an easy target.

I personally think it's skitter/temp. I can see that team coming up with temp's claim. But I know the support isn't there so if I'm forced to compromise north is probably my next choice. General consensus seems to be that temp has to be town. If everyone is right but me (and maybe firebringer), north has a good chance of being scum.

Again, the singleball thing made *a lot* of sense given prior games

[skitter30]

Yes and ?

[skitter30]

I dont get it

[skitter30]

I'm only town by postcount in singleball tho

[skitter30]

I'm not sure i understand your point

[skitter30]

hot take: firebringer flipping scum means skitter might be scum too

How did u arrive to this conclusion?

[skitter30]

do u have an idea what t_w was tlaking about in postcount makes u town

Uh yes

[skitter30]

I can often be read on postcount and wim; often if i'm scum i feel like i need to force myself to post

[skitter30]

I'm sometimes capable of faking otherwise, apparently

I absolutely felt that way for most of the game

[skitter30]

Accurate but nai; i can see it coming from him as both alignments

[skitter30]

Dislike the post on u, the post on sa was fine

Dislike that i had to prod her like four times to get her to out the actual reads tho

[skitter30]

Not really

Or there's one thing i think is interesting to talk about but i want nsg to post first

[skitter30]

If she's flaking, neither, she'll just flake

[skitter30]

Yeah

Kinda makes me question the wagon tbh

[skitter30]

?

[skitter30]

I was thinking that maybr i'll join the next one

[skitter30]

yeah it seems people are on the nsg wagon due to lack of effort, I don't get it tbh

This isnt an accurate representation of whhi'm voting where i am

[skitter30]

always love "lol scum because not posting" though, that's fun.

Do u think this is why i'm voting you?

[skitter30]

i think i'm going to use the start of this day as a starting point (along with ISOs) and if you don't like that then you'll have to deal with it or point me to specific things that you'd like me to look at.

Also, again, do u have a read on me?
If yes, what is it?

[skitter30]

yeah im reading game!!!

like i'm kinda wondering what happened to this

[skitter30]

This is getting slightly ridiculous, but waiting for nsg is kinda killing the gamestate

If she gets prodded again i might go back, or ask that she get replaces

While that's happening, i think its time to firm up my read elsewhere

VOTE: sleepless

Hi. Why dont i townread you anymore? Who is scum? What do you think of the stalled gamestate

[skitter30]

Hi. Probably because I'm having trouble keeping up. I think it's you and temp but if everyone is right that temps claim is unfakable for some reason, I think north is scum. I don't see a stalled gamestate. I see more posting than I can keep up with.

I feel like very little has been posted since we've all been waiting for nsg - have you still been having trouble keeping up during this time?

[skitter30]

Hi. Probably because I'm having trouble keeping up. I think it's you and temp but if everyone is right that temps claim is unfakable for some reason, I think north is scum. I don't see a stalled gamestate. I see more posting than I can keep up with.

I feel like very little has been posted since we've all been waiting for nsg - have you still been having trouble keeping up during this time?

also do you think i'm town if temp is ?

[skitter30]

i am voting !

for just that reason even !

[skitter30]

I'm not sure i like this plan

[skitter30]

All of the hullabaloo about nobody doing anything and these things to get people to do things seem a little faked to me and don't actually seem like sorting.

Tbf the game has been stalling and dead-ish. I'm not that him trying to get the the game moving is ai in any way, so much as an indicator that he's bored

Not sure i like this push really

Are you keeping up with the game as it's happening ?

[skitter30]

I think nsg's Oka vote is town-motivated

I still think Oka's townslipped with his scum strategy posts, but nsg's case raises interesting questions

Why do u think her vote is town- motivated?

[skitter30]

@skitter – you asked if i thought you were voting me based on postcount alone. no, and i've lost the tabs now, but there were a few posts to that nature which were among the first i read, which of course stuck in my mind.

as for my read on you – i don't know if anyone's told you this, but your posting style is a lot different than i remember! i don't think there's anything in your ISO that would lead me to townread you the same way i did back in chibibear's game. i don't particularly find anything AI about your push on oka, and given your typical rationale for nightkills i wonder if the CFJ kill might have come from you. ducky townread you and is apparently pretty good at reading you but i'm not sure how much of this game he really got into, and i'm not sure if i can really agree with you saying that he townread you off of postcount / wim this game.

do you think i should be townreading you?

Few things:

A) i think my posting stylr has changed a lot ! Plus i'm burnt out rn and low-effort. Not sure whether u should be townreading me, i was more trying to prod you to share more reads

B) scum!me probably kills you last night. If you werent in the game it well could have been cfj

C) ducky said that's why he was townreading me - it's not me saying that's why he townread me. After he said that i said that this was a good way to approach to reading me

[skitter30]

kop is another slot that i don't really trust – both the role and the night action are suspicious, and CFJ's kill makes sense in more ways than one given scum!kop.
i also remember from watchmen wanted a while back that i caught scum kop based on disengagement and weird sentence structure (before he replaced out and i kind of dropped my read), which i've kind of noticed here.

. Again, i think kop townslipped

[skitter30]

oka why are you making a scumcase against yourself

I actually think its townie in a weird way

[skitter30]

8 days we've waited for you to give reads and read, this game's d2 is moving at a snail's pace so its not exactly hard to keep up.

Right,i'm confused how/why sleepless feels like this gamestate is nothing moving too fast

[skitter30]

Skitter can you sort nsg during lylo?

Idk, it depends on if she posts

[skitter30]

skitter i need you think, and think a lot about this

Why do you think scum killed CFJ and roleblocked Temporal Lich and did not claim PRs during massclaim?

I'm not sure where you're going with this

[skitter30]

ive scumcased myself before, its more of saying "you didn't even do this WELL"

Idk, so you'de saying i shouldnt be townreading thta?

[skitter30]

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

how is them sports teams guys?

P good actually!

[skitter30]

It feels like she's focusing on nai stuff to scumcase him with

[skitter30]

Same difference really

[skitter30]

i feel like more people need to be cognizant of the fact that

a) we are running out of time

b) we are one mislynch away from lylo

c) two slots haven't read the game and don't actively appear to be trying to

c ii) our lylo situation will be absolutely fucked on a ML today, esp if its a no info lynch and seeing the general activity trends, yeah its going to be low info.

Nsg why oughtnt i be voting you rn?

[skitter30]

Hi. Probably because I'm having trouble keeping up. I think it's you and temp but if everyone is right that temps claim is unfakable for some reason, I think north is scum. I don't see a stalled gamestate. I see more posting than I can keep up with.

I feel like very little has been posted since we've all been waiting for nsg - have you still been having trouble keeping up during this time?

also do you think i'm town if temp is ?

[skitter30]

I'm confused, say that again really slowly

[skitter30]

Hi. Probably because I'm having trouble keeping up. I think it's you and temp but if everyone is right that temps claim is unfakable for some reason, I think north is scum. I don't see a stalled gamestate. I see more posting than I can keep up with.

I feel like very little has been posted since we've all been waiting for nsg - have you still been having trouble keeping up during this time?

[skitter30]

your nsg vote is still scummy especially considering it's paired with (re)stating your oka townread (the self-scumcase to bring nsg down might be worth SRing oka for, but (re)stating your oka townread means you've seen it and still townread oka)

also I consider nsg locktown now

I'm not following this, sorry

[skitter30]

VOTE: sleepless assassin

weeeeeeeee


how much people want to bet this is a mislynch? I take 70/30 odds.

Fire why was this a thing that happened ... ?

Did anyone get mail ?

Nsg i think is prob just scum

I dont know who the partner is

[skitter30]

Probably becaude you got bored so decided to lolhammer, which unfortunately i dont think is ai for you

Small chancr that you're scum and decided to grab the mislynch

I think it was the former

[skitter30]

That's kinda what i meant by 'you got bored'

[skitter30]

so do u still think oka is a possibility here?

Yes

[skitter30]

Nsg thr fact that you arent posting is utterly destroying the gamestate and momentum

If you're scum you're doing exactly what you're supposed to, but if you're town this is incredibly frustrating

[skitter30]

Also apparently it's only a 7day dayphase

Oka who's scum here

[skitter30]

I'm not sure that's a good idea

Why arent you worried about Kop!scum?

[skitter30]

I already said i dont think it's ai

I think she should replace out tho, or get repoaced if she gets prodded again

[skitter30]

I know but it's annoying and i dont like it

[skitter30]

No the nsg thing is annoying, yoh're not being annoying

Although i suppise that's an example of what you're talking about

[skitter30]

@mod if nsg gets prodded can she get replaced?

[skitter30]

I'm here but for some reason i dont feel like this is a good idea

[skitter30]

I dont really feel like it comes from town either

[skitter30]

I dont really feel like it comes from town either

[skitter30]

I mean i know its not me + fire

I'm worried about some combo of you/fire/whichever of nsg/kop you dont vote

[skitter30]

I really dont like random voting in lylo sooooooo i'm not liking this supet much

[skitter30]

Ok now unvote ty

[skitter30]

What exactly are you thinking?

[skitter30]

I mean this just gets me killed tonight but you know

[skitter30]

Ok now unvote ty

From your pov this means if i'm scum it has to be with kop, yeah?

[skitter30]

Fire isnt scum with me

And if i'm scum it has to be with kop, because otherwise i would have hammered him

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Oka are you usually so cavalier with hammer testing ?

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How do u view my scumgame again?

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Why werent you more paranoid of me?

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I won the scumgame i have the banner for (ie pyp x|y, which u were in) by getting hammertested

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My point is i dont entirely understand why you wanted to hammertest me

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Idk play lylo out ?

Also i dont know why scum!you hammertests me either so

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Oka can still be scum with anyone

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skitter want to scum test oka?

No

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I think there's a fairly decent chance that you're scum, and i havent ruled out you/fire so

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Oka why should i be townreading u?

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That's nice

Still wanr to hear his answer

Like if he's town i'm going wrong obvs so hopefully he can help show me why i'm wrong

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Ok, he can answer both questions then

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You realize that i'm conftown from your pov, right?

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I lowkey feel like you not realizing this is scummy for you

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Gah why does she have two days to respond? That'll eat like the whole dayphase

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Fire why are you still voting kop ... ?

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I lowkey feel like you not realizing this is scummy for you

Does anyone else think this is scummy?

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I dont even know rn

Fire's still probably towniest?
Then kop maybe

And you/nsg at the bottom.

I am not confident about this rn so

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You're probably higher than nsg, i guess

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I lowkey feel like you not realizing this is scummy for you

Does anyone else think this is scummy?

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i really don't townread any of you rn, this is a problem

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the person that i really want to push hasn't been here in like half a week and has effectively been prodging for the week before that so

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but yeah it's probably the stage to reread teh game

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VOTE: dunn

L-1 again;

lets get some reads, DUNNY BOI.

Well i was right that wagons this fast dont usually happen on scum, even in a micro

Fire and oka were on that wagon

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like thoughts on skitter or callofjudge for example?

I barely townread skitter, the ISO looks meh with townie added to taste.

I townread CfJ, seems very analytical.

hot take: if dunn flips green Oka is potentially scum

Good hot take

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Fire's early game is scummier than i remembered it being
Oka's early game is still p scummy

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town: temporal lich, sleepless assassin
town side of null: cfj
null: dunn, sweetnsassy
scum side of null: firebringer
scummy: okapoka

scummy kinda but i have no idea if what he's doing is ai for him rn: the worst

Well this is helpful

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Rereading early game i still think oka is scum

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whoooo we burned through half the phase already

oka if i had to vote someone rn it would probably be you

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i want to know, i guess:

a) who you would vote rn
b) why i shouldn't be teamreading you/nsg-slot

pedit i think you/nsg-slot are pretty partner-y, actually

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However can you rule out any teams?

No, unfortunately, can you (more importantly, i guess, can you eliminate any teams that dont contain me?)

I'm not sure i want to lynch nsg more than you

I'm kinda hoping i'll be able to read whoever replaces in

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We have no mechanical clears, i can only be scum with kop, your slot has basically flaked since you repped out and it's utterly killed the momentum of the game, so not much, i guess

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I think your slot might be scum with oka, discuss

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Well all my scumreads from day1 are alive rn, everyone i townread is dead

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Ok, why not?

You thought he was scum when u repped in the first time

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I don’t really remember when i first came into the game. I do remember that the type of reaction he had to that absurd pressure of being L-1 for days looked really town to me the more I watched him

I still think if he was town he would have been hammered

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VOTE: Oka

Oka is scum. I have divined it.

Your first two posts of the game ^^^

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I did not receive mail last night

Oh this is interesting - he claimed to send it to you

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you wouldn't know if you got rb'd

you could have been rb'd, or you're scum, or oversoul is scum

which is remarkably unhelpful

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kop if you had to vote rn who would u vote ?

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like pushing wagons is townie and all but i think its a bit suspect to change your reads so your top sr always matches your vote

like his votes goes from dunn->oka->firebringer->oka
but his srs line up the exact same, check his iso he puts firebringer at top of sr list

maybe coincidence but me doubt

this is really bad, actually

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kop if you had to vote rn who would u vote ?

Talk to me about your town read on fire. What makes.him town

i felt like he was solving early game, which i didn't feel when i played with scum!him

this isn't a strong read tho

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oka were you scumreading me at any point this game ?

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maybe cfj died for scumreading kop

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id go as far to say that they are probs anti aligned

and what happened to this ?

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fun fact: i now think it's oka/kop

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your townread on me in some places is so strong that it almost feels tmi

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it's more why did you never scumread me and/or get paranoid ?

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ok my conclusion after rereading day1 is that kop is prob scum

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ok my conclusion after rereading day1 is that kop is prob scum

What gives you that conclusion ?

I think that cfj brought out multiple points to explain how you're scummy (the most important being that you werent really scumhunting for much of the day and you were kinda acting like you wanted to *sound* like you supported the day1 oka wagon without actually supporting it) and that he died shortly thereafter

I guess on a setup spec level tho i'm not sure of 2s loyal friendly neighbor + traffic analyst is enough against at least 1s rb + mailmain (godfather-esque interaction to the traffic analyst)

Also i'm not sure how i feel about nsg un-siteflaking

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FWIW, the reason you've given for townreading OkaPoka is stronger than the reason you've given for scumreading him, but you're acting like the two are identical; likewise, when you replaced in, there was a lot of shading but no intent. So I have the strong feeling that you a) want people to think you want OkaPoka lynched, but b) don't actually want OkaPoka lynched. That likely implies you're scum regardless of OkaPoka's alignment (as S/S, it's a great way to distance if he flips, and doesn't actually hurt him much; as S/T, you'd want to save a likely mislynch for a future day if you don't think scum are at real risk toDay)

^^^ esp this bit

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skitter does not want that, that is true

i could maybe be talked into hammer-testing fire (possibly, but not super likely) but i don't want to hammer test oka because i think that just ends the game