Open 761: Grey Flag Nightless - [It's over!]

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First

VOTE: Datisi

That was easy.

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oh look who rolled scum again VOTE: RC

hi RC

Page 1 and already two people being friendly to RC.

What's your point

r they ur scum buddies?

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ok cool u should vote for one of them so that you can bus ur scum buddies and look good

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I don't wanna

VOTE: RC

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I've played wilder games. Go for it.

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their point is that I'm super cute and he's jealous of the attention that I'm getting

Only when it's female attention.

Why does this post make so much sense?

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I see you over there RC making moves.

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r we playing mafia dating simulator 2019? I didn't buy that on steam.

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No I just wanna win the game tbh

I mean u could win the game and get a qt pi gf.

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is it cause ur scum?

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Maybe different playstyle? I usually go in and have extremely hard reads as town.

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Oh for sure, you can have the right reads but if town wants you dead, you're going to get lynched so it's a balance of staying alive and having good reads.

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I haven't read closely enough yet, just skimming. You?

we're on page 3...

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Bit, what're your reads so far?

slight scum read on u and buj

everyone else is is close to null

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Why scum on me & Buj?

oh look who rolled scum again VOTE: RC

hi RC

Page 1 and already two people being friendly to RC.

I haven't read closely enough yet, just

skimming

. You?

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What makes Buj's post scummy, Bit?

Feels a bit appeasy. It's not really that scummy but it doesn't seem like something town would say if that makes sense.

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VOTE: Sloshin

Might as well make my vote useful.

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that's not a useful vote and i'd prefer no one even place votes, thanks.

Elaborate.

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votes don't do anything if no one is getting lynched, and we don't want to be lynching people for a very long time from here.

Aren't votes useful to pressure for reactions?

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either null or [main scumread]

Sorry. I don't want it to be easy to PoE who my scumread is. Maybe this isn't a good time.

Why would holding information be beneficial to town again? It seems like a scum tactic afaik.

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I was seriously dreading rolling scum this game and the moment I opened .y role pm and saw that I was town was one of the happiest of my life

Pointless scummy post.

Shoshin is also scum

I highly doubt that they're both scum.

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ok

buddy

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Is the Sloshin wagon going anywhere?

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VOTE: RadiantCowbells

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VOTE: RadiantCowbells

Weren't you just sheeping RC? I don't understand this vote.

Was never sheeping RC. I actually had my first vote on RC but switched to you after I called you slightly scummy with buj.

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I'm not at threat of being lynched. No matter what.

I am at threat of being pushed and voted in a way that will prevent me from playing to my full extent.

But that's the point of using votes is to apply pressure.

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What's your experience with RC, Bit?

None.

The point of votes is lynching, actually.

It's secondary function is to apply pressure on people the town feels could possibly be scum aligned.

The point of voting people to apply pressure is generally to produce more content from them.
Its effects on me will be somewhere between me shutting down, refusing to play, or OMGUS tunneling the people who voted me.

And I will self-motivate.

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This argument feels like t/t now that I look at it again.

Why not scum/town or scum/scum?

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so vote him then

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Kind of stretching it but ok.

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I think you're putting your play on a pedestal compared to everyone else here which kind of pisses me off personally.

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oh look who rolled scum again VOTE: RC

hi RC

Page 1 and already two people being friendly to RC.

like

this is such a fucking weird post

and i think it's scummy

and it feels like the kind of post where 1/2 of the people referenced is his buddy... and i already scumread datisi... so

I still kind of believe this post.

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Where is Chemist and Voted?

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Is it just because of inactivity?

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Datisi you feel entirely devoid of the level of personality that made you obvious town last game.

Is this related to their inactivity?

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I don't like how Ircher is blindly sheeping RC.

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You think it's scummy

Or you don't like it?

My scumhunting is crap as town so I'm not entirely sure it's scummy but at the very least I don't like it.

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You lost 1446 for me, so.

Yes, I'm shit as town. And I assume you mean viewtopic.php?f=50&t=32444

I remember this. I had scum pegged but I always second doubt my scum reads.

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I’m behind and have given up on not being that way

AMA

VOTE: Chemist

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That's a good vote. I'll add Bit to my town group.

Join the wagon.

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You should vote someone then

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Why are you like this?

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Shouldn't.

Even if I'm alive til lylo you're never getting every town to vote me so you're basically playing against wincondition even attempting it

I don't like this post.

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It's WIFOM.

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What's your scum win ratio?

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Are your scum reads and town reads the same?

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I think RC/Ircher?/Bitmap?/Shoshin town

Datisi/Buj scum

Undetermined on the last 3 but leaning abu for last scum

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I'm not a fan of Ircher.

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datisi hasn't really been giving me town vibes (mostly due to activity), and Im not too sure on buj outside of that short inactivity block early on.

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You know, there are other capable town players in this game...

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Chemist still gives me not-town vibes. His entry and lack of posting is currently the worst imo.

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Did you do a past game check with everyone here? Cause I could tell you probably at least dug some old games that we both played. I never played with Datisi or Buj before.

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I see, it feels kind of weird that no a lot of players in this game really took an initiative today.

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I would sheep you but I couldn't help thinking that mafia can't be this bad.

Also, I want to improve my scum hunting skills.

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See, you ignore questions so much RC yet nobody gives you flak for it. Yet everyone gets so upset at me for doing it. I don't get it.

Because town is bad probably and scum are just coasting so hard which is like this fear in the back of my head. I really can't see scum to be

this

bad.

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I might be wrong on this but back in 2012-2014, scum players were usually really good.

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This is why people want to lynch you.

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At this point, I'm annoyed that it's only me, RC, and Shoshin chiming in.

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Yes, it's called the shepard effect and most players will be your sheep.

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I mean to be fair, everyone else besides the three of us has been really bad this game. I'm going to give the lurkers a chance to actually post for D1 to get a better feel.

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Shoshin, what are your thoughts on Datisi? I can't really differentiate between the lurkers as they all look generally really bad.

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like... i really can't imagine Datisi low efforts this one when I'm pushing on her the way I am.

Whereas her response (very rote giving out of reads in a way that feels scummy) absolutely is in line with my expectations of scum her

Could it possibly be cause of the V/LA?

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She's V/LA and still posting in other games. I can't specifically say a whole lot, but I don't think her play here is due to her V/LA.

I'm willing to wait till her V/LA is over and see more content in her posts. Like for me, it's really hard to see why she's inherently scummy (aside from being a bit scummy) from so little posts and when 80% of the player base are lurkers. I need to see more from her but I do think we should still continue keeping pressure on her.

like do you not agree buj's iso is night and day from, say, fire on the mountain?

His early game is kind of slow just like in here. I'm not exactly sure what you want me to look for exactly but his game and conviction does ramp up towards mid-game and end-game.

Also did you really burn that many people on Day 7 what the fuck...

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Are you associating sortiness with town and disorganized as scum?

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I'm associating sortiness with town and lack of sortiness with scum.

I disagree with this to the highest extent. It varies from player to player based on experience.

like you're all 'hey i wanna solve this game with you' but what you're really doing is trying to systematically dismantle my scumreads

I'm challenging authority because

A) (if) scum RC is going to mow this town to the ground
B) 80% of this player base is absolutely useless
C) ur argument could be copy and pasted on other lurky players

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Like I don't understand how you can associate lack of sortiness as scum.

Scum literally has the answer key. Scum knows everything. As town, we don't know jack shit.

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Hey RC, is Chemist ur scum buddy?

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Reads please.

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Like I was aware you were joking.

I still don't feel like you make that joke as scum.

Did you mean to say town?

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Before you accuse it of being a scumslip I make that transposition constantly

Honestly, it did sound like a scum slip.

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I'll listen to you more when you push for a wagon. And you can quote me on this if I don't follow up.

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From my past games, people tend to show up when they're on the verge of being hammered. Why would anyone show up when you're not using your votes to pressure them?

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The point of wagons are to illicit responses. That's how I usually play.

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I prefer lobbies where everyone self motivates themselves to play because they want to win the game but ok

VOTE: DATISI

It's not happening this game.

VOTE: Datisi

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Shoshin, what are your thoughts on Datisi? I can't really differentiate between the lurkers as they all look generally really bad.

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End of day 1 after I specifically called her out on the persi thing and then she started changing her mind and not agreeing with you. Yeah well done shoshin

It's also a bit strange that you're downplaying my reads because they were wrong at the beginning of the day but right at the end. Like, isn't that how mafia is supposed to work? You start off with no information and over time refine your reads?

Buj felt extremely sorty in that game. This game he just feels... blah. lackluster. I am tempted to joke about him needing female attention but I will refrain.

I'm associating sortiness with town and lack of sortiness with scum.

Not if you're RC.

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Hi Ircher,

Welcome back. What are your reads?

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Not if you're RC.

This really doesn't make sense.

I'm scumreading him for not trying to figure out people's alignments.

You mentioned about sortiness and not scumhunting.

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Hi, please stop with the ad hominem attacks on each other. kthx.

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Ircher can be a wolf because of the disconnect between their push on Shoshin and their not doing anything mindset

Why is their push on Shoshin bad?

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Ircher can be a wolf because of the disconnect between their push on Shoshin and their not doing anything mindset

Why is their push on Shoshin bad?

It wasn’t, but they said they weren’t going to be doing stuff despite that push

That’s my issue

Actually, can you point to where Ircher pushed Shoshin? I re-ISOed Ircher and they barely even mention them.

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Can you go into more detail on your RC read?

What are your thoughts on RC? You haven't even mentioned RC in your catch up at all.

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VOTE:

Shoshin

Shoshin is scum; let's move on, tyvm.

@bit

And why is this bad?

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@Mod: Prod Abu pls

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I don't townread players with 100% scum wins as town ever.

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No one outside of me and Shoshin has actually pushed you. If you're scum, we already lost.

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I don't townread players with 100% scum wins as town ever.

I'm referring to this. Why not just treat me as town then?

Ok maybe that was a bit bad. What I mean is that I have a really healthy dose of suspicion especially when no one outside of me and Shoshin has pressured you.

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Healthy dose of suspicion

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Enough to see if you slip/feed information.

Are you scum?

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wtf

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that's the first thing I said at the start of this game, btw.

okay so when I say something is big brain that means it’s obvious and I didn’t get it until now

This means you have to hit the other two scum with wagons led by scum!RC.

Do you see the fallacy in this logic?

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that's the first thing I said at the start of this game, btw.

okay so when I say something is big brain that means it’s obvious and I didn’t get it until now

This means you have to hit the other two scum with wagons led by scum!RC.

Do you see the fallacy in this logic?

Who said RC would be leading the wagons

Have you seen the last 20 pages?

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i mean

i always lead the wagons

Why are you like this?

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No one is ignoring you, RC.

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Who is Shoshin's top scum read? Chemist?

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I think challenging what is pushed towards us as the agenda, is a big town tell personally. Scum would just be satisfied coasting.

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RC on a scale from 0 to 100 how confident are you on your Datisi read

this question is useless if u actually kept up with the last 20 pages

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This game feels stagnant. Feel free to ask me any questions but I feel better if others chimed in outside of the super active ones.

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RC, you should probably give detailed D1 reads soon.

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Town Pool:
{me, Shoshin, RC}

Null Pool:
{Ircher}

Null lean scum:
{Buj}

Scum Pool:
{Chemist, Voted, Abu, Datisi}

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I thought he did.

Not like super detailed though. It'd be a nice parting gift if he really does get killed.

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Voted is pretty null. Why scum?

He's coasting really hard.

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"parting gift"?

It'd help town to possibly reference your reads easier. If you don't want to do it, you don't have to.

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So is some of the town.

Who in my town pool is coasting?

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Like all the big personalities that I've played with (i.e. UberNinja) usually have done this and it helped me.

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He's my hero.

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Ok I'll stop though.

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You do realize he was reapercharlie correct

Um, who is that?

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Oh ok, I sort of dropped off after 2014-2015. I only know him from Mafia, not his outside personality but noted.

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What if you aren't the nightkill?

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Are you really town?

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I mean Shoshin asked you the same question but okay.

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I'll try to sort people when I come back home tonight. I'll be gone for most of the day hanging with friends eating J-BBQ and chilling at a Barcade. Sorry.

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I'm pretty sure Chemist is scum.

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VOTE: Chemist

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Why aren't any of you sheeping RC? His top scumread after Datisi was Buj.

Wasn't there a huge shift for Ank and Chemist at the end though?

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If you're blindly following RC's lynch list, you're scum that's on the town pile or really lazy.

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Is there some reason to reevaluate reads, Bit? Datisi flipped scum, as expected.

Datisi was getting pretty obvious at the end but you mentioned that Buj wasn't really pinging your scumdar that much in Day 1. And that it felt that the case for Buj was a lot weaker than Datisi.

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No, I said RC convinced me on Buj with his empirical evidence.

Can you link me to this? Sorry.

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Are we going to wait for his replacement?

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I mean if he goes inactive. Wasn't he prodded and didn't respond in this thread?

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Voted was in RC's null pile afaik.

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Not a lot of experienced players like sheeping.

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Who has played this setup before?

How much do scum typically defend each other here? Because it's like one bad associative and it ends up not just being white flag, but effectively "scum lose if 1 scum is lynched"

Supposedly there's a lot of buddying with the last 2 scum.

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I want Chemist dead today.

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Chemist -> Voted -> {Ank, Buj} -> Ircher

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Why Chemist first?

I think Chemist has been legitimately scummy while Buj has just been lurk.

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Lurking isn't an indication of scum.

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We have 11 days, so I'm not in a rush. Theoretically, we have infinite amount of days since it's nightless lololololololol.

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His posts are way worse than Buj. At least Buj is trying.

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But what's your argument against Buj outside of "Sheep RC"?

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I kind of just got annoyed at this game. I did everything I could to try to pull scum out of the shithole but in the end I couldn't do much.

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Like honestly, my hands were tied the whole game because my two partners kind of fell weak.

And it's a shame more people will know my scum meta.

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Like every move I made was optimal for the hand I was dealt.

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Like every move I made was optimal for the hand I was dealt.

actually not true

push the voted lynch harder

I couldn't. Buj was ultra scummy.

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I tried to make it interesting but the pool of players was kind of lackluster.

Any thoughts of how I could of salvaged this mess, Shoshin?

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If the answer is a straight "no", I accept that as well.

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I mentally gave up after D1.

Thank you for playing with me, RC and Shoshin. You two helped this game not be dead.

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I mentally gave up after D1.

Thank you for playing with me, RC and Shoshin. You two helped this game not be dead.

Why not just give up?

I never knew that was an option to be honest. This was the first time in my mafia career that it was this bad.