In post 8, callforjudgement wrote:/confirm
I was rather hoping to draw scum, but it didn't happen this time. I guess the odds in a Micro aren't that high.
For the time being, a philosophical question: is there any point in doing a random voting stage when the votes don't count? (We tend to do them when the votesdocount, but normally try to avoid lynching people from them, so mathematically the situation should be the same in both cases.)
Yes it is.
Can you go a little deeper into this? The only reason I can think of to feel this way is you think scum would have stopped the wagon, but in a micro he likely only has one buddy so an all town wagon isn't out of the question. Or you think scum must have been on the wagon, but for some reason wouldn't be willing to vote their buddy in that spot. So let me ask you this. Why does the wagon tell you more about Dunn than those who voted him and who on the wagon is most likely to be scum?In post 120, skitter30 wrote:Dunn wagon was kinda fast, i'm not sure scum get to l-1 this fast this early in a micro
Why?skitter wrote: Hot take:temporal lich is town
What changed from 127 to 133 and why not vote there?oka wrote: im reaching the opposite conclusion
The don't vote someone who got prodded post caught my attention and then the Dunn vote and some stuff after it felt off. First of all, voting someone to saying they are town is kinda weird. What's he supposed to say? He's scum? I mean yeah I'm not dense, I know it's the way he went out of his way to do it unprompted but to say he did it as an attempt to cook anyone feels either newbish or just looking for a reason to vote the popular wagon and temp doesn't feel newbish. And then he keeps pushing it. It just doesn't feel natural to me.In post 162, skitter30 wrote:a) why are you voting temp here?In post 158, Sleepless Assassin wrote:24 hour work shifts should be illegal
I'll read what I missed when I wake up
Unvote, Vote Temp
I assume oka got what he needed from the Dunn wagon
b) how are you reading oka?
His later posts show at least a basic understanding of the game though. Comments like saying the game is stagnating don't come from people who aren't familiar with mafia.the worst wrote: i thought that post was kinda derptowny personally
The biggest thing if you're town is just look for people's motivations. Read what they're saying and ask yourself is this person really trying to find mafia (if you see us call them scum it's the same thing) or are they just trying to give off the appearance that they are. When you think someone is scum, vote them, see how they react, and continue to think critically. Keep an open mind.In post 212, SweetNSassy wrote:I need tips to this game any advice?
How's that lead you to town and not null? When he's felt like scum before was it for the same reasons as this game or different reasons? What do you think his scum game would look like?In post 216, Firebringer wrote:ehhh he always feels like scum to me so i kind of want to say townIn post 211, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Firebringer what is your read on temp?
Yes, thanks, I see where you are coming from. It just feels like a lot of assumptions without thinking about the specifics of this game. It seems like you saw a fast wagon and kind of jumped to "well Dunn is probably town then" without thinking about why you felt that way. But after this post, and don't take this the wrong way, it feels more like you just didn't look at the situation hard enough and just ran with something that is set in your mind which seems like a genuine mistake more than anything malicious. It also seems like you aren't set on the read and I don't necessarily think that Dunn or firebringer is scum anyway so I'm ok with dropping it.skitter wrote: i hope that explained my thought process
Ok, let's play a game here. I'm giving you a lot of power. You get to guess who is scum right now. If you get it right, the game is over and town wins. If you're wrong, you get a bag of gummy bears and a participation trophy just for trying. So nothing to lose, right? Ready, go!
I should mention that I'm actually the one who brought her to the site and only joined this game so we could play together.callforjudgement wrote: So #213 is just null from a reading point of view (but definitely welcome from the point of view of helping out a newbie).
Not really. The only thing I can think of is if scum have daychat they'd be coaching her to do more.In post 270, skitter30 wrote:ah ok, thanks for the contextIn post 263, Sleepless Assassin wrote:I should mention that I'm actually the one who brought her to the site and only joined this game so we could play together.
do u have any thoughts on her alignment thus far?
This was her first game. It looks like she just had no idea what to say. I gave her a quick rundown before we /in'd but told her once we have role PMs only ask questions in thread. I think she got overwhelmed. Sucks to see a replacement rather than allowing us to help her figure it out because now she probably won't stay on site and now I don't really have a reason to play but whatever, on with the game I guess.
I know this is gonna sound nitpicky and probably won't convince anyone but me of anything but this sounds like the kind of thing scum says to try to show they don't have more info than town. It's a micro. The odds of multiple teams are so low that it doesn't make sense to bring it up Day 1.the worst wrote: assuming this is singleball
So you think skitter as scum wouldn't play the game wouldn't give a vote with reads, wouldn't explain things, and wouldn't post a good reads list?Temp wrote: Your ISO feels like you're playing the game, 191 is a vote with reads, 196 is a good explanation, 232 is good, and the readlist in 273 seems pretty good (to the point where even Oka thinks it is good).
This kind of thing needs more words or it's meaningless to the rest of us.skitter wrote: Like all of this seems fake to me
This has been exactly my issue with skitter in this game. It feels very "here's what I think but not why but you should accept it as fact anyway".In post 374, OkaPoka wrote:Do you see how that line of reasoning though potentially true is very unhelpful
Ok but why is any of this scum and not just town not playing the way you'd like them to?temp wrote: he has yet to give explanations on his townread of you and therefore doesn't have explanations for his skitter vote in 279.
Oh and 314 is an outright refusal to give said explanations for scumreading (and thus voting) skitter. 320 is an indication we'll never get an explanation of firebringer's skitter SR in any more depth than 204's oka townread which isn't much tbh.
time will end
My stance on temp is almost identical to oka's. Why is it a reason to scum read him but you have me as a town read?callforjudgement wrote: OkaPoka, meanwhile, seems to be intentionally playing in an anti-town way despite me explaining several times why the playstyle is wrong and what can be done better; insisting on vote-parking on TemporalLich for no reason is just bizarre. (OK, so there was a reason, once; but a lot of other people disagree with it, so if you can't find additional reasons, your vote isn't doing anything where it is.)
No. She's not an alt.firebringer wrote: Is sweet sassy a yume alt?
I work 16 hour days so that I can have chunks of time off at a time. This doesn't change with my alignment in mafia games.oversoul wrote: In general I find it suspicious when a player's activity changes, one way or another. If they go from posting a lot to posting a little, it seems like it could be scum who think they have secured the trust of the town. If they lurk and then DANGER appears causing them to become active, it could be scum doing some self-preservation.
I have you and firebringer as town. Sweetnsassy maybe town. Skitter and callforjudgement as opposite alignments, leaning towards skitter being the scum there. Temp scum. Dunn and the worst are pretty much PoE reads so if I'm wrong on a scum read put them there instead.oka wrote:m going to need some reads from sleepless assassin when he comes back
I kinda doubt he's intentionally making bad arguments.In post 506, Firebringer wrote:do you really think temporal pushes the kind of bad arguments he has here as scum? because I have seen really bad town!temporal arguments that has gotten me to tunnel him. I really think its more likely he is town and scum are going to use him to push bad lynchesIn post 503, OkaPoka wrote:Yeah best bet is temp scum I think. If it's not him it's whoever hammers
Ok now it's letting me copy and paste again lol. Anyway.... Yeah that's exactly my point. Why would he even bring it up? Skitter's point about their last game answers that though so I'm fine dropping it.callforjudgement wrote: PEDIT: This is definitely singleball. Multiball is explicitly abNormal in Micros
Why make this post instead of just asking me?In post 1216, skitter30 wrote:Yes, but sa kinda failed to do that
Can you walk me through temps thought process behind that post he made?In post 1341, OkaPoka wrote:asdFAasdf!@#!@# READ GAME! IF HAVE QUESTION ASK ME !
So because you claimed a role mixed with because you say so. Youre not confirmed.In post 1343, TemporalLich wrote:try reading where claiming started, I claimed Traffic Analyst and got a NR on Firebringer, and the claims from other people seem to support this.In post 1340, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Temp can you walk me through why you think youre an IC?
Dunns role is pretty strong in a micro.In post 1344, skitter30 wrote:temp is basically an ic; town doesnt have enough power otherwise
I can't be convinced to vote me.In post 1575, OkaPoka wrote:smh u didnt ask why sleepless assassin when i voted u and u ask why firebringer bruh
I haven't looked for associatives so I can't answer this without a temp flip.In post 1686, skitter30 wrote:In post 1595, skitter30 wrote:also do you think i'm town if temp is ?In post 1593, skitter30 wrote:I feel like very little has been posted since we've all been waiting for nsg - have you still been having trouble keeping up during this time?In post 1589, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Hi. Probably because I'm having trouble keeping up. I think it's you and temp but if everyone is right that temps claim is unfakable for some reason, I think north is scum. I don't see a stalled gamestate. I see more posting than I can keep up with.
Hes doing unorthodox things to light a fire under people because he cares what happens in this game.In post 1691, TemporalLich wrote:Mainly because it's obvious OkaPoka is scumcasing himself to make northsidegal look either scummy and/or lazy.