Open 761: Grey Flag Nightless - [It's over!]

[Ankamius]

surprise

[Ankamius]

I see by the activity preview that the game has been dominated by three slots

should I be worried

[Ankamius]

And I don’t think I’ve ever seen you react this way to a naked vote

are you naked voting me?

[Ankamius]

VOTE: chemist1422

[Ankamius]

but that goes contrary to my planned strategy of filling the thread with nonsense and then prodging for 3 days straight

[Ankamius]

wow chemist really is scum isn't he

[Ankamius]

fantastic!

see you all day 2

[Ankamius]

sorry what

[Ankamius]

I wish

that would be a fun challenge

[Ankamius]

I can believe it

chemist is scum tho

[Ankamius]

bah

fine give me time to read through

[Ankamius]

I wish I replaced in on Blake now

[Ankamius]

actually I'm going to find a better avatar first

I like this one but it's a bad omen

[Ankamius]

it is but it's time to switch

[Ankamius]

I pseudo skimmed before putting in my blanket replacement offer

[Ankamius]

Jfc can you at least wait for me

I'm off work in 20 minutes

[Ankamius]

Bitmap is town

[Ankamius]

Ircher is scum (?)

[Ankamius]

RC is probably town already, I agree that Shoshins start was off

[Ankamius]

Ircher is scum

[Ankamius]

Chemist is the third

[Ankamius]

Yes

VOTE: Datisi

[Ankamius]

I'm literally struggling to not fall asleep so I'll stop halfway

[Ankamius]

Fuck I'm starving too

Why did I join this

[Ankamius]

I don't buy for a second that I'm going to get a second chance and nothing I say about a game that is just 3 people talking at each other is going to convince you not to put me in a line to get sheep killed

[Ankamius]

I'm not buying the BuJ scumread, I think it's pretty plainly the team I suggested unless Voted subs in for one

I'm disengaging, bye

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Ircher

[Ankamius]

I want chemist lynched today but I'm staying on ircher for cool points

[Ankamius]

uh oh

the scum brigade are onto me

[Ankamius]

thanks for stealing my hammer ank

VOTE: Ank

np sorry for you not getting the town points from hammering your partner

[Ankamius]

ok who's scum then

[Ankamius]

because I called them scum?

[Ankamius]

Ircher is scum

Chemist is the third

I'm not buying the BuJ scumread, I think it's pretty plainly the team I suggested unless Voted subs in for one

I'm disengaging, bye

VOTE: Ankamius

thanks for stealing my hammer ank

VOTE: Ank

[Ankamius]

I want chemist lynched today but I'm staying on ircher for cool points

[Ankamius]

Also, why am I scum Ankamius?

you feel very fake

[Ankamius]

like

literally

I don't think I've ever seen you play this politically and... 'exact' before

it stuck out like a sore thumb

[Ankamius]

funny enough, that's one of them

[Ankamius]

your reads were all very easy and consensus
you made a point of stepping back and making sure people knew about it
you have content that I'd classify as "look busy and say nothing"

etc.

[Ankamius]

(and no I don't blind sheep sorry)

[Ankamius]

only time I blind sheep is when I'm either very done with the game and just want it to progress or can't get any reads no matter what I do

otherwise I'm following my own reads until I get convinced otherwise

[Ankamius]

making sure you can survive d1

[Ankamius]

I'll be more specific

making sure you can survive d1 without pinging enough people hard enough to be automatically lynched d2

[Ankamius]

most games you don't have the luxury of being expendable.

[Ankamius]

ok good talk

[Ankamius]

I know

[Ankamius]

RC's list wins the game

[Ankamius]

ok

[Ankamius]

I said his list wins the game because chemist is in it?

[Ankamius]

Idk what else you expect since I think the scumteam is just Ircher + Chemist, which is handled in that list anyways

[Ankamius]

I don't go very hard on this account anymore Shoshin

That's what Blake is for

[Ankamius]

Okay

I'm not overheating now so I have my wits about me enough to say this.

I have a process behind my hunting.
I need specific things to have reads confident enough to be willing to push.
I need enough of a baseline to judge my findings against to have a reasonable idea of how likely my reads are to be correct.
Most importantly, I need a gamestate that is productive enough to where I can find situations that are most likely to result in highly AI interactions.

The reason I play like shit in virtually every game I play with RC in it is because he significantly warps the game. People put him up on a pedistal and play around him in a way that is significantly more difficult to detect the differences of for me, which often is one of the only things that matter in the game.

This specific game is exactly the kind of gamestate I would expect from a game where scum take a huge blow from losing any one person and had one member caught almost immediately. Expectedly, both of the still alive hyperactive players are just straight up town. Literally every other slot can either be scum looking to ride out the day to avoid being hard caught like Datisi or town that sees the game is already won and they don't really have to try, especislly since there is still remarkably little to get reads on outside of the three hyperpoaters, all of which are easy to see as town solely from how the game progressed.

I can't detect the subtle differences between town and scum in games like this. I'm fully aware that my reasons for scumreading Ircher are stretchy and not strong evidence of a scum mindset, but this is the type of play that in a vacuum is exactly how I would expect someone looking to just not get caught play. Bujaber who the hell knows, I've struggled to read him in just about every game and I still don't know how to do it. Voted I don't see a single thing he's done being indicative either way, nor do I expect him to be motivated enough to start caring regardless of alignment solely from what I know about his style and past experiences with him. Chemist is more a gut read.

You can expect more from me all you want, but I am generally strong in games where scum have more of an impact (or deceptively lack thereof) on how the game is progressing or in games where scum need to take risks to stay afloat. My reads are above average, but it's mostly in situations like those since my ultimate strength as town is looking at the game from a side view and seeing the differences between town and scum perspectives as a whole in any one situation and being able to piece together the rest of the players alignments from what reads that gives me.

I strongly suspect that how RC reads me depends mostly on how I go about building towards situations like this, since most of my town games significantly skew towards me trying to build those scenarios directly. I expect this is a significant reason why he struggles to read me in a lot of games and why he drops his townreads of me on a dime when I start thinking he's scum... because a lot of this also depends on my mood at the time and I'm actually not very good at forcing those scenarios to go in ways I expect them to until I literally have a solve set up already or at least an idea of one already put together.

It really isn't surprising to me that he'd read me incorrectly considering my catch up, but honestly, this type of game is one I know I will never have significant contributions in solely by how the game began and continued throughout the first day. This is the biggest reason I replaced in on an account I don't play on anymore and started out playing very nonseriously; I was HOPING to entice people to come out and react to a significant change in the game from the norm and potentially spark new conversations and push things in a direction where the entire game isn't just two slots talking back and forth and essentially resolving the entire game immediately while everyone else just stalls out and does nothing until the end. Immediately being forced to play my hand that fast by RC's response followed by the near immediate call to end the day put me in a position where I had to play on the back foot and at least throw SOMETHING out there to avoid just getting lollynched just for not playing up to my expected level immediately. It's hard to take games like that seriously.

I have the highest chance of catching scum directly on day one, and my official stance on that is an Ircher + Chemist1422 scumteam. I really have no answer on what the three lynches should be because that requires information I don't have, and that information is unlikely to come since we've essentially been leashed to a specific set of lynches. I know that literally all I need to do to win the game is lynch literally any slot that isn't bitmap/shoshin/myself since that 100% wins the game on the contingency that my initial read on how scum are reacting to RC is correct, but I have regularly had significant problems getting townread this year, predominantly after my several scum wins and my playstyle shift on my new playing account, so I really don't know what to tell you there. I expect that no level of read accuracy or nuance in hunting is going to make a difference as long as we stay attached to RC's lynch list. And since the one thing that I need to do to guarantee a town win is very unlikely to ever be a possibility... what motivation do I have to make any kind of difference in the game?

The ONLY other possibility is to locktown another player, but that also relies on most of the slots doing... well, anything. I'm not going to count on that possibility either.

So yes, I'm going to tell you to follow RC's list even though it involves me as a lynch target. I don't see history changing away from that list the way the game is going, and the difference is that exactly a single team (Ircher + Voted) wins in this scenario. It's one I can see being possible in this game, but the odds are still favorable enough for us that I don't think the amount of extra effort to brute force a win is worth the trouble with the amount of content I have to work with.

Sorry, I guess.

[Ankamius]

I wrote that on my phone over about an hour so I'm sorry if it gets too rambley

[Ankamius]

Isn't Ircher/Voted your solve?

Ircher Chemist

[Ankamius]

should I be?

[Ankamius]

that VC looks amazing

[Ankamius]

actually I'm okay with this

VOTE: NerfedBuJ

[Ankamius]

but

I don't believe for a second that Chemist and Ircher are both town

I'm vote parking among those two for the rest of the game if BuJ flips town

[Ankamius]

so are we playing a mafia game or

[Ankamius]

why is voted second in your list bitmap?

[Ankamius]

Honestly I think he's unreadable with what's actually there

[Ankamius]

I looked back at my past experience with him and saw enough to be able to believe he has scum equity

At the very least enough that I can buy into that read

[Ankamius]

we need a new voted like asap

a solid read on that slot 100% solves the game

[Ankamius]

you do understand that we only need one more scumflip right

[Ankamius]

..........who are you?

[Ankamius]

just hammer

[Ankamius]

itt I don't exist

[Ankamius]

oh

[Ankamius]

so many things make sense now

[Ankamius]

yeah uh

now that I know geometry is chennisden, that slot is obvtown

the game's basically over

[Ankamius]

don't worry I altslip every secret alt

[Ankamius]

like

98% of scumteams are in Ircher/Chemist/BuJ

PEdit: ya that's how I saw it

[Ankamius]

Ank is also kind of obv town.

So.

wow you're the first person all game to think as such

[Ankamius]

is it because of the great wall of china I wrote a few days ago?

[Ankamius]

[Ankamius]

[Ankamius]

ftr if BuJ is town

then this game is proof that completely taking over the game and calling for an end of day before being able to get reads on everybody

is probably

not the best idea you can have as town

[Ankamius]

I think Shoshin believes we're actually going to autolynch her for not hardlynching RC's entire lynch list

[Ankamius]

Well tbf she thinks my scumgame is strong enough to make me unreadable anyways so who knows

[Ankamius]

I'd answer with a gif but there is an impressively low amount of quality gifs from this game so you're going to have to imagine the gif yourself

It's a great one though

[Ankamius]

The order is Buj/Ank/Chem.

And if this is all town?

Then a very stacked town managed to lose with a D1 scum lynch

[Ankamius]

In a white flag game

[Ankamius]

I kinda want town to lose just for that one irony

It's Bop2 all over again

[Ankamius]

Why am I awake

I'm going to sleep

[Ankamius]

well this was a game

[Ankamius]

PM button

[Ankamius]

good effort bitmap

you win in my eyes for that alone

[Ankamius]

sometimes I feel like rambling about why I hate mafia for an hour

shrug

[Ankamius]

Hi buj it's nice to see you