Mini Normal 2086 - Pastries! GAME OVER!

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I'm your new the worst AKA Daffy.

I'm going to catch up on the thread + report back in a bit.

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fun billboards ive passed so far:

"??? cemetery: dignified. affordable" in a cheesy font
"jesus recycles people. we recycle cars"

Talking about "not the game" is such a nervous scum habit. You're letting your buddies down with this bad play.

+1. I'm almost at post 100 and it still feels like RVS. Oof.

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Flavor Leaf's lurkerscum record is already well established and we've only begun page 3.

kuribo you know who to vig tonight.

Really liking DrippingGoofball's perspective. Feels town.

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VOTE: Dripping

That’s a blatant misrep, and scum motivated because it protects scum from being vig’d, AND it gets rid of me, the most unlikely player to be mislynched.

Lurker gets prodded then OMGUS votes the person prodding. Classic.

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You know what? I'm going to use my power right out of the gate.

GLADIATE: Flavor Leaf

0 to 100. Damn.

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I'm at [post=number]220[/post] ish and nobody is really talking about the gladiate that DGB used.

DGB isn't pushing it much anymore and even votes for the worst (me). Did I miss something?

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I'm at 220 ish and nobody is really talking about the gladiate that DGB used.

DGB isn't pushing it much anymore and even votes for the worst (me). Did I miss something?

EBWOP. Let's see if the post number works there.

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Ok UNVOTE: , leaning voting someone else but wanna wait to determine whether it's not just me being a bit cheesed personally

I have mixed feelings about this, but I think it's towny. Of the two scenarios below, I think it is the first.

1. On the one hand, he's admitting he was "cheesed personally" and needs some time to cool off. It probably would have been easier to keep up an angry facade to justify a stronger DGB push.

2. On the other hand, the wagon for DGB isn't as strong as it was a few posts ago. Maybe he's trying to hop off early so it doesn't look bad on him when the wagon dies.

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I think flippy should catch up tho.

yeah I probably should. its not too long

I kind of want to lynch you for this post, but it feels petty to ding you for being petty about not reading when I’m barely keeping up.

As a note, he did the same thing in Newbie 1936 as scum.
viewtopic.php?p=10991999#p10991999 posts #167 and #170

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VOTE: pisskop

you might be thinking to yourself, "what's with this dude dropping a naked vote like that" then say "hey! why'd you drop a naked vote like that?"
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I might answer back saying "nunya" or "mind ya business" or "ehh just kinda felt like doing something, care to join or oppose?"

VOTE: pisskop

Why are you upset over the naked votes? Its really null in a vacuum. I even think were still largely in RVS.

The naked votes are super weird, but pisskop's reaction is even weirder.

This comes across as pisskop trying to act town by being calm and waving away the votes. Instead of asking for justification, pisskop chalks it up to RVS. Kuribo says it later, but the game is definitely not in RVS at this point. I'm pretty sure RVS ended in the mid-100's.

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Pretentious (Replaced in for Flavor Leaf AKA Bland Branch)

Emperor flippyNips AKA Iced Nipz*

DrippingGoofball

Gamma Emerald AKA G Emerald
Skygazer AKA Bigazer

the worst AKA Daffy

Pine AKA King of the Forest

kuribo

pisskop AKA Hershey Kisskop
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I agree with this POE. I'd say Gamma is worth crossing off, too.

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Who’s the other player who asked to be replaced out?

pisskop

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Alright, I'm caught up.

As stated in 379 my

scum

candidates are Pretentious, Emperor flippyNips, Skygazer, and pisskop. In order of

most to least scummy

, I have:
pisskop
Pretentious
Skygazer
Emperor flippyNips

On the

town

side of things, and in order from

least to most towny

, I have:
Gamma Emerald
DrippingGoofball
Pine
kuribo

I have a few lingering questions.
1. @DGB what was the deal with the whole gladiator thing?
2. (a)@Pretentious. What is your response to the comment saying you're an alt account of Flavor Leaf. It looks like you account slipped a few pages ago.
(b) If Flavor Leaf is an alt, why did you swap out?
3. @Skygazer. You keep pulling the conversation away from the game. Why?

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VOTE: pisskop

you might be thinking to yourself, "what's with this dude dropping a naked vote like that" then say "hey! why'd you drop a naked vote like that?"
&
I might answer back saying "nunya" or "mind ya business" or "ehh just kinda felt like doing something, care to join or oppose?"

VOTE: pisskop

Why are you upset over the naked votes? Its really null in a vacuum. I even think were still largely in RVS.

The naked votes are super weird, but pisskop's reaction is even weirder.

This comes across as pisskop trying to act town by being calm and waving away the votes. Instead of asking for justification, pisskop chalks it up to RVS. Kuribo says it later, but the game is definitely not in RVS at this point. I'm pretty sure RVS ended in the mid-100's.

Oops. I misquoted Emp's post at 303 instead of the worst's vote on 304.

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I'm at [post=number]220[/post] ish and nobody is really talking about the gladiate that DGB used.


I'm at [post=number]220[/post] ish and nobody is really talking about the gladiate that DGB used.

have you ever played with DGB this is a yes or no question

i'd also settle for "have you ever heard of her" or "are you slightly vaguely aware of her"

I've never played with DGB and was not aware of her before this game.

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Hear me out, but I think the last scum is Espresso. It was too perfect of an entrance, Pisskop replaced out.

Thanks. I had every opportunity to remove my vote from pisskop throughout my entrance reads.I could have made up bad reads and chalked it up to being a replacement. I don't think it would have been a good play for scum!me to bus pisskop.

Myself, flippynips, and i believe Skygazer? we’re on their sights for a mislynch.

That is correct. You three are in my scumreads.

I think Kuribo-DGB are a town duo, Pine and Skygazer acted well.

I agree with all but Skygazer here.

Also, why does scum kill Gamma instead of Espresso if they are both town?[/quote]
Why would I be a target? TW was the other wagon, so scum probs thought they could stir up a mislynch on my today.

Now that we know Gamma was informed, we need to do back through his ISO to see if he dropped any hints. Maybe scum picked up on that early.

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Hear me out, but I think the last scum is Espresso. It was too perfect of an entrance, Pisskop replaced out.

Thanks. I had every opportunity to remove my vote from pisskop throughout my entrance reads.I could have made up bad reads and chalked it up to being a replacement. I don't think it would have been a good play for scum!me to bus pisskop.

Myself, flippynips, and i believe Skygazer? we’re on their sights for a mislynch.

That is correct. You three are in my scumreads.

I think Kuribo-DGB are a town duo, Pine and Skygazer acted well.

I agree with all but Skygazer here.

Also, why does scum kill Gamma instead of Espresso if they are both town?

Why would I be a target? TW was the other wagon, so scum probs thought they could stir up a mislynch on my today.

Now that we know Gamma was informed, we need to do back through his ISO to see if he dropped any hints. Maybe scum picked up on that early.

EBWOP.

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Lol I tried editing it but I messed a different part of it up. W/e, I'm sure you all get the point.

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Spoiler:

@Sky your case on Pine is fine but ime he reads backwards and is a lategame player by a mile. Is he town? Idk. Is he scum? Nothing he's really done suggests it to me.

Omto a read I do have.

I think dgb softly supporting your push without evident evaluation of Pine's alignment is explicitly scum indicative. I think the fact she's completely brushing me aside and trying to act like there's no need to sort Pine's alignment because....??? meta is trash...??? is explicitly scum indicative.

She is now voting me because you talked me into elaborating on why I didn't post much for like... 3-4 days? I think I'm transparently LHF in this gamestate and once again she's biting down on me without any evaluation of what I'm actually doing from a gameplay pov

I don't know pine's alignment but engaging with me about it in light of you soft scumcasing him generates content which can highlight alignments of {pine, dgb, me} and adamantly refusing to do so then trying to position me as scum is a scum motivated play.

Ok I think I agree with this
VOTE: DGB

The worst has less to explain since he was leaning that way last page

On the plus side Espresso is town.

Agreed. Didn't really get a hang on this until DGB pointed it out but the reaction to the fake gladiator is really towny.

The only times Gamma talks about the TW/EP slot are to defend the its towniness. There's a possibility that I was the informed target.

More to come on who he focused.

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Spoiler:

VC 1.7

Hershey Kisskop (3) -

Daffy, Iced Nipz, King of the Forest

Daffy (2) -

DrippingGoofball, Bigazer

G Emerald (1) -

Hershey Kisskop

Bigazer (1) -

kuribo

Iced Nipz (1) -

G Emerald

Not Voting (1) -

Pretentious
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Day 1 countdown is paused with 3 days, 10 hours, 10 minutes left until I find replacements for Hershey Kisskop and Daffy. If a lynch occurs, that will still end the day.

Boring Version:

Spoiler:

Pisskop (3) -

the worst, Emperor flippyNips, Pine

the worst (2) -

DrippingGoofball, Skygazer

Gamma Emerald (1) -

pisskop

Skygazer (1) -

kuribo

Emperor flippyNips (1) -

Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (1) -

Pretentious
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Day 1 countdown is paused with 3 days, 10 hours, 10 minutes left until I find replacements for pisskop and the worst. If a lynch occurs, that will still end the day.

I understand PK, but not TW

Wrt replace outs

Add this to the above. He wanted to be clear he wasn't scumreading TW.

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Hmm, the initial focus on Gamma bcz of his serial killer joke caused him to get a bit cagey. It's tough to tell if he's dropping scum hints at the beginning or just calling ppl out.

Fwiw, his first vote is Stargazer, but I doubt that came from an informed perspective. Further, I don't see a consistent line of scumreading in his ISO.


Also, apologies for the formatting issues above. I'm on mobile and an apparently having a hard time with it.

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[Pretentious:] FL, flippynips, and i believe Skygazer. [EP:] That is correct You three are in my scumreads.

why to all the above? or are we just people you're wary of?

*Edited the quote because you snipped it.

See spoiler for posts on scum pings. POE also played a role in that list.

Spoiler:

quote="In post 370, EspressoPatronum"]

fun billboards ive passed so far:

"??? cemetery: dignified. affordable" in a cheesy font
"jesus recycles people. we recycle cars"

Talking about "not the game" is such a nervous scum habit. You're letting your buddies down with this bad play.

+1. I'm almost at post 100 and it still feels like RVS. Oof.[/quote]

VOTE: Dripping

That’s a blatant misrep, and scum motivated because it protects scum from being vig’d, AND it gets rid of me, the most unlikely player to be mislynched.

Lurker gets prodded then OMGUS votes the person prodding. Classic.

I think flippy should catch up tho.

yeah I probably should. its not too long

I kind of want to lynch you for this post, but it feels petty to ding you for being petty about not reading when I’m barely keeping up.

As a note, he did the same thing in Newbie 1936 as scum.
viewtopic.php?p=10991999#p10991999 posts #167 and #170

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FL, flippynips, and i believe Skygazer. You three are in my scumreads.

why to all the above? or are we just people you're wary of?

Eh, sure, you had time to take your vote off of PK, but that’s not how bussing works.

Didn’t mean to quote Flippy there. I was responding to espresso.

Right, and I'm saying I didn't need to bus because I had a plausible out. The one major thing counting against me is that TW's wagon was the next biggest.

Would you agree that if pisskop flipped town, my entrance would still look towny?

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I don’t get why you’re bringing up informed like he was informed of someone else’s alignment

Isn't that how informed town works? Serious question.

Well, I’m not scum. Don’t really have much else to say about it.

And i think Flippy is more than likely town.

As well as Skygazer.

So you’re wrong somewhere if you’re town.

If you’re scum carry on

There's 1 scum left and I have 3 scum reads. Of course I'm wrong somewhere.

Aside from me, who are your scum reads?

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@Pretentious, what's your town case on Emp? Is it solely based on his reaction to your vote?

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I don’t get why you’re bringing up informed like he was informed of someone else’s alignment

Isn't that how informed town works? Serious question.

Well, I’m not scum. Don’t really have much else to say about it.

And i think Flippy is more than likely town.

As well as Skygazer.

So you’re wrong somewhere if you’re town.

If you’re scum carry on

There's 1 scum left and I have 3 scum reads. Of course I'm wrong somewhere.

Aside from me, who are your scum reads?

what makes you so sure there's one scum left? especially with a informed townie. info is usually along the lines of traitor or more scum than usual isn't it?

2 reasons:
1. It's a 9 player normal game. I'm fairly certain mini normals have 2 scum.
2. In IRL games, the rule of thumb is 1 scum for every ~4 town. 1 for every 3 tips the scales too much in scum's favour.

If you compare it to our Newbie 1936 with JK vs 2 goons, an informed townie + maybe one other PR vs 1 goon / 1 maf PR would make sense.

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flips town

Yeah, that seemed like a genuine townslip.

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Taking Emp off my list for the townslip.

I liked my interaction with Pretentious. I'm a little wary of 456 though, as I can't tell if it's genuine or if it's just hedging and deflecting my question. I'll give it a reread tomorrow and see how I feel about it.

VOTE: Skygazer
Skygazer is the last of my scumreads for now.

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@Pretentious, if you're scum, you deserve a medal. These are some hard town posts.

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DGB
Kuribo
Pine
Espresso
Flippynips


Should be the claim order. There’s a reason for this order, hopefully somebody can see it.

So the reason for this is bcz you want DGB to claim first?

I originally thought you put all your scum reads at the bottom to force them into claiming VT or CCing a PR.

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UNVOTE:

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Espresso, can you unvote.

@Espresso - please unvote.

Potential ScumDGB benefits a lot if they can come in and hammer.

Mb. I went afk for a bit.

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I've never seen that kind of reaction before. Yikes.

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Welcome, Egix.

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I'm not convinced kuribo is scum. I feel like he would have reacted differently if he was.

@DGB did you give out fruit last night?

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I'm VT

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We go DGB today, if she flips FV, we know for a fact that the last scum is Ascetic (Egix) or Multitasking roleblocker who happened to roleblock the only PR in the game. Sorry, but I don’t buy that.

It’s 100% DGB or Egix.

We go DGB first. Everyone has town equity. We’re gonna lynch someone who’s townie because no one is inherently scummy.

What's the point of ascetic in this game if the only PRs are informed and FV?

Is it just to mess with the FV?

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And Gamma could have been Informed of an Ascetic role. With our mass claim, we know that all of our claims a legit except for one.

Informed townie - no power
6 VT
2 Mafia Goons

In a closed setup is still scum sided and makes sense

Informed townie - Ascetic
5 VT
2-shot FV

Goon
Mafia Ascetic

Also kinda works.

But why 2-shot.

What is the need for 2 shot there

You also mentioned earlier that DGB could be scum FV.

So it'd be:
Town: 1 IT & 6 VT
Mafia: 1 good & 1 FV

That setup looks pretty weird to me, but I believe that's the only one in which DGB is maf FV. I'd rather lynch someone not DGB to give her another chance to send out a fruit.

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I also don't see why an ascetic would be in the game with the FV as the only active PR.

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And why does scum!DGB claim FV when it'd be way easier to claim VT?

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...
Just keep rereading my posts until you guys understand it.
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I read through your posts and had 3 questions/comments. You ignored two and responded to one with a comment that you'd find on r/iamverysmart.

Being right doesn't automatically make you persuasive.

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VOTE: Skygazer I'm with you, Pine.

I'd rather not lynch DGB today.

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Spoiler:

It’s DGB, or you, then it goes DGB tomorrow, then Egix.

If you’re town, you will literally cost the game with that mindset.

if i'm wrong on my DGB/kuribo reads then @ me post game but like that looks like a path to a very quick loss and spite-lynching me for not wanting to lynch a TR of mine isn't a great look;;

i'm thinking ur town here so like look at the players that are just sitting out and letting town destroy itself rn

No, stop dealing with reads.

You deal with the missing fruit mechanically.

Nothing else.

I’m town with a confident solve

. Why would I be okay elsewhere? Especially when Skygazer is in that scenario to not lose, and DGB, if scum, will likely get away if isn’t lynched today, because a kill on me tonight, you guys still don’t lynch there.

VOTE: Pine

Aight, Egix, you can go here.

What are you even saying at this point?

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I literally just called you Town ten minutes ago, you paranoid shrubbery

Imo, he's mad that you called him out. Everything after his vote on you is a rationalization for his OMGUS vote on you.

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VOTE: Pine

Aight, Egix, you can go here.

Sigh

VOTE: King of the Forest

Also since when is Gazer scumreading my slot?

Why are you sheeping?

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I looked over your posts again, @Pretentious.

Scum!DGB FV just doesn't make sense to me. That'd be one IT and 6 VT vs a going and FV. What function does FV fill here?

With that in mind, I'd like to keep DGB alive another day to see if someone gets a fruit. You correctly raised the possibility of the fruit target being the same as the scum kill. It's possible but unlikely - I say we take the chance.

Regarding the lynch today:

Why would there be a Roleblocker in this setup?

Actually, scum made a kill last night. That was their action. They’re likely not multitasking in a game like this, and if they are it’s just DGB Multitasking fruit, but i think that was a lie.

There’s not really an answer to Egix not getting a fruit. DGB being first hurt her.

If DGB flips town, then Egix is Ascetic, and Gamma could have been Informed of an Ascetic Role.

I think we kill DGB here.

There’s no other way the fruit couldn’t have gotten to Egix/Kuribo other than DGB lying about sending it, (my theory is they are that role, and said 2 shot to try and “prove it to us” tonight.)

Or Egix is Ascetic.

I’m not seeing the point in having multitasking here, so yeah.

DGB today, and that probably ends the game, if not Egix is conf scum.

Why don't we reverse the order and lynch Egix today? It'll confirm or sent the ascetic line + give a chance for DGB to hand out a fruit.

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None of the above applies if we have a multitask RBer. I don't see how we figure that out though.

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@Pretentious, can you ease up a bit with the whole 'pretentious persona' thing you're doing.

If it's not an act:
Instead of assuming everyone else is the problem, consider the possibility that you're not as good at explaining things as you think you are. Plenty of experts can explain their work/research to a lay person without compromising the substance of the material.

Happy to chat more about written and oral advocacy after the game of that interests you. I'd like to learn how to do mechanical solves. I've mostly played mafia IRL, and mechanical solves in those games are rare compared to forum games.

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That said, for how Towny kuribo was, Egix has indeed been super sketchy

I'd be willing to lynch that.

Same

VOTE: Egix

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Great game, all!