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Post Post #650 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:16 am

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Post Post #651 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:24 am

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In post 648, Pretentious wrote:We go DGB today, if she flips FV, we know for a fact that the last scum is Ascetic (Egix) or Multitasking roleblocker who happened to roleblock the only PR in the game. Sorry, but I don’t buy that.

It’s 100% DGB or Egix.

We go DGB first. Everyone has town equity. We’re gonna lynch someone who’s townie because no one is inherently scummy.
What's the point of ascetic in this game if the only PRs are informed and FV?

Is it just to mess with the FV?
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Post Post #652 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:11 am

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In post 622, Pretentious wrote:I feel DGB claimed and was trying to add fake setup spec somewhere.
I breadcrumbed it in my first post, so there's that.
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Post Post #653 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:12 am

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In post 633, Pretentious wrote:The fruit not showing up confirms either DGB or Egix as scum due to a kill going through.

We lynch in that order.
You realize I have another fruit I can send tonight?
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Post Post #654 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:15 am

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In post 649, Egix96 wrote:
In post 648, Pretentious wrote:We go DGB today, if she flips FV, we know for a fact that the last scum is Ascetic (Egix) or Multitasking roleblocker who happened to roleblock the only PR in the game. Sorry, but I don’t buy that.

It’s 100% DGB or Egix.

We go DGB first. Everyone has town equity. We’re gonna lynch someone who’s townie because no one is inherently scummy.
VOTE: DGB

Looks like it's GG EZ then.
Look at who really likes Pretentious' dumb theory.
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Post Post #655 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:16 pm

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No one wants to say anything?

Who wants to put forward that, as scum, I breadcrumbed fruit vendor, then not only claimed fruit vendor, but drew negative attention to myself by needlessly pointing out that my target didn't receive the fruit.

Go ahead I'm waiting.
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Post Post #656 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:41 pm

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I’ve already explained that. That’s a stronger scum move than not.

And DGB, if you’re town, mislynching you conf’s Egix.

I’m not dealing with FV WIFOM, because I know I’m this scenario, if I were scum, I could abuse the fuck out of DGB being a legit town FV.

“Yeah but they’re not you” i like to think people are more capable than people expect.
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Post Post #657 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:41 pm

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In post 651, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 648, Pretentious wrote:We go DGB today, if she flips FV, we know for a fact that the last scum is Ascetic (Egix) or Multitasking roleblocker who happened to roleblock the only PR in the game. Sorry, but I don’t buy that.

It’s 100% DGB or Egix.

We go DGB first. Everyone has town equity. We’re gonna lynch someone who’s townie because no one is inherently scummy.
What's the point of ascetic in this game if the only PRs are informed and FV?

Is it just to mess with the FV?
No clue. I think that’s less likely than DGB just being scum, though.
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Post Post #658 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:42 pm

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Egix has town equity there because no matter what Egix goes next tomorrow if DGB flips town.
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Post Post #659 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:43 pm

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remember when i said i hope no one shifts over to a stupid wagon delaying my mislynch forward a day and i should just be lynched now

good times

pedit: egix has town equity from being kuribo's slot regardless
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Post Post #660 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:43 pm

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We also get confirmation on setup with a DGB flip.

It’s the optimal lynch.

We lynch literally anywhere else, and we mislynch, then we come back EXACTLY where we are today, just with one less day, and additional WIFOM.
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Post Post #661 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:44 pm

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In post 659, Skygazer wrote:remember when i said i hope no one shifts over to a stupid wagon delaying my mislynch forward a day and i should just be lynched now

good times

pedit: egix has town equity from being kuribo's slot regardless
Then it’s you skygazer.


Like seriously, it’s just you then if you’re going to be difficult.

Anyone who thinks this is a “stupid lynch” is just being dumb themselves because it’s clearly the optimal lynch.
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Post Post #662 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:45 pm

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still unsure how lynching a townie is optimal

... :P
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Post Post #663 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:47 pm

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You’re being difficult for the sake of being difficult, which is scum.


DGB also pushed the “i crumbed!” card which is a pretty strong scum indicator too.

Scum crumb more than town.

On top of that, i wasn’t even doubting the fruit vendor claim, I was doubting the alignment.

That’s exactly why DGB goes today, because I believe she is a FV, and you guys are going to see a fruit and instantly go “oh, must be town”

When that is just plain incorrect.
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Post Post #664 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:47 pm

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In post 662, Skygazer wrote:still unsure how lynching a townie is optimal

... :P
Then we’re lynching you.

That’s how this fucking goes.

It’s DGB, or you, then it goes DGB tomorrow, then Egix.

If you’re town, you will literally cost the game with that mindset.
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Post Post #665 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:49 pm

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FV aren't normally Multitasking right? & would it be considered multitasking using your ability & also the NK
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Post Post #666 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:49 pm

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2-shot fv + informed could arguably be balanced depending on the info plus other things

i fail to see how a single informed townie could be considered balanced; even if the info was somethin stupid like "you know ?? and ?? are town" like it just screws town over if it's killed N1 and BNL/S_S seem to be more on the side of anti-swing based on my limited interactions w them/their setups
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Post Post #667 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:50 pm

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I’ve pushed policy lynching confirmed town before because it was optimal to help town win, which it was, and had we listened to me saying to policy Quick years back, whaddya know, it would have been a victory.

Lynching town can be optimal.

Except we aren’t even for sure lynching town here.

You could make that exact fucking case on literally anyone in this game at this point.

I could hard town case Pine.

I could hard town case myself.

I could hard town case Espresso.

I could hard town case DGB.

I could hard town case FlippyNips.

I could soft town case Skygazer.

I’m correct in reading all but one of you guys in that scenario.

We do not have the info to accurately state other wise, so we lynch DGB
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Post Post #668 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:52 pm

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It’s DGB, or you, then it goes DGB tomorrow, then Egix.

If you’re town, you will literally cost the game with that mindset.
if i'm wrong on my DGB/kuribo reads then @ me post game but like that looks like a path to a very quick loss and spite-lynching me for not wanting to lynch a TR of mine isn't a great look;;

i'm thinking ur town here so like look at the players that are just sitting out and letting town destroy itself rn
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Post Post #669 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:52 pm

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In post 665, Emperor flippyNips wrote:FV aren't normally Multitasking right? & would it be considered multitasking using your ability & also the NK
Yeah, in normal games you can’t use your ability and night kill.

Which is why a fruit not showing up here is significant.

I also had DGB and Kuribo claiming at the top for that reason because they were more likely to claim a PR aid scum.
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Post Post #670 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:52 pm

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can you hard towncase pine for me?
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Post Post #671 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:53 pm

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In post 668, Skygazer wrote:
It’s DGB, or you, then it goes DGB tomorrow, then Egix.

If you’re town, you will literally cost the game with that mindset.
if i'm wrong on my DGB/kuribo reads then @ me post game but like that looks like a path to a very quick loss and spite-lynching me for not wanting to lynch a TR of mine isn't a great look;;

i'm thinking ur town here so like look at the players that are just sitting out and letting town destroy itself rn
No, stop dealing with reads.

You deal with the missing fruit mechanically.

Nothing else.
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Post Post #672 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:56 pm

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but occam's razor

why;; would scum just straight up claim that they vended and it didn't go through?

i mean i've done that before w my friendly neighbor gambit but I wasn't playing to endgame and wasn't last scum alive

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Post Post #673 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:00 pm

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I had the exact same read as you with DGB/Kuribo prior. The missing fruit is significant.

Egix makes zero sense to just go along with this because he dies tomorrow.

There was a death. And Roleblocker in this setup honestly does not make sense. Needs multitasking.

Not only that, they’d have to target DGB here as well.

Occam’s razor is DGB’s fruit is missing because A) she couldn’t send fruit because she was making kill. B)Egix is Ascetic C) she lied. This is why finding out if she’s a fruit vendor by night actions is useless because it doesn’t stop the need to lynch her tomorrow.

You could say “multitasking Roleblocker made the kill and happened to target the only other or in the game, which isnt even dangerous.”

That is such a marginal possibility that the risk isn’t even a risk or detrimental to us, and the reard is huge and much more likely.

Pine is necessary for me to get this lynch through, and he is continuing to push you.

ScumPine’s wincon is lined up because of this push, and he’s actively not going for it when going with it doesn’t even hurt scum him in the slightest.

Occam’s razor Pine is town because of fruit.

This is also BNL and SS designed/reviewed game, 2 players I am extremely familiar with on a player level, and mod level, and designer level.
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Post Post #674 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:02 pm

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In post 672, Skygazer wrote:but occam's razor

why;; would scum just straight up claim that they vended and it didn't go through?

i mean i've done that before w my friendly neighbor gambit but I wasn't playing to endgame and wasn't last scum alive

brb doing some things rq
That’s literally why...


The worst case scenario here is DGB flips town fruit vendor, and we know for a damn fact something stopped it, likely Egix being Ascetic.

You’re saying Occam’s razor to the more complicated reasoning
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