Mini Normal 2086 - Pastries! GAME OVER!

[Pretentious]

I see that the largest wagon is on DGB and if I see correctly, it’s Kuribo pushing a meta tell?

But is meta really a reliable and accurate way to read players in this game. When was the last time you played with each other, and are you both aware that you can DGB can be read by Kuribo?

[Pretentious]

No, all I’m saying is that I don’t believe that we should use meta as the main source for a case, especially if said supplementary meta isn’t relevant to the times.

[Pretentious]

No, all I’m saying is that I don’t believe that we should use meta as the main source for a case, especially if said supplementary meta isn’t relevant to the times

[Pretentious]

Excuse the double post, I seem to have dropped my phone, still getting the hang of this new hand protection glove that lets you work out your wrist daily. I saw this ad for it on Pinterest.

[Pretentious]

I can the confusion, as I am currently voting DGB. Let’s just start over.

UNVOTE: DGB

I am changing my stance on that slot.

[Pretentious]

Is anyone townreading this? => can they explain why at like a game related level? (sorry kuribo, your defence didn't do a lot for me)

It's exactly in line with what I expect from town DGB.

That "defence" wasn't meant for you, and you're free to disregard it if your mafia play is as bad as your grammar and spelling.

I guess I misread the tone mixed in with the push— I see you are aggressively

defending

DGB, but the point still stands, but in the opposite direction. I’m not saying I disagree with that. I’m not looking to fight, I didn’t mean to offend anyone.

[Pretentious]

I'm vry woke

By definition of woke, that generally implies referring to awareness of racial issues and social injustices, which I don’t believe we were referring to, but if something was misconstrued, I deeply apologize; I didn’t mean to offend, however I am happy to hear you are “woke”.

[Pretentious]

Meh, maybe it’s just Dann-Deb scum team

This was actually posted into the wrong game anyways, my mistake.

[Pretentious]

Who’s the other player who asked to be replaced out?

Peep the recent VC

[Pretentious]

VOTE: Nips

I’m a traffic analyst.

[Pretentious]

Game over

[Pretentious]

Pt cop, not TA.

[Pretentious]

Espresso’s town af by pushing Pisskop, DGB/kuribo seemed T/T so long as kuribo wasn’t WK’ing,

Which left Nips, Pine, Skygazer. A kill off the wagon and on the person who was pushing Pisskop also implies scum on the wagon, so that cleared Sky gazer (whom i thought was town already prior to that night kill)

Assumed bussing on Pisskop.

[Pretentious]

Awesome.

UNVOTE: Flippy

Flippy’s town.

ScumFlippy wouldn’t come after me with that and would stick with defending.

[Pretentious]

Traffic Analyst targets people to see if they can communicate privately, just having a PT means nothing

[Pretentious]

Hear me out, but I think the last scum is Espresso. It was too perfect of an entrance, Pisskop replaced out.

Myself, flippynips, and i believe Skygazer? we’re on their sights for a mislynch.

I think Kuribo-DGB are a town duo, Pine and Skygazer acted well.

Also, why does scum kill Gamma instead of Espresso if they are both town?

[Pretentious]

Interesting.
VOTE: nipz was tossing up between this and pisskop

Bus a buddy vote a townie

[Pretentious]

Skyg try to read me off smth other than activity I double dare you

Trying to challenge townSky to push him when he knows there isn’t enough ammunition to get him.

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Espresso is TW

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Pisskop's a long time buddy who I would have loved to be scum with, or defend, and as scum, I could even use the wait for replacement excuse.

Im not afraid of hard defending buddies, I claimed masons to try and protect my buddy recently even.

And Gamma's also someone on record who I have played with a lot, and I even got him to vote a role cop confirmed miller once in 3p lylo. That's not a kill I make.

WIFOM, sure, but just trying to help because I know I'm on the lower end this game on the scum spectrum

[Pretentious]

FL, flippynips, and i believe Skygazer. You three are in my scumreads.

why to all the above? or are we just people you're wary of?

Eh, sure, you had time to take your vote off of PK, but that’s not how bussing works.

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Didn’t mean to quote Flippy there. I was responding to espresso.

[Pretentious]

I don’t get why you’re bringing up informed like he was informed of someone else’s alignment

[Pretentious]

Well, I’m not scum. Don’t really have much else to say about it.

And i think Flippy is more than likely town.

As well as Skygazer.

So you’re wrong somewhere if you’re town.

If you’re scum carry on

[Pretentious]

Hmm.

Nah, informed could mean anything. We just know they were informed of something.

Could be like “there are 3 VT’s in this game” there are no millers, yadda yadda.

Yeah, flippynips wouldn’t have 1v1’d me the way he did. As scum, he’d be stuck more and 1v1jng would lead to his death eventually anyways. This is town flippynips

[Pretentious]

I don’t get why you’re bringing up informed like he was informed of someone else’s alignment

Isn't that how informed town works? Serious question.

Well, I’m not scum. Don’t really have much else to say about it.

And i think Flippy is more than likely town.

As well as Skygazer.

So you’re wrong somewhere if you’re town.

If you’re scum carry on

There's 1 scum left and I have 3 scum reads. Of course I'm wrong somewhere.

Aside from me, who are your scum reads?

I’m at the point where I could see anyone being scum, even in my town reads. That’s what I’m trying to figure out.

I felt like my case on you was solid, even if it ends up being wrong, and i plan to point stuff like that out, all my thoughts, just to get it out there.

[Pretentious]

Yeah, no way of knowing.

[Pretentious]

Millers are pretty normal nowadays

[Pretentious]

It also became a big fake claim gambit about a year back, but the fad seems to have died down.

A few of us started pulling off some big wins with a miller gambit, and when that kind of thing happens, of course it’s gonna see more light.

It inspired like 5 Miller setups no cop

[Pretentious]

flips town

[Pretentious]

There’s other reasons why flip is town.

I could go Skygazer, just to have my own confirmation on whether or not there was bussing on pisskop.

My town read on Sky is for weak reasoning, and i could see that as possible scum.

Kuribo-DGB seem like town town, but that could be by design if one is scum.

Espresso I’m starting to think is town again. I just got paranoid by the day 1.

[Pretentious]

I like Pine for town too, he seemed genuine when responding to my gambit whilst sky just kind of piggybacked.

Yeah, let’s go Sky.

VOTE: Skygazer

[Pretentious]

UNVOTE: Sky

sure

[Pretentious]

Kuribo-DGB seem like town town, but that could be by design if one is scum.

I've never been more convinced btw of DGB's towniness


Scum DGB absolutely does not hand me the hammer on her only buddy. She dislikes bussing in general and she knows giving me a hammer is a death sentence.

The Oracle has spoken, the spirits have guided me. DGB is town. No take backs.

i think you're the one I'm more worried about, but gut wants to say you are hard town.


sky is probably just scum

[Pretentious]

i think you're the one I'm more worried about, but gut wants to say you are hard town.

you'd drive yourself insane for years trying to figure out if i'd hammer my own scumbuddy on day 1

i like to take actions like that as individual actions and connect multiple actions together. townie things can end up being scum motivated in those scenarios and vice versa.

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but then again, i've vigged my own scum buddy

i mean, you play on this site long enough and there's not a lot you can claim you wouldn't or haven't done

scum just tried to push townMe saying "he vigged his own partner" recently, and I nearly got lynched for it, so yeah, I get that. I have that rep already, I guess.

[Pretentious]

I've been around since 2014, got nothing on your 2007, but that's still older generally for around here.

[Pretentious]

Yee, I guess Espresso, Flippy, and Skygazer are the only newer people.

[Pretentious]

And scum is in them.

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@Sky - I hate bussing, but I hard protect my buddies.

You saw me claim Masons tot try and save ScumCheeky partner

[Pretentious]

Actually, I get off on bussing, but I like to win.

In face to face, I’ll bus all the time, because games are less of a commitment.

[Pretentious]

so for starters:

Town pile:
DGB/kuribo basically never change unless one of them catches the other slipping; plus if one was scum I'd imagine the other would be dead by now anyways

This probably hammer the nail in the coffin for ScumSky, though.

You played well. I respect your scum game.

But real recognizes real.

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Gamma the one word-poster

Flavor the self metacist
TW the guy sky said was scum


^^^
Lynch 2/3, go home, have a beer, gg.

The scum is probably right.

I actually feel like Pisskop purposely brought up his scum partner here, and actively didn’t bus because people would draw associations within it.
So i feel Sky is the one he is scum with in this post.

[Pretentious]

Sky’s posting is solid, but it’s scum analyzing the surface level and digging a little deeper into creating a gamestate.

Sky pulled off a friendly neighbor fake claim gambit and rolled town earlier this year (they killed me because Iw as only one who considered them lying)

[Pretentious]

I’m pondering the possibility that I’m wrong.

Can you claim Sky?

[Pretentious]

I’m a sucker for AtE, though

[Pretentious]

Let’s mass claim.
I am also VT.

[Pretentious]

Don’t self hammer dude

[Pretentious]

Mass claim.

[Pretentious]

I don’t really think Pine is scum, so I want as much info coming out of this day phase

[Pretentious]

DGB
Kuribo
Pine
Espresso
Flippynips


Should be the claim order. There’s a reason for this order, hopefully somebody can see it.

[Pretentious]

We can dayplay this game out, I feel.

[Pretentious]

Oh Im also Fuscosco if you didnt know.

@&@$&@!!!!

Fuck

[Pretentious]

I think Pine is cleared through complete lack of associations with a Pisskop.

He brings one thing up on Ircher/Pine, and its kind of throwaway.

That mixed in with Pine’s “kill him with fire” attitude, I think Pine is town.

[Pretentious]

Pine’s also not setting up an end game plan. There’s no scum agenda within him.

[Pretentious]

I’ve caught scumPine before, albeit years ago, and I had a pretty strong gut read there. I really wanna trust my read here.

[Pretentious]

Yeah, but I have reasons to believe he’s town

I think it’s in DGB/Kuribo, tbh. Probably the latter.

I only have shallow reasons to town read them, but they seem like strong solid reasons, when they actually aren’t, if that makes sense.

[Pretentious]

They’re also playing the “let town play the game and destroy themselves” game.

[Pretentious]

Which also explains why Gamma died over Espresso even though Espresso pushed the hardest. He had one scum hard scum read and the other a town read, which is how scum typically like to set up. With espeesso’s momentum from day 1, it’s easy to expect him to push through a mislynch whole scum do nothing

[Pretentious]

Kuribo’s also mainly been focused on making sure we know that this is DGB’s town game, which I feel isn’t actually for us. It’s for DGB.
Scum Kuribo likely sees DGB as their most likely threat, so they have to keep them in check.

I imagine an eventual night kill was in the works for an I told you so moment.


Gamma also lightweight pushed DGB.

[Pretentious]

Espresso, can you unvote.

[Pretentious]

Just so we can continue talking without a quick hammer.

[Pretentious]

DGB
Kuribo
Pine
Espresso
Flippynips


Should be the claim order. There’s a reason for this order, hopefully somebody can see it.

So the reason for this is bcz you want DGB to claim first?

I originally thought you put all your scum reads at the bottom to force them into claiming VT or CCing a PR.

I can also gauge the ability to fake claim by players, so I put DGB before Kuribo specifically because Kuribo has been on that DGB hype.

Pine I put after them because Pine can pull off a sneaky fake claim.

And Espresso/Flippynips is last because I feel the two of you can bleed town/bleed scum depending on your claim in that position, and id like to see the type of thought process that comes about for you two being last.

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@Espresso - please unvote.

Potential ScumDGB benefits a lot if they can come in and hammer.

[Pretentious]

I can also see potential townDGB coming in and hammering, which just causes a lot of confusion.

[Pretentious]

So you’re pushing Pine and thinking he’s scum?

Alright.


@Kuribo - you’re next to claim.

[Pretentious]

can't tell if this is scum AtE or not.

I guess we just continue the mass claim for now.

And even if I'm wrong on you, that doesn't make me scum, Kuribo. If you feel that's the case, that just means you're scum playing the angry card (we've all done it) or surface level town. I'm not even coming after you for sure, I'm going over the game and actually analyzing.


Also, I have the most posts. I'm Flavor Leaf, so add my two accounts together, and I'm the highest poster in this game, so I don't really understand that as a defense.

[Pretentious]

If I'm wrong in thinking you are scum, show me that I'm wrong. I've gone through essentially everyone and pushed at them this game. That's pretty classic town me, I can even link you games where that's how my analysis work. I essentially run down a list of possible scenarios. We went through, flippy, we went through espresso, through skygazer, now here.

Yesterday I was pushing DGB a little.

Mafia is fluid, and potential conversation, and even an incorrect analysis is good for the game.

PS: I am the 1v1 god when I'm scum. You could only beat me here if you're scum and I'm town, and even then I'm not entirely sure that would go through because if you're scum, I got you. Now just have to figure out if that's the right path.



@Pine - you're up. This looks to be a low power game.

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and by sitting back, I meant in the sense of the current topic of discussion, not the entirety of the game. I think it's fine to sit out, and that's not necessarily a scummy thing to do, if you are scum, that's just what is happening.

[Pretentious]

Take that softball bullshit and come at me like a man or don't come at me at all

this is the line that pings me the most out of everything. Why is this said? why is this the path that was taken? He wants to force a 1v1, but I'm literally just trying to solve the game. This to me comes off as false bravado.

I could be wrong, but I still feel I'm more likely correct.

ScumKuribo could be pushing at me with the hopes of getting me lynched, and I'm protecting the main mislynch candidates, which scum need to keep open, so there is a scum play there, I see.

[Pretentious]

Town doesn't make disingenuous fucking arguments that are demonstrably false dude

Which is exactly what you did

i can link you to my games if you want, because I get comments like this a lot as town.


My scum game generally I'm known as someone who is almost too concise and clear.

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don't vote him up yet. I still want to talk to people.

I'd also like to point out Kuribo has said with his own words that he would and has done everything including vigging his buddy, so from what I see is him making a last ditch effort because he sees himself going down. I've played this card, but I've also played this as town, and he's AtE'ing hard.

[Pretentious]

how am I acting like a moron? I don't see it. Can you explain? This isn't sarcasm. I'm really trying to find out your thought process.

What about you getting scum read set you off? Because you aren't conf town, so it's acceptable to believe you could have rolled scum. You had the same chance as everyone; it's not your fault.

I could be wrong on you, but you're doing nothing to help me see that I am.

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Thanks for fucking reminding me why I stopped playing on this Fucking site.

because you're someone who can't handled being scum read in a game that requires people to trick people into thinking people are scum so when people are correct you feel like you fail?

I don't comprehend your lack of thought process. It's okay to be scum read.

[Pretentious]

seems like it.

[Pretentious]

I tell you sickos what I'ma be pilin a list of y'all that were like "oh Kuribos town no wait I can't call too many people town gotta keep something in my back pocket"

If you're scum you best not bother coming at me, I ain't been mislynched but twice in twelve fucking years on this site, and ain't none of you on the level of CKD or GreyICE so get that thought out your fuckin head

On the note of this, I have caught GreyIce as scum and powersolved in games with the both of us as town/town.

I'm also someone who has an extremely low mislynch rate.

And the thing is, call me cocky, but I'm just on a different level because I can debate and analyze without the use of going hard aggo while simultaneously handling aggression with ease.

People just don't like that I can hyper analyze them on a site where analysis should be the main thing people do in these games. This is literally the place to hyper analyze.

If you're town, you could have just tried to find who scum was, but you chose to attack.

That brings you down multiple levels strictly because you haven't learned with how to deal with being scum read.

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I DONT APPEAL TO FUCKING EMOTION YOU LYING SACK OF SHIT


I RAISE HELL WHEN PEOPLE ACT LIKE FUCKING MORONS

The thing is I'm great at lowering it when people try to raise it, and dive into the deep end.

This just seemed shallow.

[Pretentious]

oh no...this has a whole new meaning for me after that movie, flips...

[Pretentious]

oh hi egix.

[Pretentious]

oh hi egix.

Sup

I'll read later

yeah, you're the biggest suspect right now, but we're not in a rush. I'm not certain. We're mass claiming and your slot is up. Would you mind claiming?

[Pretentious]

yeah, I could see it.

It's claim time for you Pine. We're going through it all.

[Pretentious]

FlippyNips, you’re up to claim.

[Pretentious]

i think i saw a whileeeee ago that kuribo doesnt like to claim VT as scum; is this still true DGB?

Kuribo’s own words there’s nothing he wouldn’t do, though, but the freak out mixed with Egix entrance,8’ not entirely sure if I still believe that’s scum, I’m not throwing it out, but we can talk about stuff for a bit, I feel.

Once Flippy claims.

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DGB - 2 shot fruit vendor
Egix - VT
Skygazer - VT
Pine - VT
Flippynips - VT
Espresso - VT
Pretentious - VT

Gamma Emerald - Informed Townie
Pisskop - Mafia Goon

[Pretentious]

Anybody wanna take the guess on what Gamma’s Informed could be in a setup like this?

I’m leaning he’s Informed this game has no PR’s.

Like “this game is mountainous.” besides the Informed obvi.

Which means DGB.

Nobody claimed the fruit, Egix didn’t get it.

I feel DGB claimed and was trying to add fake setup spec somewhere.

So i think I’m lean DGB.

[Pretentious]

I just don’t know what else Gamma could have been Informed of.

[Pretentious]

Why would there be a Roleblocker in this setup?

Actually, scum made a kill last night. That was their action. They’re likely not multitasking in a game like this, and if they are it’s just DGB Multitasking fruit, but i think that was a lie.

There’s not really an answer to Egix not getting a fruit. DGB being first hurt her.

If DGB flips town, then Egix is Ascetic, and Gamma could have been Informed of an Ascetic Role.

I think we kill DGB here.

[Pretentious]

Fruit doesn’t confirm anything either, and easily can have a “targeted the night kill” block counter, which at this point, there’s a case to be made for anyone to be the NK, pretty evenly, so yeah.

Kill DGB today, if wrong, then we know for sure something fucked with the fruit.

[Pretentious]

I do not understand why kuribo did not get my raisin.

I don't think he'd lie about that given how he's defended me.

So... there's a roleblocker and that roleblocker is lying?

I don't think he'd lie about that given how he's defended me.

So... there's a roleblocker and that roleblocker is lying?

Well I haven't received any fruit afaik so... seems like it.

I actually really like this as a scum play too. It creates setup spec WIFOM, which with a flipped Informed townie, that’s pretty good.

[Pretentious]

Fruit doesn’t confirm anything either, and easily can have a “targeted the night kill” block counter, which at this point, there’s a case to be made for anyone to be the NK, pretty evenly, so yeah.

Kill DGB today, if wrong, then we know for sure something fucked with the fruit.

On top of this, we know for sure SCUM had something to do with blocking the fruit, and it likely was more of an Ascetic because scum made a kill last night.

I’m theorizing that DGB night actually be a Mafia 2 shot Fruit Vendor for real, but they aren’t multitasking, so they couldn’t send a fruit.

Either way, I believe this game ends going DGB, then if that doesn’t work, it means Egix is Ascetic who didn’t receive the fruit that way, meaning they lied about their role.

But yeah, this game is done.

VOTE: DGB

[Pretentious]

There’s no other way the fruit couldn’t have gotten to Egix/Kuribo other than DGB lying about sending it, (my theory is they are that role, and said 2 shot to try and “prove it to us” tonight.)

Or Egix is Ascetic.

I’m not seeing the point in having multitasking here, so yeah.

DGB today, and that probably ends the game, if not Egix is conf scum.

[Pretentious]

Honestly, it’s kinda just a mechanical thing here now.

The game victory is solved, this is just the path.

[Pretentious]

The fruit not showing up confirms either DGB or Egix as scum due to a kill going through.

We lynch in that order.

[Pretentious]

We aren't lynching DGB.

Scum roleblocker Occam's Razors everything you said out of the water

DGB isn’t scum by play, she’s scum mechanically, and if she’s town, Egix is scum, mechanically.

We used solid day play to enable this kind of mech solve.

[Pretentious]

If somehow that isn’t the solve, extremely unlikely, I wanna say almost 0 chance, then go Sky.

[Pretentious]

Pretty much if we can agree that flippyNips, myself, Pine, and espresso are town, this game's a victory, and I believe there's a good chance for this to be true.

Pretentious
Espresso
Pine
FlippyNips
SkyGazer
Egix
DGB

is my townie to scum list, and if we lynch from the bottom up, I'm pretty sure we just win.

[Pretentious]

Hmm.

Nah, informed could mean anything. We just know they were informed of something.

Could be like “there are 3 VT’s in this game” there are no millers, yadda yadda.

this could be the info too. but I'm assuming traitor or more than the usual amount of scum until proven otherwise

unless this is tmi

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flips town

flips town

Yeah, that seemed like a genuine townslip.

I don't trust townslips because they're too easy to fake, especially "TEE HEE LYLO ON DAY TWO IS TOTES POSSIBLE YOU GUYS"

but I expect Skygazer's death to give us the win so I'm okay with giving that a pass

hmm, idk. i'm in the air for flips. I think he's probably just town, but getting a little second guessy.

Unless DGB was town lying about the fruit to catch potential KuriboScum.

[Pretentious]

we're not lynching a player that can confirm themselves via fruit

That doesn’t confirm them even if there is fruit.

[Pretentious]

while shes town for day play reasons, a fruit and a kill on the same night literally clears her barring the whole multitasking thing

I mean, scum just no kill regardless in that scenario, and don’t lose out on a mislynch because of it.

It just creates more WIFOM to let that go through when in the end it’s completely irrelevant.

[Pretentious]

Pretty sure Gamma just knew there wasn’t any town PR’s. Which is why he didn’t claim the info.

He was waiting for someone to claim a PR.

[Pretentious]

I actually don’t think she’s townier than anyone else here by day play.

In fact, I could case every single player here for having a townier day play than her at this point.

[Pretentious]

We go DGB today, if she flips FV, we know for a fact that the last scum is Ascetic (Egix) or Multitasking roleblocker who happened to roleblock the only PR in the game. Sorry, but I don’t buy that.

It’s 100% DGB or Egix.

We go DGB first. Everyone has town equity. We’re gonna lynch someone who’s townie because no one is inherently scummy.

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I’ve already explained that. That’s a stronger scum move than not.

And DGB, if you’re town, mislynching you conf’s Egix.

I’m not dealing with FV WIFOM, because I know I’m this scenario, if I were scum, I could abuse the fuck out of DGB being a legit town FV.

“Yeah but they’re not you” i like to think people are more capable than people expect.

[Pretentious]

We go DGB today, if she flips FV, we know for a fact that the last scum is Ascetic (Egix) or Multitasking roleblocker who happened to roleblock the only PR in the game. Sorry, but I don’t buy that.

It’s 100% DGB or Egix.

We go DGB first. Everyone has town equity. We’re gonna lynch someone who’s townie because no one is inherently scummy.

What's the point of ascetic in this game if the only PRs are informed and FV?

Is it just to mess with the FV?

No clue. I think that’s less likely than DGB just being scum, though.

[Pretentious]

Egix has town equity there because no matter what Egix goes next tomorrow if DGB flips town.

[Pretentious]

We also get confirmation on setup with a DGB flip.

It’s the optimal lynch.

We lynch literally anywhere else, and we mislynch, then we come back EXACTLY where we are today, just with one less day, and additional WIFOM.

[Pretentious]

remember when i said i hope no one shifts over to a stupid wagon delaying my mislynch forward a day and i should just be lynched now

good times

pedit: egix has town equity from being kuribo's slot regardless

Then it’s you skygazer.


Like seriously, it’s just you then if you’re going to be difficult.

Anyone who thinks this is a “stupid lynch” is just being dumb themselves because it’s clearly the optimal lynch.

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You’re being difficult for the sake of being difficult, which is scum.


DGB also pushed the “i crumbed!” card which is a pretty strong scum indicator too.

Scum crumb more than town.

On top of that, i wasn’t even doubting the fruit vendor claim, I was doubting the alignment.

That’s exactly why DGB goes today, because I believe she is a FV, and you guys are going to see a fruit and instantly go “oh, must be town”

When that is just plain incorrect.

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still unsure how lynching a townie is optimal

...

Then we’re lynching you.

That’s how this fucking goes.

It’s DGB, or you, then it goes DGB tomorrow, then Egix.

If you’re town, you will literally cost the game with that mindset.

[Pretentious]

I’ve pushed policy lynching confirmed town before because it was optimal to help town win, which it was, and had we listened to me saying to policy Quick years back, whaddya know, it would have been a victory.

Lynching town can be optimal.

Except we aren’t even for sure lynching town here.

You could make that exact fucking case on literally anyone in this game at this point.

I could hard town case Pine.

I could hard town case myself.

I could hard town case Espresso.

I could hard town case DGB.

I could hard town case FlippyNips.

I could soft town case Skygazer.

I’m correct in reading all but one of you guys in that scenario.

We do not have the info to accurately state other wise, so we lynch DGB

[Pretentious]

FV aren't normally Multitasking right? & would it be considered multitasking using your ability & also the NK

Yeah, in normal games you can’t use your ability and night kill.

Which is why a fruit not showing up here is significant.

I also had DGB and Kuribo claiming at the top for that reason because they were more likely to claim a PR aid scum.

[Pretentious]

It’s DGB, or you, then it goes DGB tomorrow, then Egix.

If you’re town, you will literally cost the game with that mindset.

if i'm wrong on my DGB/kuribo reads then @ me post game but like that looks like a path to a very quick loss and spite-lynching me for not wanting to lynch a TR of mine isn't a great look;;

i'm thinking ur town here so like look at the players that are just sitting out and letting town destroy itself rn

No, stop dealing with reads.

You deal with the missing fruit mechanically.

Nothing else.

[Pretentious]

I had the exact same read as you with DGB/Kuribo prior. The missing fruit is significant.

Egix makes zero sense to just go along with this because he dies tomorrow.

There was a death. And Roleblocker in this setup honestly does not make sense. Needs multitasking.

Not only that, they’d have to target DGB here as well.

Occam’s razor is DGB’s fruit is missing because A) she couldn’t send fruit because she was making kill. B)Egix is Ascetic C) she lied. This is why finding out if she’s a fruit vendor by night actions is useless because it doesn’t stop the need to lynch her tomorrow.

You could say “multitasking Roleblocker made the kill and happened to target the only other or in the game, which isnt even dangerous.”

That is such a marginal possibility that the risk isn’t even a risk or detrimental to us, and the reard is huge and much more likely.

Pine is necessary for me to get this lynch through, and he is continuing to push you.

ScumPine’s wincon is lined up because of this push, and he’s actively not going for it when going with it doesn’t even hurt scum him in the slightest.

Occam’s razor Pine is town because of fruit.

This is also BNL and SS designed/reviewed game, 2 players I am extremely familiar with on a player level, and mod level, and designer level.

[Pretentious]

but occam's razor

why;; would scum just straight up claim that they vended and it didn't go through?

i mean i've done that before w my friendly neighbor gambit but I wasn't playing to endgame and wasn't last scum alive

brb doing some things rq

That’s literally why...


The worst case scenario here is DGB flips town fruit vendor, and we know for a damn fact something stopped it, likely Egix being Ascetic.

You’re saying Occam’s razor to the more complicated reasoning

[Pretentious]

And Gamma could have been Informed of an Ascetic role. With our mass claim, we know that all of our claims a legit except for one.

Informed townie - no power
6 VT
2 Mafia Goons

In a closed setup is still scum sided and makes sense

Informed townie - Ascetic
5 VT
2-shot FV

Goon
Mafia Ascetic

Also kinda works.

But why 2-shot.

What is the need for 2 shot there

[Pretentious]

DGB did what she did so she could claim she did what she did so you would act the way that you did

[Pretentious]

Occam’s razor is DGB’s fruit is missing because A) she couldn’t send fruit because she was making kill. B)Egix is Ascetic C) she lied. This is why finding out if she’s a fruit vendor by night actions is useless because it doesn’t stop the need to lynch her tomorrow.

Hey scumbag

I am town and really did send fruit

Let's pre-emptively hear your explanation for that now

You clearly are more surface level than I thought because I literally answered that in the post you quoted.

I knew I was next level, but this site’s really been making me realize I’m just multiple levels ahead. Idk what’s happening.

Thought we were progressing forward.

[Pretentious]

And why does scum!DGB claim FV when it'd be way easier to claim VT?

I’m not explaining it again. Just keep rereading my posts until you guys understand it.

And I’ve explained that there too. It means Egix is scum likely.

[Pretentious]

Honestly, I don’t give a fuck about seeing if there’s a fruit or not.

Thats just gonna cause more WIFOM.

I’m not moving for the day, so you guys do whatever you want.

Done trying to be the only one doing any analytical work and having people just try to discredit.

If you think it’s wrong, prove it. Do the work.

[Pretentious]

I’ve literally started this day pushing Flippy, then to espresso, onto Sky, then Kuribo, and finally landed on DGB.


Pine’s only one I haven’t pushed as scum today.

And it’s because I’ve gone through it, and talked it out to a point where I have town read someone.

So I’ve done the work on going through literally everyone, and you guys can’t say the same and yet still near blindly defending someone where there’s literally a case to be made for everyone here to be town.

Do we just not fucking lynch? Scum can come off as townier

I’ve been “cleared” and conf Towned so many times as scum before. It’s actually EASIER to become that as scum than town.

[Pretentious]

Egix stay on and afk

[Pretentious]

I’m actually known for being incredibly persuasive tbh.

And I’m correct here, so i don’t need to be persuasive.

Just gotta wait for you guys to catch up to my level.

[Pretentious]

Nah

[Pretentious]

I’m town with a confident solve. Why would I be okay elsewhere? Especially when Skygazer is in that scenario to not lose, and DGB, if scum, will likely get away if isn’t lynched today, because a kill on me tonight, you guys still don’t lynch there.

[Pretentious]

I’m the most likely death tonight even if DGB is town because it can push there.

So the fact that I just don’t flat out get to do anything?

Yeah, I’m the douche. Okay.

[Pretentious]

You can lynch Skygazer literally whenever the fuck you want, but you’re too impatient to just give it a day and go for the actual mechanical solve that gives much more info and confirmation setup.

[Pretentious]

Time to start heelin’ off around these places. Ain’t getting anywhere being the good guy.

[Pretentious]

There is just no way you’re the kill. You’re too likely a mislynch target.

Nah, kill is either DGB or myself. She’s shown resilience against a serious wagon attempt, and rn no one is SRing me. Outside chance Nips or EP takes it to obfuscate things. You’re like...fifth or sixth on the hit list

I’m never a mislynch target here. Never.

[Pretentious]

If scum actually think they can mislynch me here, they’re fucking terrible.

I’m the most obv town player in this game and the only person doing actual analytical work.

[Pretentious]

Skygazer is scum reading you, and if I change from DGB, I’m going Pine.

So today’s lynch is DGB or Pine

[Pretentious]

VOTE: Pine

Aight, Egix, you can go here.

[Pretentious]

Sky, I’m following your lead.

I just hit my last target, so I’ve literally gone through everyone this day phase. Meaning 1 of my cases were correct at this point.

Pine defending DGB sets up a scenario to have DGB-Egix mislynched later, and possibly even me at this point. Leaving a lot of mislynch options open.

[Pretentious]

While also saying I’m a mislynch option, which I’m really not if people actually do the work.

Maybe I’m putting too much credit on town, though.

I am objectively and analytically the player who has done most for trying to find scum this day phase, I’ve literally gone through everyone.

So done working with people if they’re all just gonna get shot down. I’m power lynching

[Pretentious]

@Espresso - a fruit didn’t go through. There’s only a few reasons for that being true. We fucking go through the reasons. I don’t understand what the issue is.

It’s a fruit vendor not a cop. If it ends up flipping town, oh well.

If we give it another night, and see a fruit, so what, it doesn’t confirm anything but the existence of a fruit. I’m still pushing that slot regardless of a fruit showing up tonight.

[Pretentious]

I literally just called you Town ten minutes ago, you paranoid shrubbery

Imo, he's mad that you called him out. Everything after his vote on you is a rationalization for his OMGUS vote on you.

Yup. He’s probably town, but he could be scum.

But he’s also something stopping the DGB lynch, which is going to stop town from winning.

So idc

[Pretentious]

And Skygazer is scum reading there too.

And it’s the only slot i hadn’t pushed this day phase.

[Pretentious]

Skygazer is scum reading you

Presuming "you" = me, was that meant to say "town reading"?

pedit @EP: Cos I'm tired and idk what else to do

It meant Pine.

[Pretentious]

This is how deepwolves coast to victory, btw. By allowing high WIFOM slots to live late.

Deepwolf Espresso/Flippy wins by not going DGB early.

[Pretentious]

Then you essentially go them instead, right?

Nope, then you just let ScumDGB pull a victory.

We have a scum caught Day 1, these are the days you take out the outliers and off things, IE, a fruit vendor claim that didn’t have a fruit go through in a setup with all VT and an informed when they were first in the claim.

Could be town, sure, but that’s always the case. No risk, high reward, but instead people want to go the low reward high risk path.

Okay.

[Pretentious]

Then the scummy af weak OMGUS with discredit attempts that were already countered.

She literally asked a question that was answered in the quote she posted which proves she’s just playing survival.

[Pretentious]

There is just no way you’re the kill. You’re too likely a mislynch target.

Nah, kill is either DGB or myself. She’s shown resilience against a serious wagon attempt, and rn no one is SRing me. Outside chance Nips or EP takes it to obfuscate things. You’re like...fifth or sixth on the hit list

And this is trash because DGB never fucking is night killed.

She’s doing extremely poor analysis work, weak ass OMGUS, and is being hard pushed by me.

I’m one of the players who’s night killed the most on this site, and I’ve been doing the most work, so yeah, okay. That makes sense.

[Pretentious]

And compared to the majority of players, she’s barely here.

[Pretentious]

The thing is, if Skygazer is in fact scum, Pine’s play just made it much more likely she pulls off a win.

The plan I put out took account for SkygazerScum, with wiggle room to get possible Flips deepwolf.

I feel like Pine is a mislynch, but he has deepwolf equity, so whatever. He also is stopping the DGB, which has scum equity, even though I think Occam’s Razor is DGB is just scum, which is why she can’t discredit me and asks questions answered in the quotes she quoted. Because I’m just right.

[Pretentious]

@Pine - would you lynch Flips?

[Pretentious]

And this is trash because DGB never fucking is night killed.

LOL I'm always nightkilled early. Where do you come up with this stuff?

Not when I’m pushing you.

[Pretentious]

Pretty obvious.

Thought older players were supposed to have common sense. Guess not.

Knew I was pretty advanced, but I thought the older players were closer to my level. Guess that was just a myth.

[Pretentious]

Occam’s razor is DGB’s fruit is missing because A) she couldn’t send fruit because she was making kill. B)Egix is Ascetic C) she lied. This is why finding out if she’s a fruit vendor by night actions is useless because it doesn’t stop the need to lynch her tomorrow.

How 'bout

EGIX LIED and DID RECEIVE THE FRUIT???

Sure.

I’ve already brought up ScumEgix potential, especially if you are town. Your flip would make that much more likely if you flip town.

[Pretentious]

I stopped caring.

I realized that no matter how hard I try to explain, people just can’t comprehend what I see as basic.

I have an issue seeing what I perceive as straight basic level when it’s completely complex to others. It really puts how next level I am into perspective.

[Pretentious]

Alright let me literally spell it out for you

D G B S E N T F R U I T

O N L Y C L A I M E D P R

F R U I T N O S H O W U P

E I T H E R D G B I S L Y I N G O R E G I X IS SCUM A S C E T I C O R L Y I N G A B O U T R E C E I V I N G I T

SO LYNCHING DGB CONFIRMS WHICH IS HAPPENING.

[Pretentious]

Those who can’t do, teach.

But I do, so I don’t teach.

People watch me do.

[Pretentious]

Or there’s a scum roleblocker

Or kuribo/Egix did receive the fruit

Or a few more obscure things

However, your attacking of everyone despite insisting on the aforementioned dichotomy makes you a hazard to the game, and I am seriously considering a for-real policy vote on you.

That said, for how Towny kuribo was, Egix has indeed been super sketchy

False.

Scum Roleblocker doesn’t solve it. Neeeeedds Multitasking.

[Pretentious]

And NOW YOU WANT THE EGIX SLOT?!?!??!?!?

Wtf.

That was my MAIN push this day phase.

Y’all annoying af.

VOTE: Egix

[Pretentious]

This flips town, you powerlynch DGB.

[Pretentious]

Been saying for so long scum was in DGB/Kuribo...

I’m the one that made Kuribo rage quit because I wasn’t pushing him, yet people like to forget and act like that didn’t happen.

[Pretentious]

I have addressed it.

Reward is far greater than the risk.

This is literally the time to make these lynches, so you don’t get fucked by it later.

If I’m just right and DGB is scum, this is on all of you, because I don’t expect you to go there even after this.

[Pretentious]

I’ve literally addressed everything.

[Pretentious]

People put too much stock into PR’s.

If I was pushing a cop (which I would), I’d understand the pushback, but it’s a fucking fruit bvendor.

Seeing a fruit does not prove shit

[Pretentious]

My lynch path was always DGB—>Egix.

I don’t like this as much as the other way around because DGB isn’t going to die because y’all can’t comprehend simple logic.

[Pretentious]

Don’t let Flippynips deep wolf

[Pretentious]

I’m fucking dead tonight.

Anyone who thinks differently is just surface level.

[Pretentious]

Because if I don’t die, there’s a high possibility I even pivot from DGB, but there’s still the possibility I don’t.

Scum don’t take that chance.

Not from one of the players with a high amount of solved this year and a high amount of being night killed.

[Pretentious]

And “scum never kill you”

Most surface level thing that could ever possibly come.

Because, yes, scum would kill me, have, even when people say that

And B) like just pick up on the WIFOM tactics I’m pushing against scum. Like come on, it’s not that difficult.

[Pretentious]

Yeah, but I have reasons to believe he’s town

I think it’s in DGB/Kuribo, tbh. Probably the latter.

I only have shallow reasons to town read them, but they seem like strong solid reasons, when they actually aren’t, if that makes sense.

They’re also playing the “let town play the game and destroy themselves” game.

Which also explains why Gamma died over Espresso even though Espresso pushed the hardest. He had one scum hard scum read and the other a town read, which is how scum typically like to set up. With espeesso’s momentum from day 1, it’s easy to expect him to push through a mislynch whole scum do nothing

Kuribo’s also mainly been focused on making sure we know that this is DGB’s town game, which I feel isn’t actually for us. It’s for DGB.
Scum Kuribo likely sees DGB as their most likely threat, so they have to keep them in check.

I imagine an eventual night kill was in the works for an I told you so moment.


Gamma also lightweight pushed DGB.

DGB
Kuribo
Pine
Espresso
Flippynips


Should be the claim order. There’s a reason for this order, hopefully somebody can see it.

So the reason for this is bcz you want DGB to claim first?

I originally thought you put all your scum reads at the bottom to force them into claiming VT or CCing a PR.

I can also gauge the ability to fake claim by players, so I put DGB before Kuribo specifically because Kuribo has been on that DGB hype.

Pine I put after them because Pine can pull off a sneaky fake claim.

And Espresso/Flippynips is last because I feel the two of you can bleed town/bleed scum depending on your claim in that position, and id like to see the type of thought process that comes about for you two being last.

If I'm wrong in thinking you are scum, show me that I'm wrong. I've gone through essentially everyone and pushed at them this game. That's pretty classic town me, I can even link you games where that's how my analysis work. I essentially run down a list of possible scenarios. We went through, flippy, we went through espresso, through skygazer, now here.

Yesterday I was pushing DGB a little.

Mafia is fluid, and potential conversation, and even an incorrect analysis is good for the game.

PS: I am the 1v1 god when I'm scum. You could only beat me here if you're scum and I'm town, and even then I'm not entirely sure that would go through because if you're scum, I got you. Now just have to figure out if that's the right path.



@Pine - you're up. This looks to be a low power game.

Take that softball bullshit and come at me like a man or don't come at me at all

this is the line that pings me the most out of everything. Why is this said? why is this the path that was taken? He wants to force a 1v1, but I'm literally just trying to solve the game. This to me comes off as false bravado.

I could be wrong, but I still feel I'm more likely correct.

ScumKuribo could be pushing at me with the hopes of getting me lynched, and I'm protecting the main mislynch candidates, which scum need to keep open, so there is a scum play there, I see.

how am I acting like a moron? I don't see it. Can you explain? This isn't sarcasm. I'm really trying to find out your thought process.

What about you getting scum read set you off? Because you aren't conf town, so it's acceptable to believe you could have rolled scum. You had the same chance as everyone; it's not your fault.

I could be wrong on you, but you're doing nothing to help me see that I am.

Thanks for fucking reminding me why I stopped playing on this Fucking site.

because you're someone who can't handled being scum read in a game that requires people to trick people into thinking people are scum so when people are correct you feel like you fail?

I don't comprehend your lack of thought process. It's okay to be scum read.

Case on Kuribo slot.

If scum, Egix is following me to come off as townie to me so I protect him, which happens a lot tbh, so I was never like clearing clearing that slot, it was always the next if DGB flips town.

It’s actually what I wanted the most, but didn’t want to deal with y’all “but the ragequit but the ragequit”

So I’m actually quite happy that it went through here like this.

*self five*

[Pretentious]

Egix—>DGB—>Flips should probably be the path.

[Pretentious]

If necessary.

If y’all let DGB coast a win here, y’all just bad. Don’t be bad.

[Pretentious]

Your assumption that multitasking doesn’t exist is a flaw you’ve never addressed.

There always used to be "multi-tasking" - did that change?

Yeah, recently. Like within the past year

I’m not a fan of it, but it’s this era kind of thing.

[Pretentious]

Only for normals.

[Pretentious]

Even if there were multitasking confirmed for everyone in this game, i would still push where I’m pushing.

Doesn’t change the fact it’s still less likely of a possibility.

This is a scenario where there is possibility everywhere, you go with what is highest reward lowest risk.

[Pretentious]

Pretty standard, but like I said, i guess I’m just that far ahead of this time

[Pretentious]

Ummm

Knowing about the loyal modifier would have changed everything. Loyal fruit vendor is basically a gimmick cop

I completely forgot about that, sorry!

Haha, I even asked you if you had a different role. I thought about a modifier, but I figured you’d have lured.

That explains a lot

[Pretentious]

Ummm

Knowing about the loyal modifier would have changed everything. Loyal fruit vendor is basically a gimmick cop

Well what should I have done
We still won anyway

You were fine.

You did what you should have done, you just got killed.


Good game, guys.

I was just like dead confident in scum in DGB/Kuribo so i heeled off

[Pretentious]

Also, Kuribo really replaces out because I correctly scum read him and pushed him...?

[Pretentious]

Probably nomming this for the flavor.

Good first mod game, DEB

[Pretentious]

I almost got to that point after you left.

[Pretentious]

Not because of you

[Pretentious]

I almost got to that point after you left.

Which?

I mean you were right, just for the wrong reasons.


A win's a win though, and you played well.

When I was trying to get DGB lynched to prove her or your slot were scum.

I hard heeled it up.

[Pretentious]

I’m most proud of my town reads on Sky/Pine.

[Pretentious]

Btw Pretentious you did a real shitty job of keeping your "secret" alt secret

I’ve already outed before this game. Haha. I wasn’t trying to be secret.

[Pretentious]

Outed in April.

[Pretentious]

Outed in April.

Flippynips was in the game I outed in, so hiding wasn’t really on it, and Skygazer commented immediately as I replaced in, so I played like I figured everyone knew I was FL.