Starry Night [Game Over]

[Dunnstral]

Firebringer, you suicided in two previous Dance mafias?
Did you hit scum at least once?

He suicided as scum once

[Dunnstral]

hi dunn~

Hi

I'm townreading Bitmap and might send an invitation there

[Dunnstral]

hi dunn~

Hi

I'm townreading Bitmap and might send an invitation there

what a wild thing to have as your only opinion.

why?

Because they seem genuine in their posting so far, and some people like MariaR are posturing that they are the scummiest person here (I'm not sure if you're townreading them or you have them as light scum with your post)

[Dunnstral]

Plus I liked the look of most of their reads coming from them

Shade on Oversoul, Gamma as town

[Dunnstral]

i guess im not advanced enough to be sure someone's posturing scum before they flip!

I'm not calling Maria scum though, just saying that she's posturing around the idea of leaving Bitmap out either way

[Dunnstral]

I find your read a bit self-assured dunn and maybe a bit weird coming from you

I don't think that's weird coming from me, though

[Dunnstral]

i guess im not advanced enough to be sure someone's posturing scum before they flip!

I'm not calling Maria scum though, just saying that she's posturing around the idea of leaving Bitmap out either way

then im not sure why that contributes to your read on bitmap!

i dont need to belabor the point i guess

I was explaining why I started talking about Bitmap first since you said it was 'wild' for that to be my only read

[Dunnstral]

I find your read a bit self-assured dunn and maybe a bit weird coming from you

I don't think that's weird coming from me, though

I mean, I feel I'm playing a bit more open because I feel inclined to self-advertise but you seemed more like one to mull over your thoughts as town

This game picked up fast though, and I have something to talk about

It's not wrong to say that I like to mull over my thoughts as town

[Dunnstral]

I'm kinda feeling that the active posters are like... all town

maaaaaaaaaaybe one scum

Why do you think so? You were just saying there wasn't enough to townread me off of

[Dunnstral]

Ladies

MariaR
Alisae

Kagami

popsofctown
Gamma Emerald

lupin007

Bitmap

Cephrir
Shiro

Pink are people who pretty much will/have gotten partners
Blue are people I'd like to see get partners
Orange is the remainder, who I think we are sorting through today

[Dunnstral]

wait since when r u the most suspected slot cephrir?

There's been a lot of people saying that they don't like oversoul/cephrir

[Dunnstral]

Cephrir feels like town to me, what am I missing?

[Dunnstral]

Dunn is very likely to pair with Maria

Nah, we're not doing that anymore since it stopped being special

[Dunnstral]

Cephrir feels like town to me, what am I missing?

What I notice from him is that he is quickly dismissive of his own decisions, there's a lot of interactions where I feel like he's going to lead with something or have a purpose to get involved and then he just handwaves it. I tried to get him to open up about Bitmap and I didn't really get anything out of it. You'd think with the amount he's posting his direction would be more clear, but it's really not.

I understand it's pre-game but he seems pretty intent on actually trying to play Mafia but then halfway he goes back to a more lax attitude which is lol

OK, this is a good response

I am uncertain if that makes him scum or if he plays like this as town

[Dunnstral]

I guess I'll hold off on accepting if it's just going to get you lynched.

This feels pretty LAMIST. I don’t like this reaction, I would’ve townread it if he just said yes to the dance, but this is just blah.

I’d dance with Ank but I know for a fact we’d be a prime. ‘Ank/Maria are towny but they’re really good at scum let’s lynch them.’ It’d be fun to try and talk to Ank though given we have our own playstyle clashes at times. She seems strong enough though…

[Dunnstral]

shading already paired people in pre dance is a ???

what's wrong with it?

waste of real estate

we can always come back and shade once we have lynches available~

I disagree, paired people will be relevant soon and it doesn't hurt to talk about it now

[Dunnstral]

Have you figured out why I townread Bitmap yet

[Dunnstral]

You don't have an extreme confidence read on me though, that's just more posturing

[Dunnstral]

I'm starting to wonder if I was wrong on lupin being town

I think it was too early to give a read there

Ladies

MariaR
Alisae

Kagami

popsofctown
Gamma Emerald

lupin007

Bitmap

Cephrir
Shiro

Pink are people who pretty much will/have gotten partners
Blue are people I'd like to see get partners
Orange is the remainder, who I think we are sorting through today

I get the feeling that somebody is going to pair with Maria anyway, so it looks like we're leaving out Alisae or lupin. Or does anybody think otherwise?

[Dunnstral]

I think MariaR shading the person I've shown an interest in partnering with is scum motivated rather than a coincidence

[Dunnstral]

I am thinking pop should be left out but i bet pop will get a partner.

lupin seems most likely left out.

Does lupin deserve to be left out?

[Dunnstral]

i don't see any particular reason why gamma bitmap maria or pops are guaranteed a partner

Blue doesn't mean they're gauranteed a partner, it means I think they're town and should get a partner

[Dunnstral]

the mod showed up but did he notice we need a replacement

He probably sent a private message to lupin to confirm, because they did not bold their request. It may take a while to get a replacement

[Dunnstral]

I think MariaR shading the person I've shown an interest in partnering with is scum motivated rather than a coincidence

This is is an invalid argument considering I was scumreading Bitmap before you even started showing interest.

I forgot about that, I guess you are right. Why are they scum?

[Dunnstral]

So what does your list look like?

@cephrir

[Dunnstral]

im trying to get involved into this game because i feel left out ;-;

What lady do we leave out of the dance?

[Dunnstral]

I think MariaR shading the person I've shown an interest in partnering with is scum motivated rather than a coincidence

This is is an invalid argument considering I was scumreading Bitmap before you even started showing interest.

I forgot about that, I guess you are right. Why are they scum?

I'm more interested in hearing why you townread them so I can prove you wrong.

I asked you if you read my reasoning, how are you missing large chunks of the thread?

Spoiler:

hi dunn~

Hi

I'm townreading Bitmap and might send an invitation there

what a wild thing to have as your only opinion.

why?

Because they seem genuine in their posting so far, and some people like MariaR are posturing that they are the scummiest person here (I'm not sure if you're townreading them or you have them as light scum with your post)

Plus I liked the look of most of their reads coming from them

Shade on Oversoul, Gamma as town

i guess im not advanced enough to be sure someone's posturing scum before they flip!

I'm not calling Maria scum though, just saying that she's posturing around the idea of leaving Bitmap out either way

[Dunnstral]

im trying to get involved into this game because i feel left out ;-;

What lady do we leave out of the dance?

I think popular consensus is bitmap? But I think it might be useful to pair bitmap with a scummy gentlemen and fast delete if we have many lady townreads.

Forcing MariaR/pop out for a flip might be helpful simply due to the virtue of them having reads giving us info but I think they might be more useful in spewing out reads and going for a vote flip info wise

So probs a lurkslot

OK so...

Why does it matter what popular consensus is when I'm asking you what you think?

How does it make sense to leave out Maria/pop 'because they have reads giving us info'?

Do you think a lurkslot is more likely to be scum, or do you not care who we leave out?

[Dunnstral]

OkaPoka you're saying you want to get more involved with the thread, and then you bring up popular consensus, lynching a lurker slot, and essentially an information lynch (the reasoning there doesn't even make sense)

Maybe you should look for scum in the ladies?

[Dunnstral]

Hey dunn, what's your tl;dr on Gamma Emerald-town?

They feel kind of awkward which I learned when i think that about him he tends to be town - the way he looks through the thread and asks questions reminds me of town him. I'm not highly confident because it's been a while since I've seen him as scum, but it fits with what I know aobut him as town

[Dunnstral]

I think MariaR shading the person I've shown an interest in partnering with is scum motivated rather than a coincidence

This is is an invalid argument considering I was scumreading Bitmap before you even started showing interest.

I forgot about that, I guess you are right. Why are they scum?

I'm more interested in hearing why you townread them so I can prove you wrong.

I asked you if you read my reasoning, how are you missing large chunks of the thread?

Spoiler:

hi dunn~

Hi

I'm townreading Bitmap and might send an invitation there

what a wild thing to have as your only opinion.

why?

Because they seem genuine in their posting so far, and some people like MariaR are posturing that they are the scummiest person here (I'm not sure if you're townreading them or you have them as light scum with your post)

Plus I liked the look of most of their reads coming from them

Shade on Oversoul, Gamma as town

i guess im not advanced enough to be sure someone's posturing scum before they flip!

I'm not calling Maria scum though, just saying that she's posturing around the idea of leaving Bitmap out either way

I saw this already I wanted posts itself because what you're saying isn't really helpful. 'There posts seem genuine and the reads are nice' no you're wrong. The whole way they're acting is fake the reads they have are trash. Without posts itself this goes into a back and forth that's useless. So come back to me when you give quotes

There's no specific post that makes me think they're town, I think their whole demeanor is town

[Dunnstral]

why would anyone pair with a scumread

SOMEONE I CAN READ YAY

Why wouldn't you wait until you had a reason to think they were town from their posting, then? What are you going to do if you think they're scum later?

[Dunnstral]

Dunn v Maria is engaging enough to let both live,

it is?

[Dunnstral]

pedit: The crux of your townread is the crux of my scumread

OK, I don't think I can change your opinion without further posts from Bitmap

[Dunnstral]

uhh looking for scum ladies isn't a guarantee of hitting scum

But we're gauranteed to need to leave out a lady in the pre-dance

Essentially you're saying you don't care who we lynch because they might be town

[Dunnstral]

I'm kinda scumreading dunn

Why

[Dunnstral]

knowing me its going to be flimsy at best and probably be "gut and tone" and those two things are not good ways to read people you haven't played with

What do you usually do on day 1?

[Dunnstral]

I'm kinda scumreading dunn

Why

idk

something about the way you've been going about this game feels... stiff?

I didn't really like 592 either

This is a lame explanation and saying you don't like 592 is lame too

[Dunnstral]

I assume you're all townreading Oversoul already?

They seem moderately likely to be scum to me. Why should we be townreading them?

[Dunnstral]

I didn't like the second line of 592 since that's a big stretch

No...? That seems to be exactly what they're saying

[Dunnstral]

Shojin's not in this game right?

I don't think so, why

Shoshin doesn't want me in her games.

Wtf why

I voted to abandon a game where one slot wasn't playing at all and mod had siteflaked, last scum eventually outed and we agreed to a draw. However, since then Shoshin thinks I have thrown the game and blacklisted me.

Outing as scum before the game is over because you want a draw is gamethrowing, by the way, and I wouldn't accept a draw in that situation

[Dunnstral]

I got the impression he didn't want to start getting reads from that angle, not that he was okay with any lynch just because of the possibility all the ladies might be town

He didn't seem to think I was misinterpreting him

[Dunnstral]

I was already rejected once publicly by pops so I guess I'll wait to see what Kagami says

What are you waiting on Kagami for

[Dunnstral]

oh, pairings

[Dunnstral]

Back off, bub
She's with me

... is she? i don't think she's mentioned you once

[Dunnstral]

Policy lynch or policy leave pre-dance? Two very different things.

They're pretty much the same thing, not "very different things"

MariaR, did you invite unwnd to play this game?

I don't get the point of this question

These people can leave the game pre-dance and I think we would all be better off for it:
1. OkaPoka
4. Firebringer
5. SXTLHGaiden
2. Alisae
5. Gamma Emerald
7. Bitmap
9. Shiro

That's a big poe

[Dunnstral]

Let's leave Creature behind

[Dunnstral]

I don't think MariaR has done anything you could call her town for

Let's leave Creature behind

Let's leave Creature behind

Umm no

Think he's the scummiest lady slot

With Alisae being null and the only reason to leave that slot behind is "lurker" which isn't inspired and doesn't force anybody to take sides on anything

[Dunnstral]

I don't think Bitmap is scummy so yes

[Dunnstral]

Bitmap Kagami and lupin but that's just the hard reads.
Put a lot of deliberation into the kagami read of course.

Why lupin?

[Dunnstral]

It's a little gross but I think it's really town-indicative replace out timing.
It's the timing of like "oh if I stay in this game I'm gonna have to solve it at some point look at how this is Y time investment instead of X time investment actually".
I doubt long term it's better to read Creature based on his predecessor though he's not a lurker

I'm not understanding why it's more likely for them to have replaced out as town than scum

[Dunnstral]

so pop

why is bit town then

It's the unpopular consensus and it matters

[Dunnstral]

Shiro + cricket is but a distant dream, I imagine.

its 2019

Bitmap

Ankamius

Dance with Oversoul

No I’m dancing with Kagami

Why did you want to dance with Kagami?

[Dunnstral]

Gentlemen
Gaiden(Think he either dies as scum here with the IC or is just town. Basically resolves himself)

you're just bitter i have the best dance partner
also, what do you mean "dies as scum here with the IC"?

I assume scum will sac the IC even if their mate is paired w/ them because the idea of a clear is far too dangerous

perhaps i'm dumb, but this seems like a poor strategy.

Have you done these dances before? A lot of my theorycrafting is with fresh eyes and realizing I extremely dislike this pre-dance in terms of how it plays out

People can leave the dance (including scum) whenever they want so if scum are paired with the IC there's no reason to use the night kill on the IC

[Dunnstral]

@Dunn: Are you going to protect your lady that you town-read by asking them out or you going to let Mariar get away with a bullshit scum read on me that

A) Had no substance
B) Then had the audacity to not even explain their reads when you asked them but instead asked why you townread me

?

Do you want to pair with me because I said I was townreading you?

[Dunnstral]

@Dunn: Are you going to protect your lady that you town-read by asking them out or you going to let Mariar get away with a bullshit scum read on me that

A) Had no substance
B) Then had the audacity to not even explain their reads when you asked them but instead asked why you townread me

?

Do you want to pair with me because I said I was townreading you?

I'm pretty much dead if you don't. And you're like one of the few people who actually scum-lean on Mariar.

Up to you though.

I'm more neutral than scum reading her

I don't think MariaR has done anything you could call her town for

Careful your shade is showing for no reason.

I think you're referring to this but it just means she's neutral for me. She should know she hasn't done much to appear town so her calling me out on this is whatever.

That's fine though, with that being said, why does it matter what my scum read on Maria is

----

Do you want to talk about other reads you may have?

[Dunnstral]

apparently you don't see why me pairing with Ank is the best choice here optimally.

[Dunnstral]

I have 5 and ur one of them ank

Shiro, Bitmap, Ankamius, Gamma Emerald, popsofctown

ohh hell no kagami. I am not getting lynched. Either I am not pairing or i am pairing and living till the end. Never going to be lynched.

Been lynched too often lately and I will fight it tooth and nail and make the game miserable for all if they try to lynch me.

shiro is one of those players that scum are going to use to push me if they think they can't actually lynch me, so they will argue shiro is scum to lynch our pairing. I know it beforehand. I can see it in the game already.

I gurantee you if we pair, that is where people will push and try to get me to be paranoia on that before. And I am nippiing that in the butt here.

You just said you scumread Shiro, what's up with you acting like you're sure that Shiro is town

[Dunnstral]

I don’t think Shiro is town

Then what's with the "I'm never getting lynched" thing? Assuming you were going to pair with SHiro

[Dunnstral]

They also left the sign-ups of a game
So it's not just this game they left

Sounds like there isn't more to the replace out, then

[Dunnstral]

so who wants to dance with me baby

Can you send me a request?

[Dunnstral]

dance with me dunnbaby

I was checking to see how closely you were paying attention. You were pretty quick to send an invite to me, do you understand the mechanic/how much have you read


[*]unwnd
[*]Dunnstral
[*]Golden Robster



[*]Alisae
[*]popsofctown
[*]Creature
[*]Bitmap

unwnd what are you thinking here?

[Dunnstral]

[*]unwnd
[*]Dunnstral
[*]Golden Robster



[*]Alisae
[*]popsofctown
[*]Creature
[*]Bitmap

unwnd what are you thinking here?

Yawn, I don't feel optimistic about this pool.

What do you mean?

These aren't scumreads, they're unpaired people

[Dunnstral]

I feel like scum already got partners and am tempted to treat all ladies in this pool as town.

Who should we leave out of the dance?

[Dunnstral]

Ok well fuck me I guess

My only option to live is probably with pops, I dunno about creature being town and Ali is better off not figuring out who I am despite me laughing

Pops is a good pick, I'm not certain they're town but a neighborhood there could help figure it out, I was thinking of going there but I feel like I'm pressured to choose between Alisae and Bitmap for the dance

[Dunnstral]

@dunn why do you SR Creature

also what do you think about my readslist

Looks like you cobbled it together really quick

I want to talk about the 4 unpaired ladies - Pops, Bitmap, Alisae, Creature, how are you reading them?

I don't like Creature's postings and I didn't get a townread on Lupic or their replace out

[Dunnstral]

Ok well fuck me I guess

My only option to live is probably with pops, I dunno about creature being town and Ali is better off not figuring out who I am despite me laughing

You think Bitmap is scum?

[Dunnstral]

I'm going to defend GR over here a bit. Kagami has done nothing remotely town worthy except get confirmed town by the mod. Kagami also wasted the opportunity to pair up with a player who is a very high town read by a majority of players here.

There I said it. I expect backlash from this.

ok ok

[Dunnstral]

Goldenrob have you played a dance setup before?

How did you know how to bold your proposal like that but not know that I was a gentlemen?

[Dunnstral]

I'm starting to wonder if I was wrong on lupin being town

Not sure on lupin being town. Are strong reads on RVS stage scum leaning or town?

Na Lupin is town. They're even more obv town because of how they interacted around scum bitmap.

k

I think MariaR shading the person I've shown an interest in partnering with is scum motivated rather than a coincidence

This is is an invalid argument considering I was scumreading Bitmap before you even started showing interest.

I forgot about that, I guess you are right. Why are they scum?

Dunn is possibly town. Cause strong reads with no immediate reasoning is kind of bad.

Which reminds me, Oka is probably town for having mostly null reads.

I'm kinda scumreading dunn

Why? You think scum would be more inclined to having null reads as a tell?

Creature entrance seems kind of town, kind of shit.

I still think MariaR might be scum. Really no argument against me.

unwnd's list is shit.

~page 31

My one issue with you is that if you were scum I think it's a natural response to townread me as you catch back up into the game since I was talking pretty favorably about you and most other people weren't

I understand that you don't have strong reads but I'm noting that you don't seem to be questioning anything I do either: For example, maybe thinking that I didn't send you an invite because you'd drag me down if I were scum or something

[Dunnstral]

Can Gold ask pops so we can have a conf town pairing? Ty

gold isn’t conftown

Townier than pops IMO

[Dunnstral]

I'm actually curious how she is conf towning pops, for Golden Rob I get it

[Dunnstral]

Can Gold ask pops so we can have a conf town pairing? Ty

Why do you want me to die =(

You really can't dance with anybody else?

[Dunnstral]

OK but why am I dying

Because you self-imposed restrictions on yourself, not because of something Maria said

[Dunnstral]

I think the GR x Creature pairing could work.

Why creature instead of Pops?

[Dunnstral]

because I'm killing both

You're not killing my dance partner

[Dunnstral]

Can Gold ask pops so we can have a conf town pairing? Ty

Why do you want me to die =(

You really can't dance with anybody else?

I dislike both bitmap/creature and Ali Idk has shown hesitance to the idea

if you dislike them, then you can always just insta-suicide them after the dance starts.

I don't think there's a rule preventing him from leaving the dance now

For real though, I do think unwynd is town, so let's figure something out

[Dunnstral]

My opinion is that GR and uwnd are both town

[Dunnstral]

Bitmap, dance with me

Sorry to the remaining ladies, I'm settled on this in the end

[Dunnstral]

Ye I think I just AFK
Lynch Shiro
Lynch Gamma
Figure out the rest
Bye

Why can't you try to pair with unwnd?

[Dunnstral]

Bitmap, dance with me

Sorry to the remaining ladies, I'm settled on this in the end

ohhoho

I accept your request.

and that seals it
I’m probably not accepting requests from any gents so...

Oh my god just dance with unwnd you're both probably town

Do you think leaving out pops is ideal here

[Dunnstral]

oh no we're giving creature a dance partner.
At least I know my Day 1 lynch

You have too many scumreads

[Dunnstral]

I don't mind lynching it either, as GR looks pretty terrible here.

I disagree, I think GR looked pretty natural coming into the game, which changed my opinion on the slot

[Dunnstral]

With that said, I'm kind of interested in lynching Creature anyway

[Dunnstral]

oh no we're giving creature a dance partner.
At least I know my Day 1 lynch

You have too many scumreads

Who do you think I'm scumreading?

3/4 of the remaining ladies

[Dunnstral]

dunn/bitmap
firebringer/shiro

these two pairings should go first dance

Not my pair, no

[Dunnstral]

What about we leave three players unpaired pre-dance?

no thanks

[Dunnstral]

dunn/bitmap
firebringer/shiro

these two pairings should go first dance

Not my pair, no

bitmap 100% has to flip

Dunn/bitmap pair is dying first for me.
Oka could be scum too but I don't think Gamma is

Why?

[Dunnstral]

I think FB/Shiro + Oka/Gamma + Deas/Ceph should contain all three scum.

So why would we leave 3 people unpaired pre-dance

[Dunnstral]

I think FB/Shiro + Oka/Gamma + Deas/Ceph should contain all three scum.

So why would we leave 3 people unpaired pre-dance

Let's flip all of them at once?

Are you talking about uwnyd, pops, and alisae?

We're in pre-dance right now

[Dunnstral]

Unwnd, please ask pops to the dance, or present a really, really compelling argument for why you would rather not.

fyi uwynd already asked pops to the dance

Now we wait to see what pops thinks

[Dunnstral]

I actually have no idea why we are town reading pops so hard

Wish I could break apart some of the utterly stupid pairings rn

Same

They're reasonable which makes me want them in the dance, and they seem okay enough, but I don't have them as confirmed town

[Dunnstral]

I think Bitmap is above average town

More to come on that later

[Dunnstral]

Why are you refusing to pair up?

[Dunnstral]

I'm thinking people less invested in what happens here with pairings at the end are more likely to be scum

I understand it's a time thing too, but still

[Dunnstral]

I think pair first and lynch later?

What does that mean?

[Dunnstral]

mod do we get grace period between pre dance and first dance ?

no

[Dunnstral]

I'm pretty alright pairing with GR, but not sure who from Ali/pops should go.

Pops is already paired with uwnd.

[Dunnstral]

I think pair first and lynch later?

What does that mean?

let the pairs form naturally without outing reads if you are paired already

I think we're way too deep into pairings with 3 people left alive to "form pairs naturally"

[Dunnstral]

I figured Dunnstral would never want me.

I'd have been happy to pair with you actually, what made you think that?

[Dunnstral]

Because Oka needs the PT to solve, essentially

What does he do in games where he doesn't get a neighborhood?

[Dunnstral]

I don't plan on getting lynched before intermission

[Dunnstral]

I plan on telling my partner my exact reads and all that. Since Dunn is going to get a partner it's better to let people form opinions before they get influenced by my own.

Dunn or Bitmap you think is scum Maria?

Prob Bit on the factor that I don't think scum dunn is stupid enough to pair with bit

Who would I have paired with if I were scum?

[Dunnstral]

he said he couldn't really sort until this stage of the game.

OK, why not?

[Dunnstral]

How come you are able to answer that for him?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Firebringer/Shiro

This is probably where I'll end up for the first lynch regardless

[Dunnstral]

2 of Shiro/Oka/Bitmap pairings need to flip d1

Why does my pair need to die?

[Dunnstral]

2 of Shiro/Oka/Bitmap pairings need to flip d1

^

What's your read on me without looking at Bitmap?

[Dunnstral]

And why is Bitmap scum?

[Dunnstral]

his entire approach to the game isn't town

What is his approach to the game?

[Dunnstral]

@Maria

what do you think of Dunn so far?

I plan on telling my partner my exact reads and all that. Since Dunn is going to get a partner it's better to let people form opinions before they get influenced by my own.

I don't care what others think I care what you think

That's the exact reason I'm holding off I'm giving my Dunn read.
If I told people with extreme confidence what my Dunn read was atm they'd probably listen to me given everyone knows I can read Dunn better then pretty much anyone on the site.
Pedit: The avatar is supposed to be more monotone/on the lazy side. I'm using this one for reasons

ok..

[Dunnstral]

What was your supreme confidence Dunn read

You referenced me pairing up with bitmap as your read in post 1881, what happened to your read from post 498?

[Dunnstral]

I'm going to defend GR over here a bit. Kagami has done nothing remotely town worthy except get confirmed town by the mod. Kagami also wasted the opportunity to pair up with a player who is a very high town read by a majority of players here.

There I said it. I expect backlash from this.

My one issue with you is that if you were scum I think it's a natural response to townread me as you catch back up into the game since I was talking pretty favorably about you and most other people weren't

I understand that you don't have strong reads but I'm noting that you don't seem to be questioning anything I do either: For example, maybe thinking that I didn't send you an invite because you'd drag me down if I were scum or something

Maybe it's because I tr you and we have similar reads? If you do end up being scummy in the end and we do pair, I would have no problem suiciding.

Also a good chunk of the ladies have a TR on me.

Here are posts that I consider towny from Bitmap

[Dunnstral]

I have bitmap are more likely town than not, but 1568 does not deserve to be treated as town-indicative.

Based on Bitmap's play, if they were scum I'd think they would be less likely to directly call you out like that

[Dunnstral]

I have bitmap are more likely town than not, but 1568 does not deserve to be treated as town-indicative.

Why
Btw me and Oka agree that Ank looks a little suspect

ok, why?

[Dunnstral]

[Dunnstral]

because you're not town

What's with you this game, can't be bothered to explain anything?

[Dunnstral]

Ankamius
Kagami
Firebringer
Creature
Alisae
Cephrir
popsofctown
Dunnstral
MariaR
unwnd
Bitmap
SXTLHGaiden
DeasVail
Oversoul
Shiro
Gamma Emerald
OkaPoka

Roughly where I'm at

Ankamius
Kagami
Firebringer
Creature
Alisae
MariaR
Cephrir
Gamma Emerald
Popsofctown
Dunnstral
SXTLHGaiden
DeasVail
Shiro
Oversoul
Unwnd
Bitmap
OkaPoka

Who was defending OkaPoka here? Just Oversoul?

[Dunnstral]

I'm fine with giving them time to solve

When they start teasing things little by little I'm going to ask questions though

[Dunnstral]

Oka pointed out his post with two of her readlists next to each other and pointed out Ank was putting those who defended/townread Oka at the bottom and I remembered Qnk flipped her entire read on me because I stuck up for Oka's skill

In my opinion this is untrue

[Dunnstral]

Are lover PTs revealed on death and/or postgame?

Postgame

[Dunnstral]

I think you can ask if you want it to remain hidden

[Dunnstral]

I don't think that people townreading Oka were all at the bottom to the extent where it's a sign

Wasn't it just oversoul who was defending Oka at that time?

[Dunnstral]

Alisae I was only going to pair with Creature or Gamma this game because I don't have any experience with the other ladies.

Wait a minute, but Creature replaced in after the fact

[Dunnstral]

I think the angle that scum would want to pair with creature because he'll eventually look like town is a bit of a reach, I don't think it's very likely that that is what happened

[Dunnstral]

OkaPoka- not impressed so far, could be scum
unwnd- not super sure what to make of this person in general.
Dunnstral- probably town
Firebringer- I want to lean scum but I know he just doesnt play mafia the way I want him to
SXTLHGaiden- probably town
DeasVail- not sure yet
Oversoul- recently downgraded to not sure
Ankamius- leaning town

MariaR- needs to post more
Alisae- townish
popsofctown- idk. Thought getting a town read here should be easy but it hasn't been
Gamma Emerald- this guys posts leave literally zero impression on me and I could not tell you a single thing hes said without looking
Creature lupin007- I know that I usually suspect creature so I'm trying not to be overly affected by not liking his posts
Bitmap- pretty close to neutral
Cephrir- hilarious; attractive
Shiro- has zero content which I'm going to put as a scum lean on principle

It's too bad that Dunn appended himself to someone scummy

Doing so makes him even townier but that doesnt really help in the long term

Bitmap should have been the predance lynch.

Though only because shiro was not possible.

Can you walk me through what happened to your read on Bitmap here?

[Dunnstral]

i dont think much of anything happened

their posts dont leave much impression on me and other people got townier

So they went from neutral to should have been the pre dance lynch based on other people looking townier?

[Dunnstral]

what I was townreading bitmap for wasn't strong enough for me to be confident in it with all the scumreads he had

So you just follow along with what everyone else is saying instead of what you think?

[Dunnstral]

Fire-Shiro won't be any more readable with 2 pairs alive than they are now

[Dunnstral]

I would consider Ank/MariaR but I don't think my partner would consider that the best.

I think Ank is more likely to be town than Maria, who I am neutral about

[Dunnstral]

But those three reasons are not AI. Especially because there is a pre dance with no lynch.

This isn't true so stop saying it

[Dunnstral]

But those three reasons are not AI. Especially because there is a pre dance with no lynch.

This isn't true so stop saying it

why isnt what im saying true

We did in fact get alisae killed, and scum wanted to avoid being in their position

[Dunnstral]

For one thing, with 14 town and 3 scum being neutral is kind of bad.

Disagree with this

I also wouldn't have minded creature as the predance lynch at the time I posted that bitmap should have been (to be clear my read of creature is now townier), but there was no consensus there and that lynch couldn't have been done if say this were an ordinary game

I was pushing that

[Dunnstral]

It's certainly scummy enough to call it scummy rather than offering a free pass to be useless. Nothing good comes of crying about "easy lynches."

I'm giving the Fire-Shiro slot a chance to actually give reads before really pushing them. If they still are absolutely useless, I'll reconsider this lynch notion.

Scum.

This is 1 million percent scum.

y

Because he doesn't care about our reads at all, its complete posturing of how he is trying to "consider whether our slots are town" but it is fake, you can read his posts and realize he doesn't care about our reads. A monkey could figure that out.

That's not what he said though? He doesn't want to lynch you. If you continue to be useless, they will concede and lynch you

[Dunnstral]

DeasVail - Cephrir

Kagami

- SXTLHGaiden

Ankamius

- MariaR
Firebringer - Shiro
OkaPoka -

Gamma Emerald

Dunnstral - Bitmap
unwnd - popsofctown

Golden Robster

- Creature

I hate to say this but if Dunn ends up being a townie I'm pretty sure Maria is playing you and not the other way around.

Go on...

[Dunnstral]

That's not what he said though? He doesn't want to lynch you. If you continue to be useless, they will concede and lynch you

That is what i am telling you is fucking fake.

Also why the fuck do you care you fucking ass? You said I am unreadable. Go fuck off.

Drop the hostility, I'm voting for you because I'll never reach a point where I think that you/Shiro are towny enough to live to the end of the game over anyone else. I don't think reading Shiro as town because other people are pushing it is fair. There's a lot of town in this game, more than usual.

[Dunnstral]

Oka also seems scummy around my wagon.

If you guys are both town, scum are more likely to be defending you, NOT pushing you. Scum have no reason to push you, there's no pressure to lynch you.

[Dunnstral]

Fire-Shiro won't be any more readable with 2 pairs alive than they are now

Well that is a flat out lie. We are both very readable after a certain point.

When do you plan on becoming readable?

[Dunnstral]

Is the issue of firebringer/shiro solely stemming from their pairing?

And their post quality. Like Fire said Shiro was scummy but still wanted to dance with Shiro? That's really bad.

Like this for instance.

I said numerous times. I was going to pair with shiro regardless of what I even thought was Shiro alignment. I said it a dozen or so times about that, and now its "bad"?

Come on.

Ikr? Everyone was certain we are pairing, 8 add some drama and suddenly they all are socked pikatcu face that we did. It kinda funny.

The only surprised pikachu face is you doing nothing and being surprised that you're the first pairing being voted out

It's ultra scummy that you two come in here and start pushing the flavor of the day lynchbait to try to prolong your own survival as well

[Dunnstral]

Fire-Shiro won't be any more readable with 2 pairs alive than they are now

Well that is a flat out lie. We are both very readable after a certain point.

Can you link to a dance game where you felt like you were readable?

[Dunnstral]

also is bitmap lynchbait?

The perceived path of least resistance for a scum you is to push either bitmap or oka/gamma

[Dunnstral]

u should have danced with Alisae, dunny.

They didn't seem town to me until the point where it was too late for them to get a pairing (I proposed then Golden Rob proposed) - I had mixed feelings before that point, I was liking the content Bitmap was putting in the thread

and you think scum me goes for that?

Pushing Bitmap? Yeah

[Dunnstral]

can you name a game where scum me pushed least resistance players? cause I can't think of one.

IDK? I don't memorize stuff like that, and I don't think it's something you could never do based on meta or something

also i disagree with this categorization of bitmap here as least resistance? there seems plenty of resistance.

gamma/oka def agree. I don't know what gamma is but i think oka is town

OK, that's fair

----

I feel you are misinterpreting Bitmap's interactions with your pairing, they're not pushing on you or posturing around voting you right now, you're acting like they're playing scummy around your slot and I don't agree with that

[Dunnstral]

Scum don't have to play a middle ground where they're set up to vote you later

Scum are more likely to be defending you here than not. It's really easy to be against your lynch when you're almost certainly going to die eventually this game. The exception to this is a slot that is receiving pressure, like in Oka/Gamma's case

[Dunnstral]

You're arguing theoretical reasons to scumread someone for what they could be doing, rather than looking at what they've posted

[Dunnstral]

Scum don't have to play a middle ground where they're set up to vote you later

Scum are more likely to be defending you here than not. It's really easy to be against your lynch when you're almost certainly going to die eventually this game. The exception to this is a slot that is receiving pressure, like in Oka/Gamma's case

HE IS DEFENDING ME WHILE GIVING HIMSELF REASONS HE CAN USE LATER TO VOTE ME THAT ARE FAKE. WHAT AM I NOT EXPLAINING CORRECTLY!?!?!?

It's not a matter of not explaining correctly, I don't think it's a good argument. You're policy lynch tier, he doesn't have to set up reasons to vote you later.
Furthermore, he said he would vote you if you continue being useless. Do you intend to continue being useless...? If not, he's not setting up reasons to lynch you later, because those reasons won't exist.

You're arguing theoretical reasons to scumread someone for what they could be doing, rather than looking at what they've posted

no, like I can actually literally argue that every post has a stream of concious that doesn't make sense in a town point of view of sorting anything. I can go through his iso to show it. Do i need to be doing this?!

I'm almost certain that I'll disagree with anything you post in the vein of this

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral, let me go down this route instead.

How does bitmap play this if he is scum? Lets assume he is town. What does he do differently in your opinion?

I think they'd play in a way that draws less attention to themselves at crucial points (like when he needs me to pair with him so he doesn't die!) where he calls out Kagami, and then later when he pushed Cephrir/Deas

[Dunnstral]

You're policy lynch tier

If you want a fight. I will bring it dunnstral. Don't even go there.

You simultaneously say you scumread Shiro and that you're never leaving the dance, and the only way anyone can force Shiro to provide something readable is a serious threat of lynching - and your pairing formed with no regard for in-game events

You're definitely policy lynch tier and it's laughable if you want to argue otherwise

[Dunnstral]

You are describing your scum game pal.

?

[Dunnstral]

You are describing your scum game pal.

?

Your scumgame is explicitly on ensuring not enough attention is brought to yourself.

a) I disagree that that is my scumgame
b) That's not what I'm doing in this game
c) I thought we were talking about Bitmap, why did you deflect and point to my scumgame?

[Dunnstral]

c) I am saying ur applying the standards of which you operate scum onto bitmap.

I don't think that's true, though

Do you disagree that Bitmap, as scum, would be more mindful about saying something that might come back to bite him when he is at a crucial point, those points being

1) When he needed me to partner them
2) When people started saying they were scummy at day start

Further, I think being able to catch that Cephrir's read on them changed in a weird way is something that comes from town a good portion of the time (looking at specific people on your own wagon who aren't popular lynch options)

[Dunnstral]

The dramatic shift in tone is looking back at Rvs and his opening posts though. They were different, I don't think that makes them scummy... why is "dramatic shift in tone" a reason to scumread someone, in the first place?

I doubt he doesn't think before making potentially controversial statements as scum

[Dunnstral]

You are leaning town for me fire

But I haven't had a good track record with reading you so I'm not weighing that heavily. Shiro is still very unreadable.

i think scum team is deasveal/bitmap/ankamius

I got the whole game solved.

Also, I think this is a dumb solve, and looks more like 3 individual scumreads than a team

[Dunnstral]

target locked

Why are you voting uwnd?

[Dunnstral]

100% loudest one though

Yes, looks like you initially had a scumread on FB that has recently flipped, GR had FB as townread when he made his list, and that's it among living players as far as I can tell.

Makes me somewhat skeptical of Shiro-scum unless we're hypothesizing a scum-scum pair. There's some plausibility in {shiro, GR}, I think, but that requires further review.

As I mentioned I think he's more likely town than not

[Dunnstral]

I have a townread in most if not all of the pairings

[Dunnstral]

DeasVail

-

Cephrir

Kagami

- SXTLHGaiden

Ankamius

- MariaR

Firebringer

- Shiro
OkaPoka -

Gamma Emerald

Dunnstral

-

Bitmap

unwnd

- popsofctown

Golden Robster

- Creature

This is what I'm thinking

Gamma is so so

[Dunnstral]

@Kagami I talked with Oka and he told me he didn't really agree with my take at this point so I'll just state it and then write up my read list
I feel like Dunnstral actually makes more sense as scum in the Dunn + Bitmap pairing. My logic is as follows.
Alisae is getting widely townread and the general consensus is e should pair with Dunnstral. Meanwhile Bitmap and Dunnstral have interactions that would make sense for leading up to a pairing but if that doesn't happen Bitmap is kinda up shit creek. So Dunn takes a chance that Bitmap will accept as a way to throw Alisae out of the game early as e wasn't feeling any of the other possible partners at that point. Now this doesn't guarantee Bitmap is town but it makes more sense than Dunn town and Bitmap scum to me because of how the pairing felt. Had it been the other way I'd expect to have things happen in a way to where I'm like "that was sketchy from Bitmap" but it's a deep-seated concern about the fact that pairing happened at all.
And I mentioned Oka isn't on board now but when we first talked about it he kinda agreed on some points so I feel good about it since we both saw those things initially

Kagami
Ank
Oka
MariaR
Bitmap
Cephrir
Creature
pops
Fire
Shiro
Gaiden
unwnd
DV
GRob
Dunn

These are my reads rn, the middle of the list (Cephrir to unwnd) isn't super confident but that's how I feel about them rn.
VOTE: Dunnstral

Uh, 2538 only explains how I

could

be scum and make those choices, it doesn't actually explain why you think I'm scum in the first place, or why that is now your strongest read

[Dunnstral]

Dunn I would be interested in hearing your reasoning for me/Ceph town.

I've been liking your posting and your reads and your takes on the game. Am I underestimating you as scum?

Cephrir has pretty consistently looked like town to me this game, the think Bitmap brought up where his read changed was a little weird to me. I think the way he goes from questioning oka/gamma to saying they're not likely to be scum is town indicative (I think scum are more likely to continue to scumread the player in that situation)

[Dunnstral]

Uh, 2538 only explains how I could be scum and make those choices, it doesn't actually explain why you think I'm scum in the first place, or why that is now your strongest read

Basically you've chosen to scumread me for something I

could

be doing, instead of looking at what I've actually done in this game. Why?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Ankamius/MariaR

I'm pretty sure MariaR is scum

And no, I'm not partnered with her

[Dunnstral]

OkaPoka- not impressed so far, could be scum

can gamma and i have like 48 hours before we get ded in a pt

no

Fuck you
I don't mind dying if I get a chance to try to solve the game, but if you decide to lynch me before I get that chance I'm gonna be pissed

still don't understand why you need a pt for this

Because Oka needs the PT to solve, essentially

W H Y T H O

Unpopular Opinion: FB - Shiro just seems like an easy lynch for scum.

This is how I feel about okapoka tho

This is the progression where I was saying I think scum would have kept the scumread going

And it doesn't feel like partner interactions

[Dunnstral]

I made it pretty clear that I wanted creature to leave the dance. I didn't ask for everybody to act like I was their last hope for the dance.

I just put you at the bottom because I'm voting you

ok...

And since this is on my mind why is your TR on me "so-so"?

Your play has become more "meh" ever since you paired up - including the end of pre-dance where you didn't have much to say as things were going on IMO

[Dunnstral]

MariaR's reads are stale and show little thought. She should know better to have such a bad BitMap read as town - that's why she's scum. The rest of her posting is neutral

[Dunnstral]

@MariaR pls tell me what you think of my Dunn thoughts

Hm, I've mostly dismissed Dunn this game because my thought has always been 'Bit is scum and Dunn wouldn't suicide pair with them as scum' and if I was wrong on Bit Dunn is scum so I suppose I like where your vote is even if I don't really know how I feel about your reasoning because it requires to think Bitmap is town lol.
Pedit: Because I am?

This is a super scum post

[Dunnstral]

As such your course of action caused Alisae to be left out in the end and it wasn't an impossible-to-see outcome.

I had a stronger read on Bitmap than Alisae, up until the point where it was clear that Alisae wasn't getting a partner where I'd say it was obvious they were town (but not before then)

[Dunnstral]

You scumread Bitmap because you decided you would after their early posting, their more recent posting has shown a lot of different thoughts which you just brush off to continue scumreading them

[Dunnstral]

Gamma I think the case you presented would have to have another scumread attached

As in, what I'd expect you to be pushing is: Dunn is scum because x, and look, he could have chosen bitmap instead of alisae because of y

Instead, the reason I'm scum is apparently because I chose bitmap instead of alisae.

Here's the kicker though: If I had chosen alisae instead of bitmap, and bitmap flipped town, would you be arguing that choosing alisae made me scummy?

I think you, or -somebody- in this game, would, and so I think that angle is garbage

[Dunnstral]

This is also awful logic because I can very well fake reads and come up with good reads/fake thoughts as scum.

Maybe you should do it then

[Dunnstral]

If you're not going to move off our pair I'm not unvoting you as you hold reasonable scum equity

If you want to explore other options I'm all ears and am willing to discuss it with you

[Dunnstral]

As such your course of action caused Alisae to be left out in the end and it wasn't an impossible-to-see outcome.

I had a stronger read on Bitmap than Alisae, up until the point where it was clear that Alisae wasn't getting a partner where I'd say it was obvious they were town (but not before then)

Your "stronger townread" is why I mention your groundwork, you essentially drew Bitmap in to pair with you. I wasn't exactly confident Bitmap was town yet but writing this up I realized your play around Bitmap is a transparent pocketing ploy, so now they're confidently town for me.

Once again, I never asked anyone to be like "I can only pair with dunn now!"

It came to the point where if I hadn't paired with Bitmap, he wouldn't have been paired up - but I didn't manipulate things to that state, I was doing the opposite - I was explaining my read on why they were town, and was asking the remaining gentlemen their opinions on who they were thinking of pairing before doing anything myself

[Dunnstral]

So everyone can see the way Maria suddenly changed her tune around me and how suddenly I can be scum, right?

What was her read on me in post ~400, again?

[Dunnstral]

Gamma one thing you need to know about Dunn is how extremely stubborn and easily blind he is. He kept on questioning on why people were lynching him/why he should die when he paired with Bitmap when over half the game expressed interest in the slots death. If you want to play around Dunn you need to show him why he's being stubborn/wrong or he won't listen.

I am arguing against Dunn, not with Dunn. As such my aim isn't to convince Dunn of anything but counter his logic.

So no matter what I say, you're going to try to counter it?

[Dunnstral]

hi dunn~

Hi

I'm townreading Bitmap and might send an invitation there

And what makes you townread them?

@ank what i mostly meant is that i don't think most players give a flying fuck about deadtown reads even if they're nightkilled (they should, but they don't, and it is hard to account for & weigh against your own opinions)

Preach, if people looked at dead towns reads they’d have a much higher winrate. It’s why scum can just kill X with almost no downside in this game type.

I don't think that's enough to townread dunn

Don’t worry, I’ll have a read on Dunn before the game is over and it’ll be fine. (In fact I’m already in the lean of one)

Dunn is very likely to pair with Maria

Nah, we're not doing that anymore since it stopped being special

^
Me and Dunn being in a neighborhood is boring since we shouldn’t need a PT to be able to read each other it’s pretty sub-optimal.

Cephrir feels like town to me, what am I missing?

What I notice from him is that he is quickly dismissive of his own decisions, there's a lot of interactions where I feel like he's going to lead with something or have a purpose to get involved and then he just handwaves it. I tried to get him to open up about Bitmap and I didn't really get anything out of it. You'd think with the amount he's posting his direction would be more clear, but it's really not.

I understand it's pre-game but he seems pretty intent on actually trying to play Mafia but then halfway he goes back to a more lax attitude which is lol

If this was anyone but you I swear...

This feels pretty LAMIST. I don’t like this reaction, I would’ve townread it if he just said yes to the dance, but this is just blah.

don't you always hate my guts anyway? just start now! :D

Don't worry the only thing I hate in life is my personality

If this was anyone but you I swear...

Loool what does this mean

Quiet you I'm gonna tug on your ear again.

@Maria

what do you think of Dunn so far?

I plan on telling my partner my exact reads and all that. Since Dunn is going to get a partner it's better to let people form opinions before they get influenced by my own.

@Maria

what do you think of Dunn so far?

I plan on telling my partner my exact reads and all that. Since Dunn is going to get a partner it's better to let people form opinions before they get influenced by my own.

I don't care what others think I care what you think

That's the exact reason I'm holding off I'm giving my Dunn read.
If I told people with extreme confidence what my Dunn read was atm they'd probably listen to me given everyone knows I can read Dunn better then pretty much anyone on the site.
Pedit: The avatar is supposed to be more monotone/on the lazy side. I'm using this one for reasons

@Ankamius

I'm interested in knowing what Maria's read here was

[Dunnstral]

unfortunately my reasoning will be handwaved as "scum can magically persuade anyone they are town in a pt" and i'll admit that's true a lot of the time, but he's hitting the right notes for me in terms of the way he's approached me. there's been a pretty believable trajectory that hits some right emotional notes and some posts that would be pretty difficult to make as scum - not impossible, but i think it'd be tough to make them without overanalyzing the wording so much you ultimately post something robotic

this post might as well be blank in terms of being useful to anyone else, but it's good enough for me, at least for now

That sounds good to me actually

[Dunnstral]

I'm not acting like reads can't change.

Can you explain what your read was by post 500, though? What was your read in the past?

[Dunnstral]

I'm not acting like reads can't change.

Can you explain what your read was by post 500, though? What was your read in the past?

This isn't a relevent question and you know it.

I don't care, i want to know the answer. Why won't you explain what you were thinking?

[Dunnstral]

Why do you go out of your way to find reasons not to answer what your read at the time was?

[Dunnstral]

What did you ask me?

[Dunnstral]

c) I am saying ur applying the standards of which you operate scum onto bitmap.

I don't think that's true, though

Do you disagree that Bitmap, as scum, would be more mindful about saying something that might come back to bite him when he is at a crucial point, those points being

1) When he needed me to partner them
2) When people started saying they were scummy at day start

Further, I think being able to catch that Cephrir's read on them changed in a weird way is something that comes from town a good portion of the time (looking at specific people on your own wagon who aren't popular lynch options)

Dunnstral, let me go down this route instead.

How does bitmap play this if he is scum? Lets assume he is town. What does he do differently in your opinion?

I think they'd play in a way that draws less attention to themselves at crucial points (like when he needs me to pair with him so he doesn't die!) where he calls out Kagami, and then later when he pushed Cephrir/Deas

I'm going to defend GR over here a bit. Kagami has done nothing remotely town worthy except get confirmed town by the mod. Kagami also wasted the opportunity to pair up with a player who is a very high town read by a majority of players here.

There I said it. I expect backlash from this.

My one issue with you is that if you were scum I think it's a natural response to townread me as you catch back up into the game since I was talking pretty favorably about you and most other people weren't

I understand that you don't have strong reads but I'm noting that you don't seem to be questioning anything I do either: For example, maybe thinking that I didn't send you an invite because you'd drag me down if I were scum or something

Maybe it's because I tr you and we have similar reads? If you do end up being scummy in the end and we do pair, I would have no problem suiciding.

Also a good chunk of the ladies have a TR on me.

Here are posts that I consider towny from Bitmap

I have bitmap are more likely town than not, but 1568 does not deserve to be treated as town-indicative.

Based on Bitmap's play, if they were scum I'd think they would be less likely to directly call you out like that

[Dunnstral]

What did you ask me?

I want you to explain your scumread without using buzz words because half of the stuff your accusing me is stuff that isn't happening and is just baseless assumptions. I want you to explain why Bit is town because they're very clearly scum in my eyes. Do that and I'll answer your questions.
pedit: You'd be surprised. Also I've stated meta doesn't work on me in many games not just this one, because it doesn't. If my play was so easy to detect with Meta I wouldn't have such a highscum winrate.

My scumread on you is as follows:

- You are playing a very neutral game, other people see this as towny but it's not, for you, it's something you can easily do as scum
- You repeatedly ask the same question instead of taking the initiative when I'm explaining why I think bitmap is town multiple times in thread
- Process of elimination - other people look towny and you don't
- You avoid answering questions and then say "why would I do that as scum" - that's not how it works. I don't know why you'd do it as scum, but it doesn't make you town. Why would you do it as town?
- As soon as I voted you you did a 180 where even though you refused to give reads on me when I asked multiple times, all of a sudden I 'could be scum, if bitmap is town'

[Dunnstral]

3) We both know this is a personal issue with your confidence level and insecurities around me so stop that now even though you'll never admit it we've talked about this before so stop using OGI to cloud your judgement

Literally I don't know what you're talking about here but me not townreading you here isn't a 'personal issue'

[Dunnstral]

DeasVail

-

Cephrir

Kagami

- SXTLHGaiden

Ankamius

- MariaR

Firebringer

- Shiro
OkaPoka -

Gamma Emerald

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Dunnstral

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Bitmap

unwnd

- popsofctown

Golden Robster

- Creature

Gamma is so so

How about we just get on with lynching this pair then? A non-town plus a so-so seems pretty solid.

I don't have an argument against this anymore

VOTE: OkaPoka/Gamma Emerald

[Dunnstral]

I was townreading you in post 500. There's your answer.

Do you think Bitmap having paranoia about my slot and your slot makes them more likely or less likely to be scum?

I didn't think it was unreasonable (based on looking at you, not at what I was doing)

[Dunnstral]

5) I've had that opinion on you long ago. Ank can vouch for me that I said I would've sr you most likely if youdidn't pair with Bit.

So if I don't pair with bit, I'm scum. And if I do pair with bit, he's scum so I need to die anyway. And if Bit isn't scum, then that must mean I'm scum, because I paired with Bit

[Dunnstral]

And then when I say that other people look like town and you don't, I have 'personal problems'

[Dunnstral]

Why do you think I should be townreading you this game when you're playing 'laid back' Maria?

[Dunnstral]

Gamma/oka is probably tvt

Why?

[Dunnstral]

With 3 mafia and 13 town alive being "more likely town than not" isn't a very impressive defense

[Dunnstral]

Why is Maria town?

[Dunnstral]

I don't understand why she wouldn't pair with you as scum

[Dunnstral]

I made it pretty clear early on I wasn't looking for endgame ability as much as I was looking to set up other pairings to endgame for me

In order for her to have a reasonable shot at being scum with that, she either has to be confident that the two of us endgame or that the other scum can be set up to endgame potentially without her

Both require a lot of planning out pairings and deciding what exactly scum are going to be doing for the rest of the game and I don't think that's especially practical

This feels like moonlogic

Maybe instead of playing 4d chess she just decided to partner with whoever

[Dunnstral]

then why me dunn

Not everything needs a reason

[Dunnstral]

No

You're saying Maria isn't scum because she picked you

And you expect her to have plotted out the entire game from pre-dance

That's bogus

[Dunnstral]

is more likely town than not

This is what reasoning that can be applied to anyone looks like

[Dunnstral]

Fire-Shiro won't be any more readable with 2 pairs alive than they are now

Well that is a flat out lie. We are both very readable after a certain point.

Can you link to a dance game where you felt like you were readable?

This is more bogus by the way, from shiro

The way she was acting with Maria acting like maria should have a read on her was weird too

[Dunnstral]

Moonlogic for sure

[Dunnstral]

If you thought that you'd have townread her right after she paired with you, not hundreds of posts later in response to something else

[Dunnstral]

Maybe she danced with you because she was afraid of unwnd, who also proposed

[Dunnstral]

Is there a reason you're not voting for anybody?