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Preach!In post 36, Creature wrote:Still, Gen 2 is better.- EspressoPatronum
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I don't see anything. His posts with Tim are jokes on the DP movie. Maybe his entrance vote on Klick, but even that was setting up the interactions with Tim.In post 60, Klick wrote:Sorry: I have a light scumread on Detective Pikachu. Can you spot why?
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So much for making the Klick wagon a serious deal. Why swap?
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Lol you even switched your location to Ryme CityIn post 65, Tim Goodman wrote:I live outside of Ryme City and I commute on odd nights and possibly even nights as well, please don't target me with night actions!- EspressoPatronum
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Nothing I can say to a gut read.In post 68, Chemist1422 wrote:
Why did you respond to that post and not the vote on you?In post 67, EspressoPatronum wrote:
Lol you even switched your location to Ryme CityIn post 65, Tim Goodman wrote:I live outside of Ryme City and I commute on odd nights and possibly even nights as well, please don't target me with night actions!- EspressoPatronum
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You've crossed a line...In post 78, u r a person 2 wrote:I played pokemon red when it came out. it was okay
haven't touched the stuff since
but making animals fight each other is cruel. did you know that millennials who consider themselves pokemon fans are less likely to think dog fighting is wrong than those who don't? yeah, that's some messed up stuff, huh?
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You're 100% correct that I'm picking and choosing. I tried responding to everything in my 1st game and it almost got me lynched as jailer on D1. Once I started picking and choosing my posts, things got a lot easier.In post 97, Chemist1422 wrote:
Espresso is probably my top scumread so far,I think they’re picking and choosing what to respond to
I plan to do the same kind of thing this game. Fewer posts, but higher quality. It'll help keep things streamlined + not clog up the thread.- EspressoPatronum
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I'm kinda meh on Redpanda and Klick right now. Happy with either as a vote.
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Does it count if I use this post as a discussion? Of your 6 posts, only 2 contain anything we cod use to start a discussion. You declared an end to RVS (ok?) and you left a 'serious' vote without explanation.... and now you're whining that town is being useless? PlzIn post 86, RedPanda wrote:Also town stop being so useless. I've made a couple of posts that you can use to start discussion. If you don't have anything to talk about use it.
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@Klick, you've been super defensive to the Tim+DP votes. I don't agree with DP that Klick has been spamming, but I do agree that you've been focusing too much on DP's vote against you.
It looks your 'light scumread' of DP transformed into a more legit scumread. @Klick am I right in this assumption?
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Ah kk, I thought it was his initial response. In his heads up about being V/LA, he also mentioned his vote on you was just bcz a bigger wagon is more interesting.In post 105, Klick wrote: ...
His response to the pressure has been to aggressively push back/discredit, and that has me more comfy with my vote.
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Are #95 and #101 the posts that "aggressively push back/discredit"?- EspressoPatronum
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Re: 64 , I know that Creature and Klick talked in between his Klick and DP votes, but I wanted more of an explanation. He said his vote was to help pressure DP, but does that also mean he thinks Klick is more town?In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/vie[post][/post]wtopic.php?p=11051816#p11051816]post 124[/url], Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I’m voting him because I kinda think he was being intentionally obtuse in 64 but I like 69. I relate to it a lot and find myself in that position more often than I would like. No pun intended.
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You've gone from a gut read to "reasonably confident" ... care to explain?In post 135, Tim Goodman wrote:I'm reasonably confident EP is scum.- EspressoPatronum
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A lot of people said that in my last game, too. I don't think I can talk about it much bcz it's still ongoing. Here's the thread if you want to look at how I played D1 and D2.In post 138, RadiantCowbells wrote:Your approach to the game is a scum one.
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This is my second game on Mafiascum. I've played 2 forum games off-site and tons in person. Maybe I'm just doing something normal in the metas with which I'm familiar, but it comes across scummy here.- EspressoPatronum
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I want Tim on my side because I have a town read on him from post #65. Chem already asked me about my lack of response to the gut read + I responded the best I could.In post 188, Cinnamon wrote:I have a bit of an EP scumread here. Their response to 67 and not 68 kind of suggests that they're trying to get Tim on their side, or at least take the spotlight off them. While it's not scum indicative to push on lurkers it's an easy way to generate a read as scum and it also helps bring attention to other players when he's getting pushed.
My experience with forum mafia has been that lurkers last way too long. In both games off-site, lurker maf made it to the end. People who post a lot draw more attention + tend to get picked off from lynches and NKs earlier. Meanwhile, lurkers coast without generating a lot of discussion. You (and a lot of others) say lurkers are an easy vote, but I have yet to see an actual lynch on someone because they lurked.
Fwiw, I wasn't really being pushed when I made the post calling out lurkers. Tim had a vote on me before, but I think the other votes came after my lurker call-out.- EspressoPatronum
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Kk, so you have DP as town. Any scumreads?In post 193, ClearlyClarity wrote:Call me back when something cool happens.
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The forum mafia wiki post says commuter is almost always pro-town.In post 197, Tim Goodman wrote:Why do you townread me for claiming commuter?- EspressoPatronum
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Mafiascum*In post 198, EspressoPatronum wrote:
The forum mafia wiki post says commuter is almost always pro-town.In post 197, Tim Goodman wrote:Why do you townread me for claiming commuter?
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Yes. This is my second Mafiascum game.In post 200, Tim Goodman wrote:Oh, are you actually new?- EspressoPatronum
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Lol kk. Once were a few days in or when the game ends, can you tell me what it was that pinged you?In post 202, Tim Goodman wrote:I don't think my scumread is particularly good if you're actually new.
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Why? I don't see it.In post 208, Tim Goodman wrote:vague townlean on CC I guess- EspressoPatronum
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Thanks for your opinion on Klick.In post 217, ClearlyClarity wrote:
By "something cool" I don't mean "interrogate me because I'm on your arbitrary lurker prodlist" but w/e.In post 196, EspressoPatronum wrote:
Kk, so you have DP as town. Any scumreads?In post 193, ClearlyClarity wrote:Call me back when something cool happens.
You made your vote in Klick in RVS. Do you still agree with your vote? Why/why not?
You're my biggest scumread rn. Klick is like... muddled. 105 was kinda bad but they actually try to scumhunt, even if misguided or reaction-testy.
Perhaps it comes across as an interrogation, but I'm just trying to get an idea of your perspective on the game. You haven't responded much, so I figured some pointed questions would help kick things off. As you can see, others with low posts are being similarly prodded.
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Thanks for the honesty. If you find the time over the next few days, can you drop a quick post on people who feel the most scummy? We can @ you with specifics from there.In post 219, ClearlyClarity wrote:
Honestly? You're right. Sorry. I signed up for too many games and I've always been more miserable in games outside of Newbie queue. I hate being in the dark about reads. Your posting has actually been p towny and I OMGUS'd out of annoyance.In post 218, EspressoPatronum wrote:Can you share why/how you got to your scumread of me? As it stands, it looks like it's either a bandwagon read or an OMGUS.
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Fair point. There isn't a lot imo, but at least there's something. I'll look into it more tomorrow.In post 223, Cinnamon wrote: I'm not really sure what more content you want to see right now. It's kind of weird that you say that whenI've posted my reads and you haven't interacted with them at all.- EspressoPatronum
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Agreed. Cinnamon is playing a reactionary game. He's been active on two occasions, and both were in response to my prods. He also hasn't supplied any information that wasn't already popular town opinion.In post 232, RedPanda wrote: [Regarding Cinnamon's posts on DP and me]
This looks like scum posting an opinion on the dp slot after a few of us already townread it and moving on to the espresso wagon after a few scumread it and now is stuck and flailing around now that espresso heat is gone.
I also notice that he ignored my post on his vote (see #195)... but then later complained that I wasn't engaging with his reads.- EspressoPatronum
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You said that you "feel like town is more inclined to have questions to ask about [your] position...." Aside from your question to Tim and others who townread me, you haven't asked about anyone's position. Applying your own logic to your gameplay thus far, would you agree you aren't acting very towny?In post 238, Cinnamon wrote:Instead of a 'I want to hear more' I feel like town is more inclined to have questions to ask about my position so far or what I've said
In an effort to move you into more proactive play: can you give us some more reads and/or thoughts on people that aren't me, DP, or Tim?- EspressoPatronum
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I don't think you need to list yourself, lol. Isn't it assumed you townread yourself?In post 239, Tim Goodman wrote:townreading {EP, TG, Cinnamon, CC}- EspressoPatronum
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I thought it was genuine. #217 reads as though Clarity is annoyed, and she admits as much in #219.In post 257, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
This feels really unnatural to me.In post 219, ClearlyClarity wrote:
Honestly? You're right. Sorry. I signed up for too many games and I've always been more miserable in games outside of Newbie queue. I hate being in the dark about reads. Your posting has actually been p towny and I OMGUS'd out of annoyance.In post 218, EspressoPatronum wrote:Can you share why/how you got to your scumread of me? As it stands, it looks like it's either a bandwagon read or an OMGUS.
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You disagree that lurker scum can be dangerous?? Please elaborate.In post 256, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Why can’t this post come from scum? I disagree with his take on lurker scum to be honest.In post 157, Creature wrote:
I think this looks good thoughIn post 107, EspressoPatronum wrote:Interested to hear some thoughts from the following people:
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Lurker scum can be pretty dangerous. These four haven't posted much yet.
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Creature's post on #52 (immediately before his vote) suggests he's no longer voting bcz of RVS. That's why I thought (and still think) his vote was serious.In post 254, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
I don’t think he was serious. The VC prior to Creature placing his vote indicated that Klick’s wagon was a result of RVS at the time. Creature voting there without any reasoning provided makes me think he just wanted to meme around but it came off awkward or at best, add pressure.In post 133, EspressoPatronum wrote:
Re: 64 , I know that Creature and Klick talked in between his Klick and DP votes, but I wanted more of an explanation. He said his vote was to help pressure DP, but does that also mean he thinks Klick is more town?In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/vie[post][/post]wtopic.php?p=11051816#p11051816]post 124[/url], Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I’m voting him because I kinda think he was being intentionally obtuse in 64 but I like 69. I relate to it a lot and find myself in that position more often than I would like. No pun intended.
It just seemed like a weak pivot shortly after making the wagon a "serious deal"
Even if it was real, there’s a bit of an exchange between 54 and 62 that could have made him change his mind and town read Klick, or at least feel better about him or her. Since I believe he wasn’t serious, I don’t think the pivot is weak. He’s going from having placed a non-serious vote on an RVS wagon to sheeping a wagon that he believes has legit reasons or sheeping one of his town reads.
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Blatant Tim sheep btw
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I've read several guides on forum maf over the last two weeks to help shore up my forum inexperience. Most guides say that successful maf teams have a combination of "deep threats" and manipulators. Manipulators stir up confusion, lead mislynches, and stall before they're picked off by lynches or PRs. Deep threats are responsible for blending in and making it to the end game to solidify a win.In post 266, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
You are unable to mislead, misdirect, and manipulate consistently if you’re lurking.In post 259, EspressoPatronum wrote:
You disagree that lurker scum can be dangerous?? Please elaborate.In post 256, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Why can’t this post come from scum? I disagree with his take on lurker scum to be honest.In post 157, Creature wrote:
I think this looks good thoughIn post 107, EspressoPatronum wrote:Interested to hear some thoughts from the following people:
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Lurker scum can be pretty dangerous. These four haven't posted much yet.
Espresso can be town
You're right that lurkers can't manipulate consistently, but I would argue that you're overlooking potential deep threats.
Fwiw, I recognize that active players can still be deep threats, but I'd say lurkers are the more likely candidates. Lurking into deep threat has a smaller margin of error to being active (ie. Fewer chances to slip) and it requires less effort.
With all that theory in mind, I think focusing on lurkers has two benefits:
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I meant to write:In post 363, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Huh?In post 258, EspressoPatronum wrote: What part is unnatural about the post is unnatural to you?
What part about the post is unnatural to you?
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What part is unnatural about the post to you?
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Also worth noting that 13 of his 15 posts are fluff. The remaining 2 were him hopping on the early push against me.In post 371, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: Pink Ball
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Good stuff. I'll vote with you guys.In post 431, Creature wrote:
Sure, what do you want to do rn?In post 301, Tim Goodman wrote:But I'd only do that if you work with me.
I trust your reads enough if you're town. I'm not townreading you.
Not so sure about Chemist as scum yet, but I'm happy with the other two.In post 457, Creature wrote:
PB + URAP2 + ChemistIn post 411, Tim Goodman wrote:By all rights PB should be scum with that iso, but I kinda feel that way about URAP2 and Chemist1422 and ofhrz slots as well.
I feel like ceejay puts more effort before replacing out as scum.
So is DP a no-go today?In post 458, Creature wrote:
If he shows he is fun to play with, I agree.In post 412, Tim Goodman wrote:DP gets D1 immunity for flavor reasons.- EspressoPatronum
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Tim and Creature are two of my townreads and have agreed to work together. If they both don't want DP to happen today, I'll gladly hop off the wagon.In post 474, Pine wrote:
This pings my scumdar hard.In post 466, EspressoPatronum wrote:So is DP a no-go today?- EspressoPatronum
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I think my ISO will stand for itself. If your scum radars are still going off after that, I'll be happy to chime in.In post 513, Pine wrote:
I think it's mostly "what is this person's objective?" If EP is Town, then their objective is to lynch their scumreads. If they're scum, then their objective is to blend in. A classic newscum strategy is to just go along with the consensus, keep your hands clean. Making an unpopular stand on something is difficult, risky, and Townish. So the quoted line, taking the temperature of the consensus, being willing to equivocate...it strikes me as newscum. It's hardly an ironclad read, I'd need to do an ISO dive to get a better handle. New players are always the worst to get a read on.In post 492, Creature wrote:
Why?In post 474, Pine wrote:
This pings my scumdar hard.In post 466, EspressoPatronum wrote:So is DP a no-go today?- EspressoPatronum
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Welcome to you both.
@Menalque, that was a pretty wild entrance. Is this your normal playstyle, or do you expect this to change after you sleep? As it stands, it looks like it could have been a play to draw so much attention that ppl would think you're too scummy to be scum.
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In post 620, Firebringer wrote:why couldn't i have gotten scum.
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What are your thoughts on the first 619 posts of the game? Anyone stand out as scum from those? Who looks town?In post 666, Firebringer wrote:id feel like that would be an appropriate comment if i thought for a minute u were trying at this moment instead of just blaming me for nothing going on.
So if you want me to participate you could lead the conversation by directing me to discuss various events that has happened this game or you could chill out and go with the flow till the game goes into the area you want it to.
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@Firebrand, I don't think he's blaming you for the game being slow right now. It's more likely that he wants you to proactively engage in discussion. I'd like to see the same fwiw.
A start would be to catch up on the thread. In there, you'd see that most people with low post got prodded for content. Your situation here is no different.
Some highlights of events (based on my memory. I'm probably missing some):
Klick wagon early
Espresso push
Lurker prods
Cinnamon push (?)
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Can you actually do this for real though?In post 668, Firebringer wrote:
good question.In post 667, EspressoPatronum wrote:
What are your thoughts on the first 619 posts of the game? Anyone stand out as scum from those? Who looks town?In post 666, Firebringer wrote:id feel like that would be an appropriate comment if i thought for a minute u were trying at this moment instead of just blaming me for nothing going on.
So if you want me to participate you could lead the conversation by directing me to discuss various events that has happened this game or you could chill out and go with the flow till the game goes into the area you want it to.
but your current route is just annoying passive aggressive
i think theres alot of people who are town in this game in those posts. Specifically posts 1-512; Theres at least 9 town and 2 scum in there. But when you take a look at posts 513-601; Some of those reads flipped and a few new reads now I have 10 town and 5 scum. I also think player 1,2,3 are really standing out. Seem very prolific in their posts and stances. I think we should focus on those 3 because they are definitely important.- EspressoPatronum
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In post 740, Tim Goodman wrote:alright
I would hate myself if I didn't lynch Menalque today.
VOTE: Menalque
Case to follow tomorrowIs the case against Menalque mentioned in 740 still coming, or have you fully swapped to Firebringer?
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His entrance posts directed at Pine would add to this.In post 848, Detective Pikachu wrote:In post 684, Firebringer wrote:idk I have too many townreads at this moment I think. I need to prune that list.
I am gonna call scum rn as pinkball, ofrhz, and Pine. Why Pine? Idk. I want to townread pine and that is the only reason I want to say he is town so he must actually be scum.
my logic is flawless.but the problem is I slightly thought cc might be town
If scum I would say pine would be the distancing target here
Kinda feel like ofrhz is town, I'm town, pink ball I'm soft gut town idk... too many people I want to townread this game- EspressoPatronum
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It was great imo. Meh story, but very immersive and creative world. It had a healthy sprinkling of humour, too.In post 860, Firebringer wrote:no problemo, but seriously how was the movie?- EspressoPatronum
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Adding to this... Firebringer never mentions DP.In post 861, EspressoPatronum wrote:
His entrance posts directed at Pine would add to this.In post 848, Detective Pikachu wrote:In post 684, Firebringer wrote:idk I have too many townreads at this moment I think. I need to prune that list.
I am gonna call scum rn as pinkball, ofrhz, and Pine. Why Pine? Idk. I want to townread pine and that is the only reason I want to say he is town so he must actually be scum.
my logic is flawless.but the problem is I slightly thought cc might be town
If scum I would say pine would be the distancing target here
Kinda feel like ofrhz is town, I'm town, pink ball I'm soft gut town idk... too many people I want to townread this game
Bad look for Pine and DP if Firebringer flips scum.- EspressoPatronum
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Detective Pikachu.In post 866, Firebringer wrote:who is DP?
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