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[nomnomnom]

VOTE: saladman

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: saladman

I mean my other choice of vote is Skitter but this is going to be harder to push honestly and I want to see what people think of this slot anyway.

[nomnomnom]

Also I want an explanation on that pk vote.

[nomnomnom]

I asked Skitter

[nomnomnom]

Combo of:

-> following dunn's order
-> could be a bussing vote on urap (i was thinking of voting salad but i'm not sure scum!salad is on his partner's wagon that long)
-> hating the miller thing from both him and cinn

Figured this is a decent place to start

How are you reading him?

I'm in an awkward spot with him. I liked how Cinn handled the miller personally but now there's this running doubt that pisskop just claimed miller because of the gamestate and he realized he dun goofed when implying he wasn't yesterday. So that makes my paranoid side go ham.

With that said I am getting increasingly worried letting a slot like salad get to mylo/lylo.

[nomnomnom]

Detective Pikachu (1):

Dunnstral

pisskop (1):

skitter30

Saladman27 (1):

nomnomnom

Not Voting (5):

pisskop, Saladman27, Nero Cain,
Detective Pikachu, Vorkuta

With

8

alive, it takes

5

to hammer.
Day 3 ends in

(expired on 2019-07-15 08:45:00)

WIth that said I have a lot of doubts about you Skitter. I think there's scum in {skitter, DP, PK} because of the wagon that started on me yesterday. I should also analyse the movements on nero's wagon.

[nomnomnom]

Sure.

I hate your movements yesterday, it felt like trying to see if you could get someone else lynched than urap with the justification that you didn't want the day to end.

You're not the only one guilty of this and in fact DP looks even worse in that aspect by joining my wagon with a "lol" and hard defending urap, and at this point I want to make up my mind if the scums were prepared to bus urap or not. And the fact he flipped goon makes me think that scums were probably ready for this. So that's my doubts about you right there.

[nomnomnom]

I'll also add PK but he was more silent during that ordeal and just voted at eod so it's a bit harder to have a classification in my mind.

[nomnomnom]

If you're scum that also means that you prepared your bus one day in advance because I firmly remember your pushing stance on urap day 1 until the wagons split to Flubber/Nero.

So yeah, in that sense it's a bit less likely I suppose. Just want to calm my paranoia here.

[nomnomnom]

So your suspicion is on me because I didn't go LOL NICE TROLL instantly?

We already had one person fake claiming day 1 and wasting everyone's time, did you really think I had the patience for another one

[nomnomnom]

That's not making it easier for me lol

[nomnomnom]

I think it's futile yeah.

I just need to sort between you 3 and just ask myself what to do with salad.

[nomnomnom]

So your suspicion is on me because I didn't go LOL NICE TROLL instantly?

We already had one person fake claiming day 1 and wasting everyone's time, did you really think I had the patience for another one

my suspicion is based on how you went so far as to vanity me and then unvote like you had just accomplished something yes.

feels like theatre.

Where's the theatric part exactly?
I doubted you because of a gamestate where most people gave your slot a pass because they claimed miller and you come in claiming you aren't, then claiming you are when I say I would advocate for your lynch if you were not miller.

[nomnomnom]

kinda feel like scum are

urap

teacher

dp

im basically 1-1 right now.

my big hold up is Skitter tunneling me with the reasoning "his reads are so bad" just looks like projecting scum.

Buj came to the same conclusion as me and Dunn is scum reading you and I'm not town reading you so I'm ok with voting you today.

Vote me then

naw, I'm killing your teams PR

Okay Nero I'd like an explanation on that.

[nomnomnom]

oh, I just think Skitter wanting me to vote her over him means he's prob important.

I'm not really sure I agree with the explanation.

You think the scumteam is Skitt/DP?

[nomnomnom]

I'm weirded out by everyone leaving saladman out of the equation honestly.

[nomnomnom]

How so?

[nomnomnom]

Here's another thought avenue.

If pisskop or saladman are scums, they were taught to act this way by partner. I think pisskop's slot has more chances to have been told to fake a miller claim given pk's entrance to the slot, but I think urap isn't the kind of player making bonkers play like that, let alone ask someone else to do them. So it would have to be someone in this playerlist.

Urap asking saladman to vote his slot for towncred and excuse his lurkish nature is possible though. Urap really seemed like he gave up on this game and probably gave his scumpartners a go for bussing. I think it partially explains the wagon going this flowingly. Scums must have come in to yesterday expecting to bus urap. That's what I think.

[nomnomnom]

How so?

it just is.

like you are clearly scum reading Skitter and Skitter wants me to vote her instead of SP and you think ????

I'm just having a hard time with that kind of speculative logic honestly. It creates confirmation bias and that's dangerous to do.

[nomnomnom]

No, I was just too dumb and lazy to find that URAP's first interaction with me was weird. No one TRs me especially after 1 post.

Can I have your thoughts on this game? that'd help me sorting a little bit at this point

[nomnomnom]

ok. If I'm voting someone that I think is scum and another person that I think is scum comes along and asks me to vote them I should think ___________?

idk dude

I'm just saying, be careful with that kind of logic.

[nomnomnom]

I think interactions in the early game is useful, the whole reason why I voted urap was because of that D1 post...

Okay but I want your thoughts now if possible. Who do you think is scum?

[nomnomnom]

Dunn - PK

Interesting, why Dunn?

[nomnomnom]

I don't like the logic but I don't see someone like saladman having this kind of logic as scum.

Skitter, DP, or pk...

[nomnomnom]

UNVOTE:

[nomnomnom]

Skitter, DP,

or pk...

What did

YOU

think when Skitter wanted me to vote her over DP?

tbh I didn't really noticed that at first but even now I don't have a Eureka! moment over it.

Scumteams:
Skitter-DP seems like one solution that encompasses a lot of things happening but I have small doubts on the both of them trying to redirect on me at the same time yesterday.
I could see DP-PK.
Skitter-Salad could exist but gut says I'm wrong even if all the components are there.
DP-Salad could exist but it's a bit more of a crapshoot.
Skitter-PK is very VERY unlikely.

I think I wanna vote here VOTE: DP anyway. His movements yesterday were not town.

[nomnomnom]

I also keep forgetting vork is playing this game, he's been silent as hell

[nomnomnom]

The logic here is fairly bad from salad but that's actually why I don't think he's scum. I imagine this kind of guy trying to come up with bad logic about today, not day 1. That just seems outlandish for a scum to do imo

[nomnomnom]

Also this is like what, the 5th time I unvote/go back on a suspicion of mine and that someone goes there 5 minutes after?

[nomnomnom]

Skitter if salad is town, who's his partner?

[nomnomnom]

salad is scum*

[nomnomnom]

Why not DP?

[nomnomnom]

Do you have much experience with Vork? What do you know about scum!him?

[nomnomnom]

For now I think we can focus on who didnt want urap lynched and why

I think this is bad reasoning.

[nomnomnom]

For now I think we can focus on who didnt want urap lynched and why

I think this is bad reasoning.

No. I think it helps focus our attentions. Then again maybe people actually remember this game better than I do.

No, it falsely creates conditions to catch scums and you allow scums to get out of your logic net were they ready to bus URAP yesterday which can be a thing given on how this day 1 went.

[nomnomnom]

You take things entirely too seriously; its hard to nudge the game in any direction if you spaz out over this stuff.

I kinda wanna win here so you know.
I said why I think it's a bad direction to look at: I think scums were ready to bus urap given the direction of d1 and d2.

[nomnomnom]

Here's another thought avenue.

If pisskop or saladman are scums, they were taught to act this way by partner. I think pisskop's slot has more chances to have been told to fake a miller claim given pk's entrance to the slot, but I think urap isn't the kind of player making bonkers play like that, let alone ask someone else to do them. So it would have to be someone in this playerlist.

Urap asking saladman to vote his slot for towncred and excuse his lurkish nature is possible though. Urap really seemed like he gave up on this game and probably gave his scumpartners a go for bussing. I think it partially explains the wagon going this flowingly. Scums must have come in to yesterday expecting to bus urap. That's what I think.

like this post pings me too though, nom has pinged me a bunch of times this game, feel like people keep arguing she's town and I did like some of her thought processes in the early game.

I think there's a scum between Vork and nom, I disliked vork more early, I disliked nom more later, I kinda felt a bit better about her after the urap flip and some other things I saw but she still keeps writing individual posts that ping me.

My slot is probably too toxic for my reads to matter anyway right now so it doesn't help that I genuinely just don't know lol

What's wrong with this post exactly?

I'm trying to map scumteams.

[nomnomnom]

There are terms I'm starting to dislike and "ping" is starting to get there because it feels like a way to avoid developing a read yet feel like you said something substantial.

Starting to feel confident about DP.

[nomnomnom]

I feel like it's you as scum explaining why you would talk Cinnamon into a miller gambit for instance, or force Shoshin to be lynched purely because scumteam was informed there was no cops or something.

Why is "the scumteam was informed there were no cops or something" the first explanation you go to, exactly? There are at least a thousand explanations, but that's what you went with.
I take it you think that you think the scumteam is me and PK, and that I coached Cinnamon to fakeclaim miller?

Then why are you confused in your next paragraph? This is what I am saying that could have been done to CINNAMON, not PK. I am saying that if Cinnamon fakeclaimed they must have been coached by someone because of the calibre of the player. Anything else seems impossible.

Plus there's definitely a difference in acting between the two slots and that's what caused my confusion. Although the "trolling" justification and the timing of him re-claiming miller when threatened with a wagon is just paranoia fuel.

[nomnomnom]

If pisskop or saladman are scums, they were taught to act this way by partner.

You said you think pisskop was coached *this game* and I do not see how you reach that conclusion

I said Cinnamon. You are a god damn liar.

[nomnomnom]

I talked about the slot in general, so I guess that's where the confusion comes slot. But I was definitely referring to Cinnamon. Why are you so tight about this? That seems like the most logical thing to me??

I don't get it. I think you're trying to cause a false dilemma here.

[nomnomnom]

I could see you pretending not to understand the logic to further a DP/PK team because you invoking that logic for me but ignoring it when referred to you is definitely suspicious and scummy.

[nomnomnom]

yeah I definitely should be more composed when a slot is being stupid and cannot read lines

[nomnomnom]

Perhaps I wasn't too far off when I said "you guys are doing this on purpose" yesterday.

[nomnomnom]

Like why would Cinnamon need to be coached to fake a miller claim? Why do you think I'm a "god damn liar" when you literally say you think pisskop was "told to act 'this way' by a partner'" -- I don't even know what 'this way' means. The post is weird and confusing and I don't get your thought process there. I don't see why those are logical inferences based on what's in the game

Because the guy comes straight out of the newbie queue with an earnest and honest tone and is upfront about being a miller which is a textbook play on the wiki. So either he's honest either he needs to be coached through it because I literally do not see a slot like this making a miller fakeclaim out of the gate.

I never said something like "PK is being coached through it" because it would be obvious to everyone that I am referring to the slot in general and referring to Cinnamon's entrance, and I discussed the different entrances in length in thread. You just ignore what I say and say "HUH BUT I DO FEEL WEIRD THIS PINGS ME" when it's obvious you are not following the game, my thought process, and trying to push an awful false dilemma

based on a d1 interaction while ignoring every other parameter

.

I'm starting to get frustrated with you, because you are using faulty logic to attack me and that only reads as scummy to me.

[nomnomnom]

"11 was TvS and you were the S" is a pretty simple explanation for you basically trying to turn every interaction with you into a toxic mess. That's a really shitty way to play scum by the way. If you're town here I get it but if you're scum you really should find a different strategy.

I'm not turning my interactions into a toxic mess I just hate when people outright lie and misrepresent me over and over to push me.
I'm just frustrated when people do that because either you're town and you are actually not reading the game, either you're scum abusing my patience over and over. And honestly this game I think you're doing the latter bud.

[nomnomnom]

I've lost my shit this game a few times because of that. Actually you were also the reason why I lost my shit the previous day claiming scums thought Shoshin was cop while simultaneously pointing at me being a likely culprit for that

when I literally put myself forward the entire day to push that as a fakeclaim

.

And THEN you backtrack on that logic to try and push me with outlandish logic such as "lol the scumteam must know that there are no cops this game"??? Are you for real????

[nomnomnom]

I'm not turning my interactions into a toxic mess I just hate when people outright lie and misrepresent me over and over to push me.

Yeah sure I'm crying a river, person who just said they were scumreading me for using the word "ping"

I think I'm done with this thread for the night

That's not why I am scumreading you, you misrepresenting slime.

Jesus christ.

[nomnomnom]

I feel like this argument is really stupid actually but I think you going for toxicity as a go-to response for every misunderstanding or point of confusing or claiming that people are deliberately trying to misunderstand you is pretty gross

There's a difference between misunderstanding and intentionally pretending to not understand an argument, WHILE reusing said argument to push me, WHILE saying I am scum for it.

So yeah you'll get a heated response from me especially since you've made really bad accusations earlier in the game and I don't care if it makes me look bad because god damn people like you get on my nerves pretty easily, especially when they are dishonest about their logic and contradicting themselves over and over.

[nomnomnom]

If you expected me to take lying, contradiction and misrepresentation as a tactic to push me in the good way and the "ah, I'll explain to you mislead child" you are mistaken about the kind of person I am. I won't let it slide, and you can try to say I am "toxic" for it, it doesn't change that the logic you have been using this game is absolutely atrocious and I'm left to believe that you want to extend the lynch pool to Vork and me by creating a false dilemma on our slots, again, ON AN EARLY DAY 1 INTERACTION.

[nomnomnom]

If I was scum, I would have shot you over Sho. Because you were pretty clearly softing being informed.

Protective role go on NomNomNom please

Gee I wonder why I didn't die.

Also choose your version of the facts. You're trying to fish for my role by invoking a thousand possibilities.

[nomnomnom]

Like I'll take you on your logic right, you think I could be scum softing being an investigative role with some kind of knowledge that Shoshin doesn't flip cop. If that's the case, why does my scumteam kill her night 1? That logic is faulty.

That's a move scum!skitter makes and that's why she is in my pool among other movements she has made this game. She legitimately could be scum and I could be wasting my time with you.

[nomnomnom]

im a 3580 or so amd im just gonna zay that I'm incredibly offended that you think i need help fake laiming.

like not even making a fake claim but how to fake it. you dont rent a bulldozer to remove a rose bush, arsehole

it's like people don't actually try to read what I am writing.

[nomnomnom]

I'm not really getting your Nom case. Like Nom is being super

ATE

y and I could maybe kinda see a scum doing it but its also playing in the back of my head that...like before this game even started we talking on site chat and he was talking about how he suffered from anxiety

Site chat is public so I don't feel like I'm breaking anything that's meant to be confidential. Or maybe it was and I'm just a shit friend.

Mafia is stressful and pressure-packed so his reactions feel kinda normal? Or maybe that's just not a good reason to town read him in the first place.

No like

there are things that will make me act very aggressive towards people and it's when they outright lie about things I said, misrepresent me to hell and back, do not read what I write and push me on things that I simply didn't say or do, which is what DP has been doing this game with contradictory logic. That'll always piss me off and sorry for the AtE but sometimes when someone is outright lying about things you do to try and push your lynch, it's something that'll just make me explode mentally.

With that said I still think DP is scum for pushing my lynch with logics that contradict each other.

[nomnomnom]

also @nero I've been installing a new operating system on my machine and I don't have all my preferred programs there so I didn't have the time to do your thing yet lol

[nomnomnom]

it's like people don't actually try to read what I am writing.

I think youre towny for our discussion. I think you don't quite get my style. And thats okay if you/I dont get the other.

---

I feel like I begrudgingly TRed dunn yesterday. Do you think they might be scum or am I now omgusing?

I think Dunn is town.

I still believe there is at least one scum here: {Skitter you DP}

What's your read on the other two?

[nomnomnom]

Also quick aside but I'd like to apologize for being a bit erratic this game. Sometimes I take things to heart and I don't want to seem like an AtE mess to play with, really. I wanna be enjoyable to play with despite the heated moments and I don't want to leave a negative impact even if some things profoundly bother me.

[nomnomnom]

I have to read the latest posts from them. I feel like theyre putting in the smallest effort they need to to not be wagoned. You know?

The pressure seems to have produced some more content and effort from them at least.

It's honestly really hard to pick one good person to vote out of the triplet even if my heart is set on DP right now.

I could see you 3 being scum but you being scum is less likely because I have a firm read on Cinnamon being unable to make a miller fakeclaim without a partner. But then again we have competent players this game so my paranoia tells me it's not entirely unlikely.

[nomnomnom]

nom, would you be interested in a skitter lynch?

I think so yeah.

[nomnomnom]

I'm starting to think PK is town from by bunch so I think I'd like to vote in DP/Skitter.

I thought you had a preference for DP though? What changed your mind?

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Skitter

Really wanna know about the preference.

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Skitter

Really wanna know about the preference.

Ok

Lets talk about why you think i'm scum exactly

I think I explained it already.

I hate your movements yesterday trying to extend the day trying to extend the lynch to salad, then substantially finding movements in me and Nero. You weren't on the wagon but I could see your distant approval ready to switch to me. That's how yesterday felt to me. I also don't understand your DP townread and honestly a lot of how you approached my arguments about you being capable of bussing Urap from the get go and openly saying this is something you would do as scum? I feel like scum!you could say that. And the reason for that is because I feel we kinda have the same mentality when approaching mafia. It's only an intuition but my heart tells me you are the same kind of scum player that I am. You do things openly and you're not scared to do or say things that make you look worse.

That's a bad way to read people though so I mostly stick to my impression about your movements this game that have been honestly feeling scum motivated.

Can you detail to me why DP is town?

[nomnomnom]

Again, other footnote about the freakouts, I realized it was with how DP approached me with faulty logic and honestly I just enter rage mode when people do that repetitively. I had this false thought about you doing it too. Vork has been annoying day 1 but not to the extent of how DP was, because DP just pushed me with two different contradicting logics and I find a player like that REALLY frustrating to deal with and I'm going to feel really pissed if that clouds my judgement.

I haven't seen your scumgame so maybe I'm wrong. Just an impression from talking with you and playing a game with you.

Can I have your updated thoughts on Pisskop again?

[nomnomnom]

ergh... you're not making this easy for me

I need to sleep on this I think. I'm running in mental circles with you 3.

[nomnomnom]

I wish Vork was more cooperative.

He's just been throwing shit at me since the beginning.

[nomnomnom]

u r a person 2 (5):

teacher, Nero Cain, Saladman27,
NerfedBuj, Vorkuta

L-2

Vorkuta(2):

Dunnstral, nomnomnom

teacher (1):

Cinnamon

Cinnamon (1):

Vorkuta

skitter30 (1):

Detective Pikachu

nomnomnom (1):

u r a person 2

Not Voting (3):

skitter30, EvilDeanius, Flubbernugget

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2019-06-22 09:30:00)

a bunch of bullshit that doesn't even come close to acknowledging my problem.

k

Honestly this pretty much does it for me
Everyone who's dismissed my arguments without reading them has been scum so far, and I've never shook that impression off since early D1
The shoshin play and willingness to tunnel obv!town is horrible as well
What else...

For the last time

I said she was not cop.
She did not flip cop.
I was right and justified to push that.

Move on and get to solving already, jesus christ.

[nomnomnom]

vote vork with me plz and thank you

That {DP Skitter you} triplet really needs solving to you and honestly the fact that both you and skitter are trying to get out of that is making me worried.

[nomnomnom]

That {DP Skitter you} triplet really needs solving to you and honestly the fact that both you and skitter are trying to get out of that is making me worried.

hunh?

The only person who thinks its a good idea to lump these players together arbitrarily is you

scum is prob 2 of skitter/dp/piss

And I mean this is pbad too.

I guess not!

Also this is my personal solve. I believe my wagon and Nero's wagon were attempts at getting a mislynch yesterday, and you three were the biggest culprits with suspicious movements, so I want to lynch in the triplet today.

[nomnomnom]

Nero's wagon

you tr him?

Yes. Have been for a while now.

[nomnomnom]

Tell you what though. Im sure I could convince DP and skitter to vote w/me and not on me.

You say that like that's a good thing.

[nomnomnom]

vote vork with me plz and thank you

That {DP Skitter you} triplet really needs solving to you and honestly the fact that both you and skitter are trying to get out of that is making me worried.

Oh, do explain

I already explained that to you skitt

[nomnomnom]

Trying to lynch saladman and nero and townreading the two people in the triplet?

[nomnomnom]

I'm going to laugh when the three of you revote Nero again.

Probably a depressed laugh but a laugh nonetheless.

[nomnomnom]

Trying to lynch saladman and nero and townreading the two people in the triplet?

Since when did having different reads mean that someone is trying to either weasel or is not town?

Because the movements are bad and fmpov at least one of you is scum.

[nomnomnom]

No I think you're trying to get out of my PoE because it destroys you in the long run and you're trying to extend the lynchpool to at least one person that I am confident is town.

You 3 cannot be all town. I refuse to believe that.

[nomnomnom]

Id policy lynch nom just to set a precedent against such play

Sometimes I just wish I could connect other people's brains to my brains because I have the impression that while what I type makes a lot of sense, it seems to chinese to people.

And unfortunately that's not a thing that only happens here. It's frustrating.

[nomnomnom]

Id policy lynch nom just to set a precedent against such play

No

+1

And I'm disagreeing with a vote for nom x3 so you know that this reasoning is horrible

Then why are you voting me????

[nomnomnom]

Id policy lynch nom just to set a precedent against such play

Sometimes I just wish I could connect other people's brains to my brains because I have the impression that while what I type makes a lot of sense, it seems to chinese to people.

And unfortunately that's not a thing that only happens here. It's frustrating.

Maybe consider that this might be a thing that's happening in this game given that a significant part of why you're scumreading me is basically this

No, that's not why.

I am scumreading you because I believe there's scum intent in these pushes. Same for DP and pk, that's why. You even agreed that the movements could seem bad from an outside perspective, so why don't you understand my triplet reasoning and why on earth do you townread these other two while they did the same thing as you??

I'm at loss of words. I don't know. A part of me wishes you perhaps haven't had the "Eureka!" moment but another part of me tells me that you're just scum.

[nomnomnom]

I, in part, townread them for doing the same thing that i did - it tels me that it's more likely that they're approaching thr game the same way that i am - p similar to why you're townreading nero

Also urap doesnt make sense as a urap partner really

Pisskop's miller thing is bad but on balance i dont think comes from scum who's capable of recognizing that doing so will makr them scumread

Okay, but we discussed about your movements and you said that the arguments were fair so I suppose you recognize the possibility of these movements you've been making are bad.

PK and DP have taken similar movements.

So, again, while I understand the angle you're approaching with townmelding, I think it's a faulty argument here.

[nomnomnom]

Massclaiming is a bad idea.

Dunn help me out here, I feel a bit lonely.

[nomnomnom]

I'm just at a loss of words at this gamestate honestly.

It feels a bit unreal to be like this on day 3.

[nomnomnom]

... was there a cop claim that i missed?

ptsd intensifies

[nomnomnom]

also just drop the MC idea we're not doing it.

[nomnomnom]

What do you need help with

I'm trying to figure out where I want to vote today

I want to know if my reasoning is bad and discuss with someone I don't have overwhelming paranoia about.

[nomnomnom]

I've changed my mind on Detective Pikachu, I think they're town

What do you think of my triplet analysis and would you be willing to vote Skitter with me

[nomnomnom]

I've changed my mind on Detective Pikachu, I think they're town

What do you think of my triplet analysis and would you be willing to vote Skitter with me

I don't feel good about voting skitter right now

The triplet thing for me is whether I want to vote pisskop or not

What's your analysis right now?

I think he's the least likely to flip scum out of the 3 but he's there in my triplet so yeah.

[nomnomnom]

God damn it im too drunk for this

[nomnomnom]

This is a bad plan Nero.

[nomnomnom]

I thought Nero was the vote I would hate the most today but holy shit that NL is something else.

[nomnomnom]

scum are the ones that

NEED

ml's town doesn't.

Like I get it, you're seeing these guys coming on you with a vote and stuff but a no lynch isn't the solution to our problems dude.

This is such a bad decision.

[nomnomnom]

I swear you guys are reading "no lynch" and are just saying "NO" for the sake of saying no
As opposed to carefully weighing the pros and cons and responding accordingly

I think a lynch today and now would benefit scum more than town (for reasons outlined above)
I think a no-lynch would benefit town more than scum

You don't even know what kind of vig we have.
Also on what planet do you think we seriously have a compulsive vig in a normal game like this and that we've only had one extra death so far?

This is such a bad reasoning to push a NL. You let scums break their movements for the day and hide behind a no lynch and allow them to make the next move, just because you think the vig will solve the problem??

Jesus christ guys.

[nomnomnom]

PK and DP on the same wagon what were the odds.

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Salad
I guess this is the only counterwagon I'll get to this vork wagon.

[nomnomnom]

then you are lying b/c scum that's getting pushed constantly isn't going to kill their biggest defender when I could shoot someone that's scumreading me.

Also to note that he was fervently defending Vork.

[nomnomnom]

I still feel like no lynching notaday and going to 5:2 and massclaiming as opposed to lynching today and then massclaiming in 4:2 makes the most sense

maybe Salad flips scum and it'll just be 4:1 tomorrow.

This is the worst move Nero.
This forces scum to commit to movements.

[nomnomnom]

Why are you unwilling to believe that Skitter-Vork can't be a thing?

I dont think nero/vork is a thing.

Im choosing to remain silent on your suggestion that skitter is scum.

this makes me think its a piss/skitter team and me/vork is his game-ending chain lynch

My only doubt is why not starting a wagon on you if that's the case instead on Vork since Skitter is showing intent to vote you?

[nomnomnom]

Yeah this day is leaning towards lurkers it seems and that's honestly a very bad sign imo.

DP's motivations have been very muddled this entire day.

[nomnomnom]

dear god

[nomnomnom]

- urap defends vork like its a White Flag game because vork get murderated before lylo due to his playstyle

I feel this is a reach.

And I know it's a reach because I could think of other reasons why urap would be defending a scum partner really hard.

[nomnomnom]

Urap flipped goon.

Defending a partner could mean they're a scum PR.

That feels like a logical approach. That's also that approach that made me guess urap was a bus mostly and that scums were ready to bus him. And that's why I have doubts about Skitter.

[nomnomnom]

I feel like the lack of interaction with DP/Urap is much more worthy to look at, honestly. Scums often betray themselves when they avoid talking to each other, or about each other.

[nomnomnom]

I still don't understand why people refuse to vote DP even though the chances he's scum is like, a good 80%.

[nomnomnom]

I don't see a pocket, I see attempts at redirecting an urap lynch on people, and beetlejuicing most of today.

[nomnomnom]

which posts from dp are that?

It's not really quotable.

Day 2 he defended Urap from being lynched and tried redirecting a lynch on me and Nero.

He's been extremely silent today aside from his interaction with me.

It's more of a gamestate thing.

[nomnomnom]

yeah my bad for trying to analyze things i guess

[nomnomnom]

It's not a bad faith snipe, you literally accuse me of having bad contributions by implying the arguments I invoke are bad buzzwords. And that annoys me. How you interacted this game with me just makes me go bonkers honestly. I don't like people like you, that pick arguments of people and misrepresent them, and push people with contradictory logic. So yeah, I'm tired of you as a whole.

[nomnomnom]

well

[nomnomnom]

Also for the record

Skitter and I haven't had the same kind of interaction that I've had with DP, because she hasn't taken my arguments and blatantly misrepped me and pushed me in bad faith with contradictory logic. If you don't want people to lose their shit with you perhaps you should fix that first.

[nomnomnom]

I say that about skitter, but I could take anyone. Vorkuta and I had a bit of an altercation earlier but it stopped there, pisskop isn't the happiest about my slot but here we are, etc.

What you did was childish but I'm not supposed to discuss replacements so yeah. I just find it honestly stupid.

[nomnomnom]

debatable

[nomnomnom]

I still don't understand why people refuse to vote DP even though the chances he's scum is like, a good 80%.

Still at this?

Pretty much.

[nomnomnom]

Although people think your slot is town so you know.

[nomnomnom]

So wait skit

you've been rescinding your salad sr? What are your other scumreads then?

[nomnomnom]

I mean I think Skitter could be scum but she's not getting lynched today sooooo

[nomnomnom]

urgh, are we really doing this

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Skitter
We need too many votes for a lynch so I guess I have no choice

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Skitter
We need too many votes for a lynch so I guess I have no choice

Also would u vote nero in the event of my townflip?

I'd need to reconsider the entire gamestate so reconsidering my read on Nero would be necessary.

I think I die tonight though.

[nomnomnom]

I don't want a NL though.

[nomnomnom]

I don't want a NL though.

then you can work with the others to lynch elsewhere.

I've tried and this is where it's going lol

[nomnomnom]

I don't want a NL though.

Do u disagree with my characterization of his push being gross and slimy?

I don't see it that way. I am a bit worried with the NL obsession but I don't think it's gross and slimy given he has given intention to vote your slot for a while now. How is it slimy?

[nomnomnom]

I don't want a NL though.

Do u disagree with my characterization of his push being gross and slimy?

I don't see it that way. I am a bit worried with the NL obsession but I don't think it's gross and slimy given he has given intention to vote your slot for a while now. How is it slimy?

Over the past several pages he's been repeatedly subtly misunderstanding me in order to push me, and he seems like a smart dude so i dont think he's obtuse enough to repeatedly misunderstand the gist of what someone is saying

He's trying to pick a fight with me when i indicated that i dont want to for non this-game-related reasons, and been twisting what i said to imply/indicate that I'm faking emotions in order to avoid talking to him, which i wouldnt do; and i think it's kinda icky that he's implying that i would.

If you're town here when i flip i want u to reconsider your entire view of the gamestate, esp town!nero, because no offense but your reads have been awful all game and if youre town the things that you've been pushing have been giving scum oppurtunities that they wouldnt have otherwise (me and shoshin, and getting pocketed by the guy that i'm very confident is scum, and getting dp, who i' p confident is town, to rep out because he didnt want to deal with you anymore). If you're town i dont think you're dying because you've been, and are, creating a gamestate conducive to scum

This is absolutely an echo of what you started off day2 with. I, unlike you, can however point to multiple examples of where you've actually done this.

I honestly feel a lot of emotional manipulation out of this post but that might be because you're striking where it hurts the most for me.

Also, DP repping out is his own deal, not mine. I am not at fault here.

[nomnomnom]

I'm kinda frustrated at what you've done to the gamestate, not trying to be emotionally manilulative but trying go highlight where you're wrong because if you're town that's where the game is going

I'm not the one that tried redirecting the lync off Urap yesterday, on my slot and Nero's. Just saying.
Shoshin fakeclaiming was her own demise, not mine. I didn't do anything wrong pushing that, and she still ate a nightkill.
We got Urap lynched day 2.

I haven't contributed to any bad gamestate. This is pure manipulation.

[nomnomnom]

If you do feel like i've emotionally manipulated you, sorry, that wasnt wuite what i was going for so i'll back off. I was more trying to use ideas that i know you resonate with to try to get my point across but i dont think you received it that way and i dont want to be emotionallu manipilative so i'll just leave it here

You're purposefully invoking a point that's really hard for me to get over. I don't like being wrong and feeling like I caused a game to be wrecked and you saw the exact result of that in the micro we got into together. It's what causes me to write paragraphs and paragraphs of guilt-ridden pain about how I feel I iredeemably fucked over a game. And that game was an absolute disaster for me to go through.

I refuse to let myself go down that suffering path again. I know it's not true. I haven't contributed to any bad gamestate. I simply responded to the gamestate as it was given to me. I am not at fault here. Nowhere.

[nomnomnom]

I'm sorry, I have the impression I am not fun to play with the way you put it

I just have my own problems and this is one I need to get over. I don't want to ruin games.

[nomnomnom]

are we sure we want to go for this 1v1 because frankly I'm starting to have doubts

[nomnomnom]

If salad is the vig he should shoot me.'

Huh why

[nomnomnom]

i mean she claimed cop day1 sooooo

Why did she claim cop D1?

She wanted to not get lynched but it was a real obvious fakeclaim.

[nomnomnom]

I mean I think Skitter could be scum but she's not getting lynched today sooooo

Then who is getting lynched today?

I mean this seems like this is changing so maybe we'll get a skitter lynch today maybe

[nomnomnom]

We need too many votes for a lynch

Why are you acting hopeless about achieving any other lynch?

Just the feel of today of people disagreeing about everything.

[nomnomnom]

skitter30 (3):

Nero Cain, nomnomnom,
pisskop

(L-2)

Vorkuta (1):

Creature

Saladman27 (1):

Saladman27

Nero Cain (1):

skitter30

No Lynch (1):

Vorkuta

Not Voting (1):

Dunnstral

With

8

alive, it takes

5

to hammer.
Day 3 ends in

(expired on 2019-07-15 08:45:00)

i mean she claimed cop day1 sooooo

Why did she claim cop D1?

She wanted to not get lynched but it was a real obvious fakeclaim.

Yet scum believed it?

I guess.

[nomnomnom]

I feel like the site meta has trended towards the use of copious, gratuitous, ample, and ungainly amounts of buzzwords.

Bees

Bees everywhere

NOT THE BEES

AHHHRRHGHGHHGHGHGG

UUUBUBGHNWJBREWJKREWLEWLE

[nomnomnom]

MY EYEEE<MS THEY'RE IN MY EYESSS

[nomnomnom]

lol

nom, if you flip red here Im never letting you make jokes again

this thread could use more lighthearted posting

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Nero Cain

After reading this exchange several times over, this is what I'm going to go with for now

I want an explanation for that one.

[nomnomnom]

Unsure what to think right now.

[nomnomnom]

Why are you voting No Lynch right now?

[nomnomnom]

I've had enough of this charade.
VOTE: Salad
L-1

[nomnomnom]

Guhhh
This a bored and apathetic/helpless townie

not scum playing chicken.

Can we not mislynch on The-Day-Before-M/Lylo?
Especially when we have a miller claim that warrants a policy?

So instead of lynching a guy that does not contribute to the gamestate whatsoever and could very well be going deep in that persona as scum, you want to policy-lynch a miller? lol

[nomnomnom]

Also pointing out at your NC vote in light of that comment :/

[nomnomnom]

Like @the guys currently voting salad.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're voting him for POLICY reasons, not because you guys honestly think he'll flip red. (75% / 25%)
You guys wouldn't even remember he existed if he hadn't prod-dodged.

No I'm just tired of someone that self-votes over and over and it could legit be a scum trying to deflect.

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Skitter

Same here.

[nomnomnom]

skitter30 (3):

Nero Cain, nomnomnom,
Creature

(L-2)

Vorkuta (2):

Dunnstral, pisskop

Saladman27 (1):

skitter30

Nero Cain (1):

Vorkuta

Not Voting (1):

Saladman27

With

8

alive, it takes

5

to hammer.
Day 3 ends in

(expired on 2019-07-15 08:45:00)

i lied. i think you're willfully ignoring the current gamestate

Im literally the one trying to push the gamestate AWAY from 'which compromise policy lynch do we want more'

Get over your bad ideas and hammer skitter thanks

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Salad
Not going with a no lynch.

[nomnomnom]

first thing first is that I'm a (likely the) town investigation role so that means I full claim last. Then I'm going to talk about things.

Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh

[nomnomnom]

I feel very stupid now.

Very very VERY stupid.

[nomnomnom]

JOAT, with a tracker and gs shot.

Used my GS shot on Buj day 1, got a negative result.

Used my tracker shot last night on Vork, he did not visit anyone.

[nomnomnom]

I can't believe what's happening right now.

[nomnomnom]

Huh

Why did u wait a night?

Tracker shots are better the longer you wait and my gut told me it was better to save it.
I would have ended up tracking teacher night 2 because of the day 2 theories, but I decided against it.

[nomnomnom]

Also why on earth were you scumreading dp then

?

I don't understand.

[nomnomnom]

He very clearly (correctly) thought u were softing some sort of investigative - why does scum!dp kill shoshin n1 then

I actually don't remember that. Can you post that?

[nomnomnom]

I can't believe what's happening right now.

????

You claimed invest right? That's a lot of invest roles.

[nomnomnom]

Actually no, wait, I see what you're talking about DP.
I very clearly remember him voting me at some point and spitballing a lot of ideas about me being or not being an investigative. Yes that's true.
I think that was d2. And I also think that the way he did it was scummy. I scumread the slot by play rather than my role, honestly.

[nomnomnom]

no, I claimed that I was IN a vest.

haha?

dood pls

[nomnomnom]

My point is that if he's scum he made a ridiculously dumb kill n1 given that ^^^

I kinda expected to die night 2 after Shoshin dying if that makes sense.
I think I was kept alive because there was still heat on my slot day 2. It heavily calmed day 3 though.
Again, I scumread the slot by play more than anything.

[nomnomnom]

Let's just say I cannot wait for your claim, Nero

[nomnomnom]

Actually we should get this out of the way first. Can we massclaim?
I feel lonely

[nomnomnom]

Oh yeah, almost missed the Vork question.

People were willing to go there yesterday. Almost tracked Skitter but given the push I was willing to give there and the support her wagon had, I decided to check Vork instead as a way to either confirm suspicion or lead somewhere else. Literally the same reason why I would have tracked Teacher n2 actually.

[nomnomnom]

I think Skitter is a smart player and that as scum she would have thought about tracker possibilities and the likes so she would have asked for a partner to do it.

[nomnomnom]

Also, I think my actions d1 explain WHY I pushing Shosin and that meand I was pushing her b/c I was an invest pr.

...That's my line.

[nomnomnom]

Honestly I thought you simply recognized I was a town invest and seeing my reaction to Shoshin claiming you sheeped me.
Huh...

[nomnomnom]

yeah, I saw you hinting and then since I knew I was one I knew she was bullshitting. Kinda sad that she put herself above the town but maybe it all worked out, in the end, b/c it helps kinda "prove" my role.

I have a question then.
Why did you unconditionally read me as town ever since? I think I would have started doubting my slot if the positions were reversed.

[nomnomnom]

I find 3 invests to be really high especially with a doc, which is why my first reaction is "WTF".

[nomnomnom]

I guess one of my shots has a false positive on Dunn but still.
I wanna see your claim before setup spec anyway.

[nomnomnom]

a false positive

+miller not miller negative town utility

Anyway- obligatory did you get a *NO RESULT* or *DID NOT DO SHIT* PM for your shots?

I detailed what I received in my claim. There is no ambiguity.

[nomnomnom]

I wanna see your claim before setup spec anyway.

should I claim now or wait?

I don't think the order matters anymore.

[nomnomnom]

I'm waiting for claims still.

[nomnomnom]

I just want people to claim already so I can go back to sorting proper.

[nomnomnom]

[nomnomnom]

Hm...

[nomnomnom]

I have a problem with the claim. A few problems in fact.

[nomnomnom]

Namely that you're implying that the scumteam is composed of 2 goons and an encryptor, against 2 JOATS with a total of 3 invest shots and 1 vig shot, a rolecop and a doctor at the minimum.

Also the fact that if Vorkuta is scum, he did not make the nightkill.

[nomnomnom]

I also don't understand why you would not check the miller given that this was pretty much where your role would shine, I believe.

[nomnomnom]

Do NOT pull an Axe, please.

Don't do this.

[nomnomnom]

I also have a strong feeling that you would have checked either me or Shoshin after that day 1 too.

It's what I would have done anyway. Yes, "I'm not you", but still.

[nomnomnom]

I also think a rolecop would make a lot of sense as a scum role in this setup and that doesn't help.

[nomnomnom]

...And I just realized that if I investigated you with my GS shot, this claim would have given you an out. Another false positive.

[nomnomnom]

Does Performer really make a setup where there is a possibility that my one gs shot returns 2 positives on two townies...

[nomnomnom]

I guess the vote is between Vork and Nero by default but I want PK and creature to claim so we can get this out of the way.

[nomnomnom]

Do NOT pull an Axe, please.

Don't do this.

I dont know what this means

We played a large normal together where I was mason with a player that single handledly razed town out of townies, and endgamed Nero who was pretty obviously town on final 3. We both have a very bad memory of that game. He's essentially playing on my emotions and telling me not to throw.

[nomnomnom]

Skitter can you remind me why you read Vork as town?

[nomnomnom]

My entire case on Nero was that he was a VT that correctly read me as VT and this claim makes this read crumble really hard.

Mechanically this just sounds like a scum claim.

[nomnomnom]

correctly read me as PR*

[nomnomnom]

@Nero why do you believe that Skitter must be the last spec with all these elements on the table?

[nomnomnom]

last scum*
gdamn im tired

[nomnomnom]

That's avoiding the question and you're basically avoiding the problem I have with that speculation...
Make this easier for me, yeah?

[nomnomnom]

How on earth are we playing a miller 2 joats 1 rolecop 1 doc vs 2 goons 1 encryptor game?

[nomnomnom]

How on earth are we playing a miller 2 joats 1 rolecop 1 doc vs 2 goons 1 encryptor game?

I don't know. I didn't make this set up. All I know is that Vork is scum.

Yes but my point is
Why would you believe Skitter is scum when you know that setup spec is insanity?

[nomnomnom]

I would also like to point out that I believe this setup is actually 100% impossible because the moment you investigate Teacher this would be follow the cop and scums would have no way of fighting back against that.

So if your claim is true, then skitter is conftown.

[nomnomnom]

Wait

Who mentioned strongman being possible in this game again

[nomnomnom]

ok fine but why are you worried about my Skitter read when we aren't even voting Skitter today?

Because that indicates what mindset you have.
The fact you haven't realized this impossibility is actually VERY scummy.

[nomnomnom]

Yeah, I was saying I would have shot her night 1, not night 2

Teacher should have been on Shoshin night 1 which is why her death is weird. Teacher is a strong player but I'm surprised he gambited going off Shoshin frankly. That or scum had like a 1-shot strongman or something.

Hmmmm

[nomnomnom]

@Creature PK

Please claim immediatly and wake up

[nomnomnom]

it's possible one of these two is zipping shut and watching this unravel.

[nomnomnom]

Is there any way I can die this game?

You can get lynched tomorrow.

I assume you're claiming VT, but claim anyway.

[nomnomnom]

I'm also leaning on Nero being scum right now.

[nomnomnom]

Why do you think his partner is PK?

[nomnomnom]

Is there any way I can die this game?

You can get lynched tomorrow.

I mean: by game not immediatelly ending in a scum win upon my death.

If a townie gets lynched town loses, if that's what you were asking.

[nomnomnom]

The fact you haven't realized this impossibility is actually VERY scummy.

I don't think its actually impossible a super-powerful town vs. a fairly weak scum team whose strength is a nk and day talk.

Also, what has our prs gotten us?

A dead doctor
a "went nowhere" result on vork
and a Buj "doesn't have a gun"
a skitter and salad are vanilla and Vork is guilty

we don't have alot to show and you're outguessing the mod which is never smart.

Dude.

There is literally a follow the cop built in the setup. If your claim is real, if at ANY POINT IN THE GAME, you decide to check Teacher, scums are forever screwed.

If you do that then me and Dunn can also claim we are invests and this is the easiest town victory ever.

This is just not possible without scum powers.

[nomnomnom]

Maybe we should nolynch and have Nero confirm pisskop's miller claim?

Are we really going to wait 2 days for another phase just for this?

[nomnomnom]

Plus I don't know how it confirms much, if they're scum together they can just coordinate and that's it.