Why does town do so badly with the White Flag mechanic?

[RadiantCowbells]

I think it's not the white flag

Its mountainous plus generally it's easy to sweep as wolf anyway

[RadiantCowbells]

i think white flag is batshit scumsided

gray flag i'm surprised town hasn't won yet but i look at the playerlists of the most recent 2 at least and i'm not surprised scum won.

[RadiantCowbells]

honestly i think the opposite. especially in a setup like white flag where scum have to protect each other to some extent. you can associative hunt very very effectively.

[RadiantCowbells]

people who say pre-flip associative hunting is bad are the same kind of people who usually struggle and lose when the scumteam doens't bus.

[RadiantCowbells]

i think 20 is probably wrong and that it's more because the games are mountainous and still allow scum to remove town's best player(s)

grey flag could legitimately have been lost for town if they had ignored my scumread on buj after I died.

[RadiantCowbells]

i think the problem is moreso scum distancing very poorly when not intending to lynch their partner rather than scum bussing in situations they shouldn't

[RadiantCowbells]

need to bus smart. conventional thinking on when to bus is almost exactly wrong.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think people should start understanding that nightless games should ACTUALLY be nightless and people should stop taking the ability to kill as opposed to mislynch or fool strong townies for granted.

[RadiantCowbells]

Scum should learn to do that.

[RadiantCowbells]

I wanna write a guide to town not scum

[RadiantCowbells]

I think most of the advice that comes to mind for scum play is not useful for the vast majority of players

[RadiantCowbells]

The first thing you want to learn to do is not get lynched without being forced as scum and learning that is a very individual journey learning what your tells are and what gets you lynched as both alignments and I can't help with that.

My advice would be more useful for people who are already very accomplished as scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

I enjoy scumhunting on D1 and find the game gets a lot less fun after D1 in non-nightless games as either alignment.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think it's a few things

1) People generally don't start scumreading me for no reason until after day 1 and it's nice to be able to comfortably play town leader. Generally when I'm kept alive past D1 it's because I'm at least somewhat viably a mislynch

2) It's a lot more fun and a lot more rewarding to put scum teams together before any of them have flipped as opposed to after.

3) idk if I'm phrasing this right, but I feel like on later days people generally have a lot of preconceptions about the gamestate whereas on D1 everything is up in the air and it's a lot easier to convince people they're wrong, or lead on scum who are playing well.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also people falling into autopilot mode is fucking obnoxious imo and it's nice to not have to deal with that.

[RadiantCowbells]

But like

Playing 14 day games for all 14 days is awesome

[RadiantCowbells]

The issue with geriatric games isn't the ruleset it's that there's always several townies who don't put any real effort in and the game becomes no contest for scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

The ones I've read universally had slots no efforting.

[RadiantCowbells]

This is not the same as saying a geriatric game with a good playerlists wouldn't be a good game.

[RadiantCowbells]

Need to play with the right lists

[RadiantCowbells]

Pls no plurality lynch

[RadiantCowbells]

Need to play with the right lists

Putting the "legendary" players to all play together tend to be scumsided though. Probably needs a mix of them and more casual players.

Would say the exact opposite.
Most legendary players are notorious for town not scum.

There's insanely few players who are really good at both alignments.

[RadiantCowbells]

I haven't played a single game where every slot has actually tried.

To be honest, those tend to not be very fun games and tensions run high. Look at any scummies invitational.
You do need a mix of hardcore and casual players

Not necessarily hardcore vs casual

You need townies who aren't going to individually try to carry the game.

[RadiantCowbells]

Actually I swear at some point they made an exception for activity

[RadiantCowbells]

Maybe I was wrong.

[RadiantCowbells]

it is detrimental to the game's atmosphere to demand others replace out, particularly if it's not on the basis of activity but rather player expectations of how a player should play the game

It does leave some leeway around for inactivity though

[RadiantCowbells]

Can we talk about how both scum replaced out of grey flag while scum were at L1

Or how half the town replaced out of FOTM because they were gonna lose

Why does this keep happening