Micro 878: Chain of Command [Game Over]
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I agree, captain actions are town motivated.
The captain is gonna put the doc on himself, 100% of the time now. If the captain (conftown), is killed, you are roped.
If scum want to start killing conftown, they have to kill you. This isn't a great scenario for you, but provides some good insights and clears your slot and reads at the same time. I mean, if you are a town doc ur gonna eat lead sooner or later, right? Very surprised you didn't die N1, so that's why this needs to happen.
If both of you survive, you don't die tomorrow. The process of protecting the captain is repeated, either forcing scum hand or clearing the both of you.
I'm not a very strong mechanical player, but this seems like a good move.
And while this is happening, the captain has free choice to use the JK as he pleases, possibly catching scum.Rawr!
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That's the beauty of putting it out here. If we can have the captain confirm doc on me, and JK on him, I'll eat rope if the captain diesIn post 1576, Liz Jack and Kenneth wrote:
You're being daft, or you don't understand nuance.In post 1559, RedPanda wrote:Blake can only be wrong about persi blake can never be wrong about nancy that's the double standard. I am town, so your whole case is just dumb to me.
Townreads on different people can have qualitative differences.
Townreads for certain reasons can carry moreweightthan others.
Not every townread is interchangeable in the overall course of the gamestate.
If I have a 100% BoP on you, then my townread on you isvery likely accurate.It wouldn't equally interchange with a townread on someone because I think they're making towny posts.
Saying these townreads are not equal is NOT a double standard.
What do you mean, "one more chance"? I'm offering mechanical solves. You're being dismissive when I offer pointers to scum in the universe where you're town, because it conflicts with your own reads. What do you expect?
Lol @ Icon's push. I wasn't going to suggest strategy but the most probable captain order would be Aubrey on Icon, and Icon on Datisi (the inverse doesn't work, think about it). What prevents scum!Icon from disobeying and killing Datisi?Iconeum wrote:The captain is gonna put the doc on himself, 100% of the time now. If the captain (conftown), is killed, you are roped.
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If I die, Aubrey eats rope.
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Confirmation on the slot, for one.In post 1584, Liz Jack and Kenneth wrote:
So, guarantee an Aubrey nightkill if she's town - what do we gain from that?In post 1582, Iconeum wrote:That's the beauty of putting it out here. If we can have the captain confirm doc on me, and JK on him, I'll eat rope if the captain dies
If I die, Aubrey eats rope.
If we all live, rinse and repeat tomorrow
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Forcing scum to go there instead of trying to get us to mislynch.
It reduces the amount of WIFOM town has right now.
It narrows the scumpool tomorrow.
I see plenty of benefitsRawr!
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The scumpool doesn't narrow with any NK. The playerpool does. Scum when left with a choice aren't gonna kill in the lynchpool. Aubrey is definitely in the lynchpool because it's a claimed doc and it's alive. If Aubrey dies that narrows the lynchpool, which is a better result then a conftown dying.In post 1590, Liz Jack and Kenneth wrote:
The scumpool narrows withIn post 1588, Iconeum wrote:Forcing scum to go there instead of trying to get us to mislynch.
It reduces the amount of WIFOM town has right now.
It narrows the scumpool tomorrow.anynightkill (or lack of) anyway. NK confirmation happens to any slot.
"Forcing scum to go there" I read it as "Guarantee that they have a nightkill go through".
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Oh I agree. I believe Blake was killed for his potential dayplay. And he was being strongly townread. Yet scum were comfortable killing there, with a claimed doc out there.In post 1593, Liz Jack and Kenneth wrote:
I can think of a lot of reasons.In post 1589, Iconeum wrote:Kenneth, are you comfortable with scum not killing of a doc when they have the chance? Why didn't they?
> Kept them alive for a paranoia mislynch
> Aubrey was townreading them
> Blake, a potential powerful town leader, was scumreading them
You do realize a NK can be because of dayplay and not because of purely mechanical reasons, right?
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Voted is a townlean, Saudude is I don't know. I thought scum, Panda brings up some good points. So put him in the middle as well.Rawr!
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Datisi for night play and the way he came forth and explained it. Zero scum motivation for doing that. His motives had town value.
I've been townreading Persivul from the start, and only got annoyed with him when he replaced out. Panda has been actively sorting and considering. I believe scum would come in with stronger opinions and an agenda, which I'm not seeing.Rawr!
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If you flip town and Aubrey's NK'd, then I've played horribly and I was wrong.
I haven't looked into what I would do then. Investigate my middle reads of Saudude and Voted. Relook Panda. I don't have a solve right now for that scenario.Rawr!
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You dying would actually give town credit to LJK slot... so not lynching them might be the better option.In post 1642, RedPanda wrote:actually wait no I'm confusing myself. If I die tonight captain still has two protects.
In post 1643, RedPanda wrote:So Icon was not leading me into a trap which means he's still playing like town jk
Scum can't win by killing the command structure. That assumes the command structure is all town. If that's true, then they need:In post 1648, RedPanda wrote:
We will still get two lynches though. They cannot kill daitisi because he will have two protects on him.In post 1647, Liz Jack and Kenneth wrote:
We die, then you and pow, two of the command structure are dead. Secondary scum win condition only depends on killing CoC, not PRS, so you dying furthers scum wincon.In post 1642, RedPanda wrote:actually wait no I'm confusing myself. If I die tonight captain still has two protects.
-a NK on Panda first
-then a NK on the doc
-then a NK on the JK
-then a NK on the captain
-then a NK on the lt
Even if we lynch LJK slot, and they are town, it takes 4 NK's for scum to win like this. They didn't set up a win like this with their N1 NK.
As long as the captain sticks to the plan of a doc on me, and JK's himself, we are fine.
Worst case scenario is that either doc or JK is scum, but then they auto-out themselves and we have a free scumlynch.
In any case, the doc goes on me and JK on captain.Rawr!
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I don't feel town AtE. I feel and see deliberate, calculated moves to sway you. Just like with me.In post 1709, RedPanda wrote:Icon what's your read on nancy interaction with me?
But for what little I think I have played with Nancy, that's how it plays so it's actually NAI for me.Rawr!
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what in the world... Didn't I buss hard enough?In post 1841, Saudade wrote:VOTE: ico little peasant you should have known better unlike the other lil peasants who never played with meRawr!
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ur lucky you are still in this gameIn post 1844, Saudade wrote:YoU aRe LuCkY I dIDnT mIsHaMmeR YoURawr!
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This comes from LJK buddy? Seriously?In post 1708, Iconeum wrote:Fair enough, and I mostly agree with your reads
LJK should be the lynch today, not SaududeRawr!
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can someone explain how i'm scum from their pov here?
I'm the one who pushed towards the LJK lynch when I could have had it on Saudude ...Rawr!
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PoE.In post 1852, RedPanda wrote:Icon why do u want to lynch voted?Rawr!
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Voted -
Iconeum - town
Persivul (Panda) - Could have gone to Saudude lynch, but worked with me to get LJK lynched AFTER I PUSHED HIM THERE. So Town.
Datisi - Apparently captain decided to NOT follow the plan, and not protect me (the JK). And I'm still alive. So town.
Saudade - pushing LJK all game long, most likely not a bus. Town
Aubrey - Doc, was working with panda and myself to solve the game at EoD. Town.
I don't think it can be anything else then Voted.
I'll work on their intertwined ISO's in the coming hours.Rawr!
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I don't agree with this, but it's from a mechanical PoV i'll explain my thoughts and you can just agree ur crush my thoughtsIn post 1862, RedPanda wrote:I'm having a hard time seeing a vanilla+LJK team but voted was my scumread when I replaced in so I'm not ruling it out.
Fmpov Datisi and Saud cannot be scum. datisi because of his actions night1 and 2 and saud interactions with LJK.
A no kill with a town jk is scary as fuck as last scum alive.
Datisi and saud if you agree to us three as townblock we can autowin with this.
lynch voted
Jk aubrey
lynch aubrey
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There's a no kill. Scum are not no killing on purpose, I assume.
I JK'd Datisi. Datisi is auto-clear.
Aubrey doc'd RP, which is a deviation from the plan so scum didn't know. SCUM DIDN'T KNOW. They had no reason to assume the SOLID plan wasn't going to be in place. THEY DIDN'T KNOW.
If Aubrey is scum, then there would have been a kill. Aubrey is cleared town imo. So is Redpanda.
If Voted isn't scum, then Saudude is.Rawr!
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The NK was directed at RP, that should be obvious right?
I actually understand I'm in the pool from your perspective because of this. Huh.Rawr!
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Datisi, I know. I came to that conclusion hereIn post 1868, Iconeum wrote:The NK was directed at RP, that should be obvious right?I actually understand I'm in the pool from your perspective because of this. Huh.Rawr!
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Still, night actions are a thing if Voted is town.
Scum can only work around 2 protectives for so long until they run into troubleRawr!
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You deviated from the plan, and there's a no kill. I don't think that's coincidence.
RP was a legit NK target, and I believe the doc stopped the kill.
Scum wouldn't have purposefully deviated from the plan to get a No Kill during night I believe.Rawr!
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Why are you voting me?In post 1877, Saudade wrote:Speaking from experience Ico babe?Rawr!
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I think I pushed LJK hard enough to at least get SOME town credit for it.
Voted is next in the pool. Should be obvious. If saudude wants to talk about why he thinks i'm the next lynch, i'm here.Rawr!
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A quick ISO of myself to show how hard I pushed towards LJK lynch over anyone else.
If you think I bussed, then kill me. Simple as thatSpoiler:Rawr!
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From my PoE and night actions these are all town:
Datisi
Aubrey
RP
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Saudude - because of his focus on flipped scum
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If anyone wants to discuss this, have at it. If you truly think I bussed like that, lynch me. Kill Voted tomorrow.Rawr!
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Voted's ISO is difficult to make sense of.
Pushing LJK, not following up on it. Continuesly pushes a scumteam of Icon/Datisi.
--> Locktowned B&W, so has incentive to kill them during night.
Fake hammered LJK, continued to push Icon/Datisi.
Came to a point where Voted wouldn't lynch outside of (Iconeum).
Then switches to Saudude.
Voted is all over the place. It would make sense if they are LJK buddy through ISO reading. This should be the lynch today.
Saudude if you help lynch Voted today, I will awknowledge (publicly) how good of a player you really are.Rawr!
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I don't like to play this game though.In post 1887, Datisi wrote:In any case, another thought came to me. Voted wasn't online since before the end of Day 2. Unless he was online as hidden, maybe there's no nightkill simply because nobody was there to give it?
I'd much rather talk about why Voted should be the next lynch, why Voted is scum, why I'm NOT scumRawr!
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In post 1910, Saudade wrote:Stop it hes not even here to defend himself
here's an ideaIn post 1911, Saudade wrote:Rushing this lynch is scum motivated to the infinite power factorial
why don't you defend Voted? Why am I more scummy then Voted?
If you wanna keep your perfect record, I suggest reconsidering your readRawr!
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i wonder why that's the case...In post 1921, Saudade wrote:Tbh this is one boring game
could it have to do with some of the players not here/refusing to play?Rawr!
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Scum just got lynched, a lot of night stuff happened. Someone's on L-1. We need to decide our PoE and lynchpool.
We are playing this game.
If you can't be arsed to participate, don't you flippin dare call this game boring because it's mostly because of you that this is the gamestateRawr!
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Get off your ass and start working with town for a win here, instead of lurking and prod dodging, calling this game boringIn post 1921, Saudade wrote:Tbh this is one boring gameRawr!
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Saudude and Voted are all that's left in my lynchpool right now, Voted on top. I have strong townreads in the rest of you lolRawr!
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Now this is anti-townIn post 1931, Datisi wrote:We need to agree on a solid 100%-scumproof plan so i can throw it in the trash and do the exact opposite again.Kinda want to believe the is an optimal strategy here somewhere, but i don't see it yet
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Keep it simple
Assume we lynch Voted, and flips town. You have a doc and JK available. You want to doc protect whoever you feel has the highest chance of having bullet in the head syndrome. You wanna JK whoever you think is the last scum.
If I was captain, I'd doc either myself or RP again. JK goes onto Saudude.Rawr!
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