Open 762: CK9++ [Over!]

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niice

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WHILE THE DEATH OF OUR MAYOR IS A GREAT PITY.
IT IS GOOD THAT WE AT LEAST HAVE A TRUSTWORTHY VOICE AMONG US WHILE WE START TO CUT EACH OTHERS THROATS.

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:33 < *gamma apologizes to jackal for the tough to read color and just wants you to know this won't purrsist for much longer*

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phil is basically guaranteed to either be scum or towntell very hard very quickly when put under pressure so let's go friends

What Meta Gives You Such An Impression

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J4M3S BR4F1N, HOW DO3S ON3 FORM 4 FOUND4T1ON W1THOUT RVS? TH3 G4M3 ST4RTS W1TH L1TTL3 TO NO 1NFORM4T1ON SO YOU PR4CT1C4ALLY H4V3 TO ST4RT FROM NOTH1NG. 4LTHOUGH 1N TH1S G4M3 W3 H4V3 4N 1C R3V34L TO WORK W1TH >:]

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Okay I'm done trolling. Btw I realize that might be a pain in the ass to read so if anyone is having trouble I'll post a translation to normie talk.
Also @Sakura uhhhhh you voted me at the start and just now remember who I am, what?

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phil is basically guaranteed to either be scum or towntell very hard very quickly when put under pressure so let's go friends

What Meta Gives You Such An Impression

None?

For me, it’s somewhere in the north, where you get decent snow. Nebraska, maybe?

This is *remarkably* unspecific.

Well then -_-

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Also @Sakura uhhhhh you voted me at the start and just now remember who I am, what?

No i've always known who you were i just forgot to say hi :3

Well thanks ^-^

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@James (J4M3S) I responded to your post about RVS not working and would like you to reply.

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Not my fault you cramped my style lol

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(But dw I'm done with that now)

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@James (J4M3S) I responded to your post about RVS not working and would like you to reply.

You mean this?

J4M3S BR4F1N, HOW DO3S ON3 FORM 4 FOUND4T1ON W1THOUT RVS? TH3 G4M3 ST4RTS W1TH L1TTL3 TO NO 1NFORM4T1ON SO YOU PR4CT1C4ALLY H4V3 TO ST4RT FROM NOTH1NG. 4LTHOUGH 1N TH1S G4M3 W3 H4V3 4N 1C R3V34L TO WORK W1TH >:]

Alternatively, it’s hard to fake answering a question, and assuming everyone participates, it should tell you a little about playstyle, even if the question has no bearing on the game. For example, both you and Gamma are heavily reliant on RVS, and you use your votes as pressure to attempt to form reads. All of this due to the fact that my refusal to participate in RVS actually created more dialogue than your RVS did, far quicker and more naturally, which should be somewhat indicative of how flawed the system actually is. We learn far more from not doing it than doing it.

Consider this an answer.

Ah. Thanks for pointing it out, and I guess I can approve of your method but I'm curious, what is your desired replacement for RVS? I'd guess RQS rn based on you kinda doing it here.

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I actually really strongly dislike Skellen's two posts so far. It reads like scum who opened the thread, saw James's question and said "oh sure, I can answer that", then continued reading the thread looking for something to respond to, saw my post with my random-ass townreads, and went "oh sure, I can give a response to this."

Push that and I'll fight you to the end.

Interesting, why

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I actually really strongly dislike Skellen's two posts so far. It reads like scum who opened the thread, saw James's question and said "oh sure, I can answer that", then continued reading the thread looking for something to respond to, saw my post with my random-ass townreads, and went "oh sure, I can give a response to this."

Push that and I'll fight you to the end.

Interesting, why

Because skellen's the fucking IC.

Okay I'm fucking stupid.

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Hello Chemist; thoughts on the game rn?

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Sweet

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James you know me, you should know fluff posting is NAI for me.
Also what about Chemist pings you?

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Ok
I would honestly like to go live in the Portland, Oregon area, and that's based on personal experience. The weather is excellent, not super hot like South Carolina/Georgia/Florida, but also not too cold in winter, with very little snow. Plus Portland is a fabulous city. Did you know there's a bookstore there that takes up an entire city block?
/rant

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Grass is always greener eh

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So Phillammom, you seem odd... your ISO isnt the best

Anyone else you find odd?

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I actually really strongly dislike Skellen's two posts so far. It reads like scum who opened the thread, saw James's question and said "oh sure, I can answer that", then continued reading the thread looking for something to respond to, saw my post with my random-ass townreads, and went "oh sure, I can give a response to this."

Push that and I'll fight you to the end.

Interesting, why

Because skellen's the fucking IC.

Okay I'm fucking stupid.

Wtf is this from Persivul?

I missed the IC reveal at the beginning of the game, no offense to mod but it wasn't blatantly obvious. Your reaction to someone, who clearly didn't see the reveal, was way way too aggressive instead of just 'Hey dude, you know he is mod confirmed IC right?'

But I did see it, my second post acknowledged it
I just didn't pay attention the the "who"

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You say it's a reaction to someone who didn't see the reveal
But I feel like I'm getting pedantic here so w/e

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Understood.

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Why thespio though

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Why thespio though

did you *see* post 151???

I don't see why that post alone is enough for a scumread of the confidence you seem to be promoting, unless I have your confidence level wrong.

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The content of 151 isn't the problem, it's the tone, the phrasing and above all the *aggressive* tepidness.

I can see how that might look tepid tbh, it's kinda afraid to stick its neck out

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VOTE: Thespio
I'll see where this goes

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Implosion, I get the feeling that that's not an indicator of any alignment, is all, and is just how James functions.


...which can be said for nearly everything they have said this game.

Did he say it was AI?

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Okay I'm done trolling.

Why did you troll at all? I don't recall seeing that from you. Is it something you've done before? If not...why now?

It was a pun.

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Can't say I'm familiar with Gamma's meta, no.

I get the feeling that Gamma is intentionally experimenting with new playstyles.

While I do thus sometimes, I always announce if I'm taking a significantly different approach to the game.

Btw thinking Percy is town and Phil is scum
VOTE: Philammon

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Why must it come from a scum mindset?

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Didn't say it did. I'm asking a question. Is there any way that it comes from a town mindset? How is this a town-aligned way to approach the game?

I don't understand why evidence has to be presented to indicate such things. Right now if you want to call that approach scummy then the burden if proof is on you. Because Drew is right: if you want to assert it isn't a town mindset you must assert it is a scum mindset, there is no other option.

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Can anyone actually articulate what is wrong with 151

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Meh could be coincidental

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I feel like it's just poor timing and a genuine read, not sure it is actually a problem

This post is scummy, is following along with a popular sentiment mindlessly like a #metoo post

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Explain more pls

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implosion wagon doesn't look possible today so

This is a very odd line after Dry-fit has put together all of the effort of describing a naked vote as more likely to come from scum as a means of pushing me.

Voting without pushing and then acting defeatist when no one is scumreading your primary scumread and then joining your primary scumread's wagon that that scumread (me) built with his own sweat and tears seems not very town-minded.

I like this point on dry-fit

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Okay I'm done trolling. Btw I realize that might be a pain in the ass to read so if anyone is having trouble I'll post a translation to normie talk.
Also @Sakura uhhhhh you voted me at the start and just now remember who I am, what?

I figured this was what you were doing, but why? Shits and giggles?

I have never seen you play this way.

Mass confusion, essentially.

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I actually really strongly dislike Skellen's two posts so far. It reads like scum who opened the thread, saw James's question and said "oh sure, I can answer that", then continued reading the thread looking for something to respond to, saw my post with my random-ass townreads, and went "oh sure, I can give a response to this."

Push that and I'll fight you to the end.

Interesting, why

Because skellen's the fucking IC.

This you could have drug out a bit. I would have just said that if you couldnt see how skell was obvtown then you should case him and then let people hang themselves. It can backfire too, jingle cased himself once in a game and called his pred scum, he wasnt. We won the game, nbd.

This is town

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James you know me, you should know fluff posting is NAI for me.
Also what about Chemist pings you?

I know you and feel like you got angry at us when we posted a song lyric you didnt get and threw a fit.

I dont know you to troll and fluff post at all. Should I be concerned?

You should be concerned that you haven't played with the fun side of me yet d'_'b

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So Phillammom, you seem odd... your ISO isnt the best

Anyone else you find odd?

Why does him asking about Phil bring you out of shit posting and playing the game all of a sudden?

The fact he singled out Phil piqued my interest

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smol explanation for Ffish being town
He's posting things I think have already been said but adding to them in helpful ways

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You think?

I don't care to fact check myself so I'm expressing lack of certainty

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Great

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Imp always seems to be the catalyst to a wagon seeming like it has more steam than it really does, always comes swooping in like 3rd or 4th on a wagon right after the 2nd or 3rd person voted.

Hm, interesting, do you think this makes implosion look scummy?

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Okay I'm done trolling. Btw I realize that might be a pain in the ass to read so if anyone is having trouble I'll post a translation to normie talk.
Also @Sakura uhhhhh you voted me at the start and just now remember who I am, what?

I figured this was what you were doing, but why? Shits and giggles?

I have never seen you play this way.

Mass confusion, essentially.

But why? I dont think ive seen you play as scum (I legit dont remember) so all I have is a town mindset for you and this hasnt been it so far. You said you were doing it to do it, but town you has never done that. Town you got mad at us for the eagles reference. Town you in that game would have gotten mad at you posting in this game, but you seem cool with it here, which bothers me.

I mistook the eagles posting for something game relevant or some slight against me which is why I was rustled by it

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As for why the entrance, because I wanted to throw people off, see if anyone responded to part of it interestingly. Don't recall any of that happening but I could check

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So Phillammom, you seem odd... your ISO isnt the best

Anyone else you find odd?

Why does him asking about Phil bring you out of shit posting and playing the game all of a sudden?

The fact he singled out Phil piqued my interest

Why? Was your interest satiated?

I don't think he ever really responded so no

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Yeah that' fine, what's your experience with me? I remember Hall of Mirrors and Booneytoonz VIII and that's it off the top of my head

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I'll check

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I had one game where I was scum and you were in it, and it was the first game we played together (Open 661)

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I had one game where I was scum and you were in it, and it was the first game we played together (Open 661)

I was a VT in that game, was killed night 2 and town won.

Y'all would've lost had I got my wish n1

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Also, now that THAT catchup is over:
So the Fish is prob town here. I don’t think scum has that level of faked scumhunting, posted thought process, and detail.
That being said, you do realize Thespio has never, as far as I’m aware, returned to his comments on the players he votes? He says that they look bad, votes them, and never actually explains why they look bad. Just because he agrees with you that Phil doesn’t look good doesn’t make him town. While you have, IMO, legit reasons, Thes was highly opportunistic in his voting.

Thespio hasn't voted yet actually

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If you think that town misses info like that, and it's NAI, why did you go at the people who missed the info so hard?

I didn't go at them hard. No push, no votes based on it. Didn't let it go on, as you noted yourself. So. why do you portray me as going after them hard? The single word "fucking"?

And I'm not getting the slang at the end of your post there. It's that a nod to me living in Pittsburgh?

Yes. Should be obvious to anyone who's lived in Pittsburgh for more than a month or so.

I should tell everyone i was raised in an actually decent state not here.

I'll have to check state mottoes for the

I have a stick up my ass

state. Pretty sure that's where you're from.

I mean partly, also because you got involved at all. I never understand why town gets involved in things like that. Last game I played one player did a fakehammer gambit, and another player stepped in the middle of it and fucked it up. They both ended up being town, but that act led me to scumread the guy breaking it up. He couldnt give a good reason for getting involved and thats an issue for me.

Ive lived in Pittsburgh for 6 years and what you said is not recognizable to any of the tribes as native slang. Were you trying to go for an n'at? That was close, but maybe your Yinzer slang proficiency is lacking, along with some other qualities you are clearly exhibiting a deficiency in.

Sounds like we might be from the same homestate if you think i have a stick up my ass. You have been the one intentionally trying to rile people up. To what end? Whats your goal? Make on of us angry and hope that we say something scummy enough for you to latch onto and you can easily slip into a tunnel that isnt going to go anywhere but allow you to act busy cause you are so focused on that one person everyone else has as townish, but you, you know youve found a deep wolf...

Try being less of a dick.

Y'all are fun to watch, but keep it civil, I don't want this shit

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fakeable ≠ definitely faked
fakeable ≠ probably faked
fakeable ≠ definitely fakeable by everyone
jesus fucking christ this is not complicated. It feels like you're trying to willfully misconstrue my sentiment.

While they don't equate it sure is a gap in logic, that would mean you have q certain expectation of Ffish's play, what is that?

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see, I like elaborating reasons I might be wrong. Doing so will let me bounce ideas off of actual helpful players like elastic plastic and come to better conclusions. I like to work together with people, and being transparent about my thought process is a great way to do that.

I'm sorry you don't like my playstyle; you're welcome to keep using your own!

This post feels a little towny

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The train I was talking about was the one where we could work together. If we dont have common ground then thats an issue for me and needs to be addressed.

I dont know if you want me to actually say you are scum, like say those exact words, but I did sort you into 2nd from last in a game of 13, so you could infer that I think you are scum, or I could say it, which I feel like I did, when I offered to have you help us lynch yourself.

this whole argument is completely moot afaic

Btw what is your defense of your voting patterns

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Hana, I need you to explain your vote history to me.

You were on phil, and then when thes said he thought phil was suspect you voted thes.

Then Dry voted for thes, and you voted for dry.

It seems like you are scumreading the people who are scumreading the people you are currently voting and you keep changing your vote to the person who most recently voted or sr the person youre on.

Why?

My reads are pretty flickle on day 1.
I felt Phil was scummy, but after implosion explained dry i felt like that was scummier so i voted dry, but now i didnt like the implo post i linked so there's a 180 there.

Sorry if im bad at explaining orz

Tbh I think this is how town would frequently move a vote, based on my own having done it in a past game

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Hana, I need you to explain your vote history to me.

You were on phil, and then when thes said he thought phil was suspect you voted thes.

Then Dry voted for thes, and you voted for dry.

It seems like you are scumreading the people who are scumreading the people you are currently voting and you keep changing your vote to the person who most recently voted or sr the person youre on.

Why?

My reads are pretty flickle on day 1.
I felt Phil was scummy, but after implosion explained dry i felt like that was scummier so i voted dry, but now i didnt like the implo post i linked so there's a 180 there.

Sorry if im bad at explaining orz

Do you feel like you are on an island?

What does this mean?

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Also, now that THAT catchup is over:
So the Fish is prob town here. I don’t think scum has that level of faked scumhunting, posted thought process, and detail.
That being said, you do realize Thespio has never, as far as I’m aware, returned to his comments on the players he votes? He says that they look bad, votes them, and never actually explains why they look bad. Just because he agrees with you that Phil doesn’t look good doesn’t make him town. While you have, IMO, legit reasons, Thes was highly opportunistic in his voting.

Thespio hasn't voted yet actually

I could have sworn he voted Phil.
Looking at the VC, that’s obviously not the case. But the point still stands. Thespio is playing a very opportunistic game that has consisted of lurking, shading, and no basis.

I think I agree with this assessment of Thespio

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Ah. Whoops.

After this enormous thread-battle, implosion, Phil, Pers and FF are feeling town to me.

Who is your scumpool rn?

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This is another great example of why I described your logic as disjointed and find it really hard to work with - how the fuck am I supposed to talk to you about townreading someone for reasons that defy causality?????? Why does someone get credit for voting for me for things that I would *eventually* go on to do?

But the thing is...
I feel like Fish's been asking implo about his townread of phil for a while, specially the tr early in the game, and then implo comes and quotes a late post saying "See this is why he's town" instead of actually explaining the early townread, which feels to me like he's dodging the issue.

These posts interest me, I'm with Sakura about the Phil read but I'm curious about this "read that defies causality"?

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I understand Implo's voting now and it works in about the same sense Sakura's does so I'm feeling better on Implo

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VOTE: Thespio
I really feel like he is not contributing when he should be

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These posts interest me, I'm with Sakura about the Phil read but I'm curious about this "read that defies causality"?

568, the section responding to post 113, saying about a vote on me:

I liked this vote because you are eventaully going to vote for 6 different people in 40 posts and I dont think you back up any of them with even a joke reason.

Saying that he likes a vote because of things that were done after that vote.

Tbh people make the "my vote is now serious" line a lot so I don't see the problem with the vote that defies causality

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I don’t think anyone is advocating to lynch formerfish?

Like I said, probably you.

EBWOP: who is going to get lynched out of the two of you.
However, I’m feeling you more strongly as town than FF, for sure.

Why

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I have played mafia on a site called smash boards but that was a long time ago in a galaxy far far away

Oh gosh some of my favorite players are from there iirc
Do you know Ranmaru or marshy?

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Would you like me to post a read list

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Percy = Persivul

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Would you like me to post a read list

Please, if everyone could I would like to see if what I have matches what is said.

Also, Gamma, who is Percy? I assume it was an autocorrect, but cant figure out for who.

Btw like 80% of my reads are via ISOing for the list so they'll probably be different than what I've said before, but I'm perfectly willing to answer any questions on my reads

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Read list, no ordering within the tiers

Town: Ffish, Spangled, Chemist, Turkey (what I'm calling Gobbledygook), Phil, Percy
Null: Sakura, SkyG
Scum: Thespio, Implo, Dr. Drew, James

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Okay, that isn't phrased as a question, so do you want to know why?

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but I'm perfectly willing to answer any questions on my reads

Sorry, I thought I had more of an implication than i did.

Fair enough
Phil has been asking questions and being pro-active so I think they're town. James just lacks follow-up which seems scummy to me.

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but I'm perfectly willing to answer any questions on my reads

Sorry, I thought I had more of an implication than i did.

Fair enough
Phil has been asking questions and being pro-active so I think they're town. James just lacks follow-up which seems scummy to me.

Why is your vote on Thes over Imp, Drew and JB?

Thesp just feels too off to keep around, but I wouldn't object to Drew and JB today. Implosion is actively contributing so I don't want him lynched today.

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>Too off to keep around?

Like JB and Drew are people I feel like could change my mind effectively. Thespio right now, is not.

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More importantly why do you townread Phil, chemist, Gob?
Why do you scumread James?

Already talked about Phil and James
Turkey I TRed because it feels like my scumreads have it out for him/his predecessor Dry-Fit. Chemist I just feel like has good points

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Btw I don't think I have ever had the most posts in a game despite being a bit spammy

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Sakura why can't you see Chemist as town?

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Sakura why can't you see Chemist as town?

I have him more in my nulls, what are you seeing that is so town?

I'd like Sakura to answer my question first

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If you can't answer that fine, but tell me specific posts that strike you as scummy

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I don't feel like 126 is scummy at all. I also don't think Chemist's concern about wagon fluidity is scummy, especially since with Implo as scum the wagon fluidity is probably scum motivated.

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I know we don't know but we both think Implo is scum and Ffish pointed out how Implo has been voting wildly so Chemist should be making a valid point

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Thespio?

Sorry been on mobile, hard to track two games at the same time!

Then your phone is shitty

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Ok. I’m not liking Gamma here, specifically for #744, but also for very weak reasoning for some of his reads. Scum can make good points, just like town can. And the amount of time you have to play is completely NAI. Like I said, I’d be posting more but I’ve been super busy and not had much computer access.

I didn't mention "time to play" at all, I said you lacked follow up to things you've done. Are you ever going to go back over your RQS?

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Wdym

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Some things are just what they are and there's no ulterior motive to what's said.

I wasn't thinking there was

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So Drew thinks Gob and Thesp is SvS
and Gob thinks Drew and Thesp is SvS

Yet you both are voting each other.

What do you make of it?

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@Gamma
OH
I misunderstood then. There is a spreadsheet with the information in it, but effectively I’m doing a study on RQS. The information may or may not prove valuable after my next question.

Okay, it's a multi game thing, would've liked to have that be more clear earlier. I still feel beyond that you do lack follow up in general, so what I'd suggest you do is just go through your ISO and see what questions are unanswered or have been answered but not resolved
FYI you're in my null pile now

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Speaking of next questions:
@All: Do you think tunneling is effective as town or scum, and why/why not?

Also, I’m with Drew on this one. Gobble/Thes could be a real thing. I’m leaning more chainsaw than white knight here.

Tunneling is probably more effective at face value as scum, but town can probably use it to get reactions

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Thespio?

Sorry been on mobile, hard to track two games at the same time!

Then your phone is shitty

What are you trying to achieve with this post?
Seriously, what is the point of this?

I'm able to play several games while doing it mobile only, so I'm essentially saying he's full of shit

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865 is a really townie post

^
This guy gets it.

How

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I was actually referring to both posts not just that one.

Ah

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@Gamma
OH
I misunderstood then. There is a spreadsheet with the information in it, but effectively I’m doing a study on RQS. The information may or may not prove valuable after my next question.

Okay, it's a multi game thing, would've liked to have that be more clear earlier. I still feel beyond that you do lack follow up in general, so what I'd suggest you do is just go through your ISO and see what questions are unanswered or have been answered but not resolved
FYI you're in my null pile now

Why is James null?

@Gamma

Because I was thinking he wasn't following through on anything which made him feel scummy but he seemed to respond to the pressure from me decently and he explained the RQS thing

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Because I was thinking he wasn't following through on anything which made him feel scummy but he seemed to respond to the pressure from me decently and he explained the RQS thing

He did all of those things and now he is just null?

I'm still awaiting his response to my suggestion to follow through on some things

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Fyi massclaim is good at Lylo-1

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Duskpost

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Do iiiiit

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I was talking to turkey

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VOTE: Fish

Why

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VOTE: Fish

Why

Secret reasons maybe?

Okay
VOTE: Fish

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Naked votes are tunnels now apparently

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VOTE: Fish

Why

Secret reasons maybe?

Okay
VOTE: Fish

Thats a pretty quick turn on a top town read for you being called to the carpet on "secret reasons"

Thats strong stuff. Does it beat super secret reasons for me being town?

I have super secret reasons to trust Sakura

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My brother did this to me once in a game and I didnt understand it at first. I was so mad at him because he had never misread me before. It wasnt until later that I figured out what he was doing.

Who's your brother

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UNVOTE:

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No watchers are in the setup

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Imp was widely scumread tho

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hi I'm the 1-shot tracker, got a no visits result last night on Sakura

k bye

Um ok

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Also, just like Fish and Turkey, everyone should have an animal to represent them in this game. Not sure why, but it makes me giggle every time I call Gob Turkey.

I call dibs on snake.

Why do I distrust you identifying as a snake? I feel like Sue Hawk has messed with my brain

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Also, just like Fish and Turkey, everyone should have an animal to represent them in this game. Not sure why, but it makes me giggle every time I call Gob Turkey.

I call dibs on snake.

Why do I distrust you identifying as a snake? I feel like Sue Hawk has messed with my brain

Could be that snakes are always equated with evil from the gardens of eden, to the pits of indiana jones pit nightmares. House of Slytheryn, Jake "The Snake" Roberts, Snake Pliskin. All bad people.

That is a good subconscious catch, like his inner scummer wants out.

This feels solid
VOTE: Dr. Drew
Also James I thought you were a goose. As for me I'd be a dragon!

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Also, just like Fish and Turkey, everyone should have an animal to represent them in this game. Not sure why, but it makes me giggle every time I call Gob Turkey.

I call dibs on snake.

Why do I distrust you identifying as a snake? I feel like Sue Hawk has messed with my brain

Could be that snakes are always equated with evil from the gardens of eden, to the pits of indiana jones pit nightmares. House of Slytheryn, Jake "The Snake" Roberts, Snake Pliskin. All bad people.

That is a good subconscious catch, like his inner scummer wants out.

This feels solid
VOTE: Dr. Drew
Also James I thought you were a goose. As for me I'd be a dragon!

...You’re joking on the ‘his inner scummer wants out’ feeling ‘solid’, right? Personally, that’s a step too far for me in Mafia-related amateur psychoanalysis.

And myself, I’d be a mantis.

Dude's scummy anyways, but yeah I do think it was questionable he'd choose to be a snake.
I guess you can take notes on this, James?

And myself, I’d be a mantis.

Sorry to hear about your virginity. Silver lining, you still have your head and are alive.

Okay this is classy

[Gamma Emerald]

Thats a high brow joke.

Mating rituals for Preying Mantis' is for the copulation to finish with the female, which is much larger than her male counterpart, cuts off the head of the male Mantis, and it dies.

So, its a biology joke.

I GOT IT

[Gamma Emerald]

I got the joke bro, didn't have to explain it

[Gamma Emerald]

Why wouldn’t I put effort into it? If anything, in that scenario, I’d put far more effort.

I can’t speak for my predecessor’s play, but I’ll be here. Look, I’m already integrated into the game. I haven’t given opinions on past stuff, but I believe it’s obvious that I have every indication on attempting to solve this game. Maybe it will come in a rather unorthodox way, but I think it’s fair to assume I’m anything but orthodox.

So you’re scum casing me saying I came into a slot I can’t do anything with, so I actively chose not to do anything?

Does this seem like that matches who I am as a player at all? What’s the point of defending here if “I can’t do anything with the slot”?

I don't fucking know who you are.

[Gamma Emerald]

And Gamma, just skimmed back a bit.......if my snake remark is what tipped the scales for me being scum for you......think about that one for a smidge ok?

?

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't fucking know who you are.

I love when dudes with current join dates act like everyone should know who their main is. Is there a flow chart available where I can look up alts and trace them back to their mains?

You can become a listmod

[Gamma Emerald]

Fuck it
Someone sum up the last 7 pages for me

[Gamma Emerald]

rick town.

Talk about this pls

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey Gamma, any reads to share?

Not rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma probably town. To answer your earlier question Gamma, I only played a few games with Ranmaru.

Noticed this in the last page, thanks for responding to my p much pointless question lol

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm fine calling Rick Dalton town after skimming part of his ISO

[Gamma Emerald]

Drew, Gob

Then the last one is Gamma, Persivul, or Brafin.

Skygazer’s entrance just gut pings me as town.

I think I can accept this solve
Also VOTE: Drew

[Gamma Emerald]

Glancing at the setup's wiki page, 1-shot tracker is also a pretty hard claim for scum to make given that you would need the setup to be have only one I to not be in a counterclaim situation down the road.

Chem is probably town.

Oh...?

[Gamma Emerald]

I went back and realized he copy and pastes the toxicity thing and the random question thing in all of his games.

That's a new thing for me

[Gamma Emerald]

I went back and realized he copy and pastes the toxicity thing and the random question thing in all of his games.

That's a new thing for me

How is this news?

Phil scum read JB for this and went into JBs ego and meta dived him.

Phil found out that JB does this as either alignment and still voted for him anyways and pushed for JBs lynch based off the thing his own research proved to be NAI.

I push Phil for it and no one blinks. People, Imp, actually said he town read Phil for it.

This was all brought up already and people either didn't see it or ignored it.

I don't remember it from his earlier games though

[Gamma Emerald]

Drew are you scumreading anyone?

I was gonna post reads last night, but got caught up other stuffs and then passed out heh.

I have 3 tiers.

People I can not see voting: Spangled, Chemist, Turkey, Skygazer

People I could see voting, but you would have to bring up some strong evidence they are scum that hasn't been brought up yet: James, Sakura

Scum is in here: Fish, Rick, Persivul

So with that VOTE: Persivul

Missed me

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, GE did you not realize you already voted me and at least two of us thought I was at L-1. Either a total brain fart or a very scum motivated play, I hope he can enlighten me.

Most likely a brain fat but why would it be scum motivated if it wasn't?

[Gamma Emerald]

Don't have time right now, but I will say I am the Doctor(a bit of irony lol).

Be back later with my multiple breadcrumbs I thought Turkey picked up on hence why I townread him now!

Holy fuck, how did I miss this post?

This never came up in preedit at all.

EEEEEEEW
UNVOTE: just in case

[Gamma Emerald]

that was p gross of you to point out but w/e

i don't like drew's reaction, feels forced; reminds me of when i got fakehammered as scum and i forced an "oh no!" type reaction in psyches miller game

This thinking of automatically suspecting someone when they realize they were fakehammered is shitty af

[Gamma Emerald]

And Gamma, just skimmed back a bit.......if my snake remark is what tipped the scales for me being scum for you......think about that one for a smidge ok?

?

And this is a bit of a deep cut, but the caduceus is basically two snakes wrapped around a staff. The caduceus being a widely known symbol of medicine.

AAAAAAHHH

[Gamma Emerald]

that was p gross of you to point out but w/e

i don't like drew's reaction, feels forced; reminds me of when i got fakehammered as scum and i forced an "oh no!" type reaction in psyches miller game

This thinking of automatically suspecting someone when they realize they were fakehammered is shitty af

Tbf, competent scum players will still pretend to be town after being hammered.

True but I've seen people jump straight past any actual thinking stage and go straight to a conclusion of "it has to be scum"

[Gamma Emerald]

i'd also like to point out that gobble has acted to remove pressure from drew;

fake-hammer gambit -> oh don't worry you weren't hammered!
i declare intent to try and put some imminent pressure for drew to actually complete their claim w crumbs/their target -> immediate unvote

This might be a thing

[Gamma Emerald]

Normally, I would agree that Doctor is a convenient thing for scum to claim, the thing is that scum almost never claim it. I think I was reading a mafia discussion post and a player named Radiant Cowbells made the same assertion (or maybe he refuted, can’t remember), but in Normals at least, Town doctors have been lynched at higher rates than scum fakeclaiming Doctors. Granted, I think the sample size was small (3 town doctors to 1 scum fakeclaiming).

Link the post please

[Gamma Emerald]

Speaking of, Fish, I take it you do not believe the crumbs?

No. I think crumbing is stupid, unless you're a hider.

I think anything with investigative powers should try to crumb results. Beyond that role crumbing is at your convenience.

[Gamma Emerald]

The content of 151 isn't the problem, it's the tone, the phrasing and above all the *aggressive* tepidness.

I can see how that might look tepid tbh, it's kinda afraid to stick its neck out

@Gobble how could you leave out this post, you hurt its feelings!

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Sakura

Fish, you around? Help me start this, or at least unvote.

Why are you starting this? I'm really not feeling it rn.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also wait, why did ur reaction to my sheep vote take so long then.

Because I am more concerned with people that I think are scum. Although, that was foolish of me to even do in the first place. Why would I waste time arguing with scum, I don't even know. I will say that your vote set us down that path and I am annoyed with you for that. If this all goes to crap, I do want you to feel guilt for this town loss.

Also, what post about Rick do you mean with Persivul, I'm not seeing what you're seeing in 1639 unless you mean where he says "Rick is obvtown" after I asked him about a Rick, which is my point entirely. It took me, the first person in the friggin game mind you, to ask Persivul about that read. He did not freely offer that up.

This is a pretty good post tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

I am the vigilante. I did not crumb because I considered any of my shots would be proof in themselves. I did not shoot last night because I did not have a strong enough feel about anyone in the game. I will be shooting tonight, if I am able. I probably should have crumbed now that I am going to get roleblocked until I die.

Anyway, since I am a vigilante that means we are at least on II // KK // with the possibility for II // KK // P? // M? // ? given the claims. I personally think that we are on a 0 T game because if we had one T that would mean there is a serial killer in the game and I doubt that the serial killer

also

no killed last night. It is possible that they shot James Brafin, but I'm not entirely sure. Additionally, it could be that we have a jailkeeper who stopped things. But again, I am not sure.

It is also possible that Drew is lying and we do not have any Doctor or any P which would probably make sense, but I believe Drew and if I am as right as I think I am then, we do not need to sort him until much later.

Given this revelation, I think I have narrowed down are scumspect pool considerably... This is the solve that I began to formulate after Drew claimed.

Doctor Drew
Gamma Emerald
Skygazer
James Braffin
Sakura Hana
Persivul
Chemist1422
Rick Dalton
Formerfish

---

These are the currently alive players minus Spangled because mantises are really

tiny

and minus me because Turkeys. Why else would America eat them every year? Based off this, there are 3 scum in those 9 players.

From my perspective, Sakura Hana can only be scum with Chemist, or if she is the Mafia JOAT who used the Ninja kill the first night which would be so highly unlikely. Additionally, Chemist can only be scum if we are not on II. Based off the day play from both of those players, I do not think that they are scum.

Additionally, Drew has claimed to be Doctor. While his play has been super suspect, I do believe the claim and he can be town now.

---

Gamma Emerald
Skygazer
James Braffin
Persivul
Rick Dalton
Formerfish

That means there are 3 scum in these 7 people. That's pretty crazy odds for me to hit scum from my perspective. Of course, if Drew is lying the odds are still 3 out of 8, but still. That's nearly 50%.

Based off day play, I think that Skygazer is probably town because she has been genuine and original thoughts on a couple of different things in the game. I do not think that scum would be as dogged about me and my slot or as original with those reads concerning me and Drew. She seems like a lurky type player in that regard. That said, she did say something about an SK which implied SK hunting which is always a scumtell. I have no idea how to read Gamma, but based on his play so far, I think he is more likely to be town than not. With this list, I am going to look through Implosion's ISO to see who he suspects the most.

As it stands though this is my reads list

Town to Scum:

Spangled
Chemist1422
Sakura
Drew
Skygazer
Gamma
Rick Dalton
James Braffin
Formerfish
Persivul

Knowing my luck, I will be wrong about all of this. I think I am right that the scum are in {Persivul, Formerfish, James Braffin}. I began looking into those three specifically together and I feel I am right because all of their lists have each other as either null or a slight read on way or another which I think is to keep the option open for bussing

For example, James Braffin posts this reads list...

Chemist is pinging me. So is Pers, who doesn't seem toe really be adding anything to the gamestate
Implosion strikes me as town-ish, in a "using other's content bot not generating a lot of my own" kinda way. But he's been super active and building off several other players, which I expect from town, not scum.
Jackal I can't sort yet. Not enough info.
Korina and The Worst are both obviously scum.
Arch is... odd. I'd like to see vote reasoning here, but I can't say he's super scummy without it. VERY slight scumread,
Dr. doesn't have enough, but Dry-fit has me concerned. He feels like he's coasting, which I don't feel like is a town thing.
Gamma is fluff-posting, which I find scummy as frick. Speaking of, yes, I prefer RQS.
Phil is maybe town, considering his posts, and Sakura as well. I feel like as scum they both would have pushed harder against me for my bad reasoning, but they didn't try to build that case and that strikes me as townish.

@mod V/LA for two days

Noted.
-Kor

but before I go..
viewtopic.php?f=51&t=80331&user_select[]=33000
VOTE: Persivul

@mod V/LA got cut short so im back

Noted.
-Kor

So he got a slight scum read on this, but somehow can't form a read on this

VOTE: Gamma
For using a color that's impossible to read on the dark boards theme. I literally had to open a quote-reply to see what that post said.

@Mod

Please note I'm officially V/LA until next Friday (the 26th) due to a billing/payment issue with my home internet. It should not cause activity issues though, as I can post via my phone which has unlimited data.

Noted.
-Kor

Not really. More like this, with no particular order within groups::

{Skygazer, James, Sakura}
{Everyone else, for various reasons}
{Phil}
{Thespio}

Town:

Spang
FF
Hana
Thes
Dry

EP
Chem
JB

Gamma
Pers

Drew

Imp
Phil
:

Scum

Of course, I could be totally wrong about all of this and it is what it is, but based off how Fish and Persivul reacted to me pressuring Persivul, I think I am right. I wanted to post an encrypted message saying that Fish would vote me, but then I realized I would probably be modkilled for it. Which honestly at this point, doesn't sound too bad to be freed from a town that 1) isn't playing and 2) isn't reading.

Now that I've claimed though, I won't be able to prove myself until the RB is dead but at that point I'll probably be dead too so, thanks Sakura? Your gambit got the Doctor and the Vigilante to claim. A+ town play right there. If you're mafia, honestly you deserve to win just based off that fact.

I think given the specific setup that I think we have a mass claim today probably wins us the game. We still have a vengeful/pgo and a full cop or tracker out there. I think the PGO should claim, but the vengeful should not (honestly though, vengeful by itself is such a stupid role. It is like a jester and encourages anti-town play despite being a town aligned role).

The full cop or tracker is confirmed town though due to setup spec, again unless, Chemist is mafia, but I don't see it. If we are on PP that other role also becomes conftown. If we have an A that role is also conftown. Really in my mind, we would just start to play this with a bunch of named townies and the moment we hit the roleblocker we probably bulldoze.

Sakura, you can unvote now and vote Persivul.

Blech. I would have trusted this more if implosion was the shot actually.

[Gamma Emerald]

oof, another self resolving claim. ok

No, it doesn't self resolve, because now that he's claimed, he can just say that there were no extra kills due to the RB.

Also note that for an SK, a N1 no kill gambit (or being blocked) followed by a vig claim is an interesting gambit.

In a past run of C9++ davesaz made a deep run doing this iirc

[Gamma Emerald]

The SK as vig thing fyi

[Gamma Emerald]

What are all the claims rn, my gut tells me the setup isn't looking right here

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok, thought there were more rn
PEdit: Persivul said it was trying to direct votes away from Turkey because Persivul thought Turkey was cop @drew

[Gamma Emerald]

In a past run of C9++ davesaz made a deep run doing this iirc

In C9++, it's easier to do, because a vig can exist by itself.

In this setup, a vig means there must also be a 1X PGO or Vengeful.

We have a simple mechanical solve on gobble that does no harm to us.

These people haven't claimed:
Gamma Emerald
Skygazer
James Braffin
Sakura Hana
Persivul
Rick Dalton
Formerfish

Every one of these should claim whether they are or are not PGO/Vengeful.

If claiming positively, don't specify which one you are.

If no one claims PGO/Vengeful, then gobble is a SK pulling a vig gambit.

If someone does claim PGO/Vengeful, then
- that person and gobble are near conftown, as a 2-scum gambit is very highly unlikely
- scum don't know if the claimant is PGO or vengeful, so they don't know if the person is safe to kill - no harm done.

I am NOT PGO/Vengeful.

Everyone on the list should claim one way or the other, or explain why this plan does more harm than good.

Gamma Emerald
Skygazer
James Braffin
Sakura Hana
Rick Dalton
Formerfish

Not PGO/Vengeful

[Gamma Emerald]

Also gob's reaction was unbelievably shitty

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m SK and I shit Implosion, Scum shot me and i lost my BP. Persivul is scum for going hard at this and not scumhunting else where i think my analysis still checks out for {JB, Fish, Persivul} with outside chance of Drew. I am happy to shoot them dead for town and then get strung myself.

Discuss.

I don't really agree Persivul is driving the SK thing into the ground.

[Gamma Emerald]

Cop/tracker is Gamma by the way

Why would you state this?
VOTE: gobbledygook

[Gamma Emerald]

Like I'm not confirming or denying it but it's anti town so to do that after your "confession" makes no sense if you're trying to townside in your last efforts.

[Gamma Emerald]

You know what the initial big claim post I think makes it more likely Gobb is SK over scum
VOTE: SkyG
I guess go on with this one? Also wdym lying about "one of the three"?

[Gamma Emerald]

I am SK and that’s how I know we are T/II/M/P/? Or TTT/II/M/P

That’s also how I was able to parse Sakura conftown (unless scum with Chemist or Ninja Joat)

How would a tracker negative clear someone?

[Gamma Emerald]

So uh, does SK change the ammount of groupscum we have? i forgot how this game works.

Yeah, it does. There are 3 scum always in this setup, and SK is counted as scum, IIRC.

No

[Gamma Emerald]

Also since Gob is a FUCKING MORON I might as well claim. Yes I am cop and I got Sakura town n1. Got no result last night on Persivul which is why I'm so pissed at Gob.

[Gamma Emerald]

And btw my first five posts were an ultra cryptic crumb, ARE YOU HAPPY NOW PERSIVUL

[Gamma Emerald]

So uh, does SK change the ammount of groupscum we have? i forgot how this game works.

Yeah, it does. There are 3 scum always in this setup, and SK is counted as scum, IIRC.

No

Oh, hang on, does groupscum mean total scum number, as in 3p included? If so, no.

No, in setups with less Ts there are 3 groups in and possibly 1 SK

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah we have 3 groupscum and I'm upset y'all haven't read the setup

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually someone else, unless I'm mistaken, should be cleared

[Gamma Emerald]

Sakura, who do you think is cleared that hasn't been noticed as a cleared person yet?

[Gamma Emerald]

Sakura, who do you think is cleared that hasn't been noticed as a cleared person yet?

If it take a wild guess, FF

No. Think about claimed actions.

[Gamma Emerald]

got lost it's 1S BP.

Forgot about this
But why are you voting Jamesout of your suspects when a protection was claimed on him?

[Gamma Emerald]

Fyi I THOUGHT James was cleared but Maybe I was wrong

[Gamma Emerald]

I considered that (+godfather) but I don't want to consider it currently.

[Gamma Emerald]

Though Sakura's reaction to this honestly makes me trust her more

[Gamma Emerald]

Tailor would need to guess my target right

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not lynching Sakura ever, if Sakura is scum she's won the game

I think we should do VCA at this point with the amount of clears adding to the "flips"

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: James Brafin
ok
Btw there's no way both our claims are real

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: james

can we do this

Sure, if you can provide a better reason than inactivity.

Does this come from a cop?
@Sakura I felt you were off somehow plus you aren't the easiest to read at times in general

[Gamma Emerald]

You know what the initial big claim post I think makes it more likely Gobb is SK over scum
VOTE: SkyG
I guess go on with this one? Also wdym lying about "one of the three"?

Out of idle curiosity, how does THIS come from cop?

What makes it NOT come from a cop? Your post was kinda laying down and dying. Not expected out of really any PR. My post, however, has no such red flag and honestly seem to be saying "no u" in response to my comment.

[Gamma Emerald]

Awfully convenient he checked you night one, isn’t it?
You’re trying awfully hard to defend a counter-claimed cop, aren’t you?
That doesn’t seem like town behavior to me.

So whoever defends you is scum with you?

[Gamma Emerald]

Cop/tracker is Gamma by the way

Also since Gob is a FUCKING MORON I might as well claim. Yes I am cop and I got Sakura town n1. Got no result last night on Persivul which is why I'm so pissed at Gob.

Also this doesnt look like a fake reaction.
Even gob noticed Gamma was an investigative of some sort.

Scum obviously didn’t, since he’s not DEAD.

OH REALLY. Maybe it's because they killed the doctor and roleblocked me?

[Gamma Emerald]

Cop/tracker is Gamma by the way

Also since Gob is a FUCKING MORON I might as well claim. Yes I am cop and I got Sakura town n1. Got no result last night on Persivul which is why I'm so pissed at Gob.

Also this doesnt look like a fake reaction.
Even gob noticed Gamma was an investigative of some sort.

Scum obviously didn’t, since he’s not DEAD.

>doctor died

The outed doctor? Wow, shocker that scum killed the outed PR instead of the “cop.” You ALWAYS kill informed town first. Gamma says that he got roleblocked and scum killed doctor. But that’s idiotic on scum’s part. Why would they not roleblock the doctor and kill a cop if they thought they knew where it was?

How is doctor more confirmable than cop?
Also I freaking breadsliced d2 with my "secret reasons to trust Sakura". Following Gob's derp how does that slip by?

[Gamma Emerald]

You know what the initial big claim post I think makes it more likely Gobb is SK over scum
VOTE: SkyG
I guess go on with this one? Also wdym lying about "one of the three"?

Out of idle curiosity, how does THIS come from cop?

Why wouldn't it? Cops play the day game too.

But as already asked I would like Gamma to explain this, and why he didn't pick up with it at the beginning of today.

What did you think needed explaining in that post?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why did you make such an obvious crumb?

Because I figured at the time of it would be brushed under by the fact Sakura said a similar thing. Basically contextual camouflage.

[Gamma Emerald]

I meant "go on with" as in "go on with why Sky is scum". And I voted Sky because I wanted to leash Gob.

[Gamma Emerald]

No. Me and James both claimed full cop, not one shot.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not that good either, I practically have to check the setup every 5 minutes in any setup otherwise I say something absolutely stupid.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why does it matter?

[Gamma Emerald]

I meant "go on with" as in "go on with why Sky is scum". And I voted Sky because I wanted to leash Gob.

What does "leash Gob" mean? Terminology on this site changes so frequently I can't keep up with it.

Make him shoot for town's benefit.

[Gamma Emerald]

No. Me and James both claimed full cop, not one shot.

If chem's claim is false (and again, I'm not charging that it is), then two cops is possible. It's possible in III or above.

Who's the 1 shot neap/gunsmith in that case?

[Gamma Emerald]

If there were two cops the Neo/Gunsmith would’ve CCed me

This is where I'm at

[Gamma Emerald]

It's a CC situation, not really much to be said

[Gamma Emerald]

Yaaaaay!
Both sides played solid, I was worried when FF and Sakura cane together at the start there, but in the end I think Ffish misplayed around Sakura

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, I did say I'd do this:
Gobble, even though it's not an official one, I'm giving you a spiritual win, just for the solve. Like, I genuinely want that effort to be recognized. You solving the game honestly made the entire game for me. That was just something absolutely wonderful to see, and I applaud you for that.

If Gob hadn't outed me I would have let him live past day 2, can't speak for everyone else but I was fine having a leashed SK

[Gamma Emerald]

As Rick Dalton

Btw I thought Rick was chennisden but being Flavor makes a lot of sense