2078: Any Non-Dead Person Can Post In This Mafia Game [end]

[Pine]

Oh shit it's on

VOTE: Skygazer

First post obvscum

[Pine]

btw I know this is fake as hell of me but votes for non-players will

not

be counted. sometimes you just gotta let folks know that This Is Not That Sort Of Game

VOTE: xyzzy

[Pine]

Sup? I got pinged on Discord but am only on page 2.

This game is going to be fucking ridiculous if all you non-players are just going to shitpost.

[Pine]

Pine hypothetically speaking how would you feel about being quicklynched on d1?

Also the mod is explicitly encouraging shitposting so idk if you're looking for a real mafia game this uh might not be the game for you?

Well, my power is fucking useless unless we can entice Untrod Tripod into the thread, and I'm rapidly thinking that this game may have been a tragic mistake, soooo

[Pine]

This game is going to be fucking ridiculous if all you non-players are just going to shitpost.

were you expecting the actual-players to not shitpost

I mean...not really, but I was naively hoping that you'd keep it in your pants.

PE: See? I actually have confidence in Chickadee.

[Pine]

Right, so is there anything in the previous 25 pages of trash worth reading?

Asking for a friend.

[Pine]

Right, so is there anything in the previous 25 pages of trash worth reading?

Asking for a friend.

Well Untrod Tripod posted in the thread.

Yeah but I need him to come in and have a conversation.

Like, gossiping about Jiffadee would count.

[Pine]

Ugh I need to post a sticky note on my laptop with the player list to keep track of who matters

[Pine]

Hi Pine, how is your baby doing?

Pinecone is wonderful! At nearly thirteen months, she's turned into a tiny little person with a spitfire personality. She started walking in mid-April (first independent steps on my birthday, actually,) and we've got our hands full. Babyproofing a house with as many stairs as ours has been difficult, but I ended up just making what I call "safe zones," places where I've thoroughly proofed everything, then gated the exits. She has her own 6x10 preserve in the family room we fenced off with tons of toys and things that make noise. The problem is, she's already figured out half of the latch to the gate! Fortunately, I think she'll lack the grip strength to pull back the spring lock for at least a year, so we've got time. As delighted as I am that she's a puzzle-solver (early problem-solving is indicative of a bunch of positive things) she's also showing signs of wanting to climb, so we'll have that thrown into the mix in a few months when she figures out how to pull herself up and over things.

Aside from all of that, she's at a stage where she's learning routines and starting to express likes and dislikes. Over the weekend I cut up some pieces of breakfast sausage for her and she curiously put them on her tongue, then chewed once, made a face, spat it out, and threw it on the floor. Okay then...we don't like that right now. She's a bit of a little hellion, too. When she's done with whatever she's eating, she'll pick up a chunk of it, make eye contact, then slowly and deliberately hold it over the tray, pause, then drop it to the floor. Then she goes back for more.

Pinecone's first word was "kitty" (though she can't do the "k" sound), followed by "dada" and "mama". She has about a dozen words (or sounds we recognize as intended words) and maybe ten signs. She's confused by the rabbit, though. She'll walk up to him and point, say "kitty", but make the "doggie" sign with her other hand. It's adorable. We enrolled her early on in swimming lessons, though infant swimming lessons are really more about water familiarity and exploration. She can blow bubbles, hold her breath underwater for a few seconds, will jump in from a sitting position on the edge, and as of recently is kicking when we cruise around the pool looking for "lost" rubber duckies.

Fatherhood really is wonderful. Every milestone is a treat, and we can already see elements of my personality and Lady Pine's mixing. Her eyes have settled on my blue, but her hair is staying her mom's blond, though it does have strawberry highlights in the right light. We'll see where that lands.

[Pine]

Right, so is there anything in the previous 25 pages of trash worth reading?

Asking for a friend.

Well Untrod Tripod posted in the thread.

Yeah but I need him to come in and have a conversation.

Like, gossiping about Jiffadee would count.

Hm...well I think I'll leave that up to someone else to ask for, since I already asked UT to post here once.

Also if it's goss about jiffadee you want, you can ask me anything. I have the inside scoop.

Yes, but you don't qualify. Psyche, shaft.ed, saporovirus, or Majiffy himself would count.

I mean, if Jiffadee want to come in here and chat about themselves once a game day, I'd be super obliged.

[Pine]

Mastina, do you have any recent Pine town examples?

There aren't any recent anything examples from me. I haven't played a game (iirc) in almost a year.

w/r/t nomnomnom, my gut is saying this is a scum play. I don't see the benefit in claiming third party here...there's just not a real positive effect from it. Just carry on, get a non-player to do your recruiting, as I did.

[Pine]

VOTE: nomnomnom

[Pine]

@Jingle - Nah. Mastina's history with me is too complex. You're not going to get anything rational out of her about me. It drives her fucking BONKERS that she can't read me for shit.

PE: I'm not voting a claimed survivor, I'm voting someone I think is more likely to be scum than telling the truth.

[Pine]

I've always liked Baseball poker.

I actually find that a bit flattering, Jingle. <3

[Pine]

all survivors must die, in my experience they always side with scum, nomnom defend thyself and pledge extreme loyalty to town

Exactly.

[Pine]

Which kind of proves my point. If nomnomnom were ACTUALLY a survivor, they gain nothing but problems by claiming it. Scum, however, can use the claim to lead investigations and other actions away from themselves, and then when endgame rolls around can say “why lynch me when you have a real threat to lynch.”

An actual survivor shouldn’t have claimed it like that, not so early with no pressure. QED, likely lying scum.

[Pine]

I need Zoroaster to make a post related to us politics here!

Hmmm, ofrhz, are there four other people who would qualify?

[Pine]

I need Zoroaster to make a post related to us politics here!

Hmmm, ofrhz, are there four other people who would qualify?

[Pine]

Not really. Mine is top five in Relationships, and Majiffy counts for both.

Ofrhz, I pretty much consider you an IC now, and am even more certain of nom’s guilt, given how out of step it is with our requirements

[Pine]

Not really. Mine is top five in Relationships, and Majiffy counts for both.

Ofrhz, I pretty much consider you an IC now, and am even more certain of nom’s guilt, given how out of step it is with our requirements

I have an additional requirement that any of those top 5 posters need to make a thread related to us politics here

and whether or not a post is "related to us politics" is left to xyzzy's divine judgment

I have a similar, almost identically-worded caveat.

W/r/t people reading me, I can’t think of anyone who can consistently do it. Your best bet is probably to listen to mastina and then do the opposite of whatever she says.

[Pine]

Not really. Mine is top five in Relationships, and Majiffy counts for both.

Ofrhz, I pretty much consider you an IC now, and am even more certain of nom’s guilt, given how out of step it is with our requirements

I have an additional requirement that any of those top 5 posters need to make a thread related to us politics here

and whether or not a post is "related to us politics" is left to xyzzy's divine judgment

I have a similar, almost identically-worded caveat.

W/r/t people reading me, I can’t think of anyone who can consistently do it. Your best bet is probably to listen to mastina and then do the opposite of whatever she says.

How about you actually scumhunt instead of playing this game of "nobody can read me nyerk nyerk nyerk" because let's be honest, that's horrible

You know I think that's the second time you've invoked "how about you scumhunt."

I actually am, and your need to say it twice makes me even more sure that I'm on the right track. I don't think we've ever actually played together, but most anyone who has can vouch for the fact that I don't dick around. I'm following the leads I see, and strawman attacks don't deter me.

[Pine]

Hmm is mastina going 2 days with no posts a bad sign?

Normally I would say yes, but this is still in massive shitpost territory, so I'll cut her some slack and say it's NAI unless she beetlejuices.

8 pages overnight from mostly non-players shitposting. And because there's players doing good work in there, I had to read all that tripe.

Good news though, Wagonomics is Town. Getting Townish vibes from Who, too.

[Pine]

I thought about crossing out "River" in Paint so it said "Pine - Sharp Cheddar". Thoughts?

Also I feel mildly betrayed that you didn't fall in line in the Federation of Cheddar, but I'll forgive you eventually.

PE: I know, but just because I enjoy a challenge doesn't mean I can't be irritated by the hardships. I enjoy camping, but hate being bitten by mosquitoes. And these fuckers are at least as blood-sucking.

[Pine]

How's that?

[Pine]

thoughts?

Accepted!

[Pine]

It's my avatar now so it shouldn't be a problem.

[Pine]

Titus! Been a while.

I'm toying with just ISOing the players and going from there. You can see up to three people at a time now, which helps with the shitposting.

[Pine]

Titus vote Pine <3

I'm not really sure what your antipathy for me is.

[Pine]

Yes.

Like I like you but you’re scum.

...k

[Pine]

No, ofhrz is locktown. I will not elaborate.

[Pine]

I'M PROBABLY ABOUT TO SPEND TIME WITH MY GIRLFRIEND AND RIGHT NOW AM INCREDIBLY BUSY AND I DON'T THINK I CAN POST CONTENT TONIGHT AND MAY NOT BE ABLE TO FOR A WHILE BECAUSE I'M DOING LIKE TEN DIFFERENT THINGS A DAY RIGHT NOW AND I WILL BE AROUND WHEN I AM ABLE TO AND I PRAY TO GOD THAT THE MOD DOESN'T HAVE PROD-DODGE RULES BECAUSE I REALLY DON'T THINK I CAN MAKE CONTENT NOW BUT I SWEAR TO GOD I CAN MAKE GOOD CONTENT ONCE I AM NO LONGER SO BUSY; I SHOULD PROBABLY SET V/LA EVEN THOUGH TECHNICALLY SPEAKING I AM NEITHER ON VACATION NOR LIMITED ACCESS (well, from a certain point of view, I AM on vacation given shutdown week at work but that vacation should've increased my access not decreased and yet here I am)

Yeah girl, get some!

[Pine]

When I said that I was being overly emotional, and upon looking back the "obv" part was unwarranted.

Pine let the game die. There was a bunch of momentum, things were happening, there was a wagon on Pine, he was asked for a comment on it, he was like "Nah", and everyone said "Wait what do we do now" and lost interest. The apathy he caused benefits scum. But town do anti-town things all the time and it isn't actual evidence.

I agree with you about the resistance to the Roster wagon. The Eevee wagon seems sketchy when viewed in this light, two players who hadn't previously mentioned Eevee suddenly vote a target players on the Roster wagon had been suspicious of, I suspect that at least one is scum.

Declining to entertain a non-wagon isn't apathy, wtf are you talking about?

Oh Who is actually scum.

I'm thinking you might be right.

[Pine]

Oh wait a moment

Are non-players allowed to post reads?

It hasn't stopped them so far.

[Pine]

Ugh I need to post a sticky note on my laptop with the player list to keep track of who matters

I do.

That might actually be true, as opposed to most of the non-players who aren't actually helping.

I hereby dub you an IC Treestump.

[Pine]

Hi Pine, how is your baby doing?

Pine is pregnant?

No, trees propagate through external fertilization.

And Pinecone is like a year old or something.

A few hours from now it'll be thirteen months.

Ugh I need to post a sticky note on my laptop with the player list to keep track of who matters

I do.

That might actually be true, as opposed to most of the non-players who aren't actually helping.

I hereby dub you an IC Treestump.

No, I'M THE IC.

Are you a treestump?

[Pine]

Creature is obviously a hydra of Titus and RadiantCowbells

That is a terrifying thought.

It really is.

[Pine]

Illness, rl, and too many ppl

What the fuck is this.

TITUS is complaining about too much activity in thread?

I feel vindicated for my grumbling about you in Civilization Mafia.

(Still <3 tho)

[Pine]

Like I said, I think it might be town indicative after thinking about it for a bit.

I concur, to a point. As with mastina, I'll make a call when things calm down and the game actually starts.

PE: Blah blah blah all I know is that you and Mathblade drowned out my ADORABLE Caesar gimmick.

[Pine]

Imperial Caesar accepts your apology, Senator, much belated though it may be! The functions of Our Glorious Empire have continued without impediment despite your nigh-treasonous actions, of course, but it is good that you have returned to Our bosom.

We beseech thee, Senator, on behalf of the Citizens of Eternal Rome, that you return from your indisposition at your earliest opportunity, that this loyal Senate may resume its Good Works in rooting out Barbarians and Traitors against Our Rule.

Roma Invicta!

[Pine]

Joan of Arc would be a good gimmick.

We should hydra some time.

[Pine]

and joan of arc was never empress of france what is this revisionism

I wasn't suggesting she was. Joan simply has a lot of character potential.

Translate the French for me? I caught most of it, but I feel some nuance is lost on me.

[Pine]

I asked Eevee a question in the hood like an hour ago and she still hasn't responded.

Well if she's blown you off for an hour,

surely

that's a sign of ill intent.

Remind me who the neighborhood is?

[Pine]

I'm calling bullshit. There's no reason for town to do something like that. Claimed survivor and now has vig shots? Sounds like survivor who just turned serial killer.
VOTE: Nomnomnom

Also calling bullshit.

My power, activated by posters from the Relationships thread, is Cupid shots. These serve much the same function as Vigilante shots.

[Pine]

I'm calling bullshit. There's no reason for town to do something like that. Claimed survivor and now has vig shots? Sounds like survivor who just turned serial killer.
VOTE: Nomnomnom

Also calling bullshit.

My power, activated by posters from the Relationships thread, is Cupid shots. These serve much the same function as Vigilante shots.

You're claiming loverizer?

Sure, I'll fullclaim*. It's relevant.

The name of the role is town relationships X-shot cupid. If one of the top five posters in the 'Relationships' thread posts in this thread during a game day, one of my shots activates. The shot loverizes my targets. This serves a very similar balance function to an activated vigilante, so I do NOT believe nomnomnom is Town.

The possibility that she's a SK hadn't occurred to me, so I'll give some thought to keeping her around as a leashed SK, but I'm usually against it.

*At the last second I decided to redact the number of shots I'm eligible for. It's a finite number, but that number is tactical information, and sharing it really only serves scum.

PE: Christ, fourteen posts since I started writing.

[Pine]

I've decided to give nomnomnom a pass for now. I highly suspect that she's a SK, but she can be leashed. A good SK acts like a good vig anyway, and should never be allowed to survive to endgame. It will solve itself eventually, and hunting groupscum takes priority.

Still vibing roster scum, and this latest interaction with Lavender in particular feels like SvS theater.

VOTE: Lavender

This is a tree worth shaking.

[Pine]

Wtf it's like 2 hours to deadline and u gyus still haven't lynched anyone lo.l

*side eye*

I can get behind a Roster compromise. If/when he flips red I'd like to look at Lavender first.

Alternatively, nomnomnom should shoot her.

Roster at L-1. Willing to consider hammer, though not this suddenly.

Roster, please claim.

[Pine]

With the exception of a probably-bussing Lavender, I also really like this Roster wagon.

[Pine]

I buy the commuter claim, just not the alignment. Commuter is absolutely a reasonable role to give scum when there's a vig/SK in the mix.

Intent to hammer.

I'm comfortable not having access to my power N1, I don't have a good target for it. Ofrhz, did you ever get yours activated? Should we spend time getting an NPC to summon someone?

[Pine]

I mean I would never have come up with commuter myself.

Not least because i didn’t know it existed before I got this role pm

This is all kinds of "methinks the lady doth protest too much." This could also be cover for an ascetic or bulletproof scum, also good scum powers in a role madness game.

PEdit: I've seen scum commuters before, nom.

[Pine]

I'm pretty sure I've seen a scum commuter before?

Also commuter being reasonable is true but like. Do you get the impression xyzzy sat down to make these roles and thought, "ok it's time to make a reasonable setup."?

W/r/t this, I suspect we’re not being told the whole truth. It’s probably conditional or dependent on circumstances in a way he’s not saying. Hell, I’ve been an even commuter and claimed odd commuter just to bait the kill.

When you have multiple killing roles, it makes sense to throw in some defensive ones. Classic is bulletproof, but that’s passive and boring. Commuter is great because it’s active, and a bit of a gamble. Yes you’re protected, but you also can’t be cleared by a cop or make your factional kill. There’s more inherent jeopardy to it.

Xyzzy knows all of this, and enjoys convoluted PRs, so while commuter makes sense, simple even night modifier does not. That lends itself to being a partial fakeclaim.

Nom, come back to the wagon. And kill Lavender tonight, ok?

[Pine]

So you’re doubting my role BECAUSE it makes sense?

I kind of wanna speedwagon Ausuka.

Both this and roster’s mad scramble to defend himself feel further scummy to me.

[Pine]

I maintain that this sounds like a real xyzzy role with the lie being the alignment.

[Pine]

@Pine who are you loving btw

just so I don't shoot the same guy

My power isn't active yet. Untrod Tripod posted, but didn't satisfy the conditions.

I'm not in a hurry, I can wait on Jingle.

[Pine]

That said, the longer we wait the more likely Roster is to weasel out of this by getting someone on the wagon to flip.

[Pine]

Yeah N_M is definitely Town.

Intent to hammer at or around 4PM EST.

(expired on 2019-06-11 14:00:00)

[Pine]

Sorry, fell asleep on the couch. Not feeling very well. I think this is L+1, but it’s the principle.

VOTE: Roster

[Pine]

Onions are ew

VOTE: roster

Policy lynch.

Also, poor poor duck 2.0, being allergic to the best culinary tool in anyone's arsenal.

Wasn’t this hammer?

Seriously, I’m not feeling well today and just skimmed. I didn’t see any unvotes or reasons to stop.

[Pine]

Yeah, shooting me would be an outright scumclaim, lynch nom tomorrow.

A “leashed” SK who goes rogue is an imminent threat to Town.

[Pine]

Further, Roster has had almost two days to make a point, and two hours past my deadline while I slept. I don’t buy any of these crocodile tears.

[Pine]

I doubt he does either, but A) Nothing is sure until the flip, especially in a role madness game and B) Without a hammer he was continuing to actively weasel out of a consensus lynch.

What part of setting an 8-hour deadline after waiting more than a day, then following through after a two-hour extension is confusing? Even if he flips green, I do not apologize for scumhunting and prosecution of my best guess. I played this straight.

PE: You shoot Lavender, who you are on record as suspecting and we previously discussed.

[Pine]

Assuming nom follows through and shoots me, here are my reads:

Scum: Lavender, one of {Who, Eevee}*, one of the lurkers {mastina, Penguin, Titus}. SK nomnomnom.

Town: Ohfrz, Jingle, Ausuka

*Both seem a little scummy, but my gut says not together.

[Pine]

Today I'll be making chicken nuggets out of a crispy chicken fajita mix, and serving them to myself with a bunch of cheese, chips and beans.

Pine perhaps it is the decent thing to do to let a RT discussion carry on and not end it prematurely?

This Pine reaction makes me revert back to misguided town though :/

Again, I woke up and pulled the trigger. I didn’t realize it was a RT conversation.

Your reaction to hammer seems Town, so I apologize for being wrong, but not for suspecting you in the first place. Your behavior, particularly the vote hopping, warranted it.

[Pine]

one of {Who, Eevee}*

explain that to me

Mostly gut, having to do with their cautious approach here. They both feel like they’re trying play cleanly, be present without attracting negative attention under the cover of so much static. More stalking lion than charging wolf.

I always thought vote-hopping was townie.

Like town should have a less coherent thought process than scum

Town should be finding suspects and making cases. Scum had the flexibility to be flippant.

Your point of view isn’t without merit, but it’s contrary to long-established site meta.

[Pine]

Mostly gut, having to do with their cautious approach here. They both feel like they’re trying play cleanly, be present without attracting negative attention under the cover of so much static. More stalking lion than charging wolf.

Okay but why can't they both be scum?

They're unlikely to be using the same approach.

This is one of those "play by feel" gut reads.

[Pine]

I think Pine is just stupid townie regarding their reaction to me.

I think you vastly underestimate Pine if you think 'stupid' 'town' and 'Pine' belong in the same sentence.

I actually lol'd at this.

Mastina, you are just STILL godawful at reading me. Will you ever stop being embarrassed by how shit you are at it?

Protip: If Mastina ever insists I'm scum, either I'm Town or she's scum, often both. Here?

[Pine]

VOTE: Lavender

[Pine]

I'm on page 89. I'll catch up after the SUPP is over.

[Pine]

Glancing up this page, I was not allowed an action. I tried to claim that UT voting for xyzzy was an attempt at flirting, but it didn't count.

[Pine]

Actually, I haven't been playing any of my games lately, but have actually kept most closely updated with this one. While I don't want to step on the toes of the new tightening of ongoing game rules by giving details, it's really only this afternoon that I've started to get back in the groove after a rough week. This is easily provable if you look at my recent posts.

I'm not sure what you gain from this gross misrepresentation.

[Pine]

@Pine who are you loving btw

just so I don't shoot the same guy

My power isn't active yet. Untrod Tripod posted, but didn't satisfy the conditions.

I'm not in a hurry, I can wait on Jingle.

I wasn't eligible for a Cupid shot, and said so. The conditions are pretty strict, and were not met on D1. I wanted to loverize myself to nomnomnom, but was not allowed.

[Pine]

Actually, I haven't been playing any of my games lately, but have actually kept most closely updated with this one. While I don't want to step on the toes of the new tightening of ongoing game rules by giving details, it's really only this afternoon that I've started to get back in the groove after a rough week. This is easily provable if you look at my recent posts.

I'm not sure what you gain from this gross misrepresentation.

I also am not going to discuss ongoing games besides to say what I already said, that you are doing nothing in this game while you have been posting in other games.

I really haven't, until the last few hours. Again, this is easily proved by looking at my overall recent activity.

Yes, I've been posting around the site, but not in games. Low-investment social stuff is very easy compared to keeping up with a 110-page game.

PE: Again, that's a misrepresentation. This game has the MOST participation, and even then that's piss-poor. It took me days to notice you addressing me.

Kindly fuck off.

[Pine]

Hi.

Okay, here's the deal. Last week was really difficult for me.

Spoiler: Emotional Health

I was not in a good place. My depression is usually pretty low-key, and well controlled with low-dose medication. I still have a bad day or two every month, and once or twice a year I have a bad week. Last week was that week. I've had a long conversation with my doctor, and while we've been avoiding it for a while. we've upped my dosage, hoping to whittle away at the off-times. I'm fine now. Quality time with family and reading several escapist novels and playing some mindless RPGs helped a lot. Don't worry, I'm never a danger to myself or others.

Apathy and ennui is a major feature of my bad times. I was barely keeping my head above water elsewhere around here, and completely failing to do so in a 100+ page thread.

I apologize for my absence. I probably should have replaced immediately, when the slot was still viable, rather than waiting until my unexplained absence had dug it into a hole no one wanted to take.

I kept this game bookmarked, but haven't really checked it in a week. On a whim I looked today to see who'd replaced me, and I found that no one had. That isn't fair to the Town, so I talked to xyzzy, and they're having a hard time finding someone who wants to read 125 pages with a disadvantaged slot. I'm going to give it another attempt, and I'll actually try this time.

[Pine]

VOTE: pine

w/e they can shoot the cop anyway

i think scum just gave up.

Honestly, this post is what really got me to care enough to bother to contact xyzzy.

I don't do this as scum. Ever. Not once in my 7 years on site. It isn't how I operate. If I think something's lost, I try harder rather than giving up. Sometimes it works.

Here's an example of how I approach an "oh I'm fucked" scum slot. I replaced into this a few weeks ago by request, and went out in a blaze of glory. To see "scum gave up" attached to me is actually kind of offensive.

[Pine]

I did think you meant tactical replace-out, so rancor rescinded.

I have no idea. I barely skimmed the early game, don't remember much, and haven't read at all since at least dawn of D1. I thought I saw something about Mastina having an investigation of some kind?

[Pine]

I'm just engaging my replacement strategy at this point. I don't really know what's going on, and early D1 reads are usually obsolete by late D2 anyway.

[Pine]

@Pine who are you loving btw

just so I don't shoot the same guy

My power isn't active yet. Untrod Tripod posted, but didn't satisfy the conditions.

I'm not in a hurry, I can wait on Jingle.

I wasn't eligible for a Cupid shot, and said so. The conditions are pretty strict, and were not met on D1. I wanted to loverize myself to nomnomnom, but was not allowed.

PP knew I wanted to target nom, but wasn't allowed. He's not giving you information that wasn't already public.

I sent xyzzy a 90% joking message trying to loverize myself and nom, on the basis that UT was flirting when he posted, but xyzzy shut that down.

PP is lying, 100%, if he says he saw me actually make an action. I do not have an active power.

VOTE: Penguin Power

[Pine]

What the fuck

Spam for spam’s sake makes this less fun and buries important information. Please stop.

[Pine]

He also claimed he was a tracker

[Pine]

More importantly, he claimed to track me somewhere I didn’t go.

He’s trolling and muddying the water

[Pine]

Fuck you guys

Have you considered it could be an alternate scum wincon? We’ve already seen an unusual Town wincon

[Pine]

Fuck you guys

Have you considered it could be an alternate scum wincon? We’ve already seen an unusual Town wincon

We've actually already discussed that as an option, and decided to only get Pengy to Watcher status today.

Hard to tell with 30 or 40 new pages of fluff

[Pine]

This might go down as the biggest D3.

[Pine]

If Pine flips town, PP confscum

Fine whatever. I’ll play intentionally scummy now to 1v1 PP.

I really don’t want you to willfully empower him. Unnecessary, may be dangerous.

[Pine]

VOTE: Pine

[Pine]

My dudes.

I have absolute proof PP is lying.

The only way I can convey this proof to you is by flipping.

This is a 1v1, not anything else. I am advocating for my lynch. Take it to 200 if you must, but then turbolynch Penguin. Let's do this.

[Pine]

My dudes.

I have absolute proof PP is lying.

The only way I can convey this proof to you is by flipping.

This is a 1v1, not anything else. I am advocating for my lynch. Take it to 200 if you must, but then turbolynch Penguin. Let's do this.

Lynch me, then turbolynch PP*

I'm a named VT, as I seriously doubt my power ever comes into play. 1v1 scum is a good use for my life.

[Pine]

I don’t fucking know, but I don’t have an active power.

The only way PP is Town here is if there’s shenanigans with false results.

[Pine]

You know, it also occurs to me that, even if my power were active, PP-as-tracker would have TWO sets of results, as my power to intrinsically has two targets.

[Pine]

Pine seems like a really likely track target for town PP in hindsight

Like I said. Flip me, then nuke him but good.

[Pine]

This is the very rare instance where self-voting as Town is a good idea. I have a false guilty declared against me, so it's not acceptable that I don't get lynched. I don't know why PP did this, but he's signed his D4 death warrant.

Let's do this.

[Pine]

That's fine.

Do we have anyone following along who can go recruiting?

[Pine]

You know.

Alternatively, we could get Majiffy to post here, fulfilling both Ausuka's and my power conditions. I cupid PP and myself together, and we effectively lynch both of us D4. Everyone wins.

[Pine]

I wonder.

Also, I'm here. Questions that I can answer in a post?

Yeah, what the fuck possessed you to fake a guilty on me? Not only did I not go anywhere N2, I don't even have an active power.

And need I remind you that I wasn't even an active player N2?

Really, are you stoned?

[Pine]

Sure. Thing is, I didn't. So, you want to claim some kind of track-framer nonsense?

[Pine]

Actually, hot take.

I don't know if PP!scum ever does this

:/

I really don't know how to proceed, and I can't think of any role which could fake that result for him.

[Pine]

Fuck your twenty pages of spam. Anything worth reading?

[Pine]

And again, I’m fine with a Pine lynch. I have a declared guilty against me. I’m just questioning whether that makes PP guilty when I flip, and I don’t see any benefit to him faking the result :/

[Pine]

Again, from my perspective as the falsely-accused, I have every reason to believe that PP DOES get power from spam posting, but it's scum power.

When I flip Town, I want everyone to consider that getting to 1000 pages is probably an alternate scum wincon.

That said, I'll be dead and won't have to read anymore, and I don't mind losing a meme game angling for the record books so *hito shrug*

[Pine]

Need 6 more posters smh

UNVOTE:

This goddamn game.

Please PLEASE lynch me, just so I can get away from you fuckers.

[Pine]

I AM PLAYING TO MY WINCON

We have one scum down, and a guilty assertion against me. I'm trying to 1v1 Penguin, and you dicks won't pull the trigger.

When I came back in, we were at ~120 pages and slowing down. Now you people are actually spamming instead of just shitposting, and it's really frustrating.

I agree it's probably a good idea to get Ausuka to a prime number so she has a power, but it's infuriating to listen to all the bullshit.

[Pine]

mastina - This is mastina!Town, I think.
Jingle - Probably Town
Ausuka - Almost certainly Town
PenguinPower - IDFK. My gut says there's no scum motivation for claiming a false guilty, but there's no mechanic I know of to give false results to a tracker
Titus/pops/Tammy - Tonal Town read
Who/RC/Creature - I think this is the last scum by PoE, but more importantly, Creature going silent is telling. He's really easy to read as Town, and transparent as scum. In a hydra, I think he'd go silent on reading a scum role PM.
ofrhz - I have a broad TR on ohfrz, but it'll get sorted

[Pine]

^Better, Pops? It's a bit sparse, but I just don't have the wherewithal to sift through 200+ pages of bullshit to find you details.

[Pine]

Wait for the flip, my good man.

[Pine]

Nah Ausuka's legit here, I think. If she successfully faked a cop result on her own partner and didn't screw up the supporting details, she deserves a win. Occam's suggests she's telling the truth.

She probably eats the kill tonight, or at least gets roleblocked. Still, it's worth powering her up, if for no other reason than to force scum's hand on her.

Hell, on the off chance PP is telling the truth and simply got bad information somehow, having him Watch her is at least as good as a Cop result.

[Pine]

Yeah, you're Town this game.

Do me a favor, pops? You seem to be the only one willing to give me the time of day here.

On my flip, please make sure my sacrifice is not forgotten.

[Pine]

Looks like they’re just giving it away now.

(j/k Sky <3)

[Pine]

On my flip, please make sure my sacrifice is not forgotten.

Who are you again?

HATE

Do me a favor, pops? You seem to be the only one willing to give me the time of day here.

I am fully cognizant of the possibility you're town, btw. I'm leaning towards the opposite, mostly because penguin faking a guilty here doesn't make any sense, but I'm aware of what you being town would mean.

I'm also not really serious about my desire to force the game into a record book. That was mostly memeing and being drunk.

NEVER MIND YOU’RE OKAY NO HARD FEELINGS ABOUT THIS

[Pine]

if pine flips exactly the role he said he is and nothing else i think that should mean our slot is treated as clear.

95% of the time we're in the mini where we agreed Fumuki was scum and my paranoia was superfluous. The other 5% of the time is literally the only time that matters.

find a way to play around me still being potential scum after a non-roleblocker flip that gives me mechanical autowin and you can do whatever you want.

LYNCH THE SHIT OUT OF THIS POST

[Pine]

I have been a named VT all game. The only top 5 posters in Relationships to post here is UT, and he posted a bare vote on the mod. I’m not activated. I have no power to track.

[Pine]

Honestly that’s the whole case. I agree you are obligated to lynch me, you don’t question guilties outside of LYLO. My townflip proves my story.

Further, I never replace out of this as scum. Ever. That’s not my style.

[Pine]

btw i universally tell my scumbuddies to stop posting if they get confirmed scum

not do that.

RC you are such an arrogant fuck, the fact that you’ve never even really considered that I might be telling the truth is kind of insulting.

[Pine]

I'm legitimately considering the case where we lynch pongwin today.

Even better might be to get UT or Majiffy to post, fulfill my power condition, and let me Cupid myself to Penguin.

Today we lynch RC, or maaaaaybe Mastina. She’s a tough read and I kind of default to Town when she’s not posting.

[Pine]

didn't you just call me confirmed scum like 2 posts ago?
you're right. i am not considering the possibility of you being town. i think that it would be outlandish for PP to make this play in the way that he did if you are town and he is scum.

if i'm wrong then i'm wrong but i am never going to not vote you here and you calling me an "arrogant fuck" for playing mechanically optimally is very telling.

No, I didn't call you "confirmed scum". I said you were by biggest read outside of PP.

I'm not calling you out for voting me - I'm encouraging it. I'm calling you out for the dismissive and rude attitude. Mafia is adversarial, but it doesn't have to be petty.

Note that Pine went from "powerlynch RC after this" to "RC you arrogant fuck" back to "hey maybe we should consider lynching RC and co. today and then have the 1v1 with me and penguin the next day"

dunno. i don't think there's a shadow of a chance that pine is town here. them both being scum is worth considering, but this? nah.

None of that is inconsistent.

Jingle, you have to lynch me. The only way we don't lynch me is if we cupid me to someone scummy.

[Pine]

Dude, I can't quote your ISO. There's a character limit.

[Pine]

Seriously, is there anyone following along who isn't a player? Is it legal for players to go on their own alts to up the count? I've probably got a few alts and hydrae I wouldn't mind using to up the count.

[Pine]

Fire, you were invited to round out the numbers, my man.

But I'll talk to you.

Sup?

[Pine]

If anyone other than Pine is lynched today, you guys deserve to lose

.

Agreed.

We deserve to lose anyway, for giving in to the meme and not actually playing for ~80% of this game.

[Pine]

^I lol’d

Let’s do it already

[Pine]

Hmmm *looks at VC*

VOTE: Penguin

This is in fact better

[Pine]

Cool let’s do this

Penguin or Pine

End this

[Pine]

Lets go you cowards. More votes.

[Pine]

I'm not going to post from alts *eye roll*

Even if it weren't technically cheating, I would consider it so. Further, if I were going to do so, I'd have done it already. I don't cheat. Ever.

By the way, RC, if you were looking for incidents of you being rude and insulting, take a look at right now. You're being massively disrespectful.

Finally, I have NO INCENTIVE TO DO IT ANYWAY.

[Pine]

I'm not going to do it.

I don't cheat.

If I was going to do it I'd have done it by now.

We've played together enough that I'd have thought you'd get that I respect the integrity of the game. I've played my part, win lose or draw it's time to move on. DO it already.

[Pine]

VOTE: Pine

[Pine]

By my count that's L-1. Hammer it.

[Pine]

Whatever, RC.

Look, it’s twilight now, and I’m rethinking my SR on you. I don’t know that you behave like this in EOD as scum.

I haven’t lied, not even a little. I’m Town, and my Cupid power never activated. Penguin’s claim is either false or xyzzy not invented a new mechanic that can fuck with tracker results. I’m not inclined to believe the latter.

Just as you can’t let a guilty go without a lynch, neither can you let a false guilty stand. Lynch the shit out of PP.

Ausuka, your best investigation might be Mastina. She’s not giving much content at all to analyze, and per her own strategy for Cops, which I’m not going to go find a link to while phoneposting, you investigate where you have the least evidence.

[Pine]

Tree out

[Pine]

Ohfrz, please don't govern me. Even if I weren't telling the truth, I have no desire at all to stay in this clusterfuck of a game. It has to play out between PP and I to move on.

[Pine]

^Either I'm scum trying to trick you or I'm Town with Reasons to not be governed. Either way, it should indicate that I shouldn't be governed.

There. That ought to clear things up.

[Pine]

Pine I still don't understand why you were mad at me and I'd appreciate if you took the time to explain it now that the game is over.

Ummmm remind me where I was mad at you?

I don't really hold grudges, so it's in the past for me now.

[Pine]

UNVOTE:

We need to try to hammer this while Pine isn't around

Oh, the posting from alts thing.

Yeah, that was pretty fucking insulting. But like I said, I'd already forgotten it.

[Pine]

@Xyzzy if Pine posts from alt or Hydra accounts after hammer claiming s slip that would be considered cheating and wouldn't affect Ausukas role correct

Sorry, this is the more pertinent quote.

A less-personally-hurtful way to have asked this would be to query if it's legal, rather than "is this cheating." It's a subtle difference, but the former is a rules question, the latter is tantamount to an accusation.

What I found hurtful was the presumption that I would even consider something like that. We've played together quite a bit over the years, and even if we've never really been friends, I had assumed a degree of professional respect. I find cheating, even skirting or bending the rules, to be personally repugnant. A win where I had to resort to cheap tricks isn't a win. I'll do every kind of legal and above-board deception in the book, and even write a few new pages in said book, but I'd rather lose honorably than take an unearned victory.