Open 762: CK9++ [Over!]

[Korina]

VOTE COUNT 1.11

Thespio (5, L-2!):

Jackall711, Persivul, Dry-fit, James Brafin, Phillammon

Dry-fit (3):

Elastic Plastic, implosion, Sakura Hara

Phillammon (1):

Gamma Emerald

Persivul (1):

Doctor Drew

Sakura Hara (0):

implosion (0):

James Brafin (0):

Gamma Emerald (0):

Chemist1422 (0):

Jackal711 (0):

Doctor Drew (0):

Spangled (0):

Elastic Plastic (0):

No-Lynch (0):

Not Voting (3):

Spangled, Thespio, Chemist1422
With

13

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

(expired on 2019-07-31 21:10:00) remain in the day.

Mod Notes

:
- Remember: Flavor is just flavor. Don't use it to make arguments.
- I will be pseudo-V/LA until July 28th or 29th. While I will still be around, please submit all actions to the worst as well.
- Jackal711 is V/LA until July 26th, 2019.

[Korina]

[voteCHANGED MY MIND SEE BELOW]Thespio[/vote]

For reference when I post the VC, this is being counted as a vote, according to rule 3, under voting:

3.

If it looks like a vote as well, it is a vote.

[Phillammon]

VOTE: Chemist, then.

[Chemist1422]

I don't really like Chem's unvote the more I think about it.

Why not?

I can't speak to anyone else, but for me the unvote looks like "I want to look like i am pressuring Dry but I don't actually want them to die" with an added dose of "hey look, I was on the wagon as early as <whenever>" if they flip scum at some point.

Or it could just be me being genuinely worried about a wagon that I think moved too fast

[Elastic Plastic]

I don't really like Chem's unvote the more I think about it.

Why not?

I think in a vacuum unvotes always look as wolfy to me. It means they're not really using their vote to pressure effectively and jumping ship from a building wagon can be used as a way to gain towncred. Especially when they use an empty reason like "wagon-speed" to justify why they're suddenly townreading someone that they were willing to wagon just moments ago.

[implosion]

Phil is more obvtown than before.

Starting to hunch that thespio is town though I don’t have like good evidence for it

[Chemist1422]

Phil is more obvtown than before.

Starting to hunch that thespio is town though I don’t have like good evidence for it

You’re voting the counterwagon but you just now started having a hunch?

[implosion]

Correct!

[Chemist1422]

Correct!

Alright just checking

[Thespio]

Phil is more obvtown than before.

Starting to hunch that thespio is town though I don’t have like good evidence for it

you have evidence of other things?

[Jackal711]

Prod acknowledged, and my apologies for the lack of activity. My phone stopped working so I've been completely without internet since the post I made on Saturday.

@Mod: I hate to do it but it's best for the game if I replace out. I will be completely without internet until payday, which is the 1st of August. Which also happens to be my birthday and I'll be out of town that weekend.

[Korina]

Jackal711 requests replacement. Seeking replacement. (expired on 2019-07-24 17:41:00) till deadline paused at 8d, 3hr, 30min.

[Korina]

Formerfish replaces Jackal711 effective now.

[Formerfish]

Alright, I have no games going on, no life to be spoken of and a whole lot of shit to talk.

Hello to those who'll expect one from me, its nice to see you all and hope that we can play nice together, unless your scum, then we can play whatever way you want as long as it ends with your neck in a noose and town forgetting you ever existed past your death.

To those who don't know me, I'm a narcissist who recognizes it and I am able to work well with others as long as they see my plans are the best and will lead us to winning in the fastest and most spectacular ways possible. Game references will be given upon request.

This next clip should explain who I am a little better. Please relax and press play and Mr. Baldwin will take it from there:

So I'm here to bring that BDE and solve this game here and now because once scum realizes who the fuck I am I probably dont make it through the night.

Who wants to tell me what I should know before doing a readthrough?

[Formerfish]

No one?

Its cool. The bowl is packed, the beer is cold and the chicken is marinating.

Lets get it.

[Formerfish]

why hello there

Yo

Was imps post to chem, or was that just good timing?

You guys against rvs votes?

[Formerfish]

VOTE: Persivul

whats your process for picking who you vote in RVS? Why not make this vote in your first post if you are just going to make it naked.

[Formerfish]

@mod V/LA for two days

Noted.
-Kor

but before I go..

VOTE: Persivul

I dont like the lva and then a vote, i feel like the opposite should have been done if you werent going to be around.

Who wants to come back from vacation and find that the person they vote parked on was town and that they are going to get lynched next because of that vote?

Scum wouldnt have that issue because they can either sit it on a townie and hope that town eats itself, or they sit it on a partner and hope that they can gain some cred for being on that wagon early. So is this a distancing vote, or is this scum looking to take out pers?

[Formerfish]

UNVOTE: I'd prefer not to get a wagon rolling quite that hard in the RVS, thanks

You voted Gamma and then 1 person voted after you, 2 posts later you unvote because things are moving too fast.

You seem like the type of guy who goes out on a date, is having a nice time, and then suddenly you drive the girl back to her place and kick her out because she might not kiss you at the end of the date.

We have to have wagons to get claims to evaluate play and find scum.

Have the scum given up in your past games, or do you have some sort of scum hunting ability that doesnt involve where people votes on who and when?

[Formerfish]

VOTE: jackal

I remember you from when I used to play ages ago.

And by ages ago......5 years ago.

Are you a secret alt or are you out?

[Formerfish]

Hey everyone, I’m James Brafin.
Some things to know:

I policy vote/lynch toxicity. Period.

I don’t want it in my game. It’s no fun for anyone.
I don’t like RVS. I’ve heard it said that it builds information, but how can you build information on no foundation? So I’m abstaining my vote. When I put it up you can assume your RVS is over.
I’m also doing a touch of research to improve my preliminary reads, so if I ask a weird question just play along.

Speaking of weird questions, I’d appreciate it if everyone would answer this:
If you could live anywhere, where would it be and why?
For me, it’s somewhere in the north, where you get decent snow. Nebraska, maybe?
Thanks,
JB

So you are the sole decider in what is toxic? I dont think you and I are going to get along in games if thats really how you feel.

RVS is important because it gives context to things that happen later. These are the building blocks the entire game is going to be built around. Its like rings in trees, if someone is absent for a period of time that gets noted and placed away for later. Posts that are made now can be forgotten about and then contradicted later on and you can catch someone in that lie. You might not understand why RVS is important or how it could be useful, but that seems to be a deficit you endure in not being able to see this for the long game that it is.

And I'm not answering your question because it has no bearing where I want to be because my choice means nothing about my alignment. Keep acting busy though, I suggest a better question to use if you like RQS, maybe something that would show you something about peoples character or decision making process.

[Formerfish]

Okay I'm done trolling. Btw I realize that might be a pain in the ass to read so if anyone is having trouble I'll post a translation to normie talk.
Also @Sakura uhhhhh you voted me at the start and just now remember who I am, what?

I figured this was what you were doing, but why? Shits and giggles?

I have never seen you play this way.

[Formerfish]

Anyway.

Town:
Gamma
James
Jackal

Why to any of those?

[Formerfish]

A brief search suggests you do this every game, but I still don't like that at all.

Ok, this is scummy. You meta dive the guy to see that this is something he does across all games, but you vote him anyways? Is he going to be able to argue out of the position you know is already indefensible because it is legit NAI?

[Formerfish]

No, I'm voting them because they are refusing to volunteer information that'll help me form a read on them, and applying pressure is a good way to

force

them to volunteer information that'll help me form a read on them.

What information did JB refuse to provide, a vote?

He may have said he isnt going to vote for a joke reason, but he is trying to produce content in another way, with RQS. Its a pretty big misrep to say he wasn't giving you anything you could read him on, he just isnt randomly voting. You could engage him on why, or see who pushes him and why.

I have seen plenty of people as town buck against the RVS system so that they could act as a lightening rod for scum hunting low hanging fruit. Scum isnt going to avoid rvs, they are going to do things to fuck with it for later when it matters more.