Mini Normal 2076: Game Over

[Performer]

Sup

[Performer]

I think NM is the only one here I've played with before. So far on par with what I remember.

This is not true at all.

I’m an informed Miller who knows there isn’t any Loyal modifiers and there is a total of 4 scum. -Morality

*chokes on food*

Hi

Hello

[Performer]

Hey pp,

not much, got 2 townreads so far.
good to see someone else in a close age range. Been awhile.
How's life been?

[Performer]

I've been through some things. Lost a job recently, got a new one recently. Moving out of the bay area . Looking for an affordable apt or studio.

I have schadd & vork so far as town. Still sorting others.

[Performer]

@pp
my read on schadd has been due to his posts 50, 87, 91, 103. There was a game where I was scum and luckyotter was town, my agenda that game included pocketing lucky to eventually get him mislynched. and he did get mislynched later in the game because I added into the paranoia that lucky was town, and I knew people would get paranoid that nobody could be so townie that long AND live so far.

schadd moderated that game...so I'm going off that basis of his read on lucky in this game. not sure if lucky is scum or town though, but I'm working off the townblock from what's been posted so far.

[Performer]

Sorry to hear, but glad you got a new one.

yeah, the new supervisor and another new person in upper mgmt, I'm not sure what exactly transpired but it made me certain on one thing. how your mgrs manage folks and if they work hard or give up on you in a company, is worth a ton if not more than the income made in a role.

I moved on and I'm not looking back at that place .

[Performer]

Also I still want the N_M policy

Let's lynch scum instead of policy lynches. also I see you voted nm, then changed to redemption, then advocated you're still wanting the nm policy. bizarre.

Performer - if you were happy to name your two townreads when PP asked, why not name them as a matter of course when writing 124?

it was provided that way so people would ask, and then I could hopefully get a better read on someone if they asked about it. what came about from that was an extra tr.

maybe mjl is town bc it looks like this sort of thing is just what she does

??

[Performer]

Also, cdb's 130 call out of mary's 71 is odd to me. How is that anti town? the most I could get from that after rereading over and over, was a slight town tone. because it looks like she's simply wondering about the setup.

also want to hear more from lil uz & nm (who hasnt posted in over 2 days).

[Performer]

schadd, why do you still think lucky is a good vote?

[Performer]

So

@Mod

are we keeping Redemption or not? I'm not clear on the rules, so I'd like to know the status of this player.

I'm actually waiting for zuck to get replaced asap as we have a slot hole there. if redemp seriously requests replace out, that's up to him & the mod.

Why so interested in that? thoughts on the gamestate or reads right now?

[Performer]

still want to see an answer to my question to schadd about mary.

I'm guessing nm's vote was on cdb? because that's the closest thing to a danny devito - cdb's profile photo lol

[Performer]

No all those are wrong

lol...

[Performer]

VOTE: mary

[Performer]

How many people are currently townreading LUV?

probably 0, including me.

Performer - if you were happy to name your two townreads when PP asked, why not name them as a matter of course when writing 124?

it was provided that way so people would ask, and then I could hopefully get a better read on someone if they asked about it. what came about from that was an extra tr.

I put it to you that if this was enough to give you a townread, then literally any reply to your post would have given you a townread. Really?

I'm familiar with pp and I prefer working with people I know more than strangers in a game, and even moreso if I've known them for awhile.
His interaction & tone of his ISO sounds like it comes from town.

[Performer]

I had been at L-1 with Vorkuta's vote and no one called it?

according to my count, I don't think anyone's been at L-1 .

also , how pika can tell nm is slightly town indicative because of his nickname applications, is funny. as someone who's seen & played with nm of both alignments, so far I don't have a good enough read (null) on him.

[Performer]

Performer’s naked vote implies he shares the same thoughts as Vork on Mary Jo.

However I expect an older player not to vote Mary Jo for that reason.

I voted mary due to the awkward 226 & who even talks like that in 247 ??
Additionally she's been asking about rookie questions despite having fm experience already, and denied answering my gamestate+reads question.

I've also removed schadd from my town block as I've gotten a strange feeling from his iso, and from reviewing a newbie town game of his along with my recollection of our town game with rc (who got outraged at us mislynching him sigh). He isn't being as engaging as his town meta in here.

[Performer]

Just looking at the lurker pool (haven't been present enough) in psyche, luv, redemption, nm, ge, my thoughts are this:
GE I've typically had a ridiculously hard time reading, along with nm. Don't know who the first 3 are though

If people have meta with the first 3, now is a great time to provide it imo

[Performer]

{penguin}
{cdb}
{psyche, redemption}
{mjl, nm}
{vorkuta, gamma, luv}
{lucky otter, detective pikachu, performer}

First of all... schadd you crack me up.
Secondly, Why are vork or pika so far in? Also, disagree with the lucky otter read.

I'm told penguin posts a lot as town so I buy that.

from the surface, I wouldn't think he posts more as scum or town.....so don't know where you get this info from for pp.

[Performer]

Performer, are you trying to pocket me again? Oh shucks. I had a slight town read on you anyway.

I'm also seeing schadd's reads in reverse, or nearly. CDB too high (null for me, might just be trying to look busy), gamma, vork and performer too low (although, schadd do you mean that the second to last tier is null and you have several layers of townreads above it?). I'm ok with Penguin high and Pika low for now.

On that note, I'm not crazy about the votes going on Gamma. I don't see it. Any of you want to elaborate?

Psyche, now would be a great time to start chiming in.

I did another ISO of you earlier in the phase and thought this is the typical "lucky is likely town" game. This time I'm town.

[Performer]

Anything fun happen in your scum!PT while you were out?

VOTE: Redemption as elsa's inactive
Update on game state please and thank you

Hold on...elsa jay is in here??
Also, vork asking about scum pt assumes there is daychat in the question.

Wtf a proper and game related question coming from N_M?
What happened? WHAT CHANGED?

Also lawl at schadd getting lynched 3 times

cant tell if youre being sarcastic or serious but nm DOES play the game behind the bulk of his trolling...

[Performer]

lucky is this your main ? do you have any alts? running a meta check.

[Performer]

VOTE: Pikachu

As great as it sounds that pp+vork say redemp is town, I want to see a colored reads list from redemp (and yes I have a reason for asking about this)

[Performer]

There's an overwhelming amount of real content

Definitely disagree with this assessment.

[Performer]

Busy holiday weekend, should be catching up tomorrow

[Performer]

I dont like this vote from schadd without reason, I dont like the ub claim either from pika, it makes no sense at all.

I think the reads list from redemption is coming from town, and the replace in from chen is very odd with the vote and unvote of pp.

Psyches wall posting is hard to understand.

[Performer]

What else is fishy: tried engaging Mary earlier and she ignored it, now she replied to pika. S and s there or plain annoying are my theories about that.

To answer whoever asked me - I have a shadd town. I think my computer notes had lucky, pp, and vork town still . Hadn't had a chance to get on the computer so im phone posting atm.

[Performer]

Lucky i don't know who's vote on chen that you're talking about . Mod can we get a vc?

I have pika and chen as the top 2 candidates .

Cdb i'm having some trouble sorting. Schadd interactions, such as his ones with pika, made me lean town pm him.

[Performer]

Town on him*

Autocorrect phone issues.

[Performer]

What else is fishy: tried engaging Mary earlier and she ignored it, now she replied to pika. S and s there or plain annoying are my theories about that.

To answer whoever asked me - I have a shadd town. I think my computer notes had lucky, pp, and vork town still . Hadn't had a chance to get on the computer so im phone posting atm.

I'm so sorry, did I miss a question from you?

I'd like to see a readslist .

[Performer]

I dont like this vote from schadd without reason, I dont like the ub claim either from pika, it makes no sense at all.

I think the reads list from redemption is coming from town, and the replace in from chen is very odd with the vote and unvote of pp.

Psyches wall posting is hard to understand.

1. See prev. question on schadd
2. Why don't you buy the UB claim?
3. Say some more about chen and why you think his voting is odd
4. Do you see Psyche's wall posting as alignment indicative?

What question on schadd...?

I cant say anything more about the claim but I dont buy it. His read list of putting me, schadd and you as his highest scumreads, is also too bizarre.

Psyches wall posting is confusing to understand and that makes me less trusting of it. Hard to even know his stances on people, which makes me unwilling to add him to my town block.

[Performer]

Lucky i don't know who's vote on chen that you're talking about . Mod can we get a vc?

I have pika and chen as the top 2 candidates .

Cdb i'm having some trouble sorting. Schadd interactions, such as his ones with pika, made me lean town pm him.

You said "I don't like this vote from schadd without reason." which vote are you referring to?

From a catchup, I think he naked voted me. Even though i think he's town, that's a questionable vote from schadd. Which...nobody inquired about, interestingly

[Performer]

Redemption discussing the DP movie is scummy because it feels like a substitute for actually playing

Says the guy who doesn't reply shit when asked to emphasize on his single-sentenced reads.

CDB’s activity levels are unacceptable tbh

You're no one talk actually. He may be inactive but he still has done more than you did for us.

I agree with this

I want to add that I think nm grows clearer later in the game in terms of alignment. That's my take based on observation of his games and past games with him...including the game moderated by pp where he refused to believe bbt was scum, while we were both prs, and we lost in lylo.

[Performer]

That’s a weird one.

what's a weird one?

VORKUTA VERY OFFICIAL 1000!% GUARANTEED TO BE CORRECT VOTE COUNT VOLUME 2

Detective Pikachu:

Performer, ChannelDelibird, PenguinPower, Not_Mafia, Redemption (5)

Redemption:

MaryJoLisa (1)

Chennisden:

schadd_ (1)

MaryJoLisa:

Lil Uzi Vert (1)

Lil Uzi Vert:

LuckyOtter (1)

schadd_:

Detective Pikachu, Vorkuta

Guys go vote somewhere:

Psyche, Chennisden (2)

Thanks!

Most other people who've been wagoned feel like lynchbait
I want to poke around here
VOTE: Schadd

pedit
ikr- honestly tempted to L-1/hammer as I previously said as I don't buy the UB claim and that's probably the way it's going to go but *shrugs*

vork have you any experience with anybody here??....I don't even know how many times you've vote hopped by now...

[Performer]

mjl do you have any intuitions about the difference bt your town and scum game

why would you ask mary about her meta differences...

[Performer]

VOTE: chenn
only about 3 days left to deadline

my strongest scumreads are still pikachu & chenn.

[Performer]

other interesting things noted from chenn's iso (based on likelihood of red flip): defense of pikachu multiple times, saying pp/schadd/redemption aren't townie

[Performer]

vork have you any experience with anybody here??

Hi again to Not_Mafia, Gamma Emerald, LUV, Penguin, and schadd, and hey to the rest of you!

Technically schadd was a mod and my "ongoing" game with chennis just ended

+1

I did a quick check & saw you & pp were there too with chen.

[Performer]

Hey Vorkuta...you think my tone here is similar to our recent Open game?

that's funny because I myself can't meta read you that well, pp...which also brings me back to thinking mary's reads list about me was strange. she said I largely relied on tone reading? That's not the whole picture, it's just one of many things I use in scum and town hunting (this is just an elaboration @mary).

[Performer]

mary stated redemp as her only scum read, then stated due to a deadline and being unable to convince people, that she'll just sheep onto a pika or chen lynch. and in her reads, it sounded like she thought pika was town due to the pr claim.

so after all that tunneling for redemption scum, this post of a change of vote is downright fishy.

[Performer]

I'd like to hear a reads list from LUV, and after rereading redemp's reads list, it makes no sense that he said schadd & I posted sufficient content yet are NULL. Lol...?

[Performer]

@anyone, legit question, what happens if our mod doesn't come back? Can we call for a backup mod? Should I go scour Arden looking for him?

Also, is that why activity has kinda died down? Or are people just ready to settle on pikachu?

I've seen in at least 1 game that the normal queue mod or another administrative staff will step in to resume the moderation duties. In that case, the host (if no valid reason) will get punished in some way for severely failing moderation duties . In terms of Arden, I hope you don't mean Arden area in Sacramento lol.

Activity dying is worrisome because that's very conducive for scum, and I'm not sure where you got the idea that we're settling on pika....we've not been a very unified group.

Since the mod didn't update his recent vc and it's been awhile, I propose an idea to pp: that we have someone come help resume moderation duties today.

[Performer]

I don't really have a strong position in this game, period. I see Redemption as scummy and I saw Vorkuta throwing him some cover. When I figured out that the player is not new at all to this game, I pointed it out and Vorkuta didn't seem phased by my revelation. For that, I thought Vorkuta might have been Redemption's partner.

I see it as unlikely for scum to play the way vork has been playing. why do you say vork covered redemption when he wasn't the only one? pp did too iirc.

I trust pp a lot, and am a little trusting of vork due to his town meta (though we've never played before). This is assuming that these 2 are town, which I still have town reads on.

[Performer]

In terms of Arden, I hope you don't mean Arden area in Sacramento lol.

I used to live and work in that area! Here's a tip: avoid that area at all cost in the summer time.

!!!!!!!!

I actually have a high heat tolerance so I enjoy warmer weather. Do you have any tips for me in terms of renting an apt or studio? I've been looking for an affordable place...

[Performer]

Votecount

Detective Pikachu: Performer, ChannelDelibird, PenguinPower, Not_Mafia, Redemption (5)
Redemption: MaryJoLisa (1)
Chennisden: schadd_ (1)
MaryJoLisa: Lil Uzi Vert (1)
Lil Uzi Vert: LuckyOtter (1)
schadd_: Detective Pikachu, Vorkuta
not voting: Psyche, Chennisden (2)

*accurate as of end of pg 36

[Performer]

Yes I have tips! Don't move there!

If you do, get yourself in walking distance of the light rail or at least only one bus stop away. Sacramento does have a good public transportation system, but waiting for the next train in the middle of summer is miserable.

But Sacramento County is a good area...better than bay area by miles. I also have access to reliable transportation so I'll plan to get a connect transit card as a backup plan. I'm very good at protecting myself from scorching sun with a cap, long sleeves, sunblock, shade usage, and strong understanding of my skin's limits lol. (I don't need much protection against scorching heat)

PP what is the likelihood of a universal backup being in this game?

Extremely, EXTREMELY unlikely. and this is coming from someone who is highly protective of prs.

regarding chen, I believe I and others have detailed why he's scum? his mention of those 3 being unlikely town, makes me think those 3 are likelier town.

[Performer]

ALSO, based on the reviewers of this setup, I'm not believing a ub is possible. That's all I can say about that for now.

[Performer]

This is fake reasoning. GiF designed the setup and reviewers probably went with what he wanted the setup to go with. You want to pretend that you're angle-shooting the setup based on the reviewers to a GiF game?

I am part of the NRG so I understand how certain folks review. I have you as not town because of the super fishy claim along with having lucky/schadd/me as scum reads.

[Performer]

N_M suddenly starts aggressively pushing me and shading Psyche as soon as I start voting Performer

???

[Performer]

Not_Mafia you ever going to say why you want to lynch me or are you just going to keep sheeping whatever wagon is in the lead?

Shut up scum

although it's rather pointless to ask wisdom, nm, and similar players of their reasoning...I also dont know why nm has been so adamant on a pika lynch today

i think chenn is an ok lynch
haven't really taken the time to re-read things one last time yet though

I dont even remember why you are ok with a chenn lynch.

[Performer]

I am part of the NRG so I understand how certain folks review. I have you as not town because of the super fishy claim along with having lucky/schadd/me as scum reads.

I'm warming up to the otter actually. And I'm also part of the NRG and I think that this argument is complete garbage, this seems like an incredibly faked angle shoot from you and easily dismissed.

HOLD UP

you are?! Who are you!? I find this very hard to believe as I don't recall any of our staff having alts.

[Performer]

What's NRG?

We're the site's team that reviews and passes setups before they're ever run...including this setup being run by GIF.

[Performer]

I have alts

This is news to me

[Performer]

I am part of the NRG so I understand how certain folks review. I have you as not town because of the super fishy claim along with having lucky/schadd/me as scum reads.

I'm warming up to the otter actually. And I'm also part of the NRG and I think that this argument is complete garbage, this seems like an incredibly faked angle shoot from you and easily dismissed.

HOLD UP

you are?! Who are you!? I find this very hard to believe as I don't recall any of our staff having alts.

If this is a lie, I swear to god...

[Performer]

Who reviewed the setup and where are you seeing that? I don't see it in the first post.

Radiantcowbells & mastina.

Per the Former:

are you worried you'll get lynched / run up at some point this game?

yes I am but why would you ask me this weird question

[Performer]

@pikachu I DONT BELIEVE YOUR CLAIM EITHER,

but I'm not going to go into why today . Anyway, I think I've made myself clear enough.

Now all of a sudden you say you're a part of our team, that schadd knows your alt, and you're keeping a tight lip on you're alt in the nrg ? If anything that sequence of events make me more suspicious.

[Performer]

even the reason of voting schadd for something about meming, is scummy (from pika)

[Performer]

One of the problems that is helping scum is also that psyche/nm/cdb/luv haven't been easy to read.

So I want to see who the replacement will be for cdb (been over 6 days)

[Performer]

I would think it more likely they would work to modify the setup to be conducive to a UB if he wanted one. Been awhile since I reviewed a game though.

Ok so why have you been ignoring Performer pushing this load of crappy fake angle-shooting at me? Now he wants to pretend he hasn't figured out who I am yet, his entire load of incredulity looks really fake

I'm not even voting you anymore, and the continued ignoring of my question is so real that it hurts.

[Performer]

Something is starting to make me think that you're something_smart

[Performer]

Pika, that's not the thing I'm getting at. Obviously ub is allowable by itself in a setup. the balancing issues make that entirely a different matter

[Performer]

If pika somehow does flip green, looking at the vc and what's transpired itt - I would need to reevaluate nm/schadd/mary/cdb .

[Performer]

If you're so sure I'm scum, who are my partners?

[Performer]

I think you're just resorting to open wolfing now.

[Performer]

/per

Ugh nvm my question, apparently I have terrible memory/reading comprehension at times

[Performer]

I don't think schadd and redemption are scum together, but schadd/performer/NM seems fine, schadd/performer/MJL seems fine, schadd/performer/CDB seems fine.

Is your only reason for thinking me and Performer are a scum team is because we're both from Sacramento?

I'm not from Sacramento.


And as pleasant as mary has been , if nm+mary are a team, I wouldn't be surprised.

[Performer]

VOTE: Danny Devito

You ever going to say Performer's name in this entire game? Let alone a read or a reaction to the conversation at hand?

He actually doesn't mention me at all from a quick glance of his ISO .

That's a good point . nm why are you townreading me?

[Performer]

And as pleasant as mary has been , if nm+mary are a team, I wouldn't be surprised.

So are you scum with N_M and Mary then?

Still town here. Also the amount of weird questions in this game that I fail to see the point in, are going to be the death of me.

[Performer]

think everyone who's posted in the last few pages are probably town

i guess i have luv chenn pp

If I were a vig...

well, I think everyone knows what I would say next.

[Performer]

my strongest scumreads are still pikachu & chenn.

Why chenn?

that's funny because I myself can't meta read you that well, pp

If you can't meta read me well then...

I trust pp a lot

...why do you trust me a lot?

Partly because I can work with you, we've played together before, you're easy to understand. And yes...I am biased but a lot of people are biased.

chenn because his replace in was suspect & his predecessor was lacking. his scum reads of pp & schadd jumped out at me since I have pp/lucky/schadd/vork as town.

On another note, The lasts 2 posts from redemption are odd & I've yet to see luv's answer to my question

[Performer]

do you realize i literally NEVER defend pikachu if i'm scum?

if im scum i just vote pikachu and say "hi pikachu is scum"

and if we're both scum then i am practically gamethrowing

I can see a world where if you're both scum, then it makes sense for you to avoid the wagon.

But if you're town...why are you town reading pika?

also if I'm scum, why on earth would I go onto an entirely different wagon rather than just sit on pika and let someone quick hammer.

[Performer]

i think chenn is an ok lynch
haven't really taken the time to re-read things one last time yet though

chen , thoughts about this?


thinking aloud: the above with "i guess i have luv chenn pp" along with the past # of pgs between nm/mary/etc and looking at the vcs, make me wonder about a luv, redem, psyche, nm, cdb type of team.

-------------
*did a quick current vc
Redemption:
Psyche:
Performer: pikachu, chenn
Not_Mafia:
Detective Pikachu: ChannelDelibird, Not_Mafia (voted pika several times over and over), Redemption, schadd_
ChannelDelibird:
chennisden: PenguinPower, Performer
LuckyOtter:
MaryJoLisa: Lil Uzi Vert, LuckyOtter
Vorkuta:
Lil Uzi Vert:
PenguinPower:
schadd_: Vorkuta
Not Voting: Psyche, MaryJoLisa


*previous vc, accurate as of end of pg 36
Detective Pikachu: Performer, ChannelDelibird, PenguinPower, Not_Mafia, Redemption (5)
Redemption: MaryJoLisa (1)
Chennisden: schadd_ (1)
MaryJoLisa: Lil Uzi Vert (1)
Lil Uzi Vert: LuckyOtter (1)
schadd_: Detective Pikachu, Vorkuta
not voting: Psyche, Chennisden (2)

[Performer]

id still be into flashwagoning uzi

as appealing as that sounds, I think it's best to wait for cdb & uzi slots to be replaced. I don't see much point in flash wagoning either of those atm

[Performer]

if you think they're scum what does waiting for the replace do

if someone is voted, the voter should be doing so because they're fine with the lynch for the day. Just because someone is scummy doesn't make it a better idea for them to be lynched over someone else. Given what's happened since cdb slot has posted & that luv (proposed flash wagon from schadd) has missed out on a bunch of posts ever since he last posted, I'll wait.

[Performer]

UNVOTE:

Busy weekend as usual, will be able to post more by tomorrow

[Performer]

Thanks to everyone who was patient and waited, as (WOW you guys posted 16+ pgs) I'm not as active if at all , on weekends.

I'm a ub

AHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA
No

INTENT

Friendly reminder that I also hate this claim

+1 you're not alone in this thinking

BUT, I don't think dp should be hammered

[Performer]

nm - his continued willingess to put dp as scum along with his bare reads list, make me ambivalent. More null than anything at the moment. On one hand he did put a show of faith by bringing up a reads list, which is a lot more than I've seen in any game I've been with nm in iirc. If there's a tier just for nm, he's in it right now


pp - the 1st alarm bell for me was his naked vote of me on pg 48 after chen's repost of my 2 vc counts there. Also, his continued revoting of dp has been somewhat fishy. His point about if a ub flips and is really a town ub, being a better risk than another pr being outed...I think that's slightly town indicative (pr protection) though I don't think I've ever heard of this type of thinking before. More null to me though than anything because that naked vote was an alarm bell. Null

[Performer]

luv - Though I like his pg 48 wall post, his reads list on pg 47 was really, really odd and bare - with him town reading red, vork, pp (probably pocketing pp since the 2 of them are familiar with each other?). Immediately after that post he agreed quickly with pp's proposal to lynch chen. pg 47 read to me like a psyche+luv possible scum team, which makes sense to me seeing as there has been disunity in who to lynch. Looking at 47, luv was fine with a chen lynch while psyche said he needed more "tension" and later was open to flash wagoning nm. dichotomy from luv & psyche, who've been hard to read, is a classic scum tell from my experience


psyche - he brough up a # of helpful platitudes but...I don't remember the last time he even voted. Also his ISO has a pattern of going along with consensus vote such as "i'd be open (to an nm flash wagon)" and he even said he was starting to come around to seeing chen as scum iirc. More often than not, a player like this is not town

mary - this slot has been making me town read and scum read it all over the place. For example on pg 49, does scum make a post like 1208? However, the slot fell apart once again to a scum read once she kept up the interaction about Sacramento, said she distrusted my setup speculation yet couldn't have a valid reason as to why, the rest of her iso has been sporadic, and I got the feeling she was role fishing on pg 46. I disagree with chen's analysis about mary being town according to what I've seen this game. Like what was chen basing his town read on mary on, even??

VOTE: psyche

[Performer]

she kept up the interaction about Sacramento,

also for clarity, I DO enjoy that you were helpful , mary!

It's just that when you brought in the "you'll think of me when you go shopping for your apt," that seemed like it was a super weird fluff post that I didn't think town would've made

[Performer]

chen - pg 48 sounds like it comes from town. My doubt of chen being scum began when he brought up a great point about if he was scum, then he would've been fine with dp the lead wagon, being lynched. yet when he replaced in, he defended pika hardcore - which I think wouldn't be a great idea if he & pika were scum. a small part of me keeps wondering if chen+pika scum team makes sense but with what's been posted from the 2 along with that ub claim, I'm not stubborn and willing to forego my skepticism this phase about those 2

dp - his game solving improved considerably since his time of lurk earlier this phase, and his talk with me regarding his role & setup speculation, sounded like it came from frustrated town

nom - just came from a game where we were both town and worked closely together despite some disagreements at points. Her points made on page 61 are also awesome. I'm seeing nom as town

vork - his vote on me was sudden but the rest of his ISO still doesn't make me think it's got a scum agenda, so thinking he's town. His 1520 is a great analysis from him and I think that's town indicative, especially as I was one of the reviewers for that game where Morality (who has a strong scum reputation) was against town Vorkuta. I think his paranoia about a scum perf is coming from town, and I'll be honest - many of the things I say can be from any alignment but again, I'm town

schadd - still a town read partly because of 861, partly because of poe and meta when we were town in a micro game with rc (who got mad at us). his vote and later, a revote of dp - has me wondering though...but this is probably better for a later phase to bite into

lucky - on pgs 48-49, brought up again that he thought I was pocketing him, which is getting fishy because it started sounded like an excuse. I like the logic from those pgs & I don't trust redemp either but I wouldn't put redemp into a d2 sort/solve. Town lucky from a game we had in the past, tries to get the best lynch possible and he's been rallying us for a better lynch in his strong game solving posts. If I didn't say this before, I'll say this now - lucky should be protective target #1.

pedit: also I just realized I forgot I was missing redemp from the reads lists, and I don't have him as town. Thinking he's more null than anything else

[Performer]

your reads are surface-level, performer
you'd do better to think in terms of motives and personalities than behavioral patterns left unlinked to psychological states

I was looking at folks in terms of motives and personalities as well as un-patterned behaviors and patterns. I'm a combo guy.

[Performer]

she kept up the interaction about Sacramento,

also for clarity, I DO enjoy that you were helpful , mary!

It's just that when you brought in the "you'll think of me when you go shopping for your apt," that seemed like it was a super weird fluff post that I didn't think town would've made

I was just trying to be friendly.

I'm sorry mary but I don't think you're town

that's a flaw

I appreciate your honesty and constructive criticism

[Performer]

a maybe interesting thing is that your scum and town read seem pretty neatly divided between behavior and motive/personality reads, respectively
i suppose it's the nature of the game's difficulty

if this is a psychological analysis about me playing with some biases , you're absolutely right and I carry biases irl as well. But I'd like to think I have biases and can be objective, based on the context. a game hosted by pp with nm & I being masons, a game hosted by schadd where I was scum and lucky was town and a bulk of the players knew each other - which caused some trust between them because they believed they could more easily read friends than strangers...that's a part of the game . makes it difficult and fun.

considering what's happened in d1 and the deadline being about 2 days away,
can we get a reads list?

[Performer]

I'm not sure we reach a Psyche lynch today, just like I believe we do not reach a Vorkuta lynch today.

I'm just debating internally if I want to risk the UB flip on a player that's been irrational, or just want to propose the vote on Chennis who has just been odd in general. Living with this spot for too long can cause town some trouble.

Why are people town reading psyche?? Considering what he has done (and also what he has not done). I also don't think vork is a good lynch...I'm willing to consolidate onto any of my scum reads and probably null reads, but I'd need to hear something compelling for the latter.

regarding the 2nd part - yeah I know what you mean

[Performer]

I'm fine with a chenn lynch but it also feels too much like a free lunch, yknow? I need more...tension.

i'd be open i guess

my gut now says chenn is genuine and town
but it's just a gut

luv/psyche/nm/mary/pp/red

Some combination of these makes the most sense to me . Also if dp/chen make it far this game without dying, that'll be suspicious.

ub is way too convenient a scum claim but after more interactions with dp, I got too hesitant about him...I admit that part of it is because of his debate with me coming from his standpoint of being on the same nrg team as me...

[Performer]

in general your idea that i don't extensively talk about reported my reads paired w the overall shallowness of your read explanation has given me the sense that you've given my iso surprisingly little analysis given where your vote is laying

those were just a few parts
ok let's say we just go with your iso.

from a glance , you have nm scum? yet you said our standards of him are... "low" ?....
why is your read on chen being town?

[Performer]

@nom I'm trying to wrap my head around chen being scum as you're saying it's likely that he is. because I'd imagine scum would come into the gamestate where dp was lead wagon, and chen could easily just sit on the wagon , right? Whereas I'd expect town likely comes in, and it's likelier they say "wait a minute I don't think this is scum"....which was what happened from chen.

There IS a possibility where both of them are scum however, and the fact that dp (if I am right about his main & he has a ton of setup knowledge too) is a brilliant fm player capable of faking a ub claim....I'm trying to reconsider this, if we don't get a psyche lynch.
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@nm you WOULD say tldr

[Performer]

It also seems to me like if UB was such an extraordinarily rare and powerful role, Detective Pikachu would not fake that as scum. Wouldn’t scum!DP choose something more likely? Pikachu claims to be a part of the setup review group, so I think he'd be capable of selecting a more believable role if he was faking it.

Performer is not a particularly active player and sometimes I find that scum put in minimal effort and just let town run themselves around in circles so we kill each other. Performer specifically went AWOL when I started calling out his reasoning for voting for Detective Pikachu. To me, that reinforces my belief that Performer is scum who is trying to take out a town PR. If Performer flips green, then that’s another story.

It's not a rare role but it's a brilliant claim if it's a fake claim from scum dp. that's because it's a harder role to confirm than say, vigilante or mason. why would you think scum dp would select a better role???

Me not being active is nai though you're right that scum typically puts in minimal effort. i never went awol when you called out my reasoning...point me to what questions you still have for me please.

[Performer]

I'll be honest. I could settle for a NM lynch here. But I have odd reasons for it, and the back of my mind tells me straying away from Chenn and DP is a bad idea.

I'm really trying to think through all possibilities . something I realized is that we'll eventually have to lynch dp anyway if he survives long. it's a ton of wifom.
+
his insistence on me being scum is also absurd

[Performer]

All this talk about how everyone else has so much more knowledge of the setup makes me feel very out of my element.

I'm sorry

There's a part of me that's saying "trust those with even more experience or have made good points " like pp/nm/schadd (even more experience than I) and nom (good points), so a chen lynch is probably what we'll end up with...(and if it's possible, I'm open to consolidating onto other options like red or luv)


Also I don't know if this was said already but psyche needs to be vigged if he does not die.
there was a time I'd suggest nm but he has potential

[Performer]

VC

Redemption:
Psyche:
Performer: Detective Pikachu, chennisden, MaryJoLisa, vork
Not_Mafia:
Detective Pikachu (l-2): Not_Mafia, Redemption, schadd_, pp, lucky,
nomnomnom: dp
chennisden: nom, performer
LuckyOtter:
MaryJoLisa: LuckyOtter
Vorkuta:
Lil Uzi Vert:
PenguinPower:
schadd_: Vorkuta

Not Voting: Psyche, Lil Uzi Vert,

Wow this vc (it's also updated for everyone, so you're welcome...)

VOTE: chennisden

[Performer]

i never derive sexual satisfaction from playing this game and you can quote me on that going forward

speaking of sexual satisfaction...

Who else are your scum reads?

[Performer]

I prefer a Chenn lynch but will not accept a no lynch. Anyone on the Pika wagon willing to vote Chenn speak up please.

Psyche and LUV do something with your vote.

pp why did you naked vote me earlier

[Performer]

"can't meta read me" but "trust me"

even though certain folks are hard to meta read like pp/nm as in ascertain alignment of, my experience with their gameplay & their personalities makes me believe they're easier to work with than others and they are experienced.

compared to someone like gustavo or mary (nothing personal) or psyche.

In unrelated news, I don't like dogs but I like cats, I'd rather be playing a basketball game than watching one, and I'd prefer cooking my own meal than paying tips when eating out!

Call me crazy/biased but...that's part of how I operate. You've seen firsthand I literally allowed bluebloodedtoffee to pocket me into lylo , in that one mini normal....because I was so biased of him.

[Performer]

im on mobile right now but once i'm back out of working hours yall are getting some SERVICE with a SMILE

I prefer a Chenn lynch but will not accept a no lynch. Anyone on the Pika wagon willing to vote Chenn speak up please.

Psyche and LUV do something with your vote.

VOTE: Performer!
bc i aint putting anyone at L-1

I'm very disappointed

[Performer]

im on mobile right now but once i'm back out of working hours yall are getting some SERVICE with a SMILE

I prefer a Chenn lynch but will not accept a no lynch. Anyone on the Pika wagon willing to vote Chenn speak up please.

Psyche and LUV do something with your vote.

VOTE: Performer!
bc i aint putting anyone at L-1

I'm very disappointed

i got invited on a date to the movies

!!!

+1

[Performer]

id do performer if nothing else was happening but i dont particularly think he flips scum

id hammer chenny at like the last second obviously

You literally moderated me both alignments.

[Performer]

Pika revise your claim or eat rope

lol?

This is why I like to be in charge of the hammer, I don't have to wait around on this

The dancing around the hammer is gross.

Just hammer.

+1

[Performer]

if this flips red i kind of like vorkuta & uzi for the partners ...

I'd look at chen/red/luv regardless of the dp flip.

psyche/nm/pp/mary don't feel right to be scum, but in need of reevaluating.

worry abt hammering from mjl seems real. performer would be a kind of obvious town spew i guess

im probably getting shot i think it's kind of obvious im a role pensive emoji

What is wig? Like wigging out?

its like, wig

"I'd be willing to lynch perf" to "perf is obvious town now"
why

[Performer]

Pikachu, you're not going to survive the day. I hate hammering. It gives me anxiety. *For real, it gives me anxiety.* Can you please go ahead and hammer yourself if you're scum?

gross as fuck, scum never self hammers upon town request

seems fake too

the "don't blame me when DP flips town" also spews tmi like

we had time to do another wagon

also, her progression feels fake and unnatural.

Time to do another wagon like me, who you were still voting iirc? Not even sure what you mean by me approaching your slot with good faith. If this meant I was not stubbornly writing you off as scum , well, I'm just not a stubborn person and was willing to reevaluate.

[Performer]

Also I like the deadline dance

What specifically about the "deadline dance" do you like?
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also can we not paint targets on people's backs either directly or indirectly...especially if they turn out to be prs

[Performer]

nomnomnom,

Town Doctor

, was killed Night 1.
chennisden,

Town Multitasking Compulsive-Fruit Vendor Compulsive-Visitor

, was killed Night 1.

Anyone want to claim fruit or to have been visited for shits and giggles?

*ahem*
VOTE: schadd

Him getting off the pichu wagon immediately after his UB claim is suspicious
Him not 100% supporting it the second time he was wagonned is also sus

I got nothing from chen

@mod

Would it be possible for a mafia NURSE inherit a TOWN doctor PR?

The wiki is a bit murky on 'cross factional backup inheritance'

I can't remember ever hearing of a nurse in a normal game, but upon a quick check of the wiki, it looks like they would be able to inherit a town doctor pr after dying. Why would you care about that anyway...?

[Performer]

LUV is town. moving on.

why.

pg 70 interactions between vork and others, makes me think he's town since it sounds like he's coming from an uninformed standpoint. however, I'm with the belief that another pr claim isn't the greatest move at this gamestate

[Performer]

lmao i was rxn testing u

Spoiler:

Listen, I understand you can't understand me, that all you hear is 'pika pika,' but the important part is that we don't need to spend long in RVS because schadd is clearly scum

VOTE: schadd

VOTE: Redemption

This reads like wking schadd while trying to not come off as wking by hiding behind "whaa 3 votes is plurality" nonsense

Like, if I totally bought schadd thought I was scum and should be lynched, I might think the meme would be fine. But so far most of what I have seen is that he didn't like my Gamma vote, which is fine but not enough to spend an hour making a meme over, and that he thinks I'm pink ball, which is... not even something I want to respond to. If I am pink ball, I didn't want to be mainhunted, and if I'm not pink ball, I don't want to get into that argument and make it easier to main hunt me. So his argument against me is boring for me to respond to, which makes me feel like he doesn't believe it. So making a meme for 501 is kinda gross given that his reasons just aren't that good and literally everyone patting him on the back for it kinda has me trying to decide whether he's obnoxious town that scum are trying to goad on and buddy by calling funny to get a mislynch on me or if he's just scum.

I'm leaning 'just scum' though. I think he was faking the reaction to vorkuta in pretending like he was going to rewrite his whole reads list and his push on me while I had stuff come up is opportunistic af.

VOTE: schadd

YES

This is more of what I'm talking about. the confidence level here seems fake.

And this is what I mean with the meme too. It's day 1 and I had a busy week so apparently that means his scumread on me is so strong that he's going to abandon the hope of working with the person you're focusing on?

Like I have made shitposty memes as part of pushes before... On like day 4 when I have total confidence th slot is scum. I wouldn't make one to get a read on a player because if I was wrong then the player is probably going to lose objectivity. I don't feel objective about schadd because right now I more feel while he is still alive in the game I don't really want to do anything other than lynch him. This is what it means to do a bad faith push and that's why I don't think town does aggressive tunnely memes like that day 1. I don't feel like he actually is thinking about my slot, he is thinking about how he looks pushing my slot.

I have no history with schadd that's relevant to how I'm reading the meme; I'm talking about the thought process behind making the meme and the decision to do so on day 1. I think making memes can be ti but not in this circumstance.

i love confrontation + for a moment you looked like generic scum doubling down to me which would be super great as id just have to win the 1v1 for today which is ez

im worried you're trying to keep me an unresolved 1v1 : (

vanity voting me with the assumption i won't vote you back (as scum)

your slot needs to die

VOTE: schadd

there is no reason town you wants to generate this much wifom about my vote, I felt pretty angry when I voted you over the weekend and I didn't want to just sit on that without reevaluating when I cooled down but it seems like you just want to goad me not sort me

I feel like schadd's posts make me angry, so while I'm very confident he's scum there's another part of me that feels like I'm not approaching him objectively. He's probably scum, but there's a very small chance we just have a really big playstyle conflict. Performer just reads like scum to me and there's not so much emotion involved.

its felt for a while like the only evidence that dp's posts are real thoughts that hes having in the moment are the confident / authoritative way he presents them

like its been boilerplate "i think this is fake. theres no reason u would think that. this is opportunistic." punctuated by "die scum fucka you everybody explain to me why theyre not voting this slot RIGHT now."

I mean for you to be town you have to be highly manipulative town. Personally I think it's fucking rich that nomnomnom tried to case me for not interacting with her when last night we were both doing the exact same thing--trying to make sense of N_M's slot. If she was town I think maybe she would have noticed that there was a multi-colored distraction for 1 of the 2 days she has been in the game?

I actually keep thinking I might be wrong on you, but posts like this don't make that any easier.

Like if you're town I feel like you're approaching my slot more like you want an easy lynch rather than you really have a lot of conviction in your read one way or the other, but you also seem to like being hard to understand almost as much as N_M does

Hey nomnom what's your read of schadd?

Like a third of his ISO (and arguably half of his word count) is dedicated to trying to get your face.
He has the mad hypertunnel hots for you, and while I get that he's an alt and not a newbie, I still really want to make the claim that this is textbook distancing & bussing 101
If he was any decent and convincing and we actually got the schadd_ lynch on D1, he'd've raked in all of the big-boy townie points and coasted for the win.

I reread him (and deciphered the pika pika pika pika speak) immediately after the flip and it's my impression that the ^ was his game plan (while ofc waiting for a doctor to die)

interestingly, I felt that dp somewhat tunneled me too...why would you bring up schadd over me

[Performer]

What do you mean by "relevant??"

[Performer]

i think dp's thing with me was also pretty explicitly emotional

I mean that's kind of why I unvoted (also seeing as I won't get a majority on you without more damning evidence)

I still stand by the

fact

opinion that his "emotional outburst" towards you was part of scum theater
while his "emotional outburst" towards nomx3 was flailing and fueled by the added stress of wagon #2 after wagon #1 on him diffused.

Also in hindsight that's probably why nomx3 was shot

If you're saying scum team targeted nom due to dp dying, I disagree...he was lynched beforehand. His scum teammates would have to have the decision the following phase , n1...

In fact, I suddenly have the ill feeling that if schad was scum, then maybe he WOULD target nom? Because I had a drastic read change on nom when she came into cdb slot, and nom & I just finished a game where we were masons that schad moderated us from. So then a world is possible where scum schadd is worried about nom/I being too unbreakable a town pair, so that he & his buddy targeted nom? Otherwise, I have a hard time finding out why on earth people would target nom on n1

[Performer]

targeted nom due to dp dying, I disagree...he was lynched beforehand. His scum teammates would have to have the decision the following phase , n1...

In 20/20 hindsight I read her... "vigor" heavily implied a personal involvement -> inadvertent PR claim.
Also maybe she had solid reads

oh no she FoS'd me

Eitherway- useful town powerhouse and damn near impossible to mislynch on top of a potential PR claim (idk what people read into it).

F

Uh...iirc, plenty of folks had vigor regarding a dp lynch. nm, schadd, pp, me, to name some. She also brought up that you were scum...so that makes me doubt my earlier tr on you


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Other notes:
-Reread more of cdb/nom/chen ISOs
-Vork brought up great analysis of scum mary. But nom mentioned she liked a vork lynch too in her ISO

[Performer]

im just saying, if we can clear pp and luv today june 8 2019 then the game is solved; we just have to sort

mjl and

performer

psyche and not_mafia and redemption

ftfy (mary is basically conf scum based on the constant fluff posts). Not sure who would be the likely remaining partner atm.

[Performer]

Will have to get to this tomorrow. Wasnt able to this weekend

[Performer]

Activity after I get back from the beach unless this is lynched.

Not a fan of the play around eod yesterday and other things I can’t really discuss atm.

Looking forward to the catchup. Also I moved finally to my new place so i'm basically phone posting nowadays instead of laptop posting, so I cant be as full posting anymore just an fyi

I have been feeling the Mary lynch as well, need to check vc before voting.

[Performer]

At 4 of 6 needed votes, please be careful of l1 the slot in case someone quick hammers. Because ending the day like this situation I think benefits scum more

[Performer]

Not sure why vork is queasy with me and psyche reaching lylo?

[Performer]

Nobody wants a lynch right now. But the game is kinda stalled until we know what's up with Red and MJL.

I think they are to be replaced

[Performer]

My other town read I've gained so far is performer. This is mostly at the moment due to the feeling that his posts feel very similar to his posts in the game shadd modded where he was a town Mason.

I've only played with him the one time so don't have his scum game to compare between. But from looking at it as if I didn't know about that game. A skip of performers iso gives me no real feeling of scuminess but does feel somewhat townie.

Hello Bob. Aka the one who won as scum last game

[Performer]

pisskop replaces Redemption
bob3141 replaces MaryJoLisa

Oh man. What's up folks.

help
its spreading

I cracked up at this haha

random thought, i feel like itd be useful to ask bob a bunch of tricky questions when hes catching up if possible

Problem with Bob is hes able to deep wolf. Last game he fooled my read on him

[Performer]

Actually I dont need threats. Looking over the D1 VCs Vortuka is consistently voting with Pikachu and is not on Scumwagon at

all

, whereas my slot was subject to Vortuka and Pikachu ganging up on it.

VOTE: Vorki

What says you vort?

Is PP town? I sure hope so cuz I dont want to iso him anymore.

most likely

Any word on who done did the vig or nah?

no, nor should there be

.

i think i like pisskops catch up

Why do you like his catchup?

Also pk I dont think this is vorks scum game?... and how do you figure lucky is the other scum buddy?..

[Performer]

So bobert is good?

I think hes new but his playstyle looks townie no matter what, at least from my pov

[Performer]

At the point before the 2 replace ins, I had pp, luv, lucky, schadd, vork as town

[Performer]

Also pk I dont think this is vorks scum game?.

yea, he isnt too bad here

But... you voted him...

[Performer]

Huh. Vork is almost the top poster here. Makes me wonder.

[Performer]

SPEAKING OF SCHADD

wow guys
activity count?

blow me

you weren't nearly as active in the game where you were town, in here:
viewtopic.php?t=78822&f=2&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go

Interesting. What are your reads.

[Performer]

@bob you are at L-1 btw.

I need to see a catchup from you as well since you said you'd catch up over the weekend.

Who would you vote/think is scum?

[Performer]

My only pause is Mary Jo replacing out. I don’t think she replaces out as town here but no counterwagon implies the slot is town.

My only pause is Mary Jo replacing out. I don’t think she replaces out as town here but no counterwagon implies the slot is town.

This is exactly where I'm at.

If that's the case, then who is scum??

[Performer]

uh, poe is tight - im not really willing to consider penguin, pisskop, psyche and to a lesser extent nm and performer

Hm...I take this to mean you're scumreading vork/lucky/bob/luv.

[Performer]

@pp we're past halfway through d2 so I don't see why we're early in the phase. bob was L-1 and he didn't claim, so that's also suspicious and I pointed out that he was already L-1. that makes me think he's stalling.

[Performer]

Mjl was voting performer before hammering DP. Why wouldn't she investigate him?

Exactly.

I like the claim though and I dont like how nm reacted to it on pg 80.

However, mary scumread me and voted dp at eod 1. So WHY would she check pp instead?!

[Performer]

Did pp ever claim to have gotten fruit, and what did chen flip again?

[Performer]

Ok so...the only difference between chen role and Bob's role are the visitor and gunsmith parts. This is starting to look somewhat like the disloyal fn claim from sky last game, if Bob is scum here.

Anyway I agree that he's not today's lynch. If that is a fake claim though, it's a very brilliant one

[Performer]

Bob who would you vote today?

[Performer]

I got fruit. Assumed it was from chenn.

ha

I laughed as well

[Performer]

Ok bob
What are your reads on other players?

Also I dislike your wall just now as it's TL;DR "man this redemption guy..."

I like his case on pk and he said he townreads me and someone else. I think that case comes from town moreso than scum. Also I have not had a townread on pk and have been struggling with who's been the best vote, and now with an upcoming deadline , I am voting pk.

VOTE: pisskop

[Performer]

Performer > Otter > Vorkuta > schadd > LUV

my preferred order if not doing Bob.

I'm not a huge fan of Psych tbh, but I'm not sure that makes him scum? He's a ? for me. I didn't care much for your predecessor either, but I couldn't read his nonsense well and feel like giving you a chance.

I agree NM is town.

We're definitely not doing me though i appreciate the effort.

I dont like that Bob said luv gave up after an n1 flip. That doesnt sound right, sounds rather random from bob... as in makes me doubt a townie would think that.

[Performer]

I didn't expect you to agree with that but thanks for clarifying.

Not sure why psyche pisskop nm aren't in that lynch order ....

[Performer]

My tr on pp is wavering and psyche and luv haven't posted it 2+ days

[Performer]

It's regarding the post on those 3 .

[Performer]

In the post you had me as the second preferred lynch...after bob who claimed pr. Then you didn't mention pisskop, and you wanted to give nm a chance, and psyche doesnt seem scummy. That's very...fishy.

[Performer]

Hop on Bob then - I doubt the other two get pushed through today (and I don't particularly want to lynch NM).

Im fine with psyche ... less so on nm but judging by his actions, just wow.

Also psyche did vote me yesterday and seems to be wanting to only hammer vote today. Scummy behavior? Yes.

[Performer]

counterwagon for DP + if i recall hes like SUPER wolfy and struggly as maf

1.) I don't think so

VC 1.14

Redemption:

Psyche:

Performer:

chennisden, Vorkuta

Not_Mafia:

Detective Pikachu:

Not_Mafia, Redemption, LuckyOtter, schadd_, PenguinPower, Psyche, MaryJoLisa

nomnomnom:

Detective Pikachu

chennisden:

nomnomnom, Performer

LuckyOtter:

MaryJoLisa:

Vorkuta:

Lil Uzi Vert:

PenguinPower:

schadd_:

Not Voting:

Lil Uzi Vert

With

13

votes,

7

to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2019-06-05 21:00:43)

2.) iirc, he can be quite good as scum

Thank you for the compliment!

Im not scum here.

[Performer]

nor for the game state.

I disagree- penguin and I TR him as a result of his "flailing" (semantically incorrect but appropriate)

Do you still see him as flailing?

I don't and now that I understand he's no newbie, I feel no need to hold back on a D1 lynch.

VOTE: Redemption

I'm not fucking new to this game. I'm new to this website and I won't give shit for an excuse anymore.

Oh, he even said it in this thread.

what am i supposed to do with this? all i have is redemption's newbielogic

Redemption is apparently not new to Mafia. From what I can see, he’s never claimed to be a newbie to the game at all.

From his completed game Newbie 1928:

I'm new to the website, but I'm certainly not new to the mafia game.

I'm having difficulty getting the link to work for the quote, so here it is: viewtopic.php?p=10889179#p10889179

Suddenly the continued misuse of “lynch” instead of “vote”, in spite of being corrected multiple times, is sounding like he’s trying to construct a newbie persona.

Psyche, you seem like you know what you're talking about.

Do me! Analyze me!

@Vorkuta, sorry, you did guess Danny first. How is that not the answer? Willing to lynch NM just for that (actually no, and not willing to do a policy lynch unless we can't come to any other kind of consensus).

@MJL: How do you feel about Gamma and LUV as options?

Gamma: Who even is this person? I need to see more posts.
LUV? Meh. I'm neutral here. LUV, help me feel less neutral about you.

VOTE: Little Uzi Vert

MJL I don't think NM is a viable candidate today. You have thoughts on a different vote?

I believe Redemption is a solid choice, but the last pressure wagon on him didn't go well. neither for him, nor for the game state.

@Penguin Power

, I found someone to vote for.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

I think Mary wasn't the type to be voting scum buddies unless super necessary, so now im thinking psyche slot, red/pk slot, and nm could be town?

[Performer]

Also, great work lynching 2nd scum In a row. I had my suspicions about dp and mjl/bob slots and would've lynched them eventually anyway since their posts were the type that would've grown inevitably condemnable.

The manner in which those scum were lynched leads me to wonder if they were both bussed. Nm I can see doing that, and I know pp to be of that way as well.

If I were scum then pp or schadd would be dead by now.

[Performer]

Other suspects : The kills lead me to suspect schadd since he is familiar with them, that's a common thread. Lucky was never getting lynched so the kill there makes sense from schadd. I'm going go hypothesize further that im being setup to be framed into lylo lol.

I also think psyche has been the equivalent helpfulness of Mary, which was scummy... though her iso makes me doubt it.

So I want to see what else people say and what a psyche replacement does before voting, and have some notes to follow-up on later with more time.

Notes to self: analyze eod 1 and 2 wagons, and reanalyze dp and lucky ISOs

[Performer]

Leaning Performer kills me there...maybe to obv though.

Original question needs to be answered though.

I dont remember mentioning that scum me would kill you, before my d3 post?...

Also what question did you have for me?

[Performer]

More notes: 8 left so 1v7 possible remaining composition.

If wrong on lynching, then 1v5, 1v3 lylo so only 2 available mislynches left.

Also need to compile and analyze the flips to do a setup breakdown. Im not on jingles level but I'll see what I can formulate.

[Performer]

Yeah - I don't remember the question.

Note: Psyche slot is conf!town as he repped out before EOD and still hasn't been replaced. One scum left and a kill was made.

Ouch.

Hm that's actually a good point about psyche slot, noted.

The hesitation I have on that being town is that people can submit actions ahead of time too.

In his case, I dont see him caring about the game so much so probably not scum

[Performer]

@pp I forgot to include luv

So considering that pg 89 post and you seem town and im town...doesnt that just leave schadd or vork?... thinking aloud here

[Performer]

Also yes, there do exist 4 man scum teams in mini normal but that's rare

[Performer]

I'm fine with Vorkuta or schadd going today

Thing is, I am afraid we're deciding to quick in terms of who to lynch. I dont think we have many prs left and very little room for error before lylo

[Performer]

So after a skim of luck's iso combined with where im at currently, leaning vork, luv, schadd today.

Psyche slot probably next day because it felt like he was scum that gave up after 2 scum lynches.

Post 0 thankfully has all the roles flipped, so that helps me in setup breakdown .... I won't go into it because I dont want scum to use my information

[Performer]

I think that is l-1?

[Performer]

Vork can you at least try to tell us some wagon analysis before mod closes the thread?? Your twilight posts aren't helping if you're town

[Performer]

Shit ok- gun to head it's performer

Lol no

[Performer]

That hammer is really awful because its early in the day and scum thrives off little info

[Performer]

I happened to have come check in right at the moment you posted that. I'm not the type to be actively watching a thread. I either check it and decide to post or I dont check

[Performer]

Just go back in the pgs to see how people voted you

[Performer]

A small part of me is saying that if you're scum, then I dont think you'd be trolling in twilight. So either you're town that got fast hammered or there could be 4 scum

[Performer]

VOTE: schadd

[Performer]

Luv schadd and jesus are folks that I'll vote or hammer. Vla lgb the weekend as I'll be busy.

[Performer]

On the weekend*
Typo

[Performer]

Checking in , and My stances stay the same

[Performer]

Wait a minute, it changed to d3 but no nk? Hm...

[Performer]

I mean - Vork's hammered so we just have to wait on the mod to do mod things.

+1

[Performer]

6 left so takes 4 to lynch.

I need to know did anyone get fruit last night?
Also, psyche is probably town based on what happened n3 despite it being a mod error.

[Performer]

we lynch today, nl tomorrow, and hit the last one in lylo.

Agrd

[Performer]

Schadd is at l 2 I think.

Schadd doesnt strike me as town, but nm and luv have me worried from what's happened/not happened today too.

[Performer]

Why is NM town?

Not sure why schadd thinks nm is likelier town than me but that's an extra scum point in schadd.

Also @everyone - I have detailed my thoughts on schadd being the likeliest person to be framing me, in d3 I think


For now i'll wait for what nm says before voting

[Performer]

Intent to hammer by tomorrow

[Performer]

VOTE: schadd

[Performer]

Oh man , great work schadd and luv! I was wrong on schadd and nm hehe

[Performer]

I want to see the Mason chat haha

[Performer]

There wasn't much there.

...

[Performer]

Ah ok. Interesting. Not sure how else I would've played vig this game...I was really debating shooting the last shot but glad I didnt

[Performer]

Im sorry I outed you

Eh it's all good!

[Performer]

Wait what happened? When did it end? Who won? How long was I missing?

Ended earlier this week I think. Town won with schadd and luv vs nm. Curiosly, both you and mary left awhile ago but returned to chk on the
Result.