Gay Dance! [Donezo]

[chennisden]

flip these two out of MY gamer thread RIGHT NOW.

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bitmap - what do you think we should do after.

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after u leave.

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okay bitmap.

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[chennisden]

Are you sufficiently annoyed yet Bitmap?

[chennisden]

idk whether ur shit posts or actual posts are less helpful, bitmap

[chennisden]

Flip the

bottle

table.

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u dont even really play smash, bitmap

[chennisden]

Being scum would be nice

[chennisden]

If I were alisae id be insane too.

[chennisden]

jesus christ.

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ugh.

this is a decision that i have to make now.

[chennisden]

i stg

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Btw

@mod I'll be gone for almost the entirety of saturday

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okay hmm

[chennisden]

idk fb

do you understand why i have paranoia that nimerald is just t/t and im being pushed to a bad choice?

[chennisden]

would be nice if it was just nimerald as s/s

but if that's the case, who's been manipulating the gamestate to keep them alive so long?

[chennisden]

ur right on that fb

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fb i think nimerald flips t/t or t/s. and if it's t/t fuck me.

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but if it's t/s your pair needs to go

immediately

after

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like, okay

every time nimerald was gonna be the next lynch someone just

conveniently

leaves so that they stay alive.

[chennisden]

thank you, fb.

im gonna vote nimerald as soon as we get a vc then.

[chennisden]

and it's oka/fb on the wagon?

[chennisden]

i'll let both of them post some thoughts.

if it's bingle/someone i'd enable a quick hammer

[chennisden]

ughhhhh

[chennisden]

id feel better if you left then nimerald left, but eh

[chennisden]

idk idk im shaking help me

[chennisden]

i'll wait a bit before i vote.

but if bingle/fire is the scumteam i'll just die.

so.

[chennisden]

we're killing {firoka} and {nimerald} and that wins the game.

ugh why do i feel like i'm just obsessing over order and it's t/s slash t/s with those two.

[chennisden]

how likely is it that firoka is s/s? i dunno, i don't think it is.

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how likely is it that the scum in nimerald just gave up.

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or they're both scum and they gave up.

[chennisden]

Nim you know there are three pairs left right

^this

[chennisden]

its chengle fireoka and nimerald and we just need to flip fireoka and nimerald in a way that we dont flip two town at once.

you get it?

[chennisden]

idk im running out of people to sr.

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Idk Oka

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Oka do u know why I want to flip FB

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If FB flips scum i have to re-evaluate

it could really just be fb/bingle

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and fb scum is rly possible

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Cuz Arcanine shits on pichu

Pichu wrecks arcanine dude

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Oka where u at on FB

[chennisden]

Ok uh

I have some serious doubts on FB

I could see Oka being scum but i'm not really feeling that

Same with Bingle

Gamma is prolly just town

Nimueh we can deal with later

[chennisden]

I am leaving the dance

okay i am bored, cya later folks.

were you town?

[chennisden]

actually that's official right

[chennisden]

id ask oka is he were town and see if that was it but fb scum has a real possibility of leaving

[chennisden]

HEY GUYS

[chennisden]

ARE YOU SCUM?

[chennisden]

eh ill stop fucking with u.

im scum.

[chennisden]

we win.

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(:

[chennisden]

yw for the carry croag.

[chennisden]

fb before we leave can u guess my partner.

[chennisden]

i wanna see who u think it is.

[chennisden]

Sorrybut scum wins

[chennisden]

We won Nim

[chennisden]

That win was painful. This setup is batshit townsided and it took a crazy amount of shit for me to win.

[chennisden]

Also ank pie do u feel betrayed.

[chennisden]

If it is nim I'm going to cry cuz that means we could've won

then cry, because it was nim.

[chennisden]

im fucking gloating dudes

[chennisden]

i had a losecon that i had to seal carefully.

i actually was really considering killing your pair and not doing that ALMOST cost us the game.

i had to go through a batshit ton of stuff and had to play very carefully.

[chennisden]

so the things i had to do were

1) spread paranoia on pie while looking like im trying to do the opposite.
2) fuel and ignite the rando scumreads on bitmap.
3) deal with your shitty reads on me. (this was ez btw, if u scumread someone for bad reasons and they're scum u just gave them a win vector.)
4) explain the nightkill and why we weren't it.

and more stuff i can't think of.

[chennisden]

this was actually a close game. you'll see that i was considering conceding for a large portion of predance. Croag refusing to play and going rogue really hurt my morale and kirari not even being there sucked. In particular the readslist was when i was done with that shit. she never consulted me about it at all and i was really mad. luckily people dismissed it (jokingly) as rng, which actually seems likely now that i think about it.

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uh alisae doesn't want to release the pt to protect that secret alt but nim/me were both fine with releasing it afaik.

[chennisden]

it's 20 pages long. mostly me spamming.

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how likely is it that the scum in nimerald just gave up.

Maybe

u can stop catching up. u just lost.

[chennisden]

this was painful since we won about the time that ankamius left.

[chennisden]

reagrdless im glad this was a scum sweep so.

[chennisden]

HAHAA

[chennisden]

i was snorting when pine left hahah

[chennisden]

And everyone told me chennisden was townie.

i was

[chennisden]

fire/bitmap/sakura's bad scumreads on me were probably what made ank/pie locktown me btw.

[chennisden]

Chenn is the best. <3. I was way too sick to try to replicate MD, so I couldn’t have carried here.

We both flipped out after croag’s readslist. You will read all about that. We thought we were fucked by that.

yeah i carried yw

[chennisden]

like one of my new tenets of mafia is dont SR people for shitty reasons cuz that just gets them TRed. if they're smart.

[chennisden]

i also let u scumread me on purpose until i didnt tbh. i didn't want attention to go to bingle.

[chennisden]

This game was something

Don’t know if chennisden deserves gloating rights tho

Tbh I do

I had to go through a ton of shit dude (:

[chennisden]

i think i'd say i played the best game here regardless of alignment tbh, fire.

[chennisden]

nim played well too. and pie also did well.

[chennisden]

This game was something

Don’t know if chennisden deserves gloating rights tho

Tbh I do

I had to go through a ton of shit dude (:

Like all the wall posts and fake rage? Yeah I guess

that's

your

fault.

[chennisden]

by having shitty scumreads on me in the first place you enabled me to power through and towntell.

and when your reads are pointed out to you, you eventually sto pdoubling down.

[chennisden]

i think i'd say i played the best game here regardless of alignment tbh, fire.

I don’t think so, you played best of scum.
All you did was get massively townread which is good in the setup but like outside that I don’t think u did much

i had to consciously get gifmap mislynched.

i set myself up after vecsuka as well.

ank leaving was unexpected but helpful.

[chennisden]

i had to carry the entire game after croag died, and nim couldn't have really done much given her condition.

[chennisden]

Tbh all the scum are fine, everyone who left though can fuck right off
Y'all threw away a significant advantage wtf

thx

[chennisden]

i think u played well emerald.

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fb dont be salty that i swooped ur ass bro.

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gif was inevitable.

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sakura leaving at that point was unplanned for but it did shift the momentum heavily in our favour.

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fb dont be salty that i swooped ur ass bro.

Lol okay dude

No scum got lynched

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i don't think it's the fault of people who townread me tbh. it was the people who scumread me who playedworse this time

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fb dont be salty that i swooped ur ass bro.

Lol okay dude

No scum got lynched

No town got lynched either.

No scum left or got left on

[chennisden]

I just told bingle in the pt that he lost btw

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Please fill out a questionaire:

1) How betrayed do u feel on a scale of 1 to 10.
2) would u TR me in future games on a scale from red to green.
3) How can we solve this game.

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fun fact nim locktowned me before replacing in.

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There were some people who made it close though. Pie played rly well. Ank did p good until she tunneled on vecsuka and left to push her own agenda. Gamma also did p well (sadly that helped scum a lot).

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True leaving gave me a lot of mislynches I would've struggled to get. Bitgif was a rly easy mislynch but if they didnt leave they would've still been p hard to mislynch.

I killed Cheeky shiro instead of Fire oka over nim's insistence because 1) I was scared of the replacement (cheeky flaked) and 2) i didn't rly see an easy way to get them to leave/get mislynched rly. Like it was just a thing town would've been ok with but it had a lot of room for ambiguity and i didn't want people asking why Firoka died over Chennis.

[chennisden]

Gamma also did p well (sadly that helped scum a lot).

Wat

U made ur pair rly hard to lynch.

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Ank left -.-

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Btw the "blood pact" was some of the stupidest shit I've seen and town should've fought it harder.

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Ank gamma would've still died to me i think

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I kinda wanna see the dead PT tbh. spoilers would be funny but so would no spoilers.

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Btw wrt making this setup more fun. Make it 16p 4 scum take out the IC but wincon is all town must be dead (so an S-S pair must exist.)

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Oh btw I scumslipped in the partner PT and bingle never caught it

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No

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I let it live way beyond its shelf life if you were both town i'd have saved u for the final ML

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The IC is very unfun to play as.

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That's a shame because this setup is actually p fun despite flaws. It's much faster and there was one replacement.

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I rly think making it 12 v 4 with no IC but the wincon is ALL TOWN ARE DEAD and THERE IS A LIVING SCUM would be more fun.

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That fixes all the problems.

1) Ultra townsided.
2) The IC is stupid.
3) Setup generation is swingy.
4) Idiots leave.

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Yeah Bingle I won

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that doesnt matter because i could've MLed you rn (probs wouldn't have even saved u to here and got rid of u at d2.)

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Bingle as nice as it is to think in hindsight i was scum i was never gonna let u reach that point. my gameplan was to kill fireoka or make them rage.

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Cmon u even missed my scumslip

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Idk. This game was rough and like the chances of my pulling that off was rly low

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Bingle as nice as it is to think in hindsight i was scum i was never gonna let u reach that point. my gameplan was to kill fireoka or make them rage.

The point I was already at?

You can see it in my catchup, you weren't locktown. I wanted to lynch both of the slots that could potentially be S/S imo and then leave. I also went out of my way to try to talk sakura out of leaving at 6p and expressed a harder townread on both oka and fire than on you.

I was never gonna let u feel comfy about leaving me baby.

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I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh.

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bingle u don't care that our love was

fake

??

[chennisden]

I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh.

you should sig this

[chennisden]

I snowed u bingle boy.

[chennisden]

that doesnt matter because i could've MLed you rn (probs wouldn't have even saved u to here and got rid of u at d2.)

No, you could have never mislynched me and Gamma. Once you started pushing either of us, I would know you were scum and I would have been able to convince Bingle of it and everyone else, especially if I wasn’t so sick. Why do think RC locktowned me in GS? He knew wrongly sr bleeding obvtown me, would fuck him.

I wouldn't need to be the one driving ur wagon I could've got other people to push it

RC locktowned u cuz he was using u to push his wincon

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I snowed u bingle boy.

Whatever makes you feel gooder about yourself, chenny.

Whatever makes u feel less bad bingle boy

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Think about all those tight corridors I had to squeeze thru bingle boy.

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Idk if certain people will be as ready to TR me these days.

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Bingle u modded a ton of games where I was town

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How did u not find me

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i didnt have to

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Nice FB.

[chennisden]

Can u fill out my questionaire please.

[chennisden]

Please fill out a questionaire:

1) How betrayed do u feel on a scale of 1 to 10.
2) would u TR me in future games on a scale from red to green.
3) How can we solve this game.

[chennisden]

sitechat would be better if i didnt get banned for 5 minutes by penguinpower EVERY DAY

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2070 is outdated tbh

anything minus GS is outdated.

[chennisden]

Please fill out a questionaire:

1) How betrayed do u feel on a scale of 1 to 10.
2) would u TR me in future games on a scale from red to green.
3) How can we solve this game.

[chennisden]

you'll never see it coming...

you'll see! that my mind is too fast for eyes

you're done in

by the! time it hits you, your last surPRISE!

[chennisden]

that doesnt matter because i could've MLed you rn (probs wouldn't have even saved u to here and got rid of u at d2.)

No, you could have never mislynched me and Gamma. Once you started pushing either of us, I would know you were scum and I would have been able to convince Bingle of it and everyone else, especially if I wasn’t so sick. Why do think RC locktowned me in GS? He knew wrongly sr bleeding obvtown me, would fuck him.

I wouldn't need to be the one driving ur wagon I could've got other people to push it

RC locktowned u cuz he was using u to push his wincon

No, you absolutely couldn’t have, not if I was town. You would have guaranteed your loss, had you even tried. You cannot mislynch me when I’m being obvtown. And in 98% of my games, scum regrets pushing me one way or another. They either lose because of pushing me or they win battered and bleeding. If you’re scum and I’m town, you’re an absolute idiot if you try to push me but scum is stupid and never learns how dumb that is, until it’s too late.

I have a nickname on MU, “wolfmagnet”, because of stupid wolves who lost their games by trying to mislynch me,

tbf town doesn't replace in on this townsided setup

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protip dont push chennis as either alignment

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byebye!

[chennisden]

nimueh spends 3 time longer post game talking than actual game talking.

Well, Chenn is being positively delusional if he thinks he or anyone - including RC - can ever mislynch me if I’m being bleeding obvtown,

but were you this time? if so i would've pushed YOU as the scum wincon

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I did miss your 'scumslip', although in my defense there is a town reason to post it. You could have thought I was paranoia-ing on you. Which I was, but I don't know if I'd have believed that you believed that I was at that point.

lollol

no it's the part about "nim's partner" - how would i know nim was scum?

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replace out*

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@Chenn, you don’t seriously believe I would have ever knowingly replaced in here as scum, do you?

if u knew i was scum, prolly

[chennisden]

I think my suggested dance game is probably a decent option, btw.


Y*2 players, hidden gender assignment. (Either random or pregame no discussion).

X gay pairings, where 0<X<Y, determined randomly in the pregame.
Z straight pairings, where Z is Y-X.

Individual players aren't assigned to be gay or not, but only the predetermined number of pairings of each orientation can be made.

no ic right

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i think it was due to not being with ank/grob tbh

[chennisden]

also ali isn't releasing the scum pt to protect ur main

how do u feel about that

[chennisden]

also ali isn't releasing the scum pt to protect ur main

I don't know how keeping the scum pt secret is going to prevent people from figuring out I'm Jingle, but awesome!

Wait, shit... I mean... Look over there!

ur a doofus

[chennisden]

also ali isn't releasing the scum pt to protect ur main

how do u feel about that

I said e could release the scum pt but not the discord group chat.

ik, e's not releasing either i think

[chennisden]

Skimming the post game it sounds like there was lots of leaving.

Really don't think leaving is strong in this setup because from each townie's POV it is going to be 50% as effective as lynching.

Probably helped you guys throw an extremely townsided setup.

exactly

[chennisden]

eh it doesn't matter bingle, the game is OVER.

[chennisden]

firebringer and oka jumped into a well.

now there are only four left. the townies with green eyes expectantly hold out their hands to continue the dance, glad to be rid of the mafia. but suddenly two pairs of eyes turn red.

"sorry," the mafia said,

"the dance belongs to the straight side."

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supposed to be? idk it's obvious.

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next time ill be scum and ull be the guy who kills another town.

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The no gif part?

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I think scum PT makes it obvious who your main is

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her reason is in the scum pt i think

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next time ill be scum and ull be the guy who kills another town.

How does it feel to be able to roll scum. You monster, rubbing your good fortune in my face.

But seriously, it's been fucking forever.

Dude look at nomnomnom, she's been rolling scum so much.

[chennisden]

Shit it is.

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Lemme get that redacted first.

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Btw there's only so many people who're in this game and that game and know these people and etc

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Like cmon there's literally 1 person RC locktowned in GS

[chennisden]

Does anyone wanna share music

[chennisden]

Like cmon there's literally 1 person RC locktowned in GS

He also locktowned Sky as well but I was everyone’s #1 tr by the end of that game.

Wow u just mainouted for anyone who wants to find it

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rip

[chennisden]

with this over im not gonna use discord anymore basically

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true

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its not that interesting anyway it's just me panicking a lot

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wow

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im amazed at u binky boy

[chennisden]

nice

[chennisden]

im amazed at u binky boy

Cause I know personal scumtells and don't bother to suppress them?

No, because ur not telling me them

[chennisden]

Eh. I'm pretty discord illiterate but I'm fairly certain I could figure out how to find your discord main through that pretty quick, even without dragging cybersecurity friends into it.

It's why I put absolutely 0 effort into hiding my meatworld identity. If people want to find out, it's possible for them to find out, so I just kinda let it be public and no one cares.

Same tbh

I signed up with the tag "chennisden" i wonder what my name is

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tbh croag flipping red should've been a hard guilty on me.

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i never planned for it to happen and am really upset croag let it happen

[chennisden]

Who read the main thread? I was being genuine when I said I'd read about 20 pages.

I read it all

I had to

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Well I guess I'm glad that mod talked us out of conceding in pre-dance :3

tbh yeah

[chennisden]

Good game every one.

[chennisden]

A couple of days?

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gg guys

[chennisden]

While Sakura would disagree and I made a mistake not listening to her, I honestly think it's sort of nuts chen that you dropped a scum game like this on all of us out of complete nowhere.

Respect.

some of us had a scum read on chenn

if u cant articulate it, i turn it completely around

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i didnt think vecna was towny.

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While Sakura would disagree and I made a mistake not listening to her, I honestly think it's sort of nuts chen that you dropped a scum game like this on all of us out of complete nowhere.

Respect.

its not so surprising when you realize that me and chennis share the same dna (except we don't we just post very similarly and are very similar)

yeah im alisae

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Pretty sure i could've driven a lynch on chennis at the start of 2nd dance if i didnt focus on bitmap.
pretty sure FB, Bitmap, GIF, Bingle would've followed me there considering their reads where (I think FB/Oka is townier than chen)

nah i dont really think so given that i think my position was "scum caught for the wrong reasons"

like i started deepwolfing and literally wouldn't rest until every slot townread me to some extent at start of D1 or something? i didnt care D2 since i was pushing for my wincon and it was ok if my slot eroded a bit.

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if u cant articulate it, i turn it completely around

I can articulate it!

Leave the dance.

that was a bit too late bucko.

[chennisden]

idk if vecna was actually scummy or no, i sort of was the first to let that SR really stimmer in the pot. which was my job

[chennisden]

Quick strategy talk:

No one should leave the dance, we should essentially play this game like a standard game of mafia voting on people to lynch them. Also, no one should vote inside their pair until MYLO.

The reason is if you play this like how the previous dance games I've been in have gone and just have people leaving the dance to kill their partner you miss out on all the information you get from pushing lynches through like in a normal game like votes, reactions, who attacks who for what reasons and who defends who and etc. I'm gonna pull a quick anecdote: the last dance game I was in had me and Kagami, me in a T/T pair and him in a T/S pair, and we tried to play it that way trying to figure out autowin plans ruling people out based on associative tells. At the end of the day we had a correct autowin plan down but 1) no one else went along with it, and then 2) Kagami and I both got paranoid his and my partners were town and scum respectively, I wound up leaving and everything just got fucked.

Tl;dr leaving the dance is basically a giant trap and we shouldn't do it.

Speaking of leaving the dance, anyone remember this post?

no u

[chennisden]

i didnt have to mislynch any of u suckers

[chennisden]

this setup is actually hilariously townsided

this has been the first scum win in what a year? (granted this was the gay version.) and it's been run 4 times or smth. 5 times counting this? like i had to get everyone to wanna leave and i was flipflopping to annoy fb on purpose.

[chennisden]

tbf if bingle was my scumpartner instead of croag the game might've felt a lot easier

[chennisden]

hi rc

[chennisden]

different setup sorta

[chennisden]

i probably won't be doing dance games anymore until the IC gets removed at least

[chennisden]

the IC isn't actually that townsided. it's just annoying to deal with. it's an obvious shot for scum but it's really annoying for us too.

[chennisden]

and we also didn't leave gamma out like I wanted.

basically that's what happens when the pairings suck and people play super disorganized in this setup, town loses.

it's only townsided if town plays to win.

do u know how hard it is to get people to throw the game for me

[chennisden]

i probably won't be doing dance games anymore until the IC gets removed at least

historically dance games are scumsided. EV isn't a good way to think about setups like this.

go away rc

ok

i'm not talking EV - we shouldn't be letting town win if they're throwing so much more often than scum. is this the standard we want to promote?

our team made one mistake

which i could've done nothing about

and town made many, many mistakes and i still had a loss condition i had to seal off carefully

[chennisden]

i enjoy playing with sakura.

same tbh

[chennisden]

i think this list was mostly good, nobody i wouldn't want to play with again.

[chennisden]

The gay version is superior, cuz it's gay. I need no other reason.

pienyan destroys straight dance with facts and logic.

[chennisden]

Can we just have blind dance that becomes unblind dance at start of first dance

secret alt? that'd be my preference personally.

and rand genders.

[chennisden]

im ok with the mechanics, not so much the expectation you have to buddy buddy a lot in this setup regardless of alignment.

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In post 4570, chennisden wrote:
i probably won't be doing dance games anymore until the IC gets removed at least


historically dance games are scumsided. EV isn't a good way to think about setups like this.

Also rc come back.

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having tantrums when being SRed works.

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having tantrums when being SRed works.

Your AtE was a lot like when i make an AtE as scum.
(I should know i've AtE'd a great portion of my mafia life).
But i didnt know how to explain it.
Heck i never know how to explain my reads except in rare circumstances.

if it helps i was making it hard to explain on purpose.

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but hhhhhwatever