Mini Theme 2083 - Vengeful Ghosts Endgame

[Nancy Drew 39]

wouldn't it be funny if the scumteam was just chickadee + chemist1422?

I happened to look at the VC and those two names were the ones that stuck out as the ones I didn't really feel like I had any direct reasons to townread???

~ Poison Ivy

really makes you think, doesn’t it

???

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think Harley is either back or close to being back so there may be scattered unsigned posts by her

-Kat

Harley is sick with the flu. :/

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Turin Turambar
We're town.

-The Joker

Yeah, but scum can say 'I am town' too and get away with it, so give me one good reason why you shouldn't be lynched.

A guilty is a guilty, no matter how many times you say 'I am town'.

I believe this was the same rationale you used to argue SS mislynch in Undertale. This push somehow just seems scummier. This is Joan right?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Will be ignoring Turin's posts beyond this.
Rest of town should continue the claims. If my slot hasn't yet, VT.

-The Joker

That's what they all say, as scum. The only slot which will be given a pass for behaving this way is Wisdom for being Wisdom, and you're not Wisdom, so thanks for scumclaiming.

We in dead thread agreed to lynch everyone except AA at some point.

Consider the guilty retracted.

VOTE: jjh

It means that I am vengeance. I am the fire in the night. And I am punishing everyone who blindly believes you are town by letting you endgame. And

then I'll force them to admit they were wrong, and hopefully insert some wisdom into their stupid heads to use in future games.

Thanks for the entertainment.

Can I frame this post-game, plz?

I am actually far more suspicious of players like BS and Pine, who actually read the interactions between us and FL, which proved there was no fake guilty. Does a player who has a real guilty on another beg them to save them from being mislynched, the way FL did? There is absolutely no justifiable basis for anyone who read that to seriously believe FL had a real guilty on us.

I seriously cannot believe Pine and BS are this bad.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Sorry, one more thing. I didn’t realize the claim was from Boon at first. Hurried reading. Later it didn’t matter because it looked like it was getting a scum reaction, and now it’s irrelevant because my reasons are my own.

PE: Get the fuck out of here with that shit. That post is from the previous game day, the fake guilty is from today. At least make your bullshit defensible.

I never AtE this bluntly. I have a screaming toddler, you can fuck right off.

If you seriously think that I’ve never been sworn at by scum, think again.

And no one was referencing your kid wrt to the excuses but hey, nice misrep anyway.

[Nancy Drew 39]

The dead thread has a fictional nightkill.

Er. Factional. The kill is very real.

lmao

[Nancy Drew 39]

It's okay duckling

We played this very precisely

on reread you were extremely scummy
sadly this was an exercise in how town can lose games :c dead thread is a good read imo

The irony

[Nancy Drew 39]

Lmao pranked

That's for ignoring two correct solves <3

[Nancy Drew 39]

Flavor Leaf was not a vengeful cop!

lmao<3

I still had a guilty

I thought you were vt not insane cop? *confused*

[Nancy Drew 39]

DON'T READ THE DEAD THREAD

Some of you,

everyone other than Pine/Mastina

may not want to read the venge/spec thread.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Wow well played all

I'm gonna go find like 100L of ice cream to eat and a box of tissues to cry through

I was bleeding obvtown here, so that would be a big fat

NO!

for me - sorry not sorry.

<3 <3 <3 @Jingle for posting my gif as the very last post in the dead thread. lmao

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ank requested the slow roll, btw.

Not quite adequate consolation for the absolute shitfest we were forced to wade through in the dead thread but I’ll take it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ha

Eat it

I told you to ignore the WIFOM

You and Mastina were GOATS, everyone else who was town, should feel really bad.

Not naming any names here.

Spoiler:

quack

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ank requested the slow roll, btw.

honestly

we deserve it

A helluva a lot more than that tbh. Wtf was up with revenge Krazy thing?
Like seriously, dafuq dude?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ha

Eat it

I told you to ignore the WIFOM

lesson learned: keep sheeping conftown!Pine until he finally gets something this year wrong

How ‘bout actually THINKING for a fucking second about why scum!us would go out of our way to put a huge target on our back by pushing through Pine lynch over FG/Cheeky, especially when you already had two dead confiscum in DEB/jjh?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’m still salty people said my JJH read was way off because Jjh was “obvtown”

Then we are even

You did basically the same thing to my DEB read.

Yeah, but I was right there too. DEB doesnt come up with that claim.

Glad we moved off from killing Pine when we thought we were going to.

@Chickadee - I got you, i knew it wasn’t you.

Lmao, she was your second choice after us. You only didn’t want to touch FG/Cheeky.

[Nancy Drew 39]

it wasn't, nah. but pine and Mastina dead thread MVPs ig

They just fully used their brains and weren’t allergic to logical reasoning.

But definitely, GOATS/mvps. I think they should be nominated for scummies but it’s really depressing that the only reason you followed them was that they weren’t moving their votes and Chemist was mia.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Chickadee got more and more obvtown the more I thought about it for sure. she's the best.

I was kicking myself after game didn’t end like I expected it too.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yeah, but I was right there too. DEB doesnt come up with that claim.

That didn't matter

He was pretty obviously scum if you pay attention, his content in between the fluff was pretty blatant

+1

Here and in the dead thread. Mastina and Pine were really impressive and their analysis brilliant.

FACT: scum pushed our mislynch through more than once. They were on our wagon until close to the end. How did no one else

need a building to fall on them

not see that?

[Nancy Drew 39]

this was pretty townsided lel

Yeah, this was crazy town sided.

Scum did well to just get that far with that WIFOM plays.

Yeah, jjh was pretty damn impressive, I did skip through all of the spam, especially by DEB.

[Nancy Drew 39]

This game was very frustrating btw

We almost replaced out

I considered it. Initially Duck was my hero, then I legit don’t wtf happened, with both him and Dann. After Undertale and GS, how did you still manage to misread me Dann?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Turin was an interesting replace in

I wanted to nominate her for a Kodak moment for accusing us of scumclaiming because we weren’t Wisdom alts or something.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yeah, as long as you guys are all right I'll release it.

Any objections from AA and Chick as to the Spec thread?

Can you delete all of my posts save the exploding head, first?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yeah, as long as you guys are all right I'll release it.

Any objections from AA and Chick as to the Spec thread?

Can you delete all of my posts save the exploding head, first?

Uh... oops?

Well, I’d like an opportunity to perhaps edit/delete some of them. I was really really frustrated that I was powerless to knock sense into some people’s heads. Fortunately, Pine and Mastina were able to do it for me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

it wasn't, nah. but pine and Mastina dead thread MVPs ig

<3

I was late to rotate onto the guard stand and somewhat negligent to my duties every half hour, but honestly I feel like it was worth it because we probably lose this if I wasn't around to give reasons. Feels good to not fuck lylo up.

Probably, you and Pine were apparently the only ones actually fully using their brains because our play here, made absolutely no sense if we were scum, especially killing you. I’ve lost count how many games I’ve been wrongly sr when the NK should have 100% cleared me. I still don’t understand why town ignores NKA so much of the time?

[Nancy Drew 39]

it wasn't, nah. but pine and Mastina dead thread MVPs ig

<3

I was late to rotate onto the guard stand and somewhat negligent to my duties every half hour, but honestly I feel like it was worth it because we probably lose this if I wasn't around to give reasons. Feels good to not fuck lylo up.

I shat a brick when you said you would beat the duck up with us

Spoiler:

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ftr that's the actual thing I was doing

Wifom mostly just induces confbias because it can be interpreted however, whereas what I was doing was inducing paranoia and giving you shit to think about

It would have worked better if you hadn’t have tried to mislynch us three times but luckily for you, town (save Pine/Mastina) was asleep at the wheel and not paying attention.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Turin was an interesting replace in

Oh yeah, Dann and I were likely responsible for that Turin replace out.

That was the most heated I got in this game.

But it was kind of funny, Dann and I were going at it, then they came in, and we just went at them.

They wanted to throw, though, to teach a lesson

Spoiler:

Confession: we actually are all Wisdom alts . . . ssh . . .

[Nancy Drew 39]

I joined because Jingle messaged me in sign ups and said I might make the game fun

and the game was fun! for me at least

srry AA

I just never play like this as scum.

[Nancy Drew 39]

DON'T READ THE DEAD THREAD

Some of you,

everyone other than Pine/Mastina

may not want to read the venge/spec thread.

Do I want to read it

No one really mentions you, I don’t think.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I giveth and taketh away

And by that I mean I save you guys twice and almost lynch you

Yeah, that was totally the most frustrating part of it. We kept expecting to die every single night.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Did you not enjoy my memeing

The walls and wall of memes, not really just skipped past them.

[Nancy Drew 39]

You guys think you suffered..? I had to solve the dead thread without a vote. I was so anxious I slept about 3.5 hrs last night. Sorry you felt you were obvtown though.

ISO me and find even one single game where I’ve played anything similar to this as scum. Just

one

and I’ll apologize.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ank requested the slow roll, btw.

honestly

we deserve it

A helluva a lot more than that tbh. Wtf was up with revenge Krazy thing?
Like seriously, dafuq dude?

‘‘Twas a joke

Oh okay, I guess I wasn’t finding the insane sr on us funny, so that probably went over my head.

[Nancy Drew 39]

ND just gonna ask it did you read Dann and I poring over your ISO and talking through the agenda we saw? I'm gonna take flak for having a wrong guess but I'm not gonna take "wow you were bad". I poured heart and soul into this and I don't think it's fair to attack my skill as a player because I heavily reevaluated you guys at the last moment.

Mastina, Pine and Egix should be praised but please watch your choice of words here.

I’m legit sorry if I hurt your feelings but I honestly don’t know what kind of response you expect from me here. I never said you didn’t effort or try hard. No one is disputing that at all.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Oh, and Nancy; you can talk all you want, but you gotta remember a couple of important things:

You had privileged information, and I wasn't tailoring posts in the dead thread you weren't part of to convince your hydra. I was playing specific angles for specific people

Duck posted in the main thread that you and DEB were dead scum, which is one of the main reasons I can’t make head or tail of his read on us.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i feel like a lot of townies don't care if they mislynch people if said people were acting in some way that they dislike, whether that's lurking or not trying or simply not posting in a style that they like.

ditto actually

this was something that I considered about the Cheeky/FG slot and which made me seriously paranoid it was town at the end.

But WHY does scum!us ever push Pine wagon through when you all wanted FG/Cheeky instead? Do you understand why your solve makes 0 sense to me?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy, you were not bleeding obvtown. I get that you felt like that, but you knew you were town, so in your eyes, all your actions are town. If it were not for the mechanical clear that I had no reason to doubt, I would have been pushing AA hydra. There were several times I had written out a post and then scrapped it entirely because I had to remember that you were the most likely town in the game.

We all like to believe we're BLEEDING OBVTOWN but in reality, it's a bunch of yahoos who know close to nothing trying to decipher hidden meanings and actions.

Sorry Chick you’d be very wrong about that wrt to anyone familiar with my meta. Like I said, I challenge anyone who seriously agrees with this to ISO me and find even one single scumgame of mine, where I played even remotely similar to this one. So, that in a nutshell is why I’m the most frustrated with people who I would expect to be at least somewhat familiar with my meta.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I got rid of them (Except the last three, because I legit think they were hilarious, and they don't paint you in a bad light at all.) I prematurely released though, cause I thought you telling specific people they wouldn't want to read it meant you were okay with it.

Okay good thanks. I already probably have people who hate me for some of my post-game posts in here and as you know, they were extremely tame by comparison.

I’m glad you enjoyed the last three though.

- especially the one with the exploding gif head. lmao

and that you sent it to dead thread as our official message.

That totally made my day when I saw that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

sorry Nancy

Wp everyone

Thanks for modding Jingle

There’s few things more frustrating than getting almost mislynched and being powerless to defend yourself.

[Nancy Drew 39]

just so everyone is aware #2543 is within Nancy's scumrange

Can you link that and you’re still wrong, wrong, wrong regardless. Did you find that hypothetical game yet? I bet money on it that you won’t.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy is baaasically laughing at first graders for not knowing anything about the French revolution. you guys had the information we needed, and we didn't. from our uniformed position your alignment needed to be reevaluated and there were some dubious tells in your ISO.

pedit: Nancy ISO yourself and evaluate how much you contributed to game related content compared to your hydra partner's. I legitimately don't see how you consider yourself such a dominant figure in the hydra that you should have been the only person we were considering.

We also had 12-24 hours from the time of bringing it up to the time of the lynch (I was working for most of it and Dannflor needed to sleep). You didn't exhibit posting that was like particularly townie. Neither of us was going to do a metadive on you in that time because you top-post 90% of games you're in.

I don't think you're considering what you're giving us a hard time for. :/

I was seriously ill for much of it and I was V/LA for a week.

[Nancy Drew 39]

For context I poured my heart and soul into evaluating your alignment and came out incorrect.

You weren't obvtown. Dann and I were two townies looking at your ISO and panicking that we hadn't reevaluated it earlier because it looked like scum. This time we were very lucky Mastina had a firmer read against us and she/Pine/Egix were happy to take such a firm stance.

I've learned from this game but the burden you're putting on me when you clearly haven't tried to look at where I'm coming from is becoming a little disheartening.

I'm at a loss for what to say next, here. If you guys want to go back and forth about how shit at mafia I am, approach me on Discord.

It’s disheartening to me that you ignored the lack of scum motivation for some of our actions - like pushing through Pine lynch when we could have kept our mouths shut and just let FG/Cheeky lynch go through instead.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm pretty sure if either Pine or Mastina just hadn't been there, OR if Chemist had showed up, game would have gone differently

+1

Sad but probably true.

[Nancy Drew 39]

This conversation is a pretty good indication of why I'm done with this site lol

For all of the people shitting on me, you are being completely insensitive to what we had to deal with. I’m specifically talking about you Chick. Develop some fucking compassion why don’t you? Glass houses and all. Oh and please let me know when you became perfect

.

[Nancy Drew 39]

that would be the one opportunity to kill you, however, as there were 3 PRs that were never getting lynched

I was really hoping they'd lynch OST after you shot him. It would've been the memey-ist ending possible.

Would the game have ended thhough? and yeah that would have been hillarious.

[Nancy Drew 39]

ND - Sorry but I'd prefer not to play with you in the future. You take the game too personally, when it's supposed to be fun. And I've felt liekt his every game we've been in together.

You keep arguing about meta, but the fact you seem to be hyper aware of your own meta means it's useless. Meta itself is garbage, and personally, I don't rely on it. I will never do meta dives, I will never read games I was not a part of (I just have better ways to use my time). I don't even make it a point to specifically remember games I WAS a part of. Meta changes and evolves as we learn about our own play tendencies. I'm definitely not the player I was when I started playing mafia some 15 odd years ago. We all like to think we're giving off town vibes. Most of the time I think I'm being obvtown...and surprise, I'm not. If people are not town reading you, then you are NOT bleeding obvtown.

I do hope you're seeing what people are saying and taking this to heart as a learning experience. Mistakes were made on a lot of accounts here, but it was a good game. It had a hell of a cliffhanger night, and that was exciting. We have a scum team that played really well, and they were exceptionally graceful about losing. It was a great setup, thoughtfully prepared by Jingle. I don't understand why you're taking being scumread so personally? We're all here to play a game.

If you’d rather not play with me after this, then it’s because you completely lack empathy. Sorry but you clearly are incapable of putting yourself in our position here. Try that even for a goddamned minute and you will stop unreasonably fucking judging me!

[Nancy Drew 39]

I got rid of them (Except the last three, because I legit think they were hilarious, and they don't paint you in a bad light at all.) I prematurely released though, cause I thought you telling specific people they wouldn't want to read it meant you were okay with it.

Okay good thanks. I already probably have people who hate me for some of my post-game posts in here and as you know, they were extremely tame by comparison.

I’m glad you enjoyed the last three though.

- especially the one with the exploding gif head. lmao

and that you sent it to dead thread as our official message.

That totally made my day when I saw that.

Eh. Dead thread rage is dead thread rage. It's easy to be mad when you're emotionally invested and don't have a way to influence people's choices, and considering everyone here has probably been on the other side of that I'd say it's pretty reasonable to expect people to forgive and forget as long as you're willing to put aside the anger when the cards are down and go back to being a buncha weirdos who like to play games about killing each other on the internet.

Well please tell that to Chick who is insisting on unfairly punishing me for that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

just so everyone is aware #2543 is within Nancy's scumrange

Can you link that and you’re still wrong, wrong, wrong regardless. Did you find that hypothetical game yet? I bet money on it that you won’t.

Nancy ISO yourself and evaluate how much you contributed to game related content compared to your hydra partner's. I legitimately don't see how you consider yourself such a dominant figure in the hydra that you should have been the only person we were considering.

We also had 12-24 hours from the time of bringing it up to the time of the lynch (I was working for most of it and Dannflor needed to sleep). You didn't exhibit posting that was like particularly townie. Neither of us was going to do a metadive on you in that time because you top-post 90% of games you're in.

I don't think you're considering what you're giving us a hard time for. :/

I agree with Mastina and Krazy that your sr on us was illogical. Like I really don’t know what you expect me to say other than that? I’m truly sorry if I hurt your feelings. Believe that if you believe nothing else.

[Nancy Drew 39]

nancy chill

Chick isn’t character assassinating you.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm pretty sure if either Pine or Mastina just hadn't been there, OR if Chemist had showed up, game would have gone differently

did I win town the game by being lazy?

Yes.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm disengaging after this.

I never said I was perfect. I never said my play was perfect. I will never say those things. I just said that it was a fun game, and I still would have thought it was fun had town lost. Yes, it sucks to be mislynched. Yes it sucks to be killed when you have no way of defending yourself. But we all signed up for a

game

. When things get personal, games stop being fun. If you have anything you would like to say personally, or have a constructive conversation, please PM me or find me on Discord. I've tried to be constructive in my posts to you, but it seems that message wasn't conveyed.



Good game everyone, thank you for playing.

I honestly don’t think your reaction to me was at all fair and wrt to other games we both played in, it doesn’t even make any sense. I can only think of one - Necromancer - where you legit made me feel like shit and I wanted to replace out specifically because of that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

This conversation is a pretty good indication of why I'm done with this site lol

For all of the people shitting on me, you are being completely insensitive to what we had to deal with. I’m specifically talking about you Chick. Develop some fucking compassion why don’t you? Glass houses and all. Oh and please let me know when you became perfect

.

Nancy, I don't think she implied she is perfect or that you're less than perfect. Just that you have different playstyles, and she doesn't feel they are compatible.

If you disagree I'm sure there's a conversation to have but this is not the place, nor the tone for it.

Pedit: started typing this before the other stuff. Still hitting submit.

If she wants to attack my character, it is the perfect tone. I’m not in the mood to be lectured too btw. At least not until you at least show even a modicum of effort of trying to put yourself in my or anyone in my hydra’s shoes for a minute. Do you even have a freaking clue how your reads positively demoralized us. Krazy pulled his game and may now temporarily take a short break because of it but only you get to feel bad here?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Reading someone wrong is neither evidence of incompetence of the reader nor an attack on that readee's ability to play as town

And you’re 100% completely misinterpreting what I said. I know TW is usually a brilliant player and I’ve never ever implied anything otherwise, so please don’t misrep me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

You got frustrated because you felt like you deserved the win and you almost didn't get it

That’s actually completely untrue. I don’t feel I even won at all, unless you consider winning based only on a technicality, constitutes “winning”?

Actually

winning

would imply that Pine/Mastina would have actually been able to knock some sense into people’s heads, with their sound logic and brilliant deduction skills but instead it was only their votes and the good fortune of Chemist being offline, that was in actuality responsible for that. :/

[Nancy Drew 39]

This game and the fact that Duck allowed paranoia to take over his previously logical solve, depresses the hell out of me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Posting this because I'm an asshole who will abuse his rights:

Having no stake in this argument:

I firmly believe that Nancy is just venting her frustrations, and bears no ill will towards any of the player list.

I firmly believe that other people are just as valid in their hurt as Nancy is, and that too will fade with time.

I firmly believe that Chick is not attempting to attack Nancy's character, but rather avoid confrontations that will make them not like each other in the future.

I firmly believe that nothing that has been said here should negatively impact any friendships between the players.

I like and respect all of you, hope that you like and respect each other, and don't want this to spiral to a point where someone says something they don't really mean as a reaction.

Unlocking now. Just remember, you're all beautiful people and Jingle loves you.

Except the megaseal who ate RC. That guy sucks.

No offense to Jingle who is an awesome mod and an even more wonderful human being. <3

[Nancy Drew 39]

this was pretty townsided lel

Yeah, this was crazy town sided.

Scum did well to just get that far with that WIFOM plays.

Yeah, jjh was pretty damn impressive, I did skip through all of the spam, especially by DEB.

Spoiler:

I had like 45 pages to get through, I figured skipping meme wallposts would get me there a lot faster.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy, you were not bleeding obvtown. I get that you felt like that, but you knew you were town, so in your eyes, all your actions are town. If it were not for the mechanical clear that I had no reason to doubt, I would have been pushing AA hydra. There were several times I had written out a post and then scrapped it entirely because I had to remember that you were the most likely town in the game.

We all like to believe we're BLEEDING OBVTOWN but in reality, it's a bunch of yahoos who know close to nothing trying to decipher hidden meanings and actions.

Sorry Chick you’d be very wrong about that wrt to anyone familiar with my meta. Like I said, I challenge anyone who seriously agrees with this to ISO me and find even one single scumgame of mine, where I played even remotely similar to this one. So, that in a nutshell is why I’m the most frustrated with people who I would expect to be at least somewhat familiar with my meta.

ND - Sorry but I'd prefer not to play with you in the future. You take the game too personally, when it's supposed to be fun. And I've felt liekt his every game we've been in together.

You keep arguing about meta, but the fact you seem to be hyper aware of your own meta means it's useless. Meta itself is garbage, and personally, I don't rely on it. I will never do meta dives, I will never read games I was not a part of (I just have better ways to use my time). I don't even make it a point to specifically remember games I WAS a part of. Meta changes and evolves as we learn about our own play tendencies. I'm definitely not the player I was when I started playing mafia some 15 odd years ago. We all like to think we're giving off town vibes. Most of the time I think I'm being obvtown...and surprise, I'm not. If people are not town reading you, then you are NOT bleeding obvtown.

I do hope you're seeing what people are saying and taking this to heart as a learning experience. Mistakes were made on a lot of accounts here, but it was a good game. It had a hell of a cliffhanger night, and that was exciting. We have a scum team that played really well, and they were exceptionally graceful about losing. It was a great setup, thoughtfully prepared by Jingle. I don't understand why you're taking being scumread so personally? We're all here to play a game.

@the worst and @Chicadee: Do neither of you seriously not grasp why I am so pissed off at Chick’s reaction to this?

Her reaction to this post is clearly an attempt to misrep me and maybe my reaction was somewhat over the top att time but any reasonable, fair and truly objective person can clearly see that it was 100% warranted.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I feel I’ve been unfairly misinterpreted by a couple of people and it’s been weighing on me ever since.

[Nancy Drew 39]

You’re the best. :hug: