Mini 2087 - Surprise Mafia - Game Over

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VOTE: Cojones Kickers

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Anyone else notice rule 8?

VOTE: gameplay

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arc is prob scum

go on

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but I can’t explain why because of ongoing games

In the future it's preferable to not say things like this

Is there anything arc is doing ~in this game~ that makes you think scum

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Why discredit yourself?

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He pinged me by ignoring early interactions and blank voting

What was he supposed to do with the early interactions?

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I don't think RX strange brew goes for the hammer there if he's scum and knows that people are going to vote to lynch right after

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We should all claim who we voted to lynch during the night - I suggest popcorn style

After everybody claims I'll have some more thoughts

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We're 3 townies down going into day 2 with minimal info

I think we should plan for upcoming events if possible

something like if it's a bad event for 1 person we all target person x, but if it's a good event for 1 person we all target person y - I think this is a pro-town idea because it cuts down on the chaos/disorginization that I don't think will ever work in our favor

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Apart from the fact that I’m p sure the head of the hydra that did that was FL who entirely would do that as scum then hide behind this logic

He didn't have a chance to explain himself before the night voting phase

If that wasn't the event, but sure, but because it was there was reasonable risk of him being lynched out due to that


Popcorn style is when one person claims, then names the next person to claim

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I think at least on scum would be voting but be off the wagon

Why?

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You know what, let's start the popcorn claiming. I voted for momo because post 77 seemed pretty bad to me in hindsight after gameplay died, and they entered the thread with weird aggression. And their last line in 76 where they talk about NM is pretty useless. Oh and I thought a few other people would think as such and so this would have a chance of getting votes.

Popcorn to Voyc - so who did you vote and why

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It is important that we get everyone to claim where they voted last night

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Why is popcorn the best way of doing claims here

It forces content in a barren game, provides interactions, and gives players some agency in deciding the order of claims

And there aren't any big alternatives in my mind - there's "1 person decides the claim order for everyone" or "everyone claims whenever they want" as alternatives

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Why would you not make strange brew claim next tho

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I made it pretty clear that I don't scumread strange brew - that's your read

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It is important that we get everyone to claim where they voted last night

Hmm

Subtle shade noted btw

There's no downside to claiming and there are upsides

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Also your argument for strange brew being scum still doesn't acknowledge that there was a voting phase ehere he couldn't slip out of anything, which I talked about on the last page

Not a good luck when you're ignoring info to keep pushing instead of reassesing

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^ I don't like the idea in 124 either

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I think the way to go here is strange brew followed by dunn

We should finish claiming out tho, byt strange brew should be next not voyc

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Also stop trying to take control of things

Voyc should claim next

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VOTE: Cojones Kickers

Everything you're pushing/shading today seems scum-motivated

Your thought process for me being scum with rx Strange brew is VERY shallow too and I don't like that you keep pushing that

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@Dunn, why'd you want me to claim first?

Needed more content from you and you lightly pinged me with what you had

VOTE: Cojones Kickers

Everything you're pushing/shading today seems scum-motivated

Your thought process for me being scum with rx Strange brew is VERY shallow too and I don't like that you keep pushing that

Could you expand on what you're seeing that seems scum-motivated?

He came into today saying Strange brew is scum, when I pointed out that they'd go through a voting phase where they couldn't defend themself he ignored that and kept pushing.

He seems to be shading/trying to disrupt the claiming of votes, and now he's calling me scum and the only reason he's doing that is because I said strange brew is town -> that's a very shallow read

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Drew has got excellent odds of being scum

mechanically

Go on...

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Not sure how you can "poe" anything right now

We need more people to come in and actually play the game they signed up for

How confident are you in reads on Voyc through Ponchomonkey?

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Also your argument for strange brew being scum still doesn't acknowledge that there was a voting phase ehere he couldn't slip out of anything, which I talked about on the last page

Not a good luck when you're ignoring info to keep pushing instead of reassesing

Or better explanation he knew that hammering would bring us into a low info voting stage where the odds of a mislynch were still good, probs partly counting on your shitty logic that seems to be prevalent onsite that if someone does something objectively antitown that’s blatant then it’s too obvious for it to be scum so it should be forgiven

I mean you realise that’s exactly what scum rely on to play antitown moves right

Also even if it was to get him killed it would give two dead town to one scum with v little info, aka a gamestate primed for manipulation which still benefits scum

Did u just like not read this when you said I ignored your thing about the voting stage

Or r u just misrepping again?

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Actually i\I forgot about that

I don't agree that that is what my logic is exactly, they did something that could get them killed without the chance to argue back and that's what I felt like you weren't acknowledging

I don't think two dead town to one scum is a great trade at the start of the game..? 2-8 seems like worse odds than 3-10

“Keep pushing that” way to misrep

I mentioned you + strange brew scum twice, and only once as an actual thing

-M

Not sure what you're going on about here, you were pushing it

I’ve come round to Dunn is town but just bad but kinda depends on my PoE being right re:NM

I don't think you're in a position to call me bad when your reads are: Hammer = scummy, drew = scummy " " "mechanically" " ", not mafia scummy because of poe when people have single digit post numbers, Me scummy because I disagreed with your read

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Popcorn to somebody

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Alright strange brew forfeits their right to popcorn for taking too long

Cojone kickers you go next since you're l-2

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Super insightful from Momo by the way

You basically said that scum are either lurking or they're not

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I still think strange brew should go ahead of me

nice to see that you're abandoning popcorn when it suits you

Cool - they just went

I'm not abandoning anything, we're taking way too long to do this though and we need to keep moving

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I agree with Nance that Dunn is likely town, though. As someone who’s familiar with me as well, for him to get at Kickers is townie.

I made a mistake. I voted for Dunn last night based solely on his spot on the wagon yesterday.

Thankfully, that didn’t go through.

~FL

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Wiki warrior

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oh yeah, popcorn to drew

-M

Been on vacation this week, didn't think I would this LA though, my apologies.

And I voted for you Cojones over night.

Who hasn't gone yet?

Also popcorn to someone

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I mentioned that I voted for Momo as well

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VOTE: momo

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If you haven't outted who you voted at night yet do that when you check in

A50 you should ask who NM voted for if you weren't told

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And finish off the claims from n1 if we can

Say who you voted n1 if you haven't yet as you come in

And yes we should be claiming last nights stuff as well

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I empowered Dunn. I'm not sure if I'm TRing Dunn any more considering he was empowered and the NK went through :|

Do you fully understand last nights mechanics?

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I empowered Rx Strange Brew because I didn't think anybody else would and thought it would be an otherwise decent kill for mafia to make if they thought they couldn't get them lynched anymore

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Intent to hammer

Does anybody oppose this lynch?

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Night 1/2 theory stuff without remembering who voted what: Scum probably don't want to get caught in a counterclaim so they'll claim to have either voted for what passed through or what doesn't implicate any of them

pedit: ok...

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Are you J. K. Rowling?

What?

You correctly guessed that CK would be flipped and you threw Sky in there to be a possible mislynch after we flipped you.

Dunnstral it is then?

me it is what?

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I targeted Rx strange brew

Popcorn to Voyc

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I connected w Dunn bc I figured maybe people would use the playerlist

What does that mean?

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I think the mechanic goes that we had to make like a circle with all the townies
With the "connect" working as if holding hands

I connected w Dunn

Partner w either Dunn or A50, leaning towards Dunn

How does any of this make sense together?

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@Creature: Did I miss your claim of whom you targeted last night?

I targeted Voyc,

but more out of spite.

What does that mean...?

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And you thought everyone would target in a circle with no discussion on the mechanic at all?

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I thought they would target me

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Since I haven't been really engaged in this game I only took out Drew when I was choosing, bc he was the only one I felt good about a scumread on

Why did you say this if you were going in a circle? You should have only had one choice, right..?

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VOTE: Voyc

I think they're always scum from poe + their posts on the mechanics make no sense from a town perspective

Some of the town are really obvious town too

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Why not no-lynch in mylo? All the events were townsided, and Necroreveal in particular would have made a mislynch D5 rather less likely.

Future events may block kills/add additional kills

Town did not know the event was Necro, and the past 3 events were a kill then 2 blocks

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And the game wasn't scumsided, There was a lot of information to be gained from the events that town only gave a courtesy effort to trying to figure out - The day 2 hammer even happened before everybody claimed their night 1 targets, and before anyone could come forth and speculate "I think mafia would say they targeted ____" and the like