Open 762: CK9++ [Over!]

[Spangled]

Each night phase, you may forge a result on a player of your choice. This result will apply to all Investigative roles that check that player.

Like how does this work.

The way I read it, you make it appear as if they are something else — if a Tracker tracks them, they do whatever you say they did, if a Cop check them, they are whatever you say they are etc.

@mod
Is this more or less correct?

[Rick Dalton]

Well

VOTE: James

I say we lynch this. If it’s scum, Sakura’s probably town

[Sakura Hana]

that sounds OP af.

[Sakura Hana]

(and borderline bastard)

[Gamma Emerald]

I considered that (+godfather) but I don't want to consider it currently.

[Sakura Hana]

Imagine if scum had crafted me appear as scum targeting gob on the night i was checked by both the cop and the tracker and i'd have no way of defending about it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Though Sakura's reaction to this honestly makes me trust her more

[Sakura Hana]

But although.
Would scum resort to roleblocking gamma if there's a tailor?

[Gamma Emerald]

Tailor would need to guess my target right

[Spangled]

But although.
Would scum resort to roleblocking gamma if there's a tailor?

Maybe.
I mean, they couldn’t be sure that he’d check the same person that they’d frame.

[Sakura Hana]

Millers, (and framed players), always appear guilty to all investigative roles.
- A Miller/Framed Player will always appear to be "Not Town" to a Cop.
- A Miller/Framed Player will always appear to have visited a player who was nightkilled to a Tracker.
- A Miller/Framed Player will always appear to not be a Vanilla Townie to a Neapolitan.
- A Miller/Framed Player will always appear to have a gun to a Gunsmith.
- Players who have a tailor forge an Innocent result on them will always appear innocent to all investigative roles.
- An Innocently Tailored Player will always appear to be "Town" to a Cop.
- An Innocently Tailored Player will always appear to not have visited any player to a Tracker.
- An Innocently Tailored Player will always appear to be a Vanilla Townie to a Neapolitan.
- An Innocently Tailored Player will always appear to not have a gun to a Gunsmith.

Oof
That's OP af yeah.
Either universal godfather or universal miller.

[Sakura Hana]

And what's worse is that a player would unknowingly be an universal miller.
That's nasty.
Well I know i wont be playing this setup again, that's too bastard for me.

[Sakura Hana]

I was checking to see if scum would choose between GF or Tailor, but seems like they dont or i missed it.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not lynching Sakura ever, if Sakura is scum she's won the game

I think we should do VCA at this point with the amount of clears adding to the "flips"

[Persivul]

Good morning from beautiful garden city beach sc. Sun just peaked above the horizon clouds and is shining off the ocean. Soft waves are lapping up on shore. Life is good!

Regarding the setup: It's complex but it's not rocket surgery. If all our claims are true we're either in 3T, or in 1T with two unclaimed letters.

I want to ISO everyone before doing much more, but one question first: Gamma, what was with 1785?

[James Brafin]

Alright, I’m calling Gamma’s BS.
CC cop. I checked Persivul N1 and Rick N2. They’re both town.
VOTE: Gamma

[Sakura Hana]

Alright, I’m calling Gamma’s BS.
CC cop. I checked Persivul N1 and Rick N2. They’re both town.
VOTE: Gamma

Did you crumb your persivul check somewhere in case you got NK'd?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: James Brafin
ok
Btw there's no way both our claims are real

[Sakura Hana]

Atp im more willing to believe Gamma due to how he played D2.
But since we got a CC situation here im gonna ask both of you.
@Gamma why did u check me N1?
@James why did u check Persivul and Rick?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: james

can we do this

Sure, if you can provide a better reason than inactivity.

Does this come from a cop?
@Sakura I felt you were off somehow plus you aren't the easiest to read at times in general

[James Brafin]

Pers because he interacted with me super weirdly at the beginning of the game and then just kinda fell off my radar. Rick for somewhat the same reason, but also because of his weird replace-in and low-key lack of interaction. I’ve read that optimal cop checks their null reads first and that’s what I did.
I’m not gonna lie, this is only my second game as a PR. I didn’t crumb my result N1, because I try to fly way under the radar of both town and scum so I don’t get NK’d until I have at least 1 guilty, and I am NOT subtle at all. I’m not sure if that’s optimal play or not, but most of day 2 was me trying to lay low and not draw attention to myself.

Gamma: Hell yes it does. I’m not going to try and defend a shit inactivity read. If sky was going to actually have a reasonable discussion about things and try to make a decent case, then I would be willing to talk. Nice deflect though.

[James Brafin]

You know what the initial big claim post I think makes it more likely Gobb is SK over scum
VOTE: SkyG
I guess go on with this one? Also wdym lying about "one of the three"?

Out of idle curiosity, how does THIS come from cop?

[Sakura Hana]

If Gamma's scum he's been planning this fake cop thing since like start of D2, meanwhile your play doesnt look like a cop at all (which i guess it's a good thing if you are actually one, but doesnt make your claim more credible).

[Sakura Hana]

Meanwhile James' claim comes at a time when he and 2 others have been PoE'd out so it could be a hail mary kind of claim, I'll need to look at ISOs more.

[James Brafin]

And where is your crumb, because I can’t see it. All I see is you trolling.