Project ARCH - Epilogue

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haven’t*
I am somewhat*

@tanaka
I am expecting that you use the info I gave you and gimme some content to crunch on, otherwise I will assume it wasnt genuine

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PP was mafia? lmao, my first reaction was that he must not even have known himself until later in the day

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VOTE: mariar

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VOTE: fish monger

Reasons:

1) It's still fred the cat's slot and that replace out is more likely to come from scum
2) Slots with a high turnover rate of players are more likely to be scum
3) Pisskop's claimed role showed up on someone else who was town

Oh wait, here's a bonus

4) The company that Wheme belonged to, GenX, is identified by a blue color, and he sent out a blue envelope. Pisskop claims to send out red envelopes. We have not seen a company that is red, and it very well could be simotech that is red.

Johnson & Company are a red company

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Also from the flip the game is most likely singleball

How so ? I doubt PP was killed from a town aligned slot, 3P?

looks at bambi

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VOTE: fish monger

Reasons:

1) It's still fred the cat's slot and that replace out is more likely to come from scum
2) Slots with a high turnover rate of players are more likely to be scum
3) Pisskop's claimed role showed up on someone else who was town

Oh wait, here's a bonus

4) The company that Wheme belonged to, GenX, is identified by a blue color, and he sent out a blue envelope. Pisskop claims to send out red envelopes. We have not seen a company that is red, and it very well could be simotech that is red.

Johnson & Company are a red company

Also, Fred softed a thousand time he was a neihborizer of some sort, imo his role checks out and im not sure what is the likely hood of Aeon technologies using red enveloppes considering GenX (blue cie) used a blue enveloppe

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Maybe its multiball, and an even will happen if aeon & simotech are in the same letter PT ???

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Johnson & Company are a red company

Idk the list of companies show it more brown than red to me, but im not gonna use coloring to scumhunt anyhow.

A war in the name of the company.]All players have a company they were sent by, next to their alignment.

Alignment does not equal company per se
The following list contains all companies that could exist in this game:

• Iustitia
  
  
• WNGD Research Centre
  
  
• Aeon Technologies
  
  
  [color=brown*]Johnson and Family[/color]
  
  
• GenX Inc.
  
  
• Securipal
  
  
• Outcasts

(no company, unemployed)

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VOTE: mariar

Also, why Maria in particular?

secret

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RP said his ability doesnt work on simotech tho? @Dunn
However it's possible he could be aligned with Aeon Technologies.

Didn't someone talk about knowledge of it being an alignment on D1?

Not a good secret if your open about it.

I am not sure why you assume I would have any qualms about refusing to answer someone who do not share my alignement : )

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Is your quoting thing still broken.

Yes, i think its brower related, its annoying af

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Hmmm if that’s a vig shot then Almost is def scum. If not then, I’m not sure anymore

Bambi who did you say you were aligned with/employed by?

Kwat, explain that though process

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Also from the flip the game is most likely singleball

How so ? I doubt PP was killed from a town aligned slot, 3P?

looks at bambi

If there was another scumteam the scum wincon wording would likely be different.

"or nothing can prevent it from happening"

Maybe its multiball and they can joint?

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I thought it was "lynched" as well.

@FIsh can i politely ask that you do your reading in a single post and/or behind spoiler tags, it clutters the thread when you quote post from d1

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Wait. Wait wait Wait.

Okay town, consider this my contribution for today.

If a lynched player was aligned with Simotech, all players receive an additional 2 Serum.

Pengu is aligned with AEON, not Simotech.

So i was correct/wrong, good catch

Also, what if simotech aren't in the game and its just a fluff sentence from the mods paranoia intensifies

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Honestly the fact Gamma, Fish, OR Cloud didn't fact-check me is weird, but that's all I'll say on the matter since I'm not in a position to push anything,

I assumed I misread it because we talked about the mechanics of serum gain earlier in d1, I don't really expect/believe people purposefully lies on verifiable info, so I dont really care to double check

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Also, what if simotech aren't in the game and its just a fluff sentence from the mods paranoia intensifies

The Mod was very specific in the Simotech mentioning. Town is Rebels. Main scum is Simotech. Whatever Aeon is, it isn't one of those.

It was a joke, i was saying that maybe Simotech are just not in the game

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Actually what if Aeon was a mislead, other role flips weren't redacted. That redaction honestly has been bothering me the most out of anything rn

What do you mean? They are clearly an anti-town aligned faction

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Also Red Panda got some explaining to do.

What do i have to explain exactly? Why do you imply that somehow the flips shades my slot in ANY way whatsoever?

You're not RedPanda but you popping off like this sure makes you trustworthy

Lmao what, are you saying im scummy for misreading a post that i thought was shading my slot? How is that anyway linked to redpanda? My post answer had nothing RP related

Im growing more and more interested in a flip from cloud.

this emotional reaction/playstyle is not a good look.

Why is it not a good look? How is my reaction playstyle alignement related in any way

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Also Red Panda got some explaining to do.

What do i have to explain exactly? Why do you imply that somehow the flips shades my slot in ANY way whatsoever?

You're not RedPanda but you popping off like this sure makes you trustworthy

Lmao what, are you saying im scummy for misreading a post that i thought was shading my slot? How is that anyway linked to redpanda? My post answer had nothing RP related

My issue is you being on edge like you are

Im on edge because im getting pinned this shit for no reasons, i absolutely dislike being fosed as town

hey cloud, did you know I targeted you last night? And you arent in my red seal hood.

Why would you want a pt with a sr? Also you havent talked too much about my slot at the replace-in. If you actually read the game and decided to pick my slot, I am pretty sure it would've showed at day start.

That being said, yes i received your letter, no I am not any mod confirmed hood (besides mod errors). Its pretty clear that i believed your pred role claim when i answer to dun

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Btw Oversoul has been consistently town telling in the past 2 pages or so

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Ck you said You had some info that Aeon were the good guys? What was it?

I was wrong I guess, hence my mariar vote

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Yes I also think its a pretty complicated setup and I juste stopped trying to predict stuff from flavor, ill just roll and vote scummy slots

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Instead of rushing the day and voting people up, maybe yall fucker should take a seat and let the town confirmed slot talk. The wagon mechanics in this game w/ serum incites people to sheep the closer it is to the lynch.

Also, rain, get off my dick. Your case is comf bias, shallow and wrong. Sakura changing her mind on my slot when i praticaly vomitted my role d1 just to make a point across. It is very OBVIOUS that I am town and what my role is.

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Like, the length went with no information D1 and how I projected my role could not have been faked since it wouldve been detrimental as scum. This game is a fiasco and the actual scummy slot are not looked into

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Sakura changing her mind on my slot when i praticaly vomitted my role d1 just to make a point across.

I mean so did i.
BUT it's the sample role PM.

Everything I did from A to Z at unwd claim was Pro town af. I pointed out the sample role and I even sliped my pov once too many times.

Why do you even play forum mafia when you are second guessing my slot from your pov? Its beyond me that you cant appreciate how the way i played makes 0 sens as anything mafia, it is not even fakeable

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Why do you even play forum mafia when you are second guessing my slot from your pov?

Uhh... What? so to play forum mafia i cant second guess myself?

w/e, you didnt even understand what was happening at the end of d1 nor did you catch me asking you to keep shut about your role, I dont think you can understand the tell I am talking about, i will be just wasting my time

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Nor why you are so sure i am town.

Exactly, you dont even understand a basic pov tell

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Me confusing? Are you shitting me

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Fuck off bambi, i did more than any slot in this game

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And what about my behaviors and actions exactly? @Bambi

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Sakura, i had fucking information, I am the first one who ASSUMED in thread that the sample role was common, I INVENTED this piece of information D1 before we had any claims. Where do you think i got that information? I rolled a dice and decide to soft the sample role pm to look towny?

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It's like there's too many scum in this game if the only ppl that can be pushed end up flipping town.

PP wasnt pushed, he was misread. I personnally thought that he was PR

MariaR has not been pushed at all this game and has no content
Claude has no content
Kidam had no content today, yet no one mention them

Fish's vote on me is extremely scummy and he hasnt answered to my post about his night actions. Also him trying to lynch me over waiting for me to be in his PT looks like a pov slip to me (or just bad play)

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Also primate's hammer d2 was a scumclaim imo and i have no clue how no one mentionned it either

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Wheme was starting to towntell pretty heavily and the wagon did speed up, in about an evening he got the 2nd half of his votes and not a single one of you unvoted just to 2nd that maybe, just maybe wheme was a town lynch bait. Thats why i said that MAYBE yall should stop wagonning people too hard and let Dun/Raut lead a bit, especially votes wise

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I'm voting Claude tho.
Kidamm's town.
scum!MariaR wouldnt be this lackluster.

I wanted to push PK yesterday but i got stonewalled because "NO HE'S NOT SIMOTECH GET OFF HIM" by redpanda and apparently he thinks he's scum now or something?

Thats why we should stop acting individually and let the town block form, we have no read list, no actual cases on anyone, just people voting left and right, this will never be a town win that way, its way too easy to justfiy and blend scums votes with how town is acting

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I made a reads list yesterday, twice even.

Yes you, I did, RP did and Gamma did. Its also a 19p game and 4 slots have virtually NO content and yall are pushing on someone who harddefended a VT claim d1 and has the most posts so far, also only rain has a case and it can be summarized to him thinking im mefia for using strong words like fucking/obvious/blablabla. I also am aware of the tell but in comparison, I am also aware that it is not enough.

He has dismissed ALL the content I did and try to pin the way I talk and react as scum indivative, when its just me being genuine and transparent, like i said i would be

The votes are shits, the cases are shits, theres no direction

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At this point i rather be dead by mislynch or nk than feel like im trying to stop a full speed train with my bare hands everytime i scumread someone.

I feel the other way, its impossible to push on actual scum

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UNVOTE: i will unvote for the sake of what i explained earlier and how voting left and right is bad for town

I would like Dun/Raut to make a good 2-3 cases on their biggest scumread, then we push the claims, reads and then vote

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I will HC for sake of transparency.

Johnson & Family + VT/Activated BP

When I told CC the reason unwnd claimed in 2 posts and posted his BP ability 2nd was that maybe he forgot the ability at all.. was because I forgot myself mid d1 and just played like a full VT in my mind

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Thanks a lot guys it's like it takes me TO STOP VOTING SOMEONE for ppl to finally vote there.

Johnson & Family

???
This is interesting.

I know, i read the flavor and saw that my brother was getting corrupted by the simotech, lemme double check my flavor role pm

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Chapter 2: The Impossible Job

Johnson and Family main building, El Cajon, 2175

"Are these people out of their minds?!"
"Sure they are, but have you seen the amount of money they're offering for this? We can expand and become one of the major players on the market!"

"Jason, my dude, they're asking us to build a fucking factory high up in the mountains. We can't possibly do that you know? Besides, don't you think this is super fishy?"
"With the reward we're offered for it? We'll make it happen and I couldn't care less what they're going to do with it - hell, let them produce cocaine there, it's not our responsibility. We build it somehow, get our cash and then the fuck out, no strings attached."

"I don't know man, it's jus-"
"We're doing it, no matter what. We need this money to go big, brother. Isn't that what we were going for? 'With every stone, closer to the sky we go' still is our motto isn't it?"

"Whatever man, as long as we won't get into trouble. I'll go call. bald Bob and the boys."

Celestial Coordinates was killed last Night. Their role PM is the following:

Spoiler: Role PM

Will the world stop spinning if I leave tonight?

If you saw thousands of dead bodies, are you still afraid of death? Are you used to decay, or does its face keep you up, every night again?
Let me tell you something. Remember it well, and think about it.

Humans care for others, as long as they don't have to care about themselves. Once their life is at stake, anyone else can die, over and over again. Humans are selfish, programmed for survival, not love.
When you are ordered to kill your parents, you kill your parents.

Was it the wrong thing to do? Maybe. But I am human, and I want to survive.
Or... wanted to, anyway.

When life gives you lemons, you squeeze them in the eyes of your enemies and make sure they never see light again.
When forced, everyone can and will become an assassin. It's human.

I found my way with poison. Silent, peaceful and deadly. It's incredible how just a little amount of something seemingly unimportant can cause so, so much damage. Combine it with alcohol, and death is imminent.
You see, I never wanted to be a murderer. When life forces you to, so will you.
When the last bit of life is drained from your already rotting corpse, you'll know that you would have done everything to prevent it.

But the world keeps spinning.

You are

Liam Porter, sent by

GenX Inc.

, Aligned with

The Rebels

.

You have the following abilities:

• Strange vodka gets you a long way.
  
  Every night, you may roleblock a player at the cost of 1 serum, effectively preventing any action they take that night. Once you have used this ability, you have to pay an upkeep of 1 serum every night.

You win when all threats to the Rebellion have been eliminated.

Day 2 starts now.

I am Shawn Grant and this flavor flip is talking about a "Jason". IIRC bambi claimed Lucas Grant so I am assuming Jason of Johnson & Family is prob scum

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I thought Jason was supposed to be 2 ppl.

I guess not, at the end hes also talking about "Bob and the boys"

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Chapter 2: The Impossible Job

Johnson and Family main building, El Cajon, 2175

"Are these people out of their minds?!"
"Sure they are, but have you seen the amount of money they're offering for this? We can expand and become one of the major players on the market!"

"Jason, my dude, they're asking us to build a fucking factory high up in the mountains. We can't possibly do that you know? Besides, don't you think this is super fishy?"
"With the reward we're offered for it? We'll make it happen and I couldn't care less what they're going to do with it - hell, let them produce cocaine there, it's not our responsibility. We build it somehow, get our cash and then the fuck out, no strings attached."

"I don't know man, it's jus-"
"We're doing it, no matter what. We need this money to go big, brother. Isn't that what we were going for? 'With every stone, closer to the sky we go' still is our motto isn't it?"

"Whatever man, as long as we won't get into trouble. I'll go call. bald Bob and the boys."

Celestial Coordinates was killed last Night. Their role PM is the following:

Spoiler: Role PM

Will the world stop spinning if I leave tonight?

If you saw thousands of dead bodies, are you still afraid of death? Are you used to decay, or does its face keep you up, every night again?
Let me tell you something. Remember it well, and think about it.

Humans care for others, as long as they don't have to care about themselves. Once their life is at stake, anyone else can die, over and over again. Humans are selfish, programmed for survival, not love.
When you are ordered to kill your parents, you kill your parents.

Was it the wrong thing to do? Maybe. But I am human, and I want to survive.
Or... wanted to, anyway.

When life gives you lemons, you squeeze them in the eyes of your enemies and make sure they never see light again.
When forced, everyone can and will become an assassin. It's human.

I found my way with poison. Silent, peaceful and deadly. It's incredible how just a little amount of something seemingly unimportant can cause so, so much damage. Combine it with alcohol, and death is imminent.
You see, I never wanted to be a murderer. When life forces you to, so will you.
When the last bit of life is drained from your already rotting corpse, you'll know that you would have done everything to prevent it.

But the world keeps spinning.

You are

Liam Porter, sent by

GenX Inc.

, Aligned with

The Rebels

.

You have the following abilities:

• Strange vodka gets you a long way.
  
  Every night, you may roleblock a player at the cost of 1 serum, effectively preventing any action they take that night. Once you have used this ability, you have to pay an upkeep of 1 serum every night.

You win when all threats to the Rebellion have been eliminated.

Day 2 starts now.

I am Shawn Grant and this flavor flip is talking about a "Jason". IIRC bambi claimed Lucas Grant so I am assuming Jason of Johnson & Family is prob scum

Would've preferred you held onto this to catch someone

Honest truth is that I got pretty tired playing the flavor game and i just want to lynch scum, im playing cards on table

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Also I think theres a slot from INSTITUA that is scum @Gamma

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But arent the ppl from Jhonson being paid by Simotech to build something for them.

Honestly my role flavor says that I am tired of pretending to be someone that I am not, implying that hes doing atrocities that he is not proud of. It is even mentionned that i did commit murder and I have a hard time sleeping because I think about what I am doing/did

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I dislikes pt as a mechanism most often than not, it divides the activity and not all content is available to all players. I am not gonna lie, it affects my motivation in this game

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Sakura changing her mind on my slot when i praticaly vomitted my role d1 just to make a point across.

I mean so did i.
BUT it's the sample role PM.

Everything I did from A to Z at unwd claim was Pro town af. I pointed out the sample role and I even sliped my pov once too many times.

Why do you even play forum mafia when you are second guessing my slot from your pov? Its beyond me that you cant appreciate how the way i played makes 0 sens as anything mafia, it is not even fakeable

No it wasn't pro town

You kept saying "unwind is town lol" but never really defended the slot. Do you even know how to...defend town reads? Because that's something town does and scum doesn't.

Surprise

You didn't stop his lynch neither REALLY tried.

PS: You're again using buzzwords like it's *obvious* you're town, which is something very very shaddy and if you were town I would recommend you to never do this.

lol its obvious you are comf biasing and obvious anything I say wont make you change your mind ,be it personality, lack of competence, alignement or grudge

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Nor why you are so sure i am town.

Then you started to notice that he has too many 100% town reads for flimsy reasons?

good.

Flimsy reasons? The sakura read is probably the hardest read i even had in this fucking site on 20 games +, you dont even understand and you dare claim my read has no basis

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tbh cloud is the much better lynch here.

Panda can still be a tryhard town dumbass whose gambits have backfired.

How am i a good lynch you lying scumlord. You sent me a letter and i answered your post, you havent said a single word about my answer but shade me constantly without any content. What is your case against me? How am i a better lynch in any way than someone you claim told you was scum in a private PT?

Why am i scum fish, how am i a better lynch ?

Are you going to dodge this post too ?

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panda is caught. your flip will ensure his lynch, no questions asked.

This is so fucking stupid and not a genuine town POV

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To my defense, I thought it was an answer to 3981 and directe at me, i caught up in thread. That being said, primate is still obvious scum

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tbh cloud is the much better lynch here.

Panda can still be a tryhard town dumbass whose gambits have backfired.

How am i a good lynch you lying scumlord. You sent me a letter and i answered your post, you havent said a single word about my answer but shade me constantly without any content. What is your case against me? How am i a better lynch in any way than someone you claim told you was scum in a private PT?

Why am i scum fish, how am i a better lynch ?

Are you going to dodge this post too ?

You can't answer questions directed at you, can you

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Cloud, are you honestly going to tell me you didnt read the post I made and then have the god damn brine to say Im dodging?

No wonder youre dying today

How is that related to your fos on my slot in any way

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Cloud, are you honestly going to tell me you didnt read the post I made and then have the god damn brine to say Im dodging?

No wonder youre dying today

How is that related to your fos on my slot in any way

Too late. Im no longer engaging with you. die

You never engaged me to begin with, this is deflection and dodging, not very towny of you and speaks loud about your motives. You had no content and kept shading my slot, i called you out twice, now you back down, classic

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But hey you're doing me a favor with the gladiate.
Either i get my SR lynched.
Or I get lynched and i dont need to bother solving this confusing af game, nor get mad over not being able to get my SRs lynched.
win-win for me.

It was a joke

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Its very hard to believe you are town with how you have been acting out

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I feel like most people dont take random gladiates seriously anymore, and I further feel like, since I have already claimed, it wasnt believable anyway.

Why did you feel compelled to overjustify yourself there when i answered sakura for you, pretty funny how scum being self-consciousness works uh

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Its very hard to believe you are town with how you have been acting out

Except youre the top wagon.

Except this town share my alignement in the majority and you have been scumtelling the past 2 pages, good luck with that

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scum fish

your reactions are all -well- over the top.

Btw is that you "case" or reasons to fos me? Really? Out of everything that happened this game, your highest fos is someone who is reacting "over the top''

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Its very hard to believe you are town with how you have been acting out

Except youre the top wagon.

Also this answer is pretty odd. The fact that I am the top wagon or not has nothing to do with how scummy and dodgy you have been, why do you mention that I am the top wagon then ?
You are implying that my opinion won't matter because I will be dead correct? Not really a town pov either because you aren't assuming you can be wrong and doesn't try to engage me on why I think you have been scummy

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I feel like most people dont take random gladiates seriously anymore, and I further feel like, since I have already claimed, it wasnt believable anyway.

Why did you feel compelled to overjustify yourself there when i answered sakura for you, pretty funny how scum being self-consciousness works uh

I am not going to do this petty shit with you kiddo, but I will ask you, for your own benefit and completely rhetorically:

Why do you think I would take your word as a viable substitute in the public forum for my own?
What makes you think you have the authority to speak for me, and that people would not ask me to confirm any information personally?

Are you really this naive as to believe your actions are a substitute for my own?

lol wat, you could've just confirmed it was a joke. What I am saying is that you started overjustifying yourself when no one solicited said justification. Also chill dude

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how scummy and dodgy you have been,

ahhh, but it does have implications for how scummy I can be and get away with it, or how scummy you are that you are the top wagon when Im apparently doing this.

How is that relevant, i have been voted by 3-4 slots because I was being inactive for a few days and people have a bad habits on 2nd guessing low activity slots or people who have been away for a while. It is not a real-time game, the amount of vote at any moment is not the real state of the game AKA where most people's reads are after all the new content has been read.

Like, are you ever going to engage me on your fos are you trying to sell me that with how in love you are with your person, your hardest fos is someone reacting over the top. Is that the kind of town player you are trying to sell me?

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VOTE: primate

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I dont even know whos katy either, do you really expect ppl to answer you when you are being ambiguous about your qs

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sorry.

Rainn

Hes town, a weaboo and most likely grudging. He mentioned a tell that I also am aware of and I know I have been fosed in the past for it and has been using it with decent success in the past. Hes just basically lost read wise and thinks im the big bad for very very weak stuff.

His tunnel could come from scum since hes being extremely dense, but hey, some of his content is above average

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If you were asking about his pred, i TR'd RCS @fish and had a bunch of mirror tell with her d1

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sorry.

Rainn

Hes town, a

weaboo

and most likely grudging.

hey, i'm not a complete weaboo, i play with the knight class instead of the samurai one.

He mentioned a tell that I also am aware of and I know I have been fosed in the past for it and has been using it with decent success in the past. Hes just basically lost read wise and thinks im the big bad for very very weak stuff.

Redpanda is not simotech
A50 isn't simotech imo
Rauth/Dunn are probably not simotech
Sakura isn't simotech
You're the sole alive person that could have messed up with oversoul role if that is ever true
You've been showing very averagely accurate scum tells and here you even acknowledged it yourself

Mechanically speaking, most of the people is already out of the table. From the rest of it, I think you're the most likely scum and i'm nowhere lost read-wise.

His tunnel could come from scum since hes being extremely dense, but hey, some of his content is above average

I'm actually a dense person but that's beside the game.

If you cared to meta me like you said you would, you would notice your tell doesnt apply on me (and my profile as a player)
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If anything, I projected my role d1 at uwnd lynch, even you should be able to see this. Not everything is faked in a game pf mefia you know

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Wheme was starting to towntell pretty heavily and the wagon did speed up, in about an evening he got the 2nd half of his votes and not a single one of you unvoted just to 2nd that maybe, just maybe wheme was a town lynch bait. Thats why i said that MAYBE yall should stop wagonning people too hard and let Dun/Raut lead a bit, especially votes wise

This is BULLSHIT. He tries to be manipulative like this every goddamn time.

Cloud, here is what Ctrl+F the "Wheme" word shows in your recent ISO:

I also feel less and less inclined to buy wheme shit plays as town

I have been on a computer for the past 10 days (am playing on cellphone data) so it’s not the most fun experience for me to read and produce content.

I somewhat satisfied with the wheme wagon VOTE: whyme

Can Cloud like...just get lynched already?

You can't be more manipulative than him being neurotic and constantly making things up. If this is town him all I would have to say is to stop trying to "outsmart" town with petty lies because that's scum job and scum meta.

Town towntell by being sincere.

What lies? I was wavering on wheme but never did I want him lynched there at the moment he got hammered, thats not the same thing

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UNVOTE: i will unvote for the sake of what i explained earlier and how voting left and right is bad for town

I would like Dun/Raut to make a good 2-3 cases on their biggest scumread, then we push the claims, reads and then vote

"look at me i'm such a town guy by making a public discourse about leaving the masons to decide the lynches when i already know they town read me so it's all smooth as butter"

Have you ever tried being more genuinely town and like...having opinions about who is scum or not?

This just doesn't make sense if you're really aggressive as you post as. People with your *supposedly* personality just don't say "oh well choose anything for me" like that so easily.

everything about this post is LAMIST and it makes zero sense from a townie that are confident in themselves/their reads.

You have reading comprehension issue and are heavily biased, LAMIST stuff on my main site is encouraged FTR, i know its frowned upon here but its w/e

[CloudKicker]

If you cared to meta me like you said you would, you would notice your tell doesnt apply on me (and my profile as a player)

I never said I would meta you for sure, I already explained this.

If anything, I projected my role d1 at uwnd lynch, even you should be able to see this. Not everything is faked in a game pf mefia you know

First it's about you hard defending him d1 and now it's about you "projected your role on him"?

Sorry, they aren't really the same thing. You didn't really stop the unwind wagon even a little bit with your posts and now that interaction is being used solely for you to say you're conftown.

I don't see anything worth town reading here tbh.

Jeez ure dense as a rock, what even is that stupid post, did you even read the game d1? Do you think i had town’s balls in my hands when i was basically top 2nd wagon option? Also i never said my read on uwnd makes me conftown, in saying how much i believed his claim at face value and how i reacted makes it obvious what my role is, then you can deduct that i would have reacted this way as a scum vt/activated bp

[CloudKicker]

The way you talk you assumed I was responsible from not getting uwnd lynched, my read wasnt 100% on them and he kinda slipd near the end, even if i changed my mind at the time. I was pretty vocal that i though he was town (primate too and RP as well). Everytime i said anything about uwnd, CC would dismiss it as scum interactions and just shade my slot

[CloudKicker]

Cloud you even said chemist was town in one of your posts in d1

you also said earlier on that wheme was town for ??? reasons.

you just give out free town reads and if we mislynch it you claim "lol i said we shouldn't do it"

there has been two lynches and you did it on both. You constantly claim to have hard defended unwind in d1 when that isn't genuine (at most you posted things like "I think he is town") and you claimed to have suggested Wheme was town lynchbaity when you never did it at all.

So fucking what????? I can say that everyone is town how does that make me scum?

Free town reads? Why do you assume they are free ? Did you EVER ask me directly about my reads, did you EVER engaged me and tried to understand where my reads are coming from?
WHY do you assume my reads are "free" and you don't assume others are? Thats called

COMFIRMATION BIAS

Yes two lynches!
The first one was completely inevitable and I was most likely 2nd lynch option. I didn't believe in the lynch but he had to get lynched, it wasn't moving so I voted for serum. What is scum indicative in my d1 lynch behavior? Can you make anything close to a case beside me using "fuck" a lot, smh

d2, why do you put this lynch on my ass? I was like 4-5th vote and I was at work all evening, i saw the flip when i finished my shift at 23h something and was upset, i even sent a rage PM to the mod because the quick hammer should never have happened, never. My 4-5th vote was to make emphasis on scum's intent to have wheme produce content or claim, my vote wasn't to lynch him right then and there. Wheme did produce content and I would've unvoted, no one did and a bunch of scum votes finished the wagon in like a few hours.
WHY do you pin this shit on me if not

COMFIRMATION BIAS

I DID defend uwnd, but I am NOT responsible from town's behavior and if they decides not to unvote uwnd. I did hard townread Uwnd like close to day start for tone and a few posts (that i quoted and said he towntold), but my read did start to be lesser near the end, I might also have been influenced by others that I townread (CC and sakura namely). But after his claim, imo it was pretty blatant he was town but it was way too late anyway.

Wheme is a town lynchbait in itself, regardless of the content he produces, maybe i didnt said so in game but thats basically how i approach the slot. Again, vote is not responsible for his lynch

[CloudKicker]

Your town meta would be essentially...being scum. By:
1. doing lots of posts that aren't really useful/don't say much, just so you can claim you have "lots of posts".
2. appealing to LAMIST public discourses.
3. Be over-the-top with remarks like "i'm obvtown and you're bad for not seeing it" when you don't really have that much going on for you
4. Try to paint your actions as super pro-town when they aren't. Focusing on your image instead of lynching scum/preventing town mislynches.

Then yeah, I'm going to keep you forever in my lynch list I imagine. Not impossible to change but very very hard.

This isn't bias.

Man you are infuriating, I went on my laptop because you need more words to understand stuff.

1. You dont fucking know anything about my meta or my play, don't you dare say anything if you havent searched my games. If you did, post your thought, otherwise dont be that guy
2. LAMIST is considering scummy on this site. What makes it scum indicative? What do you think is my motive by trying to be townread? Don't you think that motive could also come from town?
3. I am obvtown and primate is obvscum. You are obvdense. I have been fighting for my slot since CC has been on my ass, Sakura/gamma wanted me after the flip and now you tunneling for hilariously shallow stuff. You blame me for not focusing on "lynching scum/prevent town mislynches"

WHO THE FUCK DID LMAO?

Did a single slot EVEN tried to read wheme correctly when he was near lynch? No, why do you blame me for that? I have been trying to lynch primate for 2 days in a row, the moment I vote Wheme and im gone for 8hours, hes lynched on the spot and you blame me?

4. My actions are PRO-TOWN, why do you imply that me "painting my actions as town" is scummy? How does that gymnastic in your head is working out. Do you seriously believe that me explaining what i did as town is scum indicative? that I am projecting a certain scum agenda in trying to

not get fucking lynched?

Your case is non existent, the more I push your read on me the more I see there's just nothing there of value. Basically you just disagree that I am town and mention stupid old tell like LAMIST/strong words and blame me for the state of the game when I did much more than most. Why dont you blame MariaR? Chemist? Primate? Kidam? etc

[CloudKicker]

I might also have been influenced by others that I townread (CC and sakura namely).

Wait, you townread me before i slipped my role info?

Yes, you were obv town, your role info just cemented the read into the stratosphere

[CloudKicker]

Rain, you are wrong and you are use single piece of stupid information to tie that up with your read, which is something you accused me of doing at your replace-in

[CloudKicker]

You know Rainn has a point, it feels like everytime i want to lynch CK he just starts insulting me about "how he should be conf town to me".

Because you should Sakuara, its infuriating that you are wavering your read on me

[CloudKicker]

d2, why do you put this lynch on my ass? I was like 4-5th vote and I was at work all evening, i saw the flip when i finished my shift at 23h something and was upset, i even sent a rage PM to the mod because the quick hammer should never have happened, never. My 4-5th vote was to make emphasis on scum's intent to have wheme produce content or claim, my vote wasn't to lynch him right then and there. Wheme did produce content and I would've unvoted, no one did and a bunch of scum votes finished the wagon in like a few hours.

Like...

you basically backpedal here.

First you claim to have suggested for the wheme wagon to not happen.

Now you claim to haven't made it in time to the thread to "save" wheme.

lol.

Ofc you also finish with your favorite line "it's conf bias".

I think pisskpop slot has good odds of being scum but your slot is just a priority here.

The ingenuity baffles me.

Remember this?:

also sakure dont even imply that you are capable of independently doubting anything

It's just insults

you should be the single slot who should townread me the most because we are almost mechanically cleared to each other, but you are so blind that i need to state that for you

More insults.

Nor why you are so sure i am town.

Exactly, you dont even understand a basic pov tell

Even more insults.

Take a 5 minutes and read my town meta, thats textbook town me

[CloudKicker]

And yes I am manipulative if i need to be, if you aren't you don't play the game well. Sakuara d2 I had to convince you that I am town else id be lynched probably. You are the slot that should understand most that I am town from your pov, like we said earlier.

Its not important what people do, its important why they do, motives is gold in determining if something is AI, not the path taken.

[CloudKicker]

2. LAMIST is considering scummy on this site. What makes it scum indicative? What do you think is my motive by trying to be townread? Don't you think that motive could also come from town?

LAMIST means "look at me I'm so town".

It's different than town genuinely trying to be town read (look at distressed-me in d2 trying to town tell but also being sincere or at least as sincere as possible on it).

You don't try to look town by being genuine, sincere or explaining thoughtful reads.

Yo do it by hyper posting over-the-top posts in engaged talks that you quickly leave in the dust (you did all that talk about fish only to go back to primate, for example).

You also try to look town by making up stuff like you did in your interactions with Sakura, in your "I defended them so much" about unwind and...your complete lie about Wheme wagon.

You also public discourse everything. Every post you write is like a talk to the audience instead of being you going through the emotions/reads inside your head.

This behavior is scummy and if it wasn't it wouldn't be a tell in the first place. I don't care about your home site, even changing the amount of days in a game of mafia drastically change things.

Why do you dismiss all my post just to engage the most irrelevant fucking part and talks about semantics??

[CloudKicker]

Rainn's content about the mechanics of the game were pretty good, but this whole push on me is objectively abysmal

[CloudKicker]

Yo do it by hyper posting over-the-top posts in engaged talks that you quickly leave in the dust (you did all that talk about fish only to go back to primate, for example).

Btw thats you having reading issue. Why do you even think its scummy to vote primate there? I said hes my top fos many times and i said fish was scummy. Can't I vote someone else than a recent fos? Like am I scummy for not OMGUSING someone i just 1vs1'd ? lold

[CloudKicker]

Rainn's push on me wouldve been considered a scum claim in any decent table, its hilariously bad and content less

[CloudKicker]

And yes I am manipulative if i need to be, if you aren't you don't play the game well.

That's a half-truth

When I don't fool around I'm usually the most town read player in the games. If I had to say anything, yes, it is because I'm manipulative.

When I start game as town, I really take care about first impressions and of explaining my thought process, as well as not being too flippant. I also try to make town cohesion get better.

However, what you've done is a different kind of manipulation.

hard insulting people, completely making stuff up, posting with ingenuity. That's scummy-manipulation.

No one asked you, why do you give content you haven't been solicited for? yet you don't answer to my posts when I engage you on your content. See, that is scummy and a common scum tell. Also you dont think you are being manipulative? You keep saying that I am posting with ingenuity when I was being transparent from the start of the game and I answered the majority of your post about this topic, yet you keep the same opinion again and again, refuses to take new infos into consideration. Refuse to take into account the culture of my main mafia site in trying to read me. Thats not very towny of you is it?

[CloudKicker]

lol okay whatever, Rainn won I am mafia

[CloudKicker]

Rainn and sakura are too in sync, can't beat the animes

[CloudKicker]

No one asked you, why do you give content you haven't been solicited for?

What the hell is even this.

This is a common scum tell. People over justifying themselves when no one asked them, basically it implies that the content of their justification is for their image and how they are read by the other players.

[CloudKicker]

As I was saying, I do not TR the person behind the mask.

who is the mask anyway

my mind is too tired of trying to lynch CK to process any kind of info right now.

Btw you caught, me you are a very good detective

[CloudKicker]

No one asked you, why do you give content you haven't been solicited for?

What the hell is even this.

This is a common scum tell. People over justifying themselves when no one asked them, basically it implies that the content of their justification is for their image and how they are read by the other players.

I'm explaining it because...it's the unique way to convince people.

I've been saying you were scum since when?

start of d2?

I never hard pushed you as hard as I'm doing right now, and because of that you never had as much chances of being lynched as you have now.

I explain my thought process on you because that's what makes people understand my points and vote you.

Hey, its okay, you found me, no need to engage with me further

[CloudKicker]

What cloud is doing; Its kind of a shitty thing to do though


I might be swayed to policy it.

Can't beat them, at least he won't keep vomiting shit reasoning all over my dick if I give him the candy

[CloudKicker]

Next time I will check the player list before signing up

[CloudKicker]

Next time I will check the player list before signing up

If you flip not!green, I will find your play downright revolting.

This is way worse than some 1v1.

Im much kinder as scum, dw

[CloudKicker]

Granted i promised myself i'd give Rainn his lynch today, specially coz im tired of how CK's been treating me this game.

I havent insulted you in a long while, im not sure why you bring this up rn

[CloudKicker]

Granted i promised myself i'd give Rainn his lynch today, specially coz im tired of how CK's been treating me this game.

I havent insulted you in a long while, im not sure why you bring this up rn

You'll soon find out i can be quite a resentful girl.

Petty, why should I be expected to stay sane when I am playing with people voting irrationally

[CloudKicker]

I feel like replacing out but I won’t do that to mod and the replace in. Sakura, what is you OS case?

[CloudKicker]

Maybe dont insult your townreads next time.

Maybe don’t scumread town that are role confirmed from your pov via the most basic tell in the anal of mafia

[CloudKicker]

Want to switch over for OS today and CK tomorrow?

I could if you want to.

Btw preflips and lynching chain is historically scummy and manipulative. Dont you have anything to say about that? What if i changed my avatar to an anime, would you play rationally?

[CloudKicker]

Sakura, what is you OS case?

He's lying about his claim.
He's been overall scummy.
Neither his claim nor his millerization have been proven.
His predecessor was scummy too.

How do you know hes lying? Is it about the serum thing? You know that everyone received 2 serums last night
+ OS towntold with his a50 exchange

[CloudKicker]

I mean everyone on the wagon*

[CloudKicker]

Red seals from scum!me sounds like a craptacular to play and claim and send.
and I have sent out two myself. Neither player who got them suffered any ill effects, so unless Im an arson . . .

It's possible, that you werent aware it'd be scum claiming by claiming the color.
You said yourself that you dont usually play theme games after all.

But this is just an speculation of seal color having something to do with company color, i just left it out in the open for ppl to give opinions while i gave mine.

I thought about this earlier but iirc the blue used for the blue seal and genx is not identical, one is the blue tag and the other one is a color code

[CloudKicker]

I thought about this earlier but iirc the blue used for the blue seal and genx is not identical, one is the blue tag and the other one is a color code

Well even I can tell both blues are different shades of blue, but I dont think it necessarily needs to be the same shade?

If I was mod and wanted to make the letter seal color linked to the company (after building a huge flavor game) I would make sure the table gets the clue and use the same colour, thats just me tho

[CloudKicker]

Rainn and sakura are too in sync, can't beat the animes

You need to stop. I hate players who taint their own slots with wifom and I policy it. Rainn and sakura are not the only players in game.

And it's not like rainns case is bad. You do have a different playstyle CK.

His case is bad because if he bothered to meta me like he said he would, we would not have this conversation. He has been lazy about his fos on me and he still has yet to explain anything I did as scum motivated. I might do scummy thing at face value as a playstyle (I agree) but my motives are clear and town

[CloudKicker]

Rainn's content about the mechanics of the game were pretty good, but this whole push on me is objectively abysmal

No it isn't they have a point

He has no point, everything he claims is that my playstyle is scummy yet hasnt bothered to double check anything from my past games.

Engaging someone 1vs1 and voting outside is not scummy.
Fosing someone and naked voting them is scummy but then i explained my reads once asked (about primate) so it was a genuine read.
He says im ungenuine, I didnt even lie in this game when I usually do as town so thats pretty funny

What is his case if not those shallow points

[CloudKicker]

Ah yes, he said I didnt defend uwnd; i answered to that already in a long post
He claims I am on both lynch wagon; also answered
He said that i have interactions with primate, i push them then flip my reads. The moment i voted outaide primate d2 wheme got speed lynched, so its easy to think i havent been voting primate 80% of d2

[CloudKicker]

like we said earlier

Who the fuck is "we"

Sakura

[CloudKicker]

like we said earlier

Who the fuck is "we"

Rainn's push on me wouldve been considered a scum claim in any decent table, its hilariously bad and content less

Really, because your push Rainn is actually pretty bad. Were you suspecting them at all before they came after you?

Do you read the game gamma or do you just make things up as you go

[CloudKicker]

Ill make a few posts to clear things up

[CloudKicker]

Its a touch toxic, and I say this knowing how my slot has played out.

Yea im not going to dismiss that

[CloudKicker]

like we said earlier

Who the fuck is "we"

Sakura

Sakura didn't say that at all. YOU said that. There is no "we" there is only you, and you seem to trying to falsely draw others into your bullshit. Until I saw this there was reasonable doubt but now I'm pretty sure you're scum.

You are so silly, i meant to say "like we discussed earlier'' as in she was part of the conversation, not that she said those words literally

[CloudKicker]

like we said earlier

Who the fuck is "we"

Sakura

Sakura didn't say that at all. YOU said that. There is no "we" there is only you, and you seem to trying to falsely draw others into your bullshit. Until I saw this there was reasonable doubt but now I'm pretty sure you're scum.

You are so silly, i meant to say "like we discussed earlier'' as in she was part of the conversation, not that she said those words literally

Then you should have added that

I mean, "we said", I aint a native english speaker and I commonly use some words that are non-optimal in a certain sentence for a certain meaning, langage stuff

[CloudKicker]

This is my first post of a series to try to get the record straight. This one is about how Rainn vs me started, why I fosed them and how hes being an hypocrite and has be grudge voting me since then

Spoiler: My push on Rainn at his replace in

Also the whole sakura shading/vote is abhorrent. Plus you can see how a t slot (pisskop) handled their sakura foses vs tanaka where it was sloppy, shallow and just a very irrelevant push

Cloudkiker I think you don't know what you're talking about.

I pressured Sakura because I think it's easiest to read her when she is a bit pressured

I suddenly stopped pressuring her because if she is town (and her reaction seemed to be imo), she can get very upset about it and that wouldn't be nice.

The unique reason I did it as well so early was because if pisskop or someone else got convinced to get on sakura case, if she is town I think that hard defending her would really be more healthy to the game, she is kind of like nancy and doesn't react well to a lot of pressure.

I wanted in a 30 minutes interaction make myself 100% confident that Sakura was town and although I didn't manage 100%, I think I'm fine with putting it to 80%.

CK essentially if you're town I think you suck at reading me so at the very least so I hope you stop actively trying to do it?

it's annoying.

My scum game isn't "textbook" anyway.

Also the whole sakura shading/vote is abhorrent. Plus you can see how a t slot (pisskop) handled their sakura foses vs tanaka where it was sloppy, shallow and just a very irrelevant push

Cloudkiker I think you don't know what you're talking about.

I pressured Sakura because I think it's easiest to read her when she is a bit pressured

I suddenly stopped pressuring her because if she is town (and her reaction seemed to be imo), she can get very upset about it and that wouldn't be nice.

The unique reason I did it as well so early was because if pisskop or someone else got convinced to get on sakura case, if she is town I think that hard defending her would really be more healthy to the game, she is kind of like nancy and doesn't react well to a lot of pressure.

I wanted in a 30 minutes interaction make myself 100% confident that Sakura was town and although I didn't manage 100%, I think I'm fine with putting it to 80%.

If you cared about reading her alignement w/o making her explode or flail, there was enough content to read her correctly every single time.

IMO this is a weaboo buddying spectacle, as if you actually put an effort in reading her when it was pretty obvious you planned to get to her good side since the very start.

CK essentially if you're town I think you suck at reading me so at the very least so I hope you stop actively trying to do it?

it's annoying.

My scum game isn't "textbook" anyway.

If I am town? who are you trying to convince
You think cheap wal-mart ate will make me change my early read?

You make it seems like you are annoyed but your choice of words seems very calculated to me and you dont convey any emotions IMO

Be town by being town, until then snapping back at me won’t ger you far

Also the whole sakura shading/vote is abhorrent. Plus you can see how a t slot (pisskop) handled their sakura foses vs tanaka where it was sloppy, shallow and just a very irrelevant push

Cloudkiker I think you don't know what you're talking about.

I pressured Sakura because I think it's easiest to read her when she is a bit pressured

I suddenly stopped pressuring her because if she is town (and her reaction seemed to be imo), she can get very upset about it and that wouldn't be nice.

The unique reason I did it as well so early was because if pisskop or someone else got convinced to get on sakura case, if she is town I think that hard defending her would really be more healthy to the game, she is kind of like nancy and doesn't react well to a lot of pressure.

I wanted in a 30 minutes interaction make myself 100% confident that Sakura was town and although I didn't manage 100%, I think I'm fine with putting it to 80%.

If you cared about reading her alignement w/o making her explode or flail, there was enough content to read her correctly every single time.

IMO this is a weaboo buddying spectacle, as if you actually put an effort in reading her when it was pretty obvious you planned to get to her good side since the very start.

Stop being obnoxious and throwing words like "obvious" easily. There is nothing "obvious" in this game. It's just a word you use arrogantly and I particularly hate it when people use it in a serious post.

Also, what part of "I'm lazy and am only skimming through the game" you didn't get?

From what I had skimmed through Sakura's ISO there was not much in heavily-AI posts aside from her interactions with RC.

Someone can post 2000 posts and still be not confidently readable. Sometimes you get a nice read on someone out of one post. I deemed Sakura slot to not have enough for me to be sure that she was town from what I had skimmed on her ISO, so I did what I did.

You're really obnoxious and the reason I've been rage quitting quite a bit out of games.

Like, you actually town read pisskpop.

What the hell man. The unique thing that pisskpop did was to fool around a bit in thread and antagonize Sakura for reasons that might for what we know be related to boredom.

Also the whole sakura shading/vote is abhorrent. Plus you can see how a t slot (pisskop) handled their sakura foses vs tanaka where it was sloppy, shallow and just a very irrelevant push

Cloudkiker I think you don't know what you're talking about.

I pressured Sakura because I think it's easiest to read her when she is a bit pressured

I suddenly stopped pressuring her because if she is town (and her reaction seemed to be imo), she can get very upset about it and that wouldn't be nice.

The unique reason I did it as well so early was because if pisskop or someone else got convinced to get on sakura case, if she is town I think that hard defending her would really be more healthy to the game, she is kind of like nancy and doesn't react well to a lot of pressure.

I wanted in a 30 minutes interaction make myself 100% confident that Sakura was town and although I didn't manage 100%, I think I'm fine with putting it to 80%.

If you cared about reading her alignement w/o making her explode or flail, there was enough content to read her correctly every single time.

IMO this is a weaboo buddying spectacle, as if you actually put an effort in reading her when it was pretty obvious you planned to get to her good side since the very start.

Stop being obnoxious and throwing words like "obvious" easily. There is nothing "obvious" in this game. It's just a word you use arrogantly and I particularly hate it when people use it in a serious post.

Also, what part of "I'm lazy and am only skimming through the game" you didn't get?

From what I had skimmed through Sakura's ISO there was not much in heavily-AI posts aside from her interactions with RC.

Someone can post 2000 posts and still be not confidently readable. Sometimes you get a nice read on someone out of one post. I deemed Sakura slot to not have enough for me to be sure that she was town from what I had skimmed on her ISO, so I did what I did.

You're really obnoxious and the reason I've been rage quitting quite a bit out of games.

Like, you actually town read pisskpop.

What the hell man. The unique thing that pisskpop did was to fool around a bit in thread and antagonize Sakura for reasons that might for what we know be related to boredom.

Ure obviously mad I give I tr a slot easily that you probably would’nt have townread as town, obvious

CK essentially if you're town I think you suck at reading me so at the very least so I hope you stop actively trying to do it?

it's annoying.

My scum game isn't "textbook" anyway.

If I am town? who are you trying to convince
You think cheap wal-mart ate will make me change my early read?

You make it seems like you are annoyed but your choice of words seems very calculated to me and you dont convey any emotions IMO

Be town by being town, until then snapping back at me won’t ger you far

I had written a wall about this but i clumsily deleted it and i'm not going to write all that again.

Director cut version:

You're just one of many people that keeps annoying me for silly stuff while I'm actually trying to solve the game. I'm fed up with it and if you're town, I would rather have you stay on your corner for a while before jumping on me, because that's very very annoying.

Also the whole sakura shading/vote is abhorrent. Plus you can see how a t slot (pisskop) handled their sakura foses vs tanaka where it was sloppy, shallow and just a very irrelevant push

Cloudkiker I think you don't know what you're talking about.

I pressured Sakura because I think it's easiest to read her when she is a bit pressured

I suddenly stopped pressuring her because if she is town (and her reaction seemed to be imo), she can get very upset about it and that wouldn't be nice.

The unique reason I did it as well so early was because if pisskop or someone else got convinced to get on sakura case, if she is town I think that hard defending her would really be more healthy to the game, she is kind of like nancy and doesn't react well to a lot of pressure.

I wanted in a 30 minutes interaction make myself 100% confident that Sakura was town and although I didn't manage 100%, I think I'm fine with putting it to 80%.

If you cared about reading her alignement w/o making her explode or flail, there was enough content to read her correctly every single time.

IMO this is a weaboo buddying spectacle, as if you actually put an effort in reading her when it was pretty obvious you planned to get to her good side since the very start.

Stop being obnoxious and throwing words like "obvious" easily. There is nothing "obvious" in this game. It's just a word you use arrogantly and I particularly hate it when people use it in a serious post.

Also, what part of "I'm lazy and am only skimming through the game" you didn't get?

From what I had skimmed through Sakura's ISO there was not much in heavily-AI posts aside from her interactions with RC.

Someone can post 2000 posts and still be not confidently readable. Sometimes you get a nice read on someone out of one post. I deemed Sakura slot to not have enough for me to be sure that she was town from what I had skimmed on her ISO, so I did what I did.

You're really obnoxious and the reason I've been rage quitting quite a bit out of games.

Like, you actually town read pisskpop.

What the hell man. The unique thing that pisskpop did was to fool around a bit in thread and antagonize Sakura for reasons that might for what we know be related to boredom.

Ure obviously mad I give I tr a slot easily that you probably would’nt have townread as town, obvious

Ok it's story time

In two of my recent games I was like:

"Hey guys, you're being silly for TR X for that"

People were like

"Nah we got this covered"

X was scum.

Btw I will give tanaka space but him blaming me for not catching up is bullshit, he has been there for pages and still 0 content

Actually CK annoyed me to such a point that I'm becoming unmotivated to read the game from start.

Sakura what's you read on me right now?

Because if this is some hopeless game like Mini Colors I'm just going to stop tryharding

Btw I will give tanaka space but him blaming me for not catching up is bullshit, he has been there for pages and still 0 content

He said im 80% town.
He also said PK is sly scum.

That's content.

Not its literraly his RVS phase, notice he voted you but didnt vote pisskop?
Why do you think sakura, is it coherent? He 100% had the intention to remove his vote on you the moment he voted you, the rxn test/justification sounds premade and just scum plan, thats my 2 cents

Actually CK annoyed me to such a point that I'm becoming unmotivated to read the game from start.

Sakura what's you read on me right now?

Because if this is some hopeless game like Mini Colors I'm just going to stop tryharding

Convenient as fuck, isn it? Why dont you try to find my alignement via reading? What If im scum and i am antagonizing you on purpose since you replaced in a townread slot?

How is it a hopeless game when you havent read shit lmao

Sakura. That's why I quickly got off you.

Because I know it's painful for you, so I just did it really quick and in a minimalist way to be sure that hard defending you here would be the right move to prevent disrupting.

Sakura. That's why I quickly got off you.

Because I know it's painful for you, so I just did it really quick and in a minimalist way to be sure that hard defending you here would be the right move to prevent disrupting.

This seems like scum trying to clone their town behavior in past games, trying to bank for a quick pocket and didnt expect to get called out

Cloudkicker, if you're scum this game is going to be really simple and convenient, but i don't really think the content you've posted is scummy yet so therefore the chances you're just misguided town bothering me are higher.

it's just annoying, and i can't lynch someone for being annoying.

I could make up reasons you're scum rn but that's not really ethical.

So why did u resort to that when in my summary i told you i was apparently (and misunderstood) mechanically clear.

CK hasn't claimed yet and I don't trust non-complete claims so easily

I didn't even trust robb straight doc claiming at all

I don't know CK historic so I can't be sure that when he says "it's a 100% clear" it's actually a 100% clear and not just a partial clear that he is "confident" about.

So why did u resort to that when in my summary i told you i was apparently (and misunderstood) mechanically clear.

CK hasn't claimed yet and I don't trust non-complete claims so easily

I didn't even trust robb straight doc claiming at all

I don't know CK historic so I can't be sure that when he says "it's a 100% clear" it's actually a 100% clear and not just a partial clear that he is "confident" about.

How would you know I haven’t claim?

So why did u resort to that when in my summary i told you i was apparently (and misunderstood) mechanically clear.

CK hasn't claimed yet and I don't trust non-complete claims so easily

I didn't even trust robb straight doc claiming at all

I don't know CK historic so I can't be sure that when he says "it's a 100% clear" it's actually a 100% clear and not just a partial clear that he is "confident" about.

How would you know I haven’t claim?

I asked if the clear was 100% and she didn't answer me "he has a cop check on me" or something.

It was obvious that you hadn't claimed.

Sakura. That's why I quickly got off you.

Because I know it's painful for you, so I just did it really quick and in a minimalist way to be sure that hard defending you here would be the right move to prevent disrupting.

This seems like scum trying to clone their town behavior in past games, trying to bank for a quick pocket and didnt expect to get called out

I can't deal with this guy at all

he tries to fit everything in his god damn narrative

he is like robb

and robb was a idiot voting me while i had got 2/3 of the scum team.

so you're either scum or really annoying and i would rather not put any effort into this while you're playing this way

VOTE: cloud

Ok I didn't mean to badmouth Robb like that but Cloud has really annoyed me here

anyway continuing i'm annoyed at ck and i don't feel like trying anymore

pisskpop, can i take that as you saying you're confirmable town?

Pisskpop, want to form an alliance and lynch CK as a counterwagon?

A push like that on me is never healthy

It's like Robb v2.0

I don't want a robb v2.0, I stressed myself enough this past month

but Cloud has really annoyed me here

What am i, chopped liver?

Hmm...what do you mean here sakura?

Don't let CK get to you, i for one value your reads if i can figure out you're town here (i mean you solved the game i couldn't).

I solved it by luck tbh, I'm just putting airs because CK is genuinely getting on my nerves and I want to badmouth him

Spoiler: Why I fosed them + observations

I still think this exchange is extremely scummy from Rainn. You can see that he resorted to insults the 2nd post he made about my fos on him and he reacted extremely defensively
(I basically react the very same way). Hes resorting to "ate" like "if youre town" & "if youre scum" which is also manipulative. He tries to make cheap alliance and buddying with both Sakuara (the mason joke claim) & Pisskop (asking them to help them lynch me).

He also mentions that I use the strong words and that he dislikes that, yet he never mention that its scum indicative per his own reads. This is odd, why would he want someone to stop "scumtelling" from his own tell?
IMO its personal, he basically states that he hates player who are obnoxious, he mentions he has been rage quiting for players like me

(and you can see, its only been a few posts we exchanged, I wasnt even being too much of an ass there)

- Then he challenges me on my pisskop read, I hate his line

"Like, you actually town read pisskpop.
What the hell man. The unique thing that pisskpop did was to fool around a bit in thread and antagonize Sakura for reasons that might for what we know be related to boredom."

Then I answer something antagonistic because I want to see how far he will go, using words he just expressed he disliked.

"Ure obviously mad I give I tr a slot easily that you probably would’nt have townread as town, obvious"

His frustration that I am townreading piss and not him is odd to me. Why not just call me scum and call it a day? I already scumtold per his own word tell or whatever, but he still into "ate"

-2626 is a hideous post, basically whining
-2622 he basically appeals to me as town and ask me to back off which I do in 2630 (because I am town mind you and I actually want him to have space and make content)

10 posts later..

-2632 He claims that I annoyed him too much and he don't want/won't read the game. He also mention that he won't tryhard

anymore

if the game is

hopeless

Imagine then, that this slot is saying that I am mafia for reacting over the top. He basically made 25 posts, 2 hours after replace-in, he has been fosed once & I gave him space when he appealed to town me. Once given space, he makes a wifom post that has no content, blames me for his lack of motivation, implies that he sees the game as hopeless (this is not rational to think so when he hasnt read) and he falsy implies that he has been "tryharding",

which is just very objectively untrue

This is a manipulative post as it gets and very ungenuine

-I answer with 2637 : Why would I give space to a slot who asked me space and not use it? Then blame me when I just gave what he asked? So far into the game he also did not imply that I was mafia which is odd. I felt like maybe he should be more on his guard and expect me antagonizing him could be a scum strat to kill someone's motivation, which is what I question him about.

2644-2649-2651: are okay posts

2657:

He just said he didn't think I was mafia

, then he react badly to my 2642

"This seems like scum trying to clone their town behavior in past games, trying to bank for a quick pocket and didnt expect to get called out"

. Then he votes me saying I am impossible to play with and just like robb.

Then he makes a few posts talking about Robb, saying I am annoying to him and getting on nerves. After 2642, I didn't engage him for a while and gave him space (again) yet he talks about my slot for a good 3-4 posts.

This is what I am referencing when I keep claiming that I feel like Rainn has been grudging my slot.

Summary:
Not quoted there, he also admitted, the same way I did, that being manipulative in this game is somewhat expected yet he try to push the narrative that I am scum for being "manipulative"
He has insulted me very very early into the exchange, and did react over the top, yet push the narrative that this makes me scum
He used ATE and manipulative wording to try to sway my reads early on. He got emotional very quickly
He tried openly buddied Sakura and Pisskop very early into the game, asking them to help him lynch me, that is after the fact he claimed he didn't think I did anything scummy
He claimed many times that i was getting on his nerves, like Robb (he mentionned him like 3-4 times in different posts).

Its obviously personnal

[CloudKicker]

personal*

[CloudKicker]

Rainn's content about the mechanics of the game were pretty good, but this whole push on me is objectively abysmal

No it isn't they have a point

He has no point, everything he claims is that my playstyle is scummy yet hasnt bothered to double check anything from my past games.

Engaging someone 1vs1 and voting outside is not scummy.
Fosing someone and naked voting them is scummy but then i explained my reads once asked (about primate) so it was a genuine read.
He says im ungenuine, I didnt even lie in this game when I usually do as town so thats pretty funny

What is his case if not those shallow points

I think you are being disingenuous (THE CORRECT WORD BY THE WAY), specifically you acting like you and Sakura having similar roles should make you the same alignment and acting like your resistance to unwnd and especially Wheme were clearly presented.

I just disagree with you, thats not being disgenuous. Scum would not seal their claim by claiming the sample role as the 1st claim in the game with not other information, that is

not

a very likely scenario. This is why I am saying that I should be role confirmed. The same alignement is just the natural development of that read, the way Sakuara reacted was stupidly genuine and transparent and there's just not way I believe she is not VT/BP. The same way, if she was mafia, I doubt that she would've deemed necessary to soft her claim as to try to defend uwnd, the same moment I did.

This is why I hardlock Sakura as town.

. I should be town from Sakuras pov if shes uses the same tells I am using to read her, which is what I am expecting any half decent player because its not very hard to see the role/pov i projected at the end of d1, its not hard. You can also see everyone who didn't agree as people who obviously had different roles, because people will instinctively project their role pov, its just the nature of the game.

There is absolutely nothing disingenuous about that. You could argue tho that me forcing that read down Sakuara's throat is disingenuous, maybe as in I expect her to arrive to the same conclusion as I did with the same information.

My resistance to Uwnd was pretty clear, it was also pretty clear that I wouldve been 2nd lynch if not of uwnd. Like I said, I don't claim I tried to stop the lynch that much, I went along with it the moment it hit like 7-8 votes, I still disagreed tho and kept telling CC he was wrong and was fosing 2 towns. You know as well as me there was no going back from those 8 votes with CC/Sakuara/Dun voting there. What is expected of me then? When uwnd outed a few good lines, I pointed them out. When he claimed and CC showed bad reasoning about his claim, I pointed it out (just to get called scum). I even softed to CC that both Sakuara and Me obviously had the same role Uwnd had. When he asking me how could I have this POV (about VT having BP) I didnt dismiss it, i just asked why not?

I gave CC information about my role and my read on sakura's role in an effort to him to maybe reconsider his read on uwnd claim; because he said that his claim was scummy. I did plently of stuff to try to get that lynch averted and probably more than you think. I can quote everything i just explained here if you dont believe me and call me disingenuous. I didnt crack the game open the moment i saw half the table no believing the VT claim, i kept my mouth shut and outed my dying read (because i believed i was getting viged by CC).

I never said that my resistance on Wheme was presented,

never

. I said, I voted them as 4-5 votes then I went to work. 6 hours later he was lynched and there was nothing that could be done. What I said, is that I blamed this table for no one unvoted when Wheme started to T tell and produce good answers (which is the evening I was working and in the 5 hours window he got speedlynched). I claimed that I wouldve unvoted. Thats basically all I said about Wheme, my vote wasn't meant to be a lynch, it was meant to produce content.

[CloudKicker]

Rainn's content about the mechanics of the game were pretty good, but this whole push on me is objectively abysmal

No it isn't they have a point

He has no point, everything he claims is that my playstyle is scummy yet hasnt bothered to double check anything from my past games.

Engaging someone 1vs1 and voting outside is not scummy.
Fosing someone and naked voting them is scummy but then i explained my reads once asked (about primate) so it was a genuine read.
He says im ungenuine, I didnt even lie in this game when I usually do as town so thats pretty funny

What is his case if not those shallow points

I think you are being disingenuous (THE CORRECT WORD BY THE WAY), specifically you acting like you and Sakura having similar roles should make you the same alignment and acting like your resistance to unwnd and especially Wheme were clearly presented.

I just disagree with you, thats not being disgenuous. Scum would not seal their claim by claiming the sample role as the 1st claim in the game with not other information, that is

not

a very likely scenario. This is why I am saying that I should be role confirmed. The same alignement is just the natural development of that read, the way Sakuara reacted was stupidly genuine and transparent and there's just not way I believe she is not VT/BP. The same way, if she was mafia, I doubt that she would've deemed necessary to soft her claim as to try to defend uwnd, the same moment I did.

This is why I hardlock Sakura as town.

. I should be town from Sakuras pov if shes uses the same tells I am using to read her, which is what I am expecting any half decent player because its not very hard to see the role/pov i projected at the end of d1, its not hard. You can also see everyone who didn't agree as people who obviously had different roles, because people will instinctively project their role pov, its just the nature of the game.

There is absolutely nothing disingenuous about that. You could argue tho that me forcing that read down Sakuara's throat is disingenuous, maybe as in I expect her to arrive to the same conclusion as I did with the same information.

My resistance to Uwnd was pretty clear, it was also pretty clear that I wouldve been 2nd lynch if not of uwnd. Like I said, I don't claim I tried to stop the lynch that much, I went along with it the moment it hit like 7-8 votes, I still disagreed tho and kept telling CC he was wrong and was fosing 2 towns. You know as well as me there was no going back from those 8 votes with CC/Sakuara/Dun voting there. What is expected of me then? When uwnd outed a few good lines, I pointed them out. When he claimed and CC showed bad reasoning about his claim, I pointed it out (just to get called scum). I even softed to CC that both Sakuara and Me obviously had the same role Uwnd had. When he asking me how could I have this POV (about VT having BP) I didnt dismiss it, i just asked why not?

I gave CC information about my role and my read on sakura's role in an effort to him to maybe reconsider his read on uwnd claim; because he said that his claim was scummy. I did plently of stuff to try to get that lynch averted and probably more than you think. I can quote everything i just explained here if you dont believe me and call me disingenuous. I didnt crack the game open the moment i saw half the table no believing the VT claim, i kept my mouth shut and outed my dying read (because i believed i was getting viged by CC).

I never said that my resistance on Wheme was presented,

never

. I said, I voted them as 4-5 votes then I went to work. 6 hours later he was lynched and there was nothing that could be done. What I said, is that I blamed this table for no one unvoted when Wheme started to T tell and produce good answers (which is the evening I was working and in the 5 hours window he got speedlynched). I claimed that I wouldve unvoted. Thats basically all I said about Wheme, my vote wasn't meant to be a lynch, it was meant to produce content.

I can see what your saying about Sakura somewhat, but you're expecting her to use the exact same route of logic on you.
The Wheme thing is just hearsay at this point imo so I really feel like there's not that much you can say to convince me rn. I guess the best you can do is point out Wheme's towntells.

Its not hearsay, I can go back and quote the 3-4 posts i made about the wheme lynch, they are all very clear about what i meant. Rainn has been tuning my wordings and he keeps repeating the same wrong stuff so people eventually assume its real.

The first post i made about Wheme is the first post i made d3 after his lynch, I said nothing to defend him d2 before his lynch, that never been my point. His "towntells" is not much, its basically the way he approached his own lynch and his tone. What I did once i saw he has been lynched, skimmed the last 4-5 pages before my last post and the lynch and I was pretty pissed that no one unvoted. It's not a specific T tell or anything, just that imo his content was good enough to give him a chance and unvote. I can go and quote stuff, but tone wise no one agrees with anyone. I will do it if you tell me It might help you understand it.

[CloudKicker]

Also D1 if you had your choice of lynch when it came between you and unwnd, who would you have chosen at that time?

As a person outside my slot and uwnd? Or as my slot?

[CloudKicker]

Also I just realized that maybe my behavior yday is in part explained because i was hangover and forgot to take my ADHD medication. I am very impulsive in nature, it's also pretty obvious I took it today with my 2 huge posts in a row

[CloudKicker]

Essentially I am asking your personal preference, so your slot

Answering anything else than keeping my slot alive vs uwnd's slot would be outrageous.

Even from a 3rd view town pov, I can produce content faster than uwnd so I am easier to read. Im not sure what you were expecting from that question. Like, I would still prefer my slot alive over Sakura because role wise she is useless and I just trust myself more than I trust her read wise.

[CloudKicker]

Essentially I am asking your personal preference, so your slot

Answering anything else than keeping my slot alive vs uwnd's slot would be outrageous.

Even from a 3rd view town pov, I can produce content faster than uwnd so I am easier to read. Im not sure what you were expecting from that question. Like, I would still prefer my slot alive over Sakura because role wise she is useless and I just trust myself more than I trust her read wise.

Let me rephrase: say you and unwnd were governed D1 at the time you voted unwnd. Who would you have pushed to be lynched?

Had to check the wiki because gov doesn't work like that on em, my answer would still be the same. But it wasn't the secnario and I wanted a lynch outside

[CloudKicker]

I wanted a lynch outside

This is why I'm asking what I'm asking. Who specifically outside of you two did you want lynched?

Thats a very inefficient way to ask that, i won't cheat and reread but on the top of my head, I had primate/kid still in mind, a50 as well. I wouldve prob lynched primate

[CloudKicker]

Hey alisea long time no see

[CloudKicker]

So many hidden pts makes this game boring

@pisskop can you explain why am i not in your hood

[CloudKicker]

Jesus fucking christ, just vote primate already. How in the world in this slot still not in the majority of this table’s scumpool despite having only scumposted. A50/OS/Fish all towntold in some capacity, primate/chemist slot arguably never did. Chemist’s one liners are just that, nothig of value compared to the amount of adequate content the other scumread slots

I am not voting outside those 2 slots if nothing changes, voting in OS/fish/a50 is ridiculous

[CloudKicker]

Also, mariars slot is textbook null slot, she should be revisited with replace in’s content before we vote anyway, so hold your votes

[CloudKicker]

What part of boisterous and shitposty isnt quite sinking in? because thats what I typically aim, purposely try, to play as.

then I come in with an account with the intention of not being a total asshat, and you go out of your way to drag that same personality -with it proven record of surviving and winning- out.

Why did it take SOOOO MANY PAGES to mention this.

This was mentioned earlier I recall

I dont really care about either claude or primate mechanically but lynching primate would help me much more solve the game, also ego

[CloudKicker]

To be fair, he didn't mention it to me either, so it wasn't personally against you, Sakura.

VOTE: Primate

good thinking, ima give you some serum

[CloudKicker]

I dont really care about either claude or primate mechanically but lynching primate would help me much more solve the game, also ego

How is that in any way relevant to what I just posted?

it was just a "@", am lazy

[CloudKicker]

Then why not respond to a more relevant post

you asked me a question, i was lazy to go back and quote, there hasnt been any post relevant since i last posted

are you gonna vote primate or na

[CloudKicker]

If you explain how primate being better for associations outweighs rectifying a dead-in-the-water slot, sure

better odds than random distribution imo

[CloudKicker]

If you explain how primate being better for associations outweighs rectifying a dead-in-the-water slot, sure

better odds than random distribution imo

iirc slots that end up replaced a lot, especially for inactivity, are more likely scum

You could also say that primate wouldve replaced out if he was town considering he is not helping town in any capacity, also its pretty cheap to read w/ replacements

[CloudKicker]

ck why don't you want to lynch fish?

If fish really was town, Wouldn't he have called me out as aeon traitor as soon as day began?

He waited until he saw my post with a case on him and then made a move.

That just is scum behavior.

Truth is, the whole mechanics and shanenigans between you and fish happened at the exact moment i kinda let go trying to read into flavor/roles so i just didn't really take the time to read into it, shrugs

I think you are town, fish is proven letter sender so he couldnt have used a bad factional ability yday, i just prefer to lynch primate who scum hammered so hard d2

[CloudKicker]

UNVOTE: My vote is still on primate but i want Dun/raut/sakura to agree with me before we proceed

[CloudKicker]

Still TR primate, but can trust rainn, and still waiting for that meta talk about primatescum

I am the main pusher on primate and i have never mentioned meta. The only time i did, was someone pointing out that he was playing like his town self; i skimmed his past games and disagreed

[CloudKicker]

Wat if kidadmin is defending primate?


P: rainn was all about killing primate.

rainn was also all about killing me and absurdly wrong on all front

[CloudKicker]

Im like 50/50 thinking I am reading the whole game wrong and being Xth Scum by refusing to reconsider my reads so I prefer to get outside validation

[CloudKicker]

Hmm, if this is wrong we are in deep shit

@Gamma its not mutually exclusive, just that idk, at least he didnt make a kill but i see that i really didnt think it through

[CloudKicker]

VOTE: Claude

Seems like a decent lynch to me - I agree that the super low activity from 2 people across the game is scum indicative

Why did we stop pressuring RedPanda for the Aeon thing by the way?

Both wheme and claude were/are contentless/scummy, i think this is a lazy lynch

[CloudKicker]

I really dislike that Alisea is naked sheeping dun when she hasnt really showed any effort in reading the slot

[CloudKicker]

Meh, I dont mind giving my vote place to towny slots

[CloudKicker]

I really dislike that Alisea is naked sheeping dun when she hasnt really showed any effort in reading the slot

Lawl

?

[CloudKicker]

I really dislike that Alisea is naked sheeping dun when she hasnt really showed any effort in reading the slot

i don’t see a reason to bother

I mean just dont play if you dont want to play

[CloudKicker]

I really dislike that Alisea is naked sheeping dun when she hasnt really showed any effort in reading the slot

Lawl

?

Alisae knows Dunn is a Mason iirc

So what, a claimed mason, not a mod confirmed mason. I still commonly 2nd guess every claim on a replace in, even if just for paranoia's sake. She didnt even seemed to know he was a mason

[CloudKicker]

VOTE: Claude

Seems like a decent lynch to me - I agree that the super low activity from 2 people across the game is scum indicative

Why did we stop pressuring RedPanda for the Aeon thing by the way?

Both wheme and claude were/are contentless/scummy, i think this is a lazy lynch

Wheme wasn't contentless as much as the content he did have was bad

Chemist/Claude are null, they havent made an effort
Primate made an effort and his posts are awful, what gives

[CloudKicker]

I really dislike that Alisea is naked sheeping dun when she hasnt really showed any effort in reading the slot

i don’t see a reason to bother

I mean just dont play if you dont want to play

what do you think I’m doing?

cloudie why didn’t this get an answer?

its funny how charged this question is, i didnt answer because i am not having this conversation

[CloudKicker]

No, its like 2-4 votes from hammer something something

[CloudKicker]

NVM that was hammer, im not sure how to feel tbh

[CloudKicker]

I really dislike that Alisea is naked sheeping dun when she hasnt really showed any effort in reading the slot

i don’t see a reason to bother

I mean just dont play if you dont want to play

what do you think I’m doing?

cloudie why didn’t this get an answer?

its funny how charged this question is, i didnt answer because i am not having this conversation

good I’m glad we’re on the same page :3

I wont waste my cognitive ressources into a semantic hellhole when you obviously use mafia games as a chat room (i love you btw, this isnt a diss)

[CloudKicker]

I really dislike that Alisea is naked sheeping dun when she hasnt really showed any effort in reading the slot

i don’t see a reason to bother

I mean just dont play if you dont want to play

what do you think I’m doing?

cloudie why didn’t this get an answer?

its funny how charged this question is, i didnt answer because i am not having this conversation

good I’m glad we’re on the same page :3

I wont waste my cognitive ressources into a semantic hellhole when you obviously use mafia games as a chat room (i love you btw, this isnt a diss)

I am playing to my wincon

Refusing to give conten to not be in a vulnerable position to be lynched plays for every wincon in the book

[CloudKicker]

I only murdered you for the Serum so I could actually leave, Claude. Nothing against you.

#FearTheDeer

FTR, you owe me a 3p favor which Ill probably cash in as a vote tomorrow

[CloudKicker]

I only murdered you for the Serum so I could actually leave, Claude. Nothing against you.

#FearTheDeer

FTR, you owe me a 3p favor which Ill probably cash in as a vote tomorrow

As in.... A vote ON me or making me vote with you?

vote w/ me

[CloudKicker]

On the bright side for me is this is scum then I get 4 serum and have 8 total, which means I leave tommorow. Yippie!

The pessimist/asshole side of me wants you to suffer this game like town does

[CloudKicker]

I only murdered you for the Serum so I could actually leave, Claude. Nothing against you.

#FearTheDeer

FTR, you owe me a 3p favor which Ill probably cash in as a vote tomorrow

As in.... A vote ON me or making me vote with you?

vote w/ me

If your alive I can probably grant that request.

Im never getting shot with my claim

[CloudKicker]

VOTE: Claude

Seems like a decent lynch to me - I agree that the super low activity from 2 people across the game is scum indicative

Why did we stop pressuring RedPanda for the Aeon thing by the way?

Both wheme and claude were/are contentless/scummy, i think this is a lazy lynch

Wheme wasn't contentless as much as the content he did have was bad

Chemist/Claude are null, they havent made an effort
Primate made an effort and his posts are awful, what gives

See my list of points against Chemist+Claude
And to add to why not Primate, as it is Primate can contribute to discussion which Claude isn't doing.

what about primate scumclaim d2 hammer

[CloudKicker]

Im never getting shot with my claim

At least you have higher chances of getting shot than me.
Or you could have mindgames with scum, that's fun to do too.

If I was scum outside me, i would keep me alive just because you are easily manipulable and have proven you can swing your vote around out of grudge, shrug. You probably won't get shot tho cause like me, you don't have a very comprehensible list of reads and a grasp on the game, probably explained by apathy

[CloudKicker]

Well... i do have a comprehensible list of reads that I posted yesterday, and not much has made it change since then.

what about primate scumclaim d2 hammer

Not sure how it is a scumclaim, again?

He was 2nd wagon option, there was no reason he hammered the way he did. It was out of the blue as in to end the day as fast as possible.

It is somewhat incoherent because he showed earlier that he valued people who unvoted to think about their reads when he appealed to me, this is a bit off w/ his hammer
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He hammered and felt compelled to justify himself immediately which is an implied admission of guilty that he was very aware his hammer is scummy.

Is town more concerned about if their vote is on town or how towny their hammer will look the next day? This is not a town pov

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Your strong town listing is hideous

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Its hammered anyway

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Also Gamma, I didnt even ISO primate or PP because im a lazy motherfucker, but i bet a vote that if you ISO primate (assuming hes aeon) he listed PP as scum; basically the only slot on the table who didnt think PP was town.

Its very common that mafia will put towny scum slot on way lower read list tier because they are very concerned about how a flip will look like in their read list ISO (been there, done that)

He probably hasnt pushed the slot a single time (didn't ISO, i am assuming) will probably iso once this chemist is fliped

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I don't really understand why PP voted PK if he's not using the creature justification.

I was voting because of creature meta but then unvoted when I remembered this:

Scum creature doesn't usually get replaced though? Typically they prod dodge/low effort until they get lynched ime.

You said you preferred PK to A50 though in #3000. Regardless of whether you have a townread on A50 or it's something else, why include PK as a pref? Is this because you consider PK scummy despite thinking FTC wasn't creature? Or did you just use him as an example because people were talking about him at the time?

@Gamma does this sounds like someone who talks to a scumread ? confbias tho

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Looks pretty good for almost if that's the reason PP was killed, scum actually thought he was a cop.

Does this looks like someone who got validated in believing a strong TRd slot flipped mafia despite everyone's read?

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All hes talking about are associations from the flip, he showed no emotion about it, his first line is a comment about how a slot association was influenced from a flip. Only scum thinks about shit like that as a first thought, its not like he hard pushed a50 24h/24

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Oh... I just realized something.
If Aeon is town aligned and has an ability to convert town players to their alignment, that might not count as a cult. (Since cults aren't town aligned and don't usually have restrictions on who they can target)

The Aeon alignment win condition is to outnumber the rebels? How would that fit with a town recruiter?

Doesn't this question feels a bit shallow and just irrelevant? Like Raut was rambling and its obvious a question like that goes nowhere

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I think plenty of people engage their scumreads, it's a sign of humility, where you admit you might be wrong and as such are willing to attempt to figure out if you are :p
But in all seriousness I don't see anything that sticks out as weird
Pedit: what?

The exchange I quoted show primate being complacent, not investigative. Maybe hes just simotech scum but this just doesnt strike me as Town asking a SR stuff

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PP was mafia? lmao, my first reaction was that he must not even have known himself until later in the day

Wow so what, one of the companies is outright the scum team? That seems like bad design.

You guys freaking hammered when I specfically told you all I need serum to win. The fuck, brism

VOTE: Almost

Now we can kill this

I specifically remember Pengu claiming an Inno on the slot too.

Also from the flip the game is most likely singleball

How so ? I doubt PP was killed from a town aligned slot, 3P?

looks at bambi

Thou shalt not blame the surv.

This is my view, most of it based on the flavour. We know that Simotech does not exist as a company in this game. The reason we are here is to stop the flow of serum. And flavourwise I think it'd be a bit weird if the serum production is a complete red herring. So it seems likely that we either have simotech, we have a group of people unrelated to simotech who are the scum and producing the serum, or we have some pro-town force producing the serum and us being concerned about the production is a red herring. Whilst it could be the Aeon alignment producing the serum, the information we've got so far I don't think naturally leads you in that direction, although it's a fair point that that win condition is a strong indication to me that we're dealing with a single scumgroup. I feel like the flavour so far is leading us to the conclusion that the people making the serum are split across several companies, with Johnson and GenX both implicated. This isn't based on any role knowledge or anything, but I wonder if in the future there's going to be a event where we can in some way decide that we're actually just fine with the serum and maybe something major will change. Speculation though.

RE PP/Almost: PP had to be team scum, he's got an area marked factional ability. I don't think it means a huge deal that it was redacted. I looked at everhope and the scum had a list of stuff they could use in the pt that wasn't even mentioned in the PM (this was mentioned as a possibility in that games rules). It's possible the mods has moved some stuff around and tried a different implementation of a similar type of thing. I think you have to assume that he could do stuff other than kill. The general situation with the PGO makes sense. PP claimed something about a50, the a50 pgos and pp dies, sure. I don't think specifics about the actions make sense (I don't think speculation about a50 losing his role makes sense, and the stuff with the aescetic seems weird), but I think that's broadly what happened. We're down a kill but we don't need an explanation for that now.

Also, just think about it Gamma. Primate has not been active this game, Dun/Sakura/Myself/You were active this game. How many of the actives slots claims to be versed in the flavour of the game ? Dun/Sakura basically stopped caring about it too much iirc. I tried to make sens of it the majority d1/d2 but eventually stopped because its just too exhaustive. You? I dont recall you talk heavy about flavour

Why then, would an not-so invested slot shows a POV that is flavour heavy? Why would an uninvested slot would invest more in the flavour than the majority of the very active slot?

What is the difference? Why would someone take the time to read all the stuff the mod posted just to pro dodge and not engage anyone?


Don't you think that it benefit mafia more than it does to town? the only pov Primate is able to gives is one that is mechanically/flavour wise sound, but ultimately emotionless, which is a textbook s tell.
Who pro dodge a game just to post a very dense half-wall about flavour??

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How is that complacent?

I don't really understand why PP voted PK if he's not using the creature justification.

I was voting because of creature meta but then unvoted when I remembered this:

Scum creature doesn't usually get replaced though? Typically they prod dodge/low effort until they get lynched ime.

You said you preferred PK to A50 though in #3000. Regardless of whether you have a townread on A50 or it's something else, why include PK as a pref? Is this because you consider PK scummy despite thinking FTC wasn't creature? Or did you just use him as an example because people were talking about him at the time?

@Gamma does this sounds like someone who talks to a scumread ? confbias tho

How is that complacent?

Because hes already half answering the questions while asking them, it doesnt sounds like he cares about the answer. He basically asking "did u X, Y or Z?'' while waiting for a yes/no answer, thats not investigative, you dont find scum by giving them multiple answer choices

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I love how you mentioned this stuff before we switched to Claude, and not on twilight.
It helped a ton to ensure a Primate lynch today.

I just saw all of this crap by iso'ing him in real time

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its funny my alignement is still on the table

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For some reason I feel like scum cloud doesn't do this "put in the effort after the payoff isn't there" thing

For some reason I agree.
But.
I kinda want to be lazy now coz i clearly suk at convincing ppl fish is scum and im tired.

Would you like me to case fish?

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TLDR: Fish towntold by lowkey calling me a pathetic human being if i was scum when I was being an ass. That could by NAI considering multiball tho

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It was at the time he scumread me you know. IMO it was his ego taking because he knew he was starting to be swayed by how I acted while being fosed. This somehow shows that is ego was affected; he didn't want to TR me because I was annoying/loud/disruptive but he did and told me id be very low to act like I did as scum.

IMO it was genuine af and it only comes from town

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What cloud is doing; Its kind of a shitty thing to do though


I might be swayed to policy it.

Next time I will check the player list before signing up

If you flip not!green, I will find your play downright revolting.

This is way worse than some 1v1.

Prior to 4161 he was basically starting to change his read. But when i started claiming mafia, he said he might policy me for it. If he was really trying to buddy me he wouldn't have mention a policy in anyway. Then 4173 shows he was upset at my play.

The use of "not!green" is odd tho, im not sure what to think about it

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This explains why scum is not that obvious, because they genuinely scumhunt as well

VOTE: primate

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The flip makes gamma/dun/raut never simotech. The mariar kill is odd, imo she softed neighborizer so I dont get it.

Dun were you in a PT with mariar?

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Ftr I am informing everyone that if nothing changes, Primate is the lynch today

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I am thinking company mass claim too. Might be able to get Aeon that way and it might be able to clear others

Maybe someone has a diff company w/ aeon’s win con

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Honestly I think Cloud might actually have info with how he's acting. I'll see if he explains it though.

Meh, its from an old MariaR's post and im not sure i read it correctly after all

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Bambi not lying would be more sus than anything, I support lies that benefit own’s wincon

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There's another person apparently able to give out Serum, and they gave two to Sakura on Night 2 and if Bambi is to be believe two to her on Night 3.

VOTE: Oversoul
If Bambi wants to use Serum in order to help town then I'm okay with that, it shouldn't be treated as a scum claim. Besides, we can just make sure that Bambi is on the lynch tonight and if she did get serum last night then her event will trigger from it.

All the roles seems doubled; letter senders, bgs, vt/bp, masons etc
Also, i disagree with this vote. Can you summarize your case on them & iso dive primate for me. Remember that you should be a public servant

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@sakura & dun

Hey, how does miller works in multiball?

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Note 4: This happened when we believed Dunn to be a miller.

True, its not an obvious effect/role to claim when an universal tr claimed miller, its easy to think that 2 miller in a game doesnt work so well

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Note 4: This happened when we believed Dunn to be a miller.

Will you help me lynch primate sakura?

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Reading a50's role it's possibly for a strongman on mariar/ankamius to have caused 2 deaths

Thats very unlikely. You dont strongarm a fresh night replace in on a lurking slot w/ no claim, also you dont BG the slot for the very same reason especially with claimed masons

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Reading a50's role it's possibly for a strongman on mariar/ankamius to have caused 2 deaths

The question is.
Why would scum kill MariaR
Why would A50 BG MariaR

word

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WAIT
ZAPH DECIDED TO MAKE THIS GAME MUTLIBALL????????????????


WHY

Hm, don't think Ali is Simotech

This isnt shade on you on Alisea, but this is a weak shallow read

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@Dunn can you tell me what you think of OS/Primate/Fish ?

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I'm thinking that oversoul is town... or at least that he was a serum vendor that turned into a miller, but I guess it's possible for him to be aeon still off of that. I'm leaning town

For fish: their posting seems kind of towny to me and I'm leaning town there too

Primate: Not looking good and his vote history is really bad

outside primate, who do you think is mafia?

Do you think theres a deepwolf?

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What's the case on Primate again? I want to see I'd it holds up from yesterday.

Its the same really, same case since I fosed them d1 then he just made awful content since then. Also its a POE read which is getting increasingly powerful the more ppl dies.

We all agree there should AT least be 2 more mefia. I don't know setup specs but 12/3/3/1 looks swingy as fuck, but more balanced than 14/2/2/1. If bambi is just mefia then 13/3/3 looks fine?

That being said, theres many slots that still havent claimed and they are not the most towny. I don't really know 4 mefias could hide on this table but if theres deep wolves

Also, I agree with a company mass claim

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Alisea
Kidamn
Gamma Emerald
Fish Monger
RedPanda
Oversoul
Primate

If I am correct about my alignement distribution, there should only be 3 town in there, its pretty scary when I think about it

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Tanaka/Rainn's claim after the replacement basically confirmed them to me, so Alisae is good.

Can you precise, I dont even remember his role

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Nvm its the RCS bg soft claim something, hmm

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I heavily disliked rain's progression throughout the game + the replace outs just eh. Alisea is also not great. If I had a deepwolf vote it would be this slot atm

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Just for the record, if its a mislynch today + theres 2 town kill again, it might be a loss on the spot

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It could be 5/2/2/1 alive tomorow and bambi would be king maker

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So you disagree with the replacement not even knowing about the crumbs but claiming where he went anyway? I dunno cloud. Seems clearcut to me.

hm what, i saw the softs. Im just saying i disliked his play, a claim isn't everything

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Also Rainn was "invested" at replace-in, then dropped activity just to silently replace-out. RCS's 2nd head never posted in game then she replaced out.

RCS content was pretty decent for d1 but I dont recall anything outside what scum can be able to provides, she even said so herself at least once (and more than once irrc).

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Also my Rainn case on his replace in is not bullshit, it was very shallow and scummy the way he engaged me, then he mentionned I was scum for overreacting (when he did just that)

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Ok since ppl are going to ignore me
VOTE: Primate
Cya all tomorrow if im still alive.

No one is ignoring you sakura, im not sure why you are reacting this way. If anything, you didnt answer two of my questions i asked directly to you

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Don't vote too fast, Bambi you dont need to be on the lynch wagon if we are on scum (which is like very very likely)

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I leave when I get 10 or the game ends. I can keep spending serum, but otherwise I'm nearly free.

Okay, so before I claim I want you to promise you'll stay in once you win. I want you as a number for town.

I promise to vote with the majority. I dunno if the majority will be lead by a townie or an aeon or a Simotech, but I'll help where I can.

You owe me a vote and if you are really the 3p fool you will respect this for the sake of 3p integrity

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I leave when I get 10 or the game ends. I can keep spending serum, but otherwise I'm nearly free.

Okay, so before I claim I want you to promise you'll stay in once you win. I want you as a number for town.

I promise to vote with the majority. I dunno if the majority will be lead by a townie or an aeon or a Simotech, but I'll help where I can.

You owe me a vote and if you are really the 3p fool you will respect this for the sake of 3p integrity

3p fool? Nani?

Don't vote too fast, Bambi you dont need to be on the lynch wagon if we are on scum (which is like very very likely)

Oh right... If it's Simotech I get to 10, and if it's Aeon or town I get to 8. Hmm.

Don't vote too fast, Bambi you dont need to be on the lynch wagon if we are on scum (which is like very very likely)

I would prefer we dont jerrymander the wagons kthnx.

I dont use serum, so I mean neither do I need to be on it, but that wont stop me from voting with my heart.

Can you explain the gerrymander thingy because it sounds like shading

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Can you explain the gerrymander thingy because it sounds like shading

No it doesnt, youre just too squishy

Cloud, if I wanted to 'shade' you I wouldnt have saved your ass yesterday. Dont do that shortsighted thing.

I am asking for precision because i dont understand what you meant by that. I was also concerned because, like you said, it wouldve been incoherent with your d3 behavior