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[Datisi]

VOTE: Robb
Slept in way past noon. It was glorious.

[Datisi]

I'll allow you in if you start posting good memes. Chop chop.

[Datisi]

Good memes? When have I ever posted *good* memes?

When have you ever been in the townblock?

[Datisi]

You know that thing we had before

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

[Datisi]

Hi everyone. Yay, I recognize Icon and Datisi. Hopefully this time if I lynch Icon it's not a mis-lynch.

VOTE: Datisi

If i'm lynched this game it will be a mislynch. So there's that.

Spoiler:

back to rereading the CoC we go

[Datisi]

VOTE: DaTitsi

VOTE: datisi

I'm not usually one to joke vote names because some mods get annoyed, and apparently I already have a target on my back with this one (I'm joking) but datits is too good to pass up.

I've been called a lot of things on this site, but I haven't heard

this

one before.

[Datisi]

Town pings so far from Klick and Icon (as much as he hurts me)
Everyone else is null so far

[Datisi]

Correct, Billy. It's not typical to switch from one RVS vote to another, because typically the goal is to get out of RVS as quickly as possible. I think it's a scumtell that you're extending RVS.

Who says RVS is bad and it has to end ASAP? I think extending RVS is actually a townie thing to do.

May I please ask why?

[Datisi]

Therefore, the only way to obtain reads is to talk about the game.

Incorrect.

How else do you acquire reads? Just RVS, or...?

[Datisi]

This game is already an example. Someone opened with a true RQS (unrelated to the game), and look at this discussion (game related).

Really? Where? Or are you counting your own "how are you all today" question?

[Datisi]

I haven’t played Mafia for ages but I can’t ever remember seeing a specified townbloc - usually there comes a point where you naturally start trying to work with the people you strongly believe are Town - it’s rarely something that needs highlighting in of itself.

It really doesn't. But Icon has a thing for calling out townblocks I think

[Datisi]

Klick, sorry, didn't realize that was to me. No idea what they'd be talking about. Maybe how they should interact or not interact?

Is that all you think the Mafia would be talking about right now?

[Datisi]

I think scums talking about how waffles are better than pancakes

what the fuck is wrong with you

[Datisi]

Klick, sorry, didn't realize that was to me. No idea what they'd be talking about. Maybe how they should interact or not interact?

Is that all you think the Mafia would be talking about right now?

Really not sure what else they'd be talking about.

Okay, Billy's a townlean I think

[Datisi]

Ooooo someone liiikes pannncakes

I don't know about a town block, but I will join a waffle block so long as it includes Belgian waffles with ice cream.

oh great more waffle lovers >_> <_<

[Datisi]

Game-Specific Info

• 2 week day phases, 2 day night phases.
  
• Majority lynches only.
  
• Mafia daytalk is disabled.

They're not talking about anything.
That's why I asked, I figured mafia!Billy would've said "oh maf ain't talking they have no daytalk"

[Datisi]

What did you wanna say?

[Datisi]

If your current SR's are that there's one scum in {Kop, Robb} and one outside, I'd love to hear the details

[Datisi]

What are peoples reads?

townlean - {icon, klick}
townlean by ignorance of setup - {emperor, billy}
null - {everyone else}

Something feels off about datisi slightly too, could be that she’d ride or die for pancakes

love ya too bud

[Datisi]

What are peoples reads?

townlean - {icon, klick}
townlean by

ignorance of setup

- {emperor, billy}
null - {everyone else}

Ignorance of setup?

Billy said "I don't know what the Mafia would be talking about." Either he feigned the ignorance of no Mafia daytalk, or he truly didn't know. (As I said, I expected Mafia!Billy to point out that the Mafia has no daytalk.)
Your surprise at the fact seemed genuine enough, so I put you in the same category as well.

[Datisi]

Slight preference to vote for Tchill over Luca, but neither are pinging me as scum yet.

[Datisi]

Spoiler:

[Datisi]

Not in one rvs post I can't explain the scum motivation.

But I do see a pattern of "willful ignorance" and not trying to solve much.

The "I'm new or not sure what's going on" vibe is something he's trying to portray imo.

The continual portrayal of my admitted inexperience as purposeful, feigned, or willful is a bit annoying, but this does come off as town to me. Scum!me could be using my inexperience as a way to cover for not getting reads in the early game. My inexperience is what it is. I see why town players would think I have incentive to play it up. So I see this as him trying to pry into this.

This post is starting to ping me though. Now I'm thinkng if scum!Billy would've been able to fake that townslip.

[Datisi]

And I am not a fan of mis-lynches.

This made me laugh. Good to know.

I've done a bunch of them because more experienced players have persuaded me that it helps town.

You do know that most of the time, Town players don't purposefully mislynch?

As for the discussed slip, I don't know why so much weight was being placed on it.

I don't see why I wouldn't be able to say I didn't know what they were talking about at the time even if I knew they weren't talking.

I thought it was a weak town tell and don't know why folks would be reading it as a town tell.

Because "I don't know what they're talking about" implies "they're talking about something, I just don't know what." Scum!Billy would have to fake that he doesn't know scum don't have daytalk. Though at this point, I'm getting less and less opposed to that idea.

[Datisi]

VOTE: Tchill

He knows why

Seriously, what's up with this?

[Datisi]

Well at that point.

Go on

[Datisi]

We should also run close to deadline so scum has more time to interact with each other. That could help for later if tchill isn’t actually scum. It could also help to find his partner if he is.

Strong disagree here. Making people wait until the last possible moment to end the day is just gonna create apathy and stall the game

[Datisi]

We should also run close to deadline so scum has more time to interact with each other. That could help for later if tchill isn’t actually scum. It could also help to find his partner if he is.

Strong disagree here. Making people wait until the last possible moment to end the day is just gonna create apathy and stall the game

So you don’t think its a good idea to extend the time scum has to interact in front of us (or not interact at all) to help give us more clues to who they are?

If this ain't one hell of a leading question...

I don't think it's a good idea to forcibly try to make the days as long as possible. Then people won't bother posting as much at the start since there's still a lot of time left, which will lead to rushed lynches once we're close to the deadline.

I agree that longer days would be good if everyone would bother posting sensible amount of relevant content, but I simply don't think that would be the case.

[Datisi]

I want to force more

scum

interactions, not interactions in general

How would you know which is which during the day?

[Datisi]

At this moment Datisi is my strongest townread. I didn't agree with assigning the townread on the alleged slip

and the fact that she's come back around to more skeptically assessing it makes me feel like she's town.

Would I still be a townread (let alone the strongest one) if I hadn't done the test at all?

[Datisi]

Incidentally, Flippy's reaction to the same incident looked pretty genuine, which is why I've put him around the null level. I actually dislike such tests as it causes me to doubt myself; such reactions can look so effective, yet be so easily faked by a good player

Would you otherwise be SRing him?

pedit: strong desire to put him at L-1...

[Datisi]

Did you have a scum read on me i didn’t know about?

Eh, kinda? I realize now that the fact you didn't know about the setup could be much easier to fake for you, and Icon does bring up points that I agree with
Plus this really isn't sitting well with me:

So you don’t think its a good idea to extend the time scum has to interact in front of us (or not interact at all) to help give us more clues to who they are?

[Datisi]

Bah, I wanted to catch up at my own pace, but thanks for calling me out
For now, UNVOTE:

[Datisi]

I lurk as either alignment occasionally.

[Datisi]

Post menacing gifs all you want, it's true.

Come and do stuff, like put your vote where it's usefull so I can get a read on you

I take this that you don't have a read on me yet?

[Datisi]

You've been kinda pressuring both Billy and NippleFlips, but I don't feel you actually sorting. Ur not voting their either,

so I don't know what your plan is here

. Could easily be you are scum trying to appear busy without committing to anything yet

Hell my dude, neither do I. It's been a while since I've gotten into a game and been this confused reads-wise.

Do you think I should be townreading you?

That would be very nice. I'm aware that my play looks at least somewhat sketchy so far. I kinda hoped you would've recognized confused!Town!Datisi here, but can't blame ya if you don't.

[Datisi]

Alright, here's where I am right now: (most to least town)

Billy

- I feel like he's playing like classic Town!Billy. Plus, I think scum!Billy would've tried to pocket me (rather than downgrading his TR), especially as my lynch is starting to get more and more likely.

Klick

- Still having the same vibes from him as in the beginning.

A50

- Granted, we've been in the game together for only a short while, so this is subject to change, but he seems towny so far. Plus I can feel being confused about reads.

Tchill

- He feels genuine, at least enough for D1.

Icon

- I know posting gifs and fooling around is his style, but he seems to be almost pushing it.

Emperor

- I don't see why such activity couldn't be coming from scum who's purposefully trying to have such a playstyle.

Luca

- Their posts seem... fake? I can't explain it well, but I just feel their posts are so devoid of life, like they're cold and calculated. It could be just their playstyle, but it's giving me bad vibes.

Kop

- I mean, yeah.

While I'm fine with voting Kop here, they feel like low-hanging fruit, so I'm gonna VOTE: Luca

[Datisi]

If it was solely on that, you would've been lower. Though it was implied that everything else was in place

[Datisi]

Oh right, before I forget.

Spoiler: more fluff

Who do you reckon is her favourite LFC player though? Salah? Mane? Van Dijk? Allison? Firmino? Trent? Robertson?

pedit @Icon: you gonna be my friend again if I sheep you on it?

pedit @Luca: that's fair, I said I'm not married to that read. I didn't bring it up because I was waiting to see if I were gonna get different vibes from you, plus I'm sorta grasping at straws here to not put everyone into null. Lemme see if I can find an example of what I mean.

[Datisi]

@Datisi: It seems odd then that you preferred a Tchill Lynch over a Luca Lynch earlier in the day if I’ve been giving you bad vibes the whole time.

At the time, the ping was slight, and I was willing to give it the benefit of the doubt and see if I start getting pinged more or less by you. Also Tchill has gone up since, hence why he's currently above both Icon and Emperor too.

Btw, what was this about?

Klick, sorry, didn't realize that was to me. No idea what they'd be talking about. Maybe how they should interact or not interact?

Is that all you think the Mafia would be talking about right now?

What do you think they’re talking about?

[Datisi]

Yes, I'm going through his ISO. I'm struggling how to put my thoughts into words though. Give me a moment.

[Datisi]

@Datisi:It seemed like you were expecting scum to be discussing something more specific (

I also wasn’t aware of the no day chat

) so I was wondering what your thoughts were.

Huh. You didn't read all the game rules? And when going through my ISO later on, you didn't mention it?

pedit: yes, I would say so. Also I realize now "devoid of life" might have been too harsh, but I'll stick with fake.

[Datisi]

I realize that "devoid of life" was a wrong way to put it, and I apologize if I did come across as too harsh.

Spoiler: marked in red

I’m very busy this weekend but will try and catch-up every now and then.

Catching up presently.

Just reading up now...

As of the start of page 7, I'm feeling pretty good about Flippy, Klick and Billy. Iconeum seemed Townie based on his start,

but I may have to revisit that slot at some point

, Tchill's contribution at the end of page 6 seems decent.

Klick's 151 is either townie or confident scum work. I'm leaning towards the former atm.

Tchili mid page 8 is either showing genuine Townie emotion or is a skilled scum player - it reminds me of my own frustration in past games.

Just skimmed the last couple of pages - gonna get myself more comfortable for some deeper reading. Right now I'm not really scumreading any of the active players, which is pretty rare for me.

The only one that falls slightly below the null line is probably Datisi based on her content, or lack thereof. Hopefully we get some replacements in soon.

Gonna read back again now.

I also agree with the 'trying to look Town' bit regarding the topic of whether we should use the full day or cut it short.

Also, as a side point, I never understand why, as a Townie, you would tell scum what you're looking out for (in this case, specifically the interactions between possible scum partners). This isn't necessarily AI in of itself as I see this kind of thing all the time, but it's just something I feel is counter-productive.

Looking over Datisi's ISO - it's full of game theory chat and passive questioning - this is where my slightly below null read originates from. The only real point of interest is 99 - Would scum do such a 'test'? Looking back at it, it felt a bit unnecessary of Datisi because Billy's answer to Klick's original question already provided the 'townslip'. I think I'm leaning towards this being an act from scum who are at a loss of what to do, so choose to do something that appears to be useful Town work, with the additional benefit of getting a Townie onside (which, if this scenario is accurate, would have been successful given Pilgrims TR of Datisi).

This is still very much a work in progress,

but my reads are something like this at the moment:

Tchill
Klick
Pilgrim, Icon, Flippy,
Datisi

Incidentally, Flippy's reaction to the same incident looked pretty genuine, which is why I've put him around the null level. I actually dislike such tests as it causes me to doubt myself; such reactions can look so effective, yet be so easily faked by a good player

So far getting positive vibes from Icon, Klick and Pilgrim. Somewhat negative vibe from Datisi.

care to expand a little bit with specifics? Cuz I honestly had no vibes at all from any of the posts I read so far (posts before this one I'm quoting)

I expanded on the Pilgrim vibes in 57. I felt positively about Icon early on mainly due to the fact he seemed to be posting without thinking too much

(I’m aware some players can do this as scum, but it’s a half-decent starting point)

. The vibes about Klick were mainly due to the ‘drunken’ posting.

Again, this could be a clever scum move but I felt it was more likely to come from a Townie.

Looking after my kid at the moment so hard for me to fully check back,

but I think I’ve covered most of the above already. I had a very slight townread on you based on the opening. By the time I made my catch-up post you hadn’t posted for like three days, nor had your ‘serious’ work at that point done much to give me a read on you either way, so I had you as null. Recently I’ve agreed with your points of view on Nippy (or rather you agreed with mine) and on Klick, plus I’ve seen some positive game advancing work from you, so I have you as a town-lean. I haven’t Iso’d you yet but that’s where i currently stand. The rest of your questions I believe I’ve covered already if you look back.

I've marked in red the parts that are pinging me. It simply seems as if he's trying to position himself in a "town-leadrer, voice of reason" position and to appear much more busy/credible than he is. Also note that these posts came after I nulled Luca.

pedit: as I said, I was willing to give him more time. I'm still not certain in this, but you've forced me to out my thoughts, so whatever.

pedit2: Billy and Emperor had single posts that pinged me more, and I was willing to jump on those to see what they mean. Luca has been slowly pinging me across the game.

[Datisi]

What should I have mentioned?

The fact you didn't know about the daytalk. I kinda feel like you would've mentioned that part when going through my ISO, since you did bring up 99

Datisi you are capable of much better reads then that when ur town

Town!you doesn't just read those posts and thinks 'hey, he's using excuses to post less, this means he is position himself as town leader!'

I'll take that as a compliment, but this game is genuinely confuzzling me.
Btw, I don't think "excuses to post less -> positioning to be Town leader".
Was thinking more along the lines of "excuses to post less -> still getting TR'ed even though he might not be contributing as much" and "a lot of logical reasoning -> positioning to be Town leader"

[Datisi]

Luca

-

Their posts seem... fake? I can't explain it well, but I just feel their posts are so devoid of life, like they're cold and calculated.

It could be just their playstyle, but it's giving me bad vibes.

Of course they should be a work in progress. But the way he keeps pointing it out.

Also I called them "fake" efore I called them "devoid of life".

[Datisi]

Could be I guess.

And I'll assume you're SRing me at the moment, so yes, you're reading me wrong.

[Datisi]

Do I feel something in my pocket, Icon?

Spoiler:

[Datisi]

I'd argue scum!Icon needs a sheep more than he needs a mislynch candidate right now, but alas. I'll bite for now.
VOTE: Kop
Also I think this is L-2, but I've lost count, so, pls no lolhammers k thx.

[Datisi]

[Datisi]

Spoiler:

[Datisi]

using other people's games for advertising smdh

fo real though that fakehammer was lame. why you gotta scare poor Billy like that?

[Datisi]

@Luca
There was no need for you to mention it. However, you kinda strike me as a type of player who would try to get as much info out there as he can, and would therefore mention it in the passing? It's nothing major, but it's a thought I'd gotten.

[Datisi]

@Luca
There was no need for you to mention it. However, you kinda strike me as a type of player who would try to get as much info out there as he can, and would therefore mention it in the passing? It's nothing major, but it's a thought I'd gotten.

I’m not really that kind of player; I often choose to hold back certain things for various reasons, but also sometimes try to mix it up a bit. It did cross my mind to mention that I had myself forgotten about the day chat, but what use would it have been?

I doubt anyone would have just taken my word for it

, so I left it out.

Why not? A couple of other people didn't know, and nobody accused them of anything for it.

[Datisi]

This is good to see.

Did you read my response to 366?

pedit @Luca: I don't have a problem with the content itself, as I said the tone/style is what threw me off.

pedit @Tchill:

If I'm assuming that

datisi and iconeum

are scum.

Kop and icon

seem like the type of scum that would just want a lynch to get by, without necessarily playing for the endgame.

?

[Datisi]

Does 366 matter if he votes a guy that only made 2 posts the entire game 4 posts later? No.

366 does not matter because his immediate vote switch shows he's not serious about the vote. Actions speak louder than words.

Thought it mattered since you commented it's "good to see".

Icon was the first person to call me out for lurking though? Why does he do that, then go straight back to town!Datisi after what you feel is a weak defense?

[Datisi]

@Luca: I mostly agree with the basis of what you've been saying all game (except for your reads on me). But I still can't shake off the feeling that your posts are constructed like that.
@Tchill: Weren't you voting me at the time? I might be misremembering tho

[Datisi]

Alright, fair enough. Though you'll have to speak to Icon about what the point of the push was.

[Datisi]

And the only thing I've seen you do worth noting is become active once pushed. Then push the inactive slot WITH the guy that called you a lurker. Very odd to me. Your reads don't have much depth to them.

I'm fine stating datisi and

kop

are definitely top priorities atm.

Is this another error, or are you suddenly on board with pushing the inactive slot?

[Datisi]

Huh, I woke up with a noose around my neck. Cool.

I'm a VT. I'll write some final thoughts in an hour or so when I properly wake up.

[Datisi]

I had literally just opened my eyes and wanted to write something to acknowledge it.

[Datisi]

Ay yo Billy, how's that read on me looking rn?

[Datisi]

I'm not tho

[Datisi]

I'd argue scum!Icon needs a sheep more than he needs a mislynch candidate right now, but alas. I'll bite for now.

VOTE: Kop
Also I think this is L-2, but I've lost count, so, pls no lolhammers k thx.

Remember all that stuff of mine you marked in red?

It seems like you feel guilty for this vote and are making an excuse for yourself.

I meant that I said. Scum!Icon needs a sheep more than a mislynch.

My main issue reading those posts was 'devoid of life', while I thought the posts contained at least decent content and were definitely not empty.

When she reworded to 'reading fake'

I thought OK, I could kinda see that.

I thought we've established that I said "fake"

before

I said "devoid of life". Misrep much?

[Datisi]

UNVOTE:

Honestly, I'm not feeling too well about Icon right now. He started pushing me, and once seeing that I really had no idea what I'm doing, decided to drop it, since he could probably easily manipulate me into following him. But then realized others still want me to hang, so he had no choice but to join in.

If it is scum!Icon, I'd guess his partner is in the upper half of my readslist, but hell, I'm genuinely lost this game so take that as you will.

[Datisi]

@Luca
Since you marked the top part in red, I thought you were referring to that. Scum!Icon would know how to manipulate me and make me vote with him. He would profit from having the VI alive.

@Tchill
Yeah sure, I'm around. Still distrusting Kop, Icon and Luca the most. I've given out reasons for that already (except for Kop, his second post is pretty bad, but he's getting replaced anyway)
Billy and Klick were my top two TR, but at this point I'm genuinely not sure of that either anymore.

[Datisi]

I thought we've established that I said "fake" before I said "devoid of life". Misrep much?

We established this

after

our discussion.

Yes, and you brought it up again

after

we've established that

I followed you on because I disn't trust Kop either, and I figured you'd be more sortable later.

[Datisi]

The quote you made of me, was me explaining my thoughts

at that time

as people requested I did.

Hm, didn't see this line. Anyway. Still feel like you would've made a comment about how you misunderstood that later on.

[Datisi]

You also said you think his posts are devoid of life, which is ok to say but I disagree.

You change your story to 'his posting seems fake' which is not a lesser degree of 'devoid of life', but something else entirely. You kinda had to change, because you know you can't sell his posts as empty.

VOTE: Datisi

My main issue reading those posts was 'devoid of life', while I thought the posts contained at least decent content and were definitely not empty.
When she reworded to 'reading fake'

I thought OK, I could kinda see that.

I didn't know voting for me means "OK, I could kinda see that." Wild.

Never said I was TRing you my dude. Also I said in my vote of Kop that I don't trust you (Luca even colored it!)

[Datisi]

Those first two posts are way old.

And I'm not? I'm saying I think scum!Icon profits by keeping me alive if I'll be following him?

[Datisi]

I didn't know voting for me means "OK, I could kinda see that." Wild.

Are you purposefully misreading my posts or what? I was explaining the reason for my UNVOTE on you, not the VOTE.

If you were explaining your UNVOTE, why the fuck wouldn't you say "I thought Datisi was rewording devoid of life but that was actually not the case as I realized and I decided to unvote her"?

[Datisi]

@Luca, fair enough, I can see how it could've been taken that way.

@Icon, you didn't? You said "when she reworded it"?

If it was solely on that, you would've been lower. Though it was implied that everything else was in place

This post as well. Translated this reads as 'your play is town but I think your useage of gifs is too much and reads as scummy so i have you as

null

'.

Yeah. null.

[Datisi]

My main issue reading those posts was 'devoid of life', while I thought the posts contained at least decent content and were definitely not empty.
When she reworded to 'reading fake' I thought OK, I could kinda see that.

This was the reason you UNVOTED me, right? Why did you give this as an explanation for the UNVOTE, when you getting suspicious of me for rewording "devoid of life" (even tho we later established that I hadn't done that) was what cause you to VOTE (among other things).

And yes, the other posts seemed fine but gif usage was pinging me. What, was I just supposed to ignore that as if it didn't happen?

[Datisi]

Great then. I'm done with playing "oh i said this you said that no you actually said vote vote unvote vote" game. The living Town can come back to this headache tomorrow.

[Datisi]

Alisae replaces Kop.

I'm lost in this Icon Datisi interaction. I think that someone may have a timeline off, but given how both are tunelling and posting almost on top of each other this is really hard to follow.

As for my Datisi read, this is the first time I've seen you come under pressure. And I can't say I feel like you're handling it well. You immediately jumped on Icon, and I don't see Icon's scum motivation in drawing attention to you, then hopping off when he has some nibbles to redirect to the inactive slot, only to come back to you when the inactive is getting replaced. If Icon is pushing for a ML on you, after he gets bites why doesn't he stay on you?

I'm having trouble coming around to scum!Icon in this interaction. That said, I feel like this wagon built up pretty quickly. Datisi, if you're town, do you think scum is on or off the wagon?

D:
As I said earlier, I'm genuinely lost in this game. And I feel like the discussion between Icon and I can make it pretty easy for anyone to jump on and then not get SR'ed for it. So I don't know.

[Datisi]

Also, actual footage of Datisi right now:

Spoiler:

Tbh it's more like

Spoiler:

[Datisi]

Alisae you don't need any of that
just
hop on

Spoiler:

[Datisi]

Spoiler:

I've already posted my thoughts. I wish I knew. Bad reads have gotten me into this mess in the first place.

[Datisi]

Oh lawd. I have given my readslist yesterday. If that's what you interpret as "no opinion" then idk.

[Datisi]

True, but my opinion hasn't changed much.

[Datisi]

True, but my opinion hasn't changed much.

I mean, it's not that hard for town to give their thoughts on wagon. Scum benefit most from dodging this question so ur not really helping your case if ur town.

Ok, but here's thing.

I don't know.

I genuinely have no idea what the fuck is happening this game. I can try to look around the wagon, but at that point it would've been too easy for scum to hop on given how shit my arguments were yesterday. And I think I don't want to risk scum later on using my reads as an argument or something, because I feel like whatever reads I give now they can be incredibly off base.

[Datisi]

having shit arguments yesterday means nothing.

Ah yes, except I'm at L-1 now.

[Datisi]

What do you mean?

[Datisi]

Spoiler: first push

I think scums talking about how waffles are better than pancakes

what the fuck is wrong with you

Hmm, I read through Datisi ISO and I can see where you are coming from.

Yo Datisi I know ur lurking around here somewhere

Come and do stuff, like put your vote where it's usefull so I can get a read on you

VOTE: Datisi

Spoiler: push after i tried to explain my reads

Why pressure Billy (my solid townread) and Nippleflips (not a bad choice, but your motivation was lacking), and NOT the slot you think was 'faking' it or who's post are 'devoid of life'?

Datisi you are capable of much better reads then that when ur town

Town!you doesn't just read those posts and thinks 'hey, he's using excuses to post less, this means he is position himself as town leader!'

I've marked in red the parts that are pinging me. It simply seems as if he's trying to position himself in a "town-leadrer, voice of reason" position and to appear much more busy/credible than he is. Also note that these posts came after I nulled Luca.

There are multiple instances (you even marked them red) where he says he is busy and his reads are a work in progress (which they should be?)
From this you make a story that says 'he's positioning himself as town leader' that doesn't make sense

You also said you think his posts are devoid of life, which is ok to say but I disagree. You change your story to 'his posting seems fake' which is not a lesser degree of 'devoid of life', but something else entirely. You kinda had to change, because you know you can't sell his posts as empty.

VOTE: Datisi

Spoiler: giving up on the push

Luca

-

Their posts seem... fake? I can't explain it well, but I just feel their posts are so devoid of life, like they're cold and calculated.

It could be just their playstyle, but it's giving me bad vibes.

Of course they should be a work in progress. But the way he keeps pointing it out.

Also I called them "fake" efore I called them "devoid of life".

Hmm indeed. You use that 'devoid of life' in a different way then I had in my mind.

Datisi am I reading you wrong here?

I think there's a decent chance all 3 of us are town here

Spoiler: back on it after others said that they thought i was scummy as well

Tbf I'm probably grasping at straws a bit, I've drank a bit too much tonight lol. But this game is stalling and needs to go somewhere

That's the whole point tbh, RVS is pointless but it's used as a starting point to get into actual game talk. I try to do my best to find something, anything, to work with from RVS. Though talking about it in this meta way probably invalidates a fair bit of that.

Someone come chat with me, I'm town and I feel like I can make myself fairly obvious town in this state lmao

These posts scream town to me

How do they scream town? They're NAI and contain almost no good content.

I disagree with this. It reads a lot like town, maybe we are looking for different things.

@luca

Datisi and icon are both nitpicking rn and they both pushed the inactive slot. The least productive thing they could have done. When did they do this?

When datisi was being pressured more than she has been the entire game so far.

Ehm, I was like the dude who actually pushed Datisi tho.

VOTE: kop

What the hell icon... A little AtE and datisi is town again?

That is a good point. The end of that interaction felt bad. Like not complete? Cos my feelings for datisi got worse by that point. Why did you change your vote icon?

Damn. But the waffle block...

I felt equally terrible about leaving Datisi be for now.

I see where tchill is coming from with his analysis, but I don't agree with him that this was a low risk look productive play from Icon. This entire gamestate has been convoluted and confused. There's been very little voting activity. The one time that Icon had cased previously some folks went over to Nips. I don't know that there's scum motivation to take that risk in the current gamestate.

'Not a lot of voting activity' did you even read the last couple pages?

Icon's motivation for Datisi:

My questioning of her is genuine. I think there's a lot of scum equity in Datisi, and her catchup post is just all scum. However, I'm a sucker for the ladies and I have a history with Datisi that makes me reconsider/hold back/use the soft gloves on her.

I thought that if I gave a bit of breathing room she would either continue to slip or start town spewing so I could better sort her.
In any case I have very little interest in letting a full slot get to D2 with TWO posts in ISO. That's bad for us.

Did I stop pressuring Datisi? Yes. Do I think Datisi is town? No.

I hope this answers all of your questions, if not, shoot.

With the inactive slot probably being replaced I feel fine with voting elsewhere

VOTE: Datisi

I think the catchup was really scummy, her readslist doesn't make a lot of sense and is very surface level. These are the reasons I pushed. I also strongly feel we should not be overlooking inactive slots, because they hurt town more in the late game then a scummy D1 slot.

My main issue reading those posts was 'devoid of life', while I thought the posts contained at least decent content and were definitely not empty.
When she reworded to 'reading fake' I thought OK, I could kinda see that.

I left her some room and went off to push out the inactive slot (which you'd be surprised at how often they actually start posting all of a sudden, so it's definitely not a waste of time).

Datisi has the most scum equity and should be the D1 lynch as it stands now, but I'd rather see more of Kop slot before that happens.

That's about as clear as I can make my thoughts rn

[Datisi]

Ali you've read the game yes?

Datisi wa being silent, I called her out to post something, she posted a (not so great) readslist and is now being pushed for the list and for her reactions to it. You call it a bad wagon, but have failed to point what is so awfull about it.

You said I wasn't pushed for the readslist though, but for the motivation?

[Datisi]

Spoiler: first push

I think scums talking about how waffles are better than pancakes

what the fuck is wrong with you

Hmm, I read through Datisi ISO and I can see where you are coming from.

Yo Datisi I know ur lurking around here somewhere

Come and do stuff, like put your vote where it's usefull so I can get a read on you

VOTE: Datisi

Spoiler: push after i tried to explain my reads

Why pressure Billy (my solid townread) and Nippleflips (not a bad choice, but your motivation was lacking), and NOT the slot you think was 'faking' it or who's post are 'devoid of life'?

Datisi you are capable of much better reads then that when ur town

Town!you doesn't just read those posts and thinks 'hey, he's using excuses to post less, this means he is position himself as town leader!'

I've marked in red the parts that are pinging me. It simply seems as if he's trying to position himself in a "town-leadrer, voice of reason" position and to appear much more busy/credible than he is. Also note that these posts came after I nulled Luca.

There are multiple instances (you even marked them red) where he says he is busy and his reads are a work in progress (which they should be?)
From this you make a story that says 'he's positioning himself as town leader' that doesn't make sense

You also said you think his posts are devoid of life, which is ok to say but I disagree. You change your story to 'his posting seems fake' which is not a lesser degree of 'devoid of life', but something else entirely. You kinda had to change, because you know you can't sell his posts as empty.

VOTE: Datisi

Spoiler: giving up on the push

Luca

-

Their posts seem... fake? I can't explain it well, but I just feel their posts are so devoid of life, like they're cold and calculated.

It could be just their playstyle, but it's giving me bad vibes.

Of course they should be a work in progress. But the way he keeps pointing it out.

Also I called them "fake" efore I called them "devoid of life".

Hmm indeed. You use that 'devoid of life' in a different way then I had in my mind.

Datisi am I reading you wrong here?

I think there's a decent chance all 3 of us are town here

reminder that the hop-on on Kop happened here, before the final spoiler

Spoiler: back on it after others said that they thought i was scummy as well

Tbf I'm probably grasping at straws a bit, I've drank a bit too much tonight lol. But this game is stalling and needs to go somewhere

That's the whole point tbh, RVS is pointless but it's used as a starting point to get into actual game talk. I try to do my best to find something, anything, to work with from RVS. Though talking about it in this meta way probably invalidates a fair bit of that.

Someone come chat with me, I'm town and I feel like I can make myself fairly obvious town in this state lmao

These posts scream town to me

How do they scream town? They're NAI and contain almost no good content.

I disagree with this. It reads a lot like town, maybe we are looking for different things.

@luca

Datisi and icon are both nitpicking rn and they both pushed the inactive slot. The least productive thing they could have done. When did they do this?

When datisi was being pressured more than she has been the entire game so far.

Ehm, I was like the dude who actually pushed Datisi tho.

VOTE: kop

What the hell icon... A little AtE and datisi is town again?

That is a good point. The end of that interaction felt bad. Like not complete? Cos my feelings for datisi got worse by that point. Why did you change your vote icon?

Damn. But the waffle block...

I felt equally terrible about leaving Datisi be for now.

I see where tchill is coming from with his analysis, but I don't agree with him that this was a low risk look productive play from Icon. This entire gamestate has been convoluted and confused. There's been very little voting activity. The one time that Icon had cased previously some folks went over to Nips. I don't know that there's scum motivation to take that risk in the current gamestate.

'Not a lot of voting activity' did you even read the last couple pages?

Icon's motivation for Datisi:

My questioning of her is genuine. I think there's a lot of scum equity in Datisi, and her catchup post is just all scum. However, I'm a sucker for the ladies and I have a history with Datisi that makes me reconsider/hold back/use the soft gloves on her.

I thought that if I gave a bit of breathing room she would either continue to slip or start town spewing so I could better sort her.
In any case I have very little interest in letting a full slot get to D2 with TWO posts in ISO. That's bad for us.

Did I stop pressuring Datisi? Yes. Do I think Datisi is town? No.

I hope this answers all of your questions, if not, shoot.

With the inactive slot probably being replaced I feel fine with voting elsewhere

VOTE: Datisi

I think the catchup was really scummy, her readslist doesn't make a lot of sense and is very surface level. These are the reasons I pushed. I also strongly feel we should not be overlooking inactive slots, because they hurt town more in the late game then a scummy D1 slot.

My main issue reading those posts was 'devoid of life', while I thought the posts contained at least decent content and were definitely not empty.
When she reworded to 'reading fake' I thought OK, I could kinda see that.

I left her some room and went off to push out the inactive slot (which you'd be surprised at how often they actually start posting all of a sudden, so it's definitely not a waste of time).

Datisi has the most scum equity and should be the D1 lynch as it stands now, but I'd rather see more of Kop slot before that happens.

That's about as clear as I can make my thoughts rn

[Datisi]

Ali you've read the game yes?

Datisi wa being silent, I called her out to post something, she posted a (not so great) readslist and is now being pushed for the list and for her reactions to it. You call it a bad wagon, but have failed to point what is so awfull about it.

You said I wasn't pushed for the readslist though, but for the motivation?

yep

Can you elaborate?

[Datisi]

This game just gave me a nosebleed. Hope yall happy with yourselves.

[Datisi]

What's your readslist rn?

[Datisi]

Alisae - either you're playing some convoluted long con or you're Town, you had a perfect opportunity to jump onto my wagon
Billy, Klick, A50
Tchill
---
Emperor - Icon is also around here somewhere but I don't know what to make of him rn
---
Luca

[Datisi]

Uhhhhh
Your slot is not on the top of the list
Billy fell down a lil bit, but we'll see about that
still think Klick and A50 are Town but would like them to contribute more
Being a bit more suspicious of Emperor and Icon is becoming a big ???

[Datisi]

Mainly post 551
I think I had commented at the time that I felt like scum!Icon wanted a sheep, but then went back to pushing me after people started voting me and accusing him of being my buddy?

Mainly his catchup to my reads and discussion, but he's still a firm null

[Datisi]

My Datisi read progression:

54 - I had

slightly negative early vibes

on Datisi early on; nothing significant, but I threw it out there in an attempt to get the ball rolling.

215 - I reaffirm my

slightly negative view

on Datisi, this time more based on the lack of content.

224 - I decide to Iso Datisi in an attempt to establish a firmer read. The context here is that I had been scumreading Flippy and close to voting him until his 'townslip', when I reviewed it, gave me pause for thought, so I decided to look in the direction of my other 'below null' read. In this post I was genuinely trying to establish whether Datisi had town motivation behind her 'test', which as I've said is the only thing of significance she had done by this point. Possibly biased by the fact I had so many TR's and so few SR's at this point, I interpreted it more likely as being scum at a loss for what to do to look Townie. Certainly I could see a mindset of 'if I make it look like I deliberately caused a townslip, I will look Townie myself'. Klick's test had a more genuine feel due to the fact he unvoted Pilgrim yet didn't immediately explain, and therefore try to take credit for the test.

By this point in the game I'm also becoming increasingly aware that Datisi is ignoring everything I'm saying about her. Incidentally, I read in the scum chat of one her previous games where she asked her partner if she should ignore the scumreads she was getting - this gave me a slight ping, but I wanted to keep it to myself at this point to see how it developed.

349 and 351 -

I thought it didn't quite add up that she had given no signs of scumreading me at all

(quite the contrary, in fact) and yet now she was saying my posts have been fake the whole time.

What you failed to mention however, is that in that game RC came out with me as his strongest SR (rightfully so - my play was godawful) and kept continuously pushing me, and I was trying to ignore that. You, however, have expressed having "very slightly negative vibes" on me twice. Was I supposed to jump onto that?

Also, you say how me ignoring your "negative vibes" is what made you doubt me,

but you decided to not say anything to see how that developed

.

Yet your literal next sentence is saying how you thought it was weird that I was "sudeenly SRing you", even though I had said that I wanted to give you some time to see if I would be getting better vibes from you.

VOTE: Luca

Alisae - either you're playing some convoluted long con or you're Town, you had a perfect opportunity to jump onto my wagon
Billy, Klick, A50
Tchill
---
Emperor - Icon is also around here somewhere but I don't know what to make of him rn
---
Luca

I agree with you on Ali here. If I hadn't called you out and pushed you, would you be townreading me more?

I'm not SRing you because you called me out and started pushing me, I think that aligns with town!Icon. I'm SRing you because you called me out, started pushing me, gave up and said you think I'm Town, and after others said that they still think I'm scum and that you're my partner, you

jumped back on and gave some half-assed AtE excuse about using soft gloves on me or whatever.

Other then trying to force-feed your Luca read upon this game, there's very little effort to dig deeper into why Datisi was being wagoned, not the motivation behind players on the Datisi wagon (

something Datisi is refusing to look into herself

).

I did say I think your motivations are scummy.

[Datisi]

How does everyone feel about Nippleflips?

I didn't scumread him previously, but the longer this day goes on

the more obvious his sidelining becomes.

From my experience in mislynches (and being mislynched), scum often tends to be exactly where this dude is: participating without actually discussing

Can you explain this for me?

[Datisi]

Datisi, we've been over this already.
I called you out, you responded with a readslist. I didn't like it and I pressured you. When we reached the conclusion of our discussion, I wanted to pressure the inactive slot so it doesnt go to waste. There's rarely time to push inactives during late day, so it was then or not at all. When it became clear that more people wanted to push Datisi, and that the slot was going to get replaced anyway, I saw no reason to continue pressuring there.

During all of this I never lost my scumread of Datisi, but it became less sure. Hence my remark 'could be town'. That's not the same as 'townread'.
What exactly feels so bad about this to you?

We've been over this, but I'm not buying what you're selling.
"When it became clear that more people wanted to push Datisi" sounds opportunistic as hell.
You say your SR became "less sure". Is it still less sure? Back to the original? Even stronger?

pedit: And sure, let's divert attention. Emperor it is.

[Datisi]

'Diverting attention' is a bit harsh, especially after you chose to start with something entirely different then the main wagon of the moment, no?

I started by placing a vote on Luca, but off you go.

[Datisi]

(for some reason the quotes are messed up in the spoiler, but it should be readable either way)

(you need to delete "[/spoiler]" in my post where I was marking things in red)

[Datisi]

792. I started off by commenting on Luca and putting a vote there.

[Datisi]

'Diverting attention' is a bit harsh, especially after you chose to start with something entirely different then the main wagon of the moment, no?

I started by placing a vote on Luca, but off you go.

?

Then I must be misunderstanding this post?

[Datisi]

@Luca
That is true. However,
1) your ISO analysis made it sound like "everything's still a work in progrss", "it's a slight SL" etc. I was risking being called defensive.
2) I wanted to wait for more material from you to either make my suspicion of you go away or to help me realize how to explain why I think you're suspicious.

Yes, that's my point.

Btw, you say you checked my scum game (where I was ignoring the SR's on me). Have you checked my Town games? Game theory chat and passive questioning is well within my Town game.

[Datisi]

@Luca
That is true. However,
1) your ISO analysis made it sound like "everything's still a work in progrss", "it's a slight SL" etc. I was risking being called defensive.
2) I wanted to wait for more material from you to either make my suspicion of you go away or to help me realize how to explain why I think you're suspicious.

Yes, that's my point.

Btw, you say you checked my scum game (where I was ignoring the SR's on me). Have you checked my Town games? Game theory chat and passive questioning is well within my Town game.

I can see your point, although, as I said previously, it was more the ‘Luca isn’t pinging me as scum’ posts etc that pinged me in relation to your later revelation. It felt at the time like you just plucked that read out of thin air in desperation.

Is this the main reason you now think I’m scum, or is it still due to the ‘fakeness’? And how confident are you on your read?

And you feel like scum!Datisi saw you as the easiest target to attack?

I still feel like your posts have an unatural fabricated feel to them that I can't explain. The "double standard" isn't the main reason, but it is contributing. And the fact how you seem almost... obsessed with me? You kept insisting that A50 explain his TR on me, it made me feel like you were just waiting for him to say something less vague just so you can debunk it.

I'm not really confident, because this whole game is still a mess for me, but if I could choose a D1 lynch, I'd prefer it to be you.

Datisi how are you reading Ali? Put it in a vacuum, pretend you are conftown cop cleared and have to Judge Ali here and now.

Reading them as either Town who spotted the same things I saw in Luca or scum who is playing some convoluted long con. Heavily leaning towards them being Town here. It would've been very easy for scum!Ali to jump on my wagon there.

[Datisi]

I agree that her Luca case was weak at the time she voted, but I'm having trouble seeing a scum motivation here.

You're voting Luca right now though. Is it just because of his vote on me? Did your view of him change after he explain how he got to voting me?

[Datisi]

Even better, drawing attention to myself with a poor SR that I keep claiming I don't know how to explain. Outstanding move for scum indeed.

And did him saying he shares my thoughts satisfy you?

[Datisi]

Datisi, how pressured did you feel to make a readslist after I called you out?

Mostly felt annoyed that you were calling me out to do stuff when I still felt like I had no idea what was going on and knew that I won't be able to explain my thoughts properly.
I didn't feel pressured honestly. We've bickered before, and you don't scare me.

[Datisi]

@Luca
I recall you mentioning somewhere that you also felt it was natural to vote for your SR once the wagon on them started building up?

[Datisi]

It feels more natural for Town to vote right away. Your biggest SR just made an awful case on why you're scum? You vote first, ask questions later.

[Datisi]

This was on page 6:

Slight preference to vote for Tchill over Luca, but neither are pinging me as scum yet.

So I wasn’t pinging her as scum and she preferred to Lynch Tchill, yet now she is saying I’ve been giving her bad vibes and she was waiting to see if I would change....

doesn’t quite add up

.

I realize that "devoid of life" was a wrong way to put it, and I apologize if I did come across as too harsh.

Spoiler: marked in red

I’m very busy this weekend but will try and catch-up every now and then.

Catching up presently.

Just reading up now...

As of the start of page 7, I'm feeling pretty good about Flippy, Klick and Billy. Iconeum seemed Townie based on his start,

but I may have to revisit that slot at some point

, Tchill's contribution at the end of page 6 seems decent.

Klick's 151 is either townie or confident scum work. I'm leaning towards the former atm.

Tchili mid page 8 is either showing genuine Townie emotion or is a skilled scum player - it reminds me of my own frustration in past games.

Just skimmed the last couple of pages - gonna get myself more comfortable for some deeper reading. Right now I'm not really scumreading any of the active players, which is pretty rare for me.

The only one that falls slightly below the null line is probably Datisi based on her content, or lack thereof. Hopefully we get some replacements in soon.

Gonna read back again now.

I also agree with the 'trying to look Town' bit regarding the topic of whether we should use the full day or cut it short.

Also, as a side point, I never understand why, as a Townie, you would tell scum what you're looking out for (in this case, specifically the interactions between possible scum partners). This isn't necessarily AI in of itself as I see this kind of thing all the time, but it's just something I feel is counter-productive.

Looking over Datisi's ISO - it's full of game theory chat and passive questioning - this is where my slightly below null read originates from. The only real point of interest is 99 - Would scum do such a 'test'? Looking back at it, it felt a bit unnecessary of Datisi because Billy's answer to Klick's original question already provided the 'townslip'. I think I'm leaning towards this being an act from scum who are at a loss of what to do, so choose to do something that appears to be useful Town work, with the additional benefit of getting a Townie onside (which, if this scenario is accurate, would have been successful given Pilgrims TR of Datisi).

This is still very much a work in progress,

but my reads are something like this at the moment:

Tchill
Klick
Pilgrim, Icon, Flippy,
Datisi

Incidentally, Flippy's reaction to the same incident looked pretty genuine, which is why I've put him around the null level. I actually dislike such tests as it causes me to doubt myself; such reactions can look so effective, yet be so easily faked by a good player

So far getting positive vibes from Icon, Klick and Pilgrim. Somewhat negative vibe from Datisi.

care to expand a little bit with specifics? Cuz I honestly had no vibes at all from any of the posts I read so far (posts before this one I'm quoting)

I expanded on the Pilgrim vibes in 57. I felt positively about Icon early on mainly due to the fact he seemed to be posting without thinking too much

(I’m aware some players can do this as scum, but it’s a half-decent starting point)

. The vibes about Klick were mainly due to the ‘drunken’ posting.

Again, this could be a clever scum move but I felt it was more likely to come from a Townie.

Looking after my kid at the moment so hard for me to fully check back,

but I think I’ve covered most of the above already. I had a very slight townread on you based on the opening. By the time I made my catch-up post you hadn’t posted for like three days, nor had your ‘serious’ work at that point done much to give me a read on you either way, so I had you as null. Recently I’ve agreed with your points of view on Nippy (or rather you agreed with mine) and on Klick, plus I’ve seen some positive game advancing work from you, so I have you as a town-lean. I haven’t Iso’d you yet but that’s where i currently stand. The rest of your questions I believe I’ve covered already if you look back.

I've marked in red the parts that are pinging me. It simply seems as if he's trying to position himself in a "town-leadrer, voice of reason" position and to appear much more busy/credible than he is. Also note that these posts came after I nulled Luca.

pedit: as I said, I was willing to give him more time. I'm still not certain in this, but you've forced me to out my thoughts, so whatever.

pedit2: Billy and Emperor had single posts that pinged me more, and I was willing to jump on those to see what they mean. Luca has been slowly pinging me across the game.

It feels here like you’ve just zoomed in on the least important parts of my posts and disregarded all the necessary stuff. Do you have anything to say about the actual content of my work?

The 224 and 325 examples are particularly laughable for how you ignore all the actual information and highlight the only part that fits your narrative.

---

And as I’ve said a hundred times, the conviction came after i had digested what had happened, not before.

Both of these posts happened after I laid out my case but before you voted for me. So i was your strangest SR (I was at the bottom of your list), I made a case on you which you call out as "not adding up" and "laughable".

But you weren't convinced enough to vote me?

[Datisi]

strongest* SR. You get my point.

[Datisi]

You want to save your analysis until you have time to do it properly, just like I did, so surely you can relate to my situation after all.

If this ain't the most pockety bullshit I've ever seen

[Datisi]

792 855 901 925
Luca's posts are either quoted or very close to mine

[Datisi]

Iirc Billy actually misunderstood one of my posts and was later corrected. Plus he started SRing Luca himself

[Datisi]

They are coincidentally the only ones that I (as of now) got stronger pings from. I still feel very much lost in this game.

Also what do you mean by Billy and Luca?

[Datisi]

Oh, I thought you were talking about me SR Icon.

When did I push Billy? I've been consistently TRing him this game.

[Datisi]

@Luca
What information would my lynch provide? Whoever's on my wagon is gonna hide behind "but her reasoning for Luca was shit".

@Icon
I don't think that was the first time in this game someone said they thought another's post was good. If I were too call out that every time it happened, half the game would be buddying. I can see a difference between "this is a good post" and "oh look we are in the same situation i can relate you can see why i did what i did right???"

Also, you keep saying how I have the most scum equity and how I need to be the Day 1 lynch. Why the hell do you unvote me, when my wagon is just getting momentum again, and vote Ali, who has no votes on them?

[Datisi]

@Tchill, you never answered 988

@Klick, where are you at now?

[Datisi]

Spoiler:

[Datisi]

Could it be I'm genuinly doubting what do you with you, and am willing to look/push elsewhere today?

Then if you think that I could be Town, wouldn't you point out which posts made you think so/the thought process behind it?

[Datisi]

And because I don't think scumbuddy Ali comes in protecting scumbuddy Datisi like that, I'm having serious doubts about Datisi and would rather pressure Ali at this point.

Agh, I don't know about this.

You say you don't think the team is Ali/Datisi. Fine. But this makes is seem like you want to push Ali today, and if they flip Town, go "oh well Datisi was scum all along lol". Because I have a feeling lynching Ali today then me tomorrow is gonna require much less scum effort than the other way around.

[Datisi]

Kop. Can't say this read isn't shallow, right?

Kop had a whooping total of 2 posts at the time, and others had allready called them out for it. There really wasn't much I could've added that wouldn't be repeating from before.

But why don't you feel the same way about Ali pushing Luca, and if that flips town he'd pressure me next? Same thing.

Because you weren't the default lynch for today. If Luca flipped Town today, sure Ali would go after you, but how many would actually be willing to follow?
While a lot have already expressed that they want me dead, and if Ali flipped Town today (hell, even if they flipped scum) tell me I wouldn't be the default lynch again tomorrow.

You say you don't think the team is Ali/Datisi. Fine. But this makes is seem like you want to push Ali today

The more this game develops, the more I see an Alisae with a gameplan. I don't have that with you. I'm afraid I've been pushing a lost townie into making 'bad' posts and then scumreading them for it.

Ali however is just bullying Luca into a lynch at this point, and I really don't like how he's going about it. So yeah i'd much rather push there right now.

Okay, let's say Ali flips today. Then what happens tomorrow?

[Datisi]

That's the thing.

If we lynch Datisi today, you either flip town or scum.

If you are scum, then I would go after Ali today for the way he protected you.

If you flip town, I'd still go after Ali for the way he protected you and the unfounded case on Luca so I guess that's why I switched votes

I thought you didn't think we were buddies?

And once again, you scumread me but why would I, as scum, be sticking my neck out like this going against a powerplayer when I could take the expected path and tunnel you to death without drawing unnecesarry attention to myself?

I'm not sure if you even can deathtunnel me at this point. I'm trying to figure out what's happening.

[Datisi]

Let me ask you this then, Datisi.

If you get the Luca lynch today, what happens tomorrow?

If he's scum, we scramble around and continue yelling at each other until we figure something out.
If he's Town, I'm powerlynched.

I'm trying to figure out what's happening.

Do you feel I'm working an agenda or am I doing the same thing?

At this point I'm starting to think your actions are too illogical/inconsistent to have an agenda behind them. But I don't know if scum!Icon's able to fake that.

[Datisi]

The ability to say "scum!me wouldn't do that". Also you try to get rid of the more aggressive player against you while you keep the one you can potentially talk into following you alive.

[Datisi]

WIFOM that all you want, you know it's true.

HOW do I know that? I've never played with scum!Icon.

[Datisi]

Holy hell I'm trying to read you. If that's how you react to a legitimate question then fucking hell.

[Datisi]

WIFOM that all you want, you know it's true.

HOW do I know that? I've never played with scum!Icon.

[Datisi]

If I wasn't consindering town!Icon here, we wouldn't have even been having this conversation.

[Datisi]

If I wasn't consindering town!Icon here, we wouldn't have even been having this conversation.

I really hope we are both town and look back at this post-game and go all like 'we did it again'

Hey, you were my biggest TR in 1945!

Wanna talk about my Ali case?

You mean 1032?
To be honest, going through that post, reading Ali's comments and then reading back to Luca's posts, it's just reminded me why I thought he was scum in the first place. His posts still feel fabricated and manipulative in a way that you "want" to agree with them.
I still don't see scum!Ali's motivation here.

Btw, you said that scum!Icon would just NK Ali instead of going against them during the day. What would scum!Icon do if Town!Ali was attacking scum!Luca?

[Datisi]

Btw, you said that scum!Icon would just NK Ali instead of going against them during the day. What would scum!Icon do if Town!Ali was attacking scum!Luca?

Hard push the already existing counterwagon (Datisi) and try to get that through before more damage to Luca can be done

then attempt to NK Alisae and take control of the gamestate so Luca is maybe saved D2

Hnnnnng I'm getting a Townlean on you. With the amount of players in my Town pile there's probably at least one scum there. Oh how I hate this feeling.

To be honest, going through that post, reading Ali's comments and then reading back to Luca's posts, it's just reminded me why I thought he was scum in the first place. His posts still feel fabricated and manipulative in a way that you "want" to agree with them.I still don't see scum!Ali's motivation here.

Ok if that's your actual point of view on Luca that's fine. You also like Ali's progression towards scumreading Luca?

Yes, I don't see anything wrong with it. 565 felt like a jokey post that I didn't take seriously. If they saw the same thing within Luca's posts that I did, I don't see any issues.

I admit it's still theoretically possible this is scum!Ali pocketing, but right now I don't think that's the case.

[Datisi]

I admit it's still theoretically possible this is scum!Ali pocketing, but right now I don't think that's the case.

Have you read/skimmed that longest newbie game?

Dear god, no.

[Datisi]

Hm, I'm not saying it's impossible. But I'm not convinced.

[Datisi]

what
the fuck
is this game

[Datisi]

Icon jesus christ why are you like this

[Datisi]

Icon jesus christ why are you like this

i get a response like this for claiming something but Ali gets to go around shitting on people and that's ok to you?

becuase you claiming cop there makes no fucking sense?? as either alignment??? it just doesnt???? you know we wouldn't hang you while you were VLA so like? why?

[Datisi]

you know we wouldn't hang you while you were VLA so like? why?

i'm 90% sure you actually would, because deadline

I'd feel like you know how against I am lynching people that aren't here.
Especially since I'm the fucking compromise lynch over you like 900% of the time.

Icon jesus christ why are you like this

ignore it, you'll just get a headache

Too late

[Datisi]

If you wanna bully your way through the lynches, you'll have to deal with me first. If you have an actual scumread on Luca, that's fine.

Datisi is also pushing there and I've come to terms for her reasoning

. I have not done so with yours and have dedicated a larger post as to the why.

Didn't you say that Ali had more reasons of pushing Luca than I did? How come you're now fine with my view on his posts? Or does this mean it's a sorta agree-to-disagree thing?

[Datisi]

To be honest, going through that post, reading Ali's comments and then reading back to Luca's posts, it's just reminded me why I thought he was scum in the first place. His posts still feel fabricated and manipulative in a way that you "want" to agree with them.I still don't see scum!Ali's motivation here.

Ok if that's your actual point of view on Luca that's fine

. You also like Ali's progression towards scumreading Luca?

This is me accepting you can genuinly feel what you are seeing.

I seriously doubt I ever mentioned Ali having good or better reasons for voting Luca, I've been pretty adamant about my opinion that Ali's case is based on thin air.

Guess I misunderstood you saying "come to terms". I just felt that mine and Ali's reasons are kinda close, so I didn't get why accept mine but not theirs.

Also I have a faint memory of someone saying something along the lines of "Ali explained their reads while Datisi gave shit vague explanations", but at this point I have no idea if that actually happened and who said it if it did.

[Datisi]

I’m starting to get the feeling that Datisi might be Town after all

, and that at least one scum is sitting in the quieter half of the Town. I’m particularly looking at Flippy who has been conspicuous only by his absence since Alisae began her tunnel on me. I’m becoming paranoid that I might have been wrong about Tchill as well. I’m feeling almost resigned to the fact that I’m going to be today’s Lynch given how it’s shaping up, but I’m gonna try and leave some decent reads behind anyway.

Can you give reasons for this?

@Luca
What information would my lynch provide? Whoever's on my wagon is gonna hide behind "but her reasoning for Luca was shit".

Also can you answer this, please

[Datisi]

Okay.
So if I flipped VT, what would you take away from that?
If I flipped Mafia, what would you take away from that?

[Datisi]

Wait shit, did Luca townslip?
ohhhh how this game hurts me,,,

[Datisi]

Okay.
So if I flipped VT, what would you take away from that?
If I flipped Mafia, what would you take away from that?

This really is a case of ‘i’ll cross that bridge when I come to it’. I think it’s fairly obvious that information could be gleaned from either one of our lynches, regardless of the outcome.

This reply isn't sitting well with me though. As if you're afraid to actually say what you're thinking becuase someone might disagree.

[Datisi]

Okay, fine, but your posts can also be taken as "Datisi's lynch, whatever she flips, would provide us lots of information. I won't state that information now. But it definitely would. Also she's already claimed so lynch her please."

[Datisi]

What do you mean?

[Datisi]

Okay, fine, but your posts can also be taken as "Datisi's lynch, whatever she flips, would provide us lots of information. I won't state that information now. But it definitely would. Also she's already claimed so lynch her please."

I’ve already stated that standard D1 play would be to Lynch you here. I also just said I now think you might be Town, so that is a very strange way to take that post.

Is it really? Because judging by your view of standard play and that fact you're still voting me, it doesn't seem like you're that opposed to my lynch.

given how major your wagon was, your flip regardless of what it is will have an impact on the game.
A town flip makes me want to kill Luca more
a scumflip makes me re-evaluate practically everything but from Luca's POV, wanting to lynch me as soon as you flip scum isn't unreasonable

I wasn't saying he was wrong. I just wanted to hear him say what info would he take away from that.

[Datisi]

Mhm, I'm starting to reconsider it too. Especially since I've noticed something that is either 9000 IQ scum!Luca play or genuine Town. Or maybe I'm just being an idiot.

I'm trying to think who would leave the Town in the best shape going into D2. Not sure though.

pedit:
@Ali - fair enough, I just thought it was odd.
@Luca - I'm not afraid of getting quickhammered, I'm just on the lookout of your actions not matching your words.

[Datisi]

Didn't alarm you at all datisi and icon voted together after pushing each other? That wasn't odd at all?

@peanut gallery, specificly Klick
Does this bother you at all?
I'm not sure if I'm overeacting but the insistance of pushing this is
bothering me?

I'm not sure what to think of it because I feel like this is something scum pushes but I could definitely see this being posted by town!tchill

It's due to the timing. Specifically because datisi was in danger of being lynched. Then votes with the person that pushed her. Votes an inactive slot and

pushes for the inactive to be lynched before a replaceme in.

Yes I very much believe datisi is scum. I'd also love to hear how there's no scum motivation in that breakdown.

I'm sorry, what? I can't deny that I voted Kop, because I obviously did, but I put him up to L-2. I even announced it. It wasn't a push for his lynch.

If you're looking at who was "pushing for an inactive slot's lynch", Billy is closer to that (he put him to L-1). I'm not saying Billy

was

pushing for that lynch, because he obviously wasn't, but I find it interesting how you say that I'm the one to do that.

[Datisi]

Then the fuck is putting someone at L-1?

[Datisi]

Then the fuck is putting someone at L-1?

It's pushing a lynch.

And pushing a lynch on an inactive slot is scummy as shit, right?

Why aren't you down Billy's throat about it then? I don't think you even mentioned it.

[Datisi]

At this point I don't think Luca's the correct lynch, at least not today.

VOTE: Emperor
You unvoted me, said you'd go through sorting Luca, now you come and say you've done nothing but "you're down for my lynch if people are still feeling that."
Yeah right.

[Datisi]

Did you see the actual reasons Ali provided for Luca? I cannot believe you townread those. I can understand you townreading your white knight, but not for the reasons Ali specified (THIS IS SCUM, LYYYYYYYNCH, BRUUUUH).

For those that you mentioned, I still felt as if they were close to mine, i.e. having a ping about his post but not putting it into words.
Besides, I do think Ali's explained their SR on some of Luca's posts (surface-level analysis, no new thoughts, repeating the same things over and over)

[Datisi]

does that ever happen on scum?

Didn't my wagon go from 1 vote to L-1 in under a page?

[Datisi]

does that ever happen on scum?

Didn't my wagon go from 1 vote to L-1 in under a page?

oh god Datisi is town

you seem surprised

[Datisi]

I think it's a really interesting wagon on Nippleflips. There were 2 sides forming this game and now both sides are converging onto Nippleflips.

What does everyone make of this?

I think that the 'big fight' has a lot of town value in it if Nipples flips scum

People on Datisi wagon - Tchill, Emperor, Luca, Icon
People on Emperor wagon - Luca, Datisi, Icon, Klick, Ali (intent)

If Emperor's scum I'd look at Tchill
If he's Town then me, Ali and Klick
If both me and Emperor Town then Icon and Luca

[Datisi]

Because I'd think he'd be voting against you?
Also I didn't say that, that's who I'd look based on D1 wagons

[Datisi]

Shoot luca or datisi flippy
Those shots will both give plenty of info

So who gets lynched then?

[Datisi]

VOTE: klick

I think I got a nice TR on datisi as well.

I reread the entire game. It definitely changed some things.

I... am confused.

[Datisi]

Icon earlier with me you did assume that most of the player base would kill Ali.Why risk that when we had several low content slots to sort? LUV and A50, hell even klick.

In hindsight it's a bad call on my part

With Ali pushing strong against Luca and me, and me having claimed cop, I thought there was a decent chance Ali would be alive.
The benefit would be to have confirmation of what is the loudest and most interesting slot in this game.

Imagine a D2 where both Datisi and Ali are alive?

There's also something of an ease of mind that I could come into D2 and just know what's up with Ali.

Did you think about "checking" me, Icon? Because it was infinitely more likely that Ali was gonna eat the NK than that I was.

[Datisi]

Sorry about my silence, I'm having a hard time figuring out this game and who to trust.

@Icon, if you haven't gone for the weekend yet, can you tell me exactly what your role does?

[Datisi]

I mean, what does Loyal mean?

[Datisi]

Why the hell wouldn't you crumb with a LOYAL role.

Seriously dude I don't understand. Crumbing is "beneath" you but fake claiming cop d1 isn't?

What a destructive mindset to try and eat the nk while investigating Ali. That doesn't even MAKE SENSE.

Especially considering you could crumb your invest,

if you die because of your loyal modifier

scum simply can't avoid being outed.

If you die and there's only one death town have to take into consideration that you were the scum nk even if they find your crumb.

So both scenarios leave town with more to work with than "ah screw it if Ali is scum town will never find out anyway

because I'll either die to my modifier

or be night killed"

In no way shape or form can you POSSIBLY even think you're going to help us with that plan.

What you've provided isn't a plan to help town. It's an excuse to cover up that you're scum.

Unless I missed something?

And is there any reason you wouldn't try to correct Tchill when he mixed up Loyal and Weak modifiers, "Town Loyal Mailman"?

[Datisi]

You made a post 4 minutes before and 2 minutes after 1493. Not buying that.
VOTE: Icon

[Datisi]

Mhm. A nice way to initiate a 1v1 tomorrow. At LyLo.

[Datisi]

If your target dies you won't be confirmed
If you die your target won't be confirmed
If you both live you two can be buddies

[Datisi]

Aaaaagh, I'm so annoyed at you not seeing that in the post, I honestly fucking think town!Icon would've seen that.

But there probably is a strategy we could think of today regarding your NA, but in that case I'm back to square one because I'm still fucking lost

[Datisi]

Yeah, but scum!Icon wouldn't even be thinking about that, since he's not a Loyal Mailman anyway
That's the way I'm looking at it

[Datisi]

Yeah, I know, but that's sorta why it caught my eye. His next post was basically "okay kill me", which, the whole situation I find odd.

While I'm starting to come around to town!Luca, I'm still slightly paranoid. I want to believe Tchill is Town but I'm paranoid of a possible deepwolf. LUV and A50 I need more content from today. Klick kinda seems okay-ish, but in a way that would be sorta easy to fake is he were scum in this gamestate?

[Datisi]

I am scared to death because the only player I was semi-sure in calling a TR ended up being the NK!

I don't know what's going on in this fucking game is my main point.

[Datisi]

I realize I didn't format the post well. From TL to SL, it would go Tchill-Luca-A50-LUV-Klick with Icon somewhere in the middle because I still wanna try to figure out if there's any worth in his NA.

I didn't say conf, I said semi-sure.

I do not think you're scum rn. I'm just saying that in this game, I am way less certain in both my SRs and my TRs.

[Datisi]

UNVOTE:
Unless there's some really convincing arguments, I'm against the massclaim today

Tchill, why is Klick your TR now?

[Datisi]

Yeah, fair enough. I'll reread D2 tomorrow and try to get something out of it.

Well Alisae probably wasn't correct about everything.

I have more to judge when it comes to Luca. I thought my reasoning behind town Luca was fine.

I'm not gonna 100 percent blindly follow Ali but I'm not gonna ignore her altogether also.

Were you TRing or SRing Luca at the time of this post?

[Datisi]

Icon can't even clear people. He's not an investigative. If he can I'm missing that point entirely.

And if someone says icon can find scum based on someone's inability to read his note...

That means I have to TRUST icon. A player that fake claimed for no reason other than to manipulate Alisae, ONE PLAYER, early...

I have absolutely no reason to trust icon.

Btw, how is "hey, I told X to say this phrase at daystart and they didn't so they're scum" different than "I investigated X and they're scum"? In either case you'd have to trust Icon.

[Datisi]

the asshole part of me wants to quickhammer this now

even though it's a terrible idea

but the thought is entertaining

[Datisi]

If we let Icon live now:
> he sends a message to the person who dies. We're in the same situation as today.
> he sends a message to X, who doesn't read it. X and Icon get into a 1v1.
> he sends a message to Y, who does read it. Icon and Y are confirmed to be of the same alignment.
---

@Klick, why are you so in favor of a massclaim if you want to lynch Icon today anyway?

---

We let LUV and datisi interact a bit more. Then I'll get to my proposition.

I'm trying to give time to let other people participate but...

Why are you voting then? And you're okay with calling for the hammer?

[Datisi]

And is it worth outing a possible (maybe only) protective for that?

Who do you go after if not Icon, Klick?

[Datisi]

Klick/LUV/A50.

I was most willing to trust you and Tchill, but since you're starting to point fingers, I don't even know how I feel about that anymore.

I'm trying to think of ways that scum could benefit from a mass claim, in terms of claiming a PR. And it's making me wary, since Klick seems to be pushing a massclaim.

[Datisi]

I was about to type out that I don't see scum motivation in A50 TRing everyone, but he did jump onto that Icon wagon in under 5 minutes...

Well, all depends on what roles are claimed and who claims them I guess.

Another risk in keeping Icon alive is a possible Mafia RB. It could force a Town!Icon and another Town member into a 1v1 in LyLo...

pedit: not if Mafia's come up with a plan. They probably know approx how many PR's there are based on their own roles.

[Datisi]

You do not get a PM if you're Roleblocked. At least you do not in Newbie games (which is where the majority of my experience stems from), but I highly doubt it's different here.

[Datisi]

Yeah, I've been toying with the idea of scum having a RB. I think it would make sense with a Town Loyal Mailman.

In the middle of Day 1, it was screaming scum. But at this point, so much of his ISO is muddied with talks about his claim that I can't tell anymore.

[Datisi]

If I knew you were Town, wouldn't mean your reads are correct. Besides, right now I'm sorta working under the assumption you are Town.

I couldn't see either Town or Scum motivation in claiming where he did, in fact I still don't see it.

I don't know. I've already said how the first time he started to question me felt off (but we've been over this already).

[Datisi]

For what it's worth, I think LUV should go before Tchill

[Datisi]

Luca, I think you've mentioned everyone in 1727? Who would you put as Tchill's partner?

[Datisi]

Icon what was the point of 1731?

[Datisi]

VOTE: LUV

Spoiler:

[Datisi]

Not much I don't think? But with Klick mostly focusing on Icon and me not being that active, it's not that weird.

[Datisi]

Have you just decided to prioritize other things than point that out? Have you thought so little about him that the idea of scum reading him to you just isn't there?

What do you mean by this?

[Datisi]

i'm not sure I see it that good content?

You started off the Day with Klick as your top SR. (1418) By 1487 you were already agreeing with him ("hell yeah klick") At 1600 you yorself say that the ONLY thing Klick has done is push Icon and a massclaim. (Which correct me if I'm wrong on, but it feels as if you commented on it in a negative light?)

By 1628 Klick has obtained a TR from you. When I asked you why, you replied in 1664 that:
1) his strongest SR's (A50/Luca/Icon) are something you'd agree with,
2) the fact he's pushing Icon is a sign he's Town, because "Mafia's best bet is to have Icon in LyLo".

In 1714 you lock both Luca and Icon as Town. Does that change the view of Klick at all?

I agree with the fact that the only thing he's done Day 2 is push Icon. But I don't see it as a exclusively Townie thing to do? Besides, if what you're saying (about Icon getting lynched Day 3) is right, and in case the team is Klick/LUV, we're pretty much screwed.

[Datisi]

I guess my post came off as more of a rant
But I do want you to answer the two questions I've posed

[Datisi]

@Tchill

i'm not sure I see it that good content?

You started off the Day with Klick as your top SR. (1418) By 1487 you were already agreeing with him ("hell yeah klick") At 1600 you yorself say that the ONLY thing Klick has done is push Icon and a massclaim. (

Which correct me if I'm wrong on, but it feels as if you commented on it in a negative light?

)

By 1628 Klick has obtained a TR from you. When I asked you why, you replied in 1664 that:
1) his strongest SR's (A50/Luca/Icon) are something you'd agree with,
2) the fact he's pushing Icon is a sign he's Town, because "Mafia's best bet is to have Icon in LyLo".

In 1714 you lock both Luca and Icon as Town.

Does that change the view of Klick at all?

I agree with the fact that the only thing he's done Day 2 is push Icon. But I don't see it as a exclusively Townie thing to do? Besides, if what you're saying (about Icon getting lynched Day 3) is right, and in case the team is Klick/LUV, we're pretty much screwed.

I guess my post came off as more of a rant
But I do want you to answer the two questions I've posed

Also I'd be down with that, but at this point idk if anyone's gonna rep into that slot.

[Datisi]

I still am very much confused, becuase A50/LUV feels to easy.

{Icon}
{Luca, Tchill}
{Klick}
{A50, LUV}

Is there a point discussing Icon's night action now, or are we gonna get to voting?

[Datisi]

@Luca: Tbh, not sure if I have a preference. LUV seems to be putting a smidge of effort more in than A50, so I'd say A50?
VOTE: A50 L-2 I think

@Icon: I'm trying to think of a way to be able to know if the person you send it to got your message even if you die. (And I think that is likely, since you're probably the only PR?)

[Datisi]

Nope. You wanna actually help out the Town in deciding what the message should be?

[Datisi]

it's still gonna be difficult to prove anything if i die tho

Yeah, that's why I'm trying to figure out if there is a way

[Datisi]

I haven't. I'm out of the house right now, it'd be a bit tricky to pull that from Day 1 on phone, I'll post it in some 30-45 mins. Has to do with what I thought was his townslip.

[Datisi]

Oh, and UNVOTE:

[Datisi]

This is the post that I thought was a VT slip. At the time where both my and Luca's wagons seemed like a possible lynch.

@ Datisi: I’ve only skimmed the recent pages, but it’s just a feeling I got from your interaction with Icon. I will try and review it later.

You’re a player that has divided opinion, therefore it would naturally be an informative Lynch. Mine would be also for the same reason, but the difference is that you have claimed VT and I haven’t

(claimed VT)

, and I feel like I’ve done nothing to warrant being lynched on D1, but then perhaps I’m biased on that.

If this truly was a slip or not is less important now, since I don't think Luca's scum. But would be nice if I were right on that.

[Datisi]

No because I don’t think that’s why they were killed. This wasn’t an obvious night kill so scum either killed them because they thought they were PR,

to protect a partner, or to frame a townie. Alisae was playing really aggressive and loudly for scum to think she was a PR so I’m much more confident in the last two.

Yeah, sure, lemme just reread parts of D2 real quick. Can I ask you the same (if you ever gave a read on me) and to explain this?

[Datisi]

Okay. My new readslis looks like this:
{Icon}
{Tchill, Luca}
{LUV, A50}
{Klick}

I'll skip the explanations of the top 3.

Klick

- One thing that pings the fuck out of me with Klick:

I kinda want to lynch Datisi today.

Why? You were so confident in A50/Datisi. From Town!Klick pov, what does it matter which one of us gets lynched first? In 1820 you said it doesn't feel right. In 1823 you're already back on the A50/Datisi train. But why not lynch A50, when others have already said they're willing to do so?

Because there's a chance I'll get confirmed tonight. And I'm (pretty much) the only person here who's not TRing you. So what's the play? Get rid of me

now

.

Pretty much everyone's agreed to bet the game that there's at least one scum in A50/LUV. Why not go through lynching them first then?

A50

- done pretty much nothing, and that wolfy hop-on on Icon.

LUV

- feeling like his posts are overly wordy while they don't say much. I also have no idea what your reads are in Day 2?

Why guess is Klick/(A50 or LUV).
VOTE: Klick

[Datisi]

1823 doesn't do anything to express I'm 'back on the A50/Datisi train'. Show me where you got that impression.

I'm going back to the eternal question: what scumteam actually decides to kill Alisae over Icon last night?

Knowing what we know now, scum probably don't have much power themselves

considering all we have is Loyal Mailman.

They could probably reasonably assume town didn't have much power. I don't think the immediate assumption is that we have a protective with a Cop claim.

Datisi/A50 both noticed and reacted to the claim. Luca claims to have noticed but didn't give any indication of that until D2 (but tbf I do think he noticed - I think he's the type to have read through the whole thread as either alignment). LUV didn't acknowledge the claim yesterday. Tchill actively claims to have not seen it.
But then Alisae's strong townreads were

Tchill/LUV/myself. I really don't think they choose to kill her.

You said you don't think it's Tchill/LUV/you, and Icon's referred to as what he claims. That leaves me, A50 and Luca.

But why not lynch A50, when others have already said they're willing to do so?

Because I'm starting to think he could be town.

People wanna lynch him, mind explaining why?

Pretty much everyone's agreed to bet the game that there's at least one scum in A50/LUV. Why not go through lynching them first then?

Way to shift the goalpost - I don't think anyone has specifically agreed to that. I'm here to lynch scum regardless of how active/helpful anyone here is.

I'm also amused by the fact that you throw this out and then immediately go against it by voting me.

By my readslist and what I wrote I think to be the team, I thought it was obvious that this was a rhetorical question.

[Datisi]

Honestly team is probs luca/luv

This was the last post in which Alisae gave reads. Does it make you rethink your LUV read?

If A50 (or his slot ) end up being lynched today, and he flips Town, who are your next suspects? Datisi/Luca?

[Datisi]

How much of your TR on that slot is Billy's play vs LUV's play?

[Datisi]

(finally caught you??)

You really did not.

Quick word from me, as I'm gonna be a bit busy today

From my pov, it's either:
1) the scumteam is exaclty LUV/A50 - possible, but how likely
2) at least one Town is still fakeclaiming and Icon is scum - not even gonna consider this
3) Klick/Luca/Tchill are not all Town.

And from those three, I think Klick has the most potential to be it. What reasons exactly there to suddenly let both LUV and A50 live to LyLo? What in Turkey's play is Town indicative here?

pedit: Klick has also "cherry-picked" in that he didn't see where Ali said they think it's LUV/Luca (maybe he actually didn't see it, but I don't know). You can't exactly make that argument.

[Datisi]

Honestly team is probs luca/luv

This was the last post in which Alisae gave reads. Does it make you rethink your LUV read?

If A50 (or his slot ) end up being lynched today, and he flips Town, who are your next suspects? Datisi/Luca?

...a tiny bit, actually. I hadn't seen that.
My main reason for townreading LUV is Billy's play and I struggle to see myself changing my mind on that. But with that post in mind LUV seems to at least have motive to kill Alisae.

I'd almost certainly reevaluate tomorrow in that situation, but yes, that's probably where I'd initially lean.

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