BTE: Boon Wars - Revenge of the Jingle

[Shirobacca]

Our sig is "HGRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW!"

I wanted you all to know this

[Shirobacca]

VOTE: Palpatine

HAPPY scum day EVERYBIDY!! Let''s have a RALLY GOOD GAME!!!

[Shirobacca]

I MEAN REALLY!!

BY THE WAY we are TROWN!!

[Shirobacca]

I MEAN REALLY!!

BY THE WAY we are TROWN!!

Scum benefit from knowing who everyone is. So way to be useless if you are town:

VOTE: Shirobacca

This DOES NOT FEEL like how A WOLVE WOULD TALK to TROWN!!
Also WHAT are you REFERRRING TO?? THIS is just MY CHEWMBACCAC SPREAKING VOICE!!!

[Shirobacca]

KID ANDI is a TROWNLEAN!!!

[Shirobacca]

Pretty sure this game will get more exciting than mountainous in later game days.

Let's just play! VOTE: DEB is a scum read. Join me, everyone!

[Shirobacca]

PAMDE is SCUM IN MY HEART but TROWN IN MY BRAING!!

[Shirobacca]

MACE and OBI ARE ALSO TROWNREADS!!
BAEZDA is DISCOURGAING TROWN!!! VOTE: baezda

[Shirobacca]

HI I AM THE OTHER HEAD OF SHIROBACCA, I am ALSO DR WORM, but you should know I am NOT A REAL DOCTOR but I am a REAL WORM

Does the TROWN know that this game ends in 21 hours?!?!?

Here are some TROWN reads

FROZEN ELSA is TROWN x4
Bace Mens Do is TROWN x3 but I don't know why DEB is TROWN

BAEz Do is a complicated TROWN x2 but SCUM x1 so I guess you could say they are TROWN in my BRAIN but my heart is UNSURE

ORGANA is TROWNx1

Palpatine is MAYBE TROWN x1

ARIST is TROWN x1 but SCUM x1 so NULL and maybe SCUMLEAN

Padme is ??? x3

My other head thinks KI is TROWN and I am OK with that read but not as sure

I think DEB is MAYBE NOT TROWN x2

I have NO READ on anyone ELSA because the content in this game is BAD

PADME's suspicion of Nute seems okay if they are TROWN which they might be

if TROWN wanted to CFD I personally would go for DEB but I don't know if TROWN wants to do that since some of my TROWNREADS think DEB is TROWN

also is the TROWN aware that there is a player named ANNICAN BOONRUNNER that has TWO PLAYERS neither of which has made a SINGLE POST? That is not very TROWN

[Shirobacca]

Actually if NOOT is who I think they are then they MIGHT be TROWN

in which case PAMDEE'S OMGUS is actually maybe bad

[Shirobacca]

unless I lick you in the ass

Spoiler:

[Shirobacca]

VOTE: DEB

[Shirobacca]

Vote Count 3.04

The time is based off of California time, or -8:00, month first, then day.

Padme AlmostDala [5]:

Frozen Grievous, Obi-Someth Kenobi, Mace Binsdu, Nute Krazy, Ki-Adi-Joandi

Characellor Palpatine [2]:

Arist2D2, Darth TyTitus

Darth Easy Baker [2]:

RCEPO, Darth Easy Baker

Nute Krazy [2]:

Irrelph Organa, Padme Almostdala,

Baezda[1]:

Shirobacca

Darth Tytitus [1]:

Baezda,

Not Voting [2]:

Anniecan Boonrunner , Characellor Palpatine

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Mod Notes:

Boon Wars Hub thread for updates on the game!

Mass mass prodding. Post guys!!!!

There's almost certainly some scumfucks on the biggest wagon here, deadline was approaching and scum needed to pile on to something easy. Padme is basically cleared, this isn't the high info gamestate where town catches scum easily, so the biggest wagon is not on scum here.
DEB is self voting
Palpatine isn't voting
Baezda and Nute both have been encouraging fear/paranoia about identities getting outed, which is scummy because town just needs to fuckin

post

right now. It's not that hard, pick someone else each time you post to act like, and if that's too hard sometimes then sometimes you can pick yourself. But there's like no chance in my mind that scum get to auto kill everyone they figure out or something that strong - just play the game!

[Shirobacca]

There's almost certainly some scumfucks on the biggest wagon here, deadline was approaching and scum needed to pile on to something easy. Padme is basically cleared, this isn't the high info gamestate where town catches scum easily, so the biggest wagon is not on scum here.

Wow, I hate this!

If you can honestly towncase all of {Frozen Grievous, Obi-Someth Kenobi, Mace Binsdu, Nute Krazy, Ki-Adi-Joandi} I'll vote Padme
If you can't, then I'm right

[Shirobacca]

this is a pretty good Insomnia impression

[Shirobacca]

Padme is a bad lynch
If you think she's scum, get her D2. a Padme lynch gets us nothing but a probable townflip - no information, no good vca, nothing, nada, zilch.
VOTE: Nute

[Shirobacca]

I am insomnia.

just what insomnia would say

[Shirobacca]

I don't feel as strongly as Padme that Nute is scum but her hair is nice and if she's working this hard to pretend to be Insomnia then she's definitely not scum

[Shirobacca]

for real though Padme's wagon probably has more scum than {Padme}

[Shirobacca]

Nute, who on Padme's wagon is scum?

[Shirobacca]

I'll follow you, Nute, onto someone else on the wagon, if you pick someone who's not townier than you (there's at least one of these)

[Shirobacca]

Look at Padme's determined eyes and tell me the princess deserves to die
She's a good guy I feel it

[Shirobacca]

ITT we're sexist and vote out the ladies first

[Shirobacca]

Tyti Whyties who's the scum on the wagon?

pedit

[Shirobacca]

THIS IS GREAT

was this supposed to go in the scum pt or

Never lynching this guy, whoever he is.

[Shirobacca]

UNVOTE:
I now strongly townread Padme

this guy can be trown too

[Shirobacca]

His wagon is dissolving because deadline extended and we have time to figure out another lynch

[Shirobacca]

"you wagon feels like it's dissolving" when there was never really a scum case except personality clashes and scum opportunism is dumb

[Shirobacca]

I don't see this reaction coming from a town who's about to be mislynched ever

Just got out of a game where a scum used this to get people to townread them, it shouldn't be rewarded

I've seen town who's about to be mislynched throw a tantrum
Hell, I've BEEN town who's about to be mislynched and threw a tantrum

[Shirobacca]

Just because scum can tantrum doesn't mean only scum tantrum

[Shirobacca]

@Frozen how do you feel about Nute and about Darth Tie Fighter

[Shirobacca]

People should want you out of the game more now that you're neg. utility, you should be suspicious of the people townreading you if you're town @Padme, but okay

I get why you'd feel this but for all we know scum already got their benefit out of this
Besides I still don't think it's insomnia

[Shirobacca]

super weird

Yeah my bad I read the gamestate and votecount and gathered info from it, super weird

[Shirobacca]

Duh Padme isn't *literally conftown* that doesn't exist in mountainous
I don't want Padme lynched today because I think that's the least info lynch and isn't any more likely to hit scum than a randomized vig shot

[Shirobacca]

super weird

Yeah my bad I read the gamestate and votecount and gathered info from it, super weird

Well you have two people in the game who came to different conclusions, so yeah, super weird

explain again why 0 counterwagons all the way up to hours before the deadline is scum indicative?

[Shirobacca]

Oh I didn't notice vengeful either, nice

[Shirobacca]

Padme my HEART thinks Nute is scumfuck but my BRAIN says he's just annoying
Check Obi and other ISOs before deciding who to venge probably

[Shirobacca]

Oh actually I think I liked Obi for town at one point but not in like a "couldn't be scum" kinda way. There's some good scum players out there who might be in the Obi slot idk

[Shirobacca]

yeah I'm starting to think at most one scum on wagon if vengeful, huh

[Shirobacca]

Princess still town by play

[Shirobacca]

THIS IS GREAT

was this supposed to go in the scum pt or

This also is townpost 99% of the time, specially since he was realtiming and this was definitely just a thing he thought

I am the knightest of white knights, here to stop the mislynch you wanted ye

[Shirobacca]

Scumread me if I'm casually suggesting Padme is town and not working to save him, because then I'm just saving my own butt
Nullread me at worst for actively preventing the mislynch you were pushing, ty

[Shirobacca]

If this is insomnia it's not scum insomnia
If this isn't insomnia it's town

Nute who are you venging after we lynch you

[Shirobacca]

Shiro is scum

you trying to out my other head?

[Shirobacca]

Everyone realtiming is town except one
#hottakes

[Shirobacca]

Maybe we're all town come to think of it

[Shirobacca]

by the way my hydra partner and I write every other post so you can't figure us out

[Shirobacca]

no we don't why would you say that

[Shirobacca]

Shh they'll think this is theater no matter how obvious we get

[Shirobacca]

Everyone realtiming is town except one
#hottakes

Oh man what amazing timing. Thank you #timezones

Now that you mention it, I should go to bed, I've stayed up way too late for this

[Shirobacca]

I'll stay itt and cover for us both, goodnight zulfy!

[Shirobacca]

I'll stay itt and cover for us both, goodnight zulfy!

goodnight baezu

[Shirobacca]

depends on if you count pretending to be myself

[Shirobacca]

why did everyone leave the thread when I said the realtimers are town
it's actually kinda freaking me out

[Shirobacca]

If you lynch me, I'm policy venging Padme. I said that already. I'm also blacklisting the main. I still think the slot is scum, and we can't award people for flipping their shit regardless.

If you shut the fuck up, then I'll consider looking at whether someone else is scum.

yeah yeah you hate the insomnia impersonator personally for doing a great job we get it
who else is scum

[Shirobacca]

like he shut the fuck up for 10 minutes and you didn't say a word so I don't really believe THAT's your hangup

[Shirobacca]

anyway I actually have to go or I'm going to lose the US Pokémon Eastern Tournament Finals
cya

[Shirobacca]

Frozen is TROWN in my heart and my brain!

[Shirobacca]

Was that intended to be an unvote?
We could just lynch Frozen.

why are you proposing to lynch the most obvious TROWN in the entire game?

[Shirobacca]

FROZEN ELSAVIOUS is TORWN

TORNW RTOWN TTROW

don't you dare besmirch his name with your insinuations ! ! !

[Shirobacca]

VOTE: Darth
Impress me

Was this about Ty Titus? Do you TR them now or just scumread baezda more?

My partner doesn't really agree but I thought Tytus impersonation of Worm was pretty towny. Asked about the new read on Tytus since I was under the impression that we came to the same conclusion. This is right after the unvote.

When did TIGHT TIES impersonate ME??

[Shirobacca]

We are TRUSTING a NON-PLAYER to VENGE GOOD?? Seems DAGNEROUS!!!

[Shirobacca]

I will HAMMER SOON to PREVENT NO LYNCH!!!

NUKE and BAE'S DAD are SCUMMIER though IN MY HEART AND BRAIN!!

[Shirobacca]

I MEAN DANGEROUS!!

[Shirobacca]

VOTE: Characellor

[Shirobacca]

VOTE: deb

[Shirobacca]

I'm rpetty sure Boon's mod motto is "YES I WOULD DO THAT AS A MOD"

[Shirobacca]

hi hello gonna look at D1 wagons in a few minutes
tytitus is town for this page

[Shirobacca]

Vote Count 3.06

The time is based off of California time, or -8:00, month first, then day.

Characellor Palpatine [8]:

Arist2D2, Ki-Adi-Joandi, Nute Krazy, Mace Binsdu, Darth TyTitus, Irrelph Organa, Frozen Grievous, Shirobacca, ------

[EXECUTED]

Padme AlmostDala [2]:

Obi-Someth Kenobi, Padme Almostdala,

Darth Easy Baker [1]:

RCEPO,

Nute Krazy [1]:

Baezda,

Baezda [1]:

Darth Easy Baker,

Not Voting [2]:

Anniecan Boonrunner , Characellor Palpatine,

With

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8

to execute.

Day ends in (expired on 2019-07-15 20:00:00)

on

July 15th, 2019.

Mod Notes:

Boon Wars Hub thread for updates on the game!

arist2d2 probably town, same with ki adi, nute, mace, darth. Irrelph and Frozen are

Lots of talk about this wagon, let's do it VOTE: baezda

[Shirobacca]

I've thought baezda could be scum since d1. I don't really remember why but let's get him

[Shirobacca]

Can we get a *dab* VC *dab* please *dab*?

2.5 days. I don't think my RCEP0 wagon is going anywhere, and that's fair.

VOTE: Baezda

Sheeping a scumread is not ZEN, but I kind of want to see what happens in this last day or so like the Palps wagon kind of happened.

*your

yeet

I'm ROFL at the idea that this is davesaz trying to sound younger

[Shirobacca]

it could be argued that rcepo and grievous are scum together thus not voting eachother but it still doesnt look a good way for 2 scums to defend eachother.

This would normally be a reason that they're either both scum or both town but in a game with vengekills they could be s/t, with the scum avoiding the venge

[Shirobacca]

@mod

been a week since vc and ... has the replacement caught up?

Extension?

Otherwise we are once again to the 24 hour mark.

[Shirobacca]

Is that between fg and baez?

I'd like deb to get venged if town is hit today

Still think fg is TROWN

[Shirobacca]

I'd like deb to get venged if town is hit today

When did this happen

For the entire GRAEM?

[Shirobacca]

Probably because you are SCURM

[Shirobacca]

What exactly do you think ypu have done in this game to justify a reevaluation?

[Shirobacca]

Is that between fg and baez?

I'd like deb to get venged if town is hit today

Still think fg is TROWN

Why not venge Baezda?

also ok but that's more the other head's read

[Shirobacca]

FG was obvTROWN and y'all suck fyi

That being said I don't super blame RCE in particular for pushing through the hammer

Good luck aiming!

[Shirobacca]

VOTE: RCE

I'm okay with this for the moment

[Shirobacca]

VOTE: palpatine

I mean, cmon, is there really anyone more evil than he?

This is one of my main concerns, since it looks like the lazy early distancing you would expect in a vengeful mountainous, and there's not really a lot of follow up or clear development from it.

As amusing as the impressions were, they're completely getting in the way of playing the game. I doubt that avoiding revealing ourselves is so critical that it's worth it to clam up completely, so let's drop the acts a bit and just play the game.

I agree as this is what I've been struggling with. I really don't want to give the Jingle any hint at our identities. BUT it seems like pretty important information for them, so I don't like you just saying it isn't that big of a deal. Like "hey its no biggie, lets just talk normally so I can figure out who's who and get a scum win" is what I hear from your post. VOTE: DEB

It comes as no surprise that baezu would be scum in this game, just like all her other games

VOTE: baezda

This is not a very TROWN post

I know, but I made a point of making the statement before I checked.

Unfortunately, it was Shiro, who is already trown.

This is a fine read I guess but not sure why it can't be an attempted pocket?

So you haven't reevaluated your read on us since the beginning of the game?

Why not?

This seems scummy since they still hadn't done enough to justify much reevaluation

Posted?

Like, you were scumreading my slot from very early on, and early reads are generally lower quality than later reads, especially since I hadn't posted much and I'm easier to read than my partner. Although you've shown evidence that you've continued to scumread us, you haven't shown any thought process or explanation as to why, nor have you attempted to engage with the people who are townreading us.

Fair points but thr argument that your reads are getting better is undermined by

VOTE: Frozen Grievous

FG was way more obvTROWN than baezda and there was definitely at least 1 scum on that wagon and you're a good contender

DEB, you're my scum read. Why are you town? What are your reads?

You're town.
Ki, Shiro, Tytitus, and RCEPO are in some weird leantown group.
Irrelph and Arist are a mess. May be worth it to sort today. I have individual reasons to townread each but they are fairly weak.
Obi might be scum.
I remember literally nothing about Nute.

Actually continuing to leantown me after saying to have you venged yesterday is kinda townie; and it is possible that what looks like tmi early is just rng landing on scum. Still don't see why people are hard towning your slot tho.

If RCE is town I want him to venge someone else from the FG wagon. does anyone have a better suggestion than DEB? What towniness am I missing from deb if he is TROWN?

[Shirobacca]

Padme Almostdala, Irreleph Organa, Darth Tytitus, Darth Easy Baker, RCEPO

These are the five names I'd consider lynching today, and where I would want any venge shot to go if RCE should flip town

Of these, Padme I think is the most likely town off tone right now, although I'm not totally certain there

If anyone wants to hard towncase any of the three in Irreleph, Tytius, and DEB, I'd hear it. I'd like to say RCE should shoot within two names if possible.

My other head had a townread on Tytius a while back.

Lynch RCE --> Venge inside Irreleph/DEB if RCE town sounds basically fine to me

So long as we continue immolating the shitty FG wagon

[Shirobacca]

The FG wagon wasn’t shit.

Yes it was

[Shirobacca]

And FG was not obvtown, and he was a deadline lynch because no one not voting was online so we literally didn't have a choice and had to stay on him

He was, and him becoming a deadline lynch because this town is throwing because of its apathy does not mean he wasn't. Getting obvtown lynched because town is sucking is how scum win games. That baez would have been a "harder mislynch" for scum simply reflects that you agree it was the scummier of the two slots, and we should have had it shooting something like rce. Lynching fg was like giving scum a free nightkill

Also, why are you whining about outing vorkuta when the issue killing this game is that no one is saying anything. If vork isn't going to give more content on what's in the game then he's gonna get outed if it's obvious anyway.

[Shirobacca]

Like are you arguing that the fg wagon was all town? Or what are you actually arguing here?

[Shirobacca]

Both were objectively scummy to me, and I was quite surprised that both flipped town.
I'm actually kinda suspicious of anyone who would say either one was obvtown.

Oh really? And which head made this post and is having this kinda suspicion?

[Shirobacca]

No I'm not saying it's all town, but I'm not saying the game is solved by lynching in the last people who voted FG when there wasn't any other option

They were literally preventing a no lynch (ex. DEB)

I was never saying that though. I was saying we lynch on the wagon until we hit scum because I don't think that lynch goes through without scum help, deadline or not

[Shirobacca]

Nute's last post almost entirely erased my townread on that slot though so I don't know, maybe I'm open to some off wagon lynches after all.

But still, given I never said "lynch the entire wagon because both scum are on it" what is the point of your argument tytis?

[Shirobacca]

Both were objectively scummy to me, and I was quite surprised that both flipped town.
I'm actually kinda suspicious of anyone who would say either one was obvtown.

I really want to hear more about how you don't believe anyone in this game can find a read on someone after 60 posts and a scumflip. Does your other head also have this suspicion?

[Shirobacca]

I don't really care about outing you if I think you're scum and I didn't need meta to see that fg was obvtrown

and shading me vaguely by saying you don't think I could read FG is scummy and also something that I know one of your two heads would never post as town

[Shirobacca]

But now I'm also pretty sure you're the other head.

Tell your other head to comment before I start burning your slot down thanks

[Shirobacca]

You mean today only? Your other head wasn't posting some on earlier days?

[Shirobacca]

Well Nute you basically don't read at all like town you then, are you roleplaying a bad guy or something?

[Shirobacca]

This.

Agreeing with something that was a refutation to something I never said makes me think one of the two of you is scum trying to avoid the venge.

VOTE: DEB

RCE's iso is totally empty but that you, Tytus, and Nute are all arguing against finding scum on the wagon without actually arguing for any of the individual slots being town is scummy AF. One of you is obviously just town playing poorly in an unreadable game but there's no way all three of you pushing back on finding scum on the wagon are town.

[Shirobacca]

Are you fishing for identity here?
I'm playing exactly like I play every town game, with the exception of not being able to use meta at all.

Why would I need to fish when you would have to be braindead to not know which player you are?

Also you are much less chill than you usually are

[Shirobacca]

Lynchpool is now {Tytus, DEB, Nute} because this pushback is incredibly scummy, RCE is probably town through PoE

[Shirobacca]

Nute are all arguing against finding scum on the wagon

This is incorrect. I'm not saying anything about on / off wagon.

THEN WHAT ARE YOU ARGUING?

WHAT IS THE POINT OF THE WORDS YOU ARE WRITING?

[Shirobacca]

What is the point of making that argument except to refute my point that we should be finding the scum that helped push through FG?

[Shirobacca]

Like are you just saying words or what?

[Shirobacca]

Sure, ok.

My point was that while FG might not have been obvTROWN to everyone, he certainly was to me, and while the wagon was demonstrably town-led (given that scum opted to kill the person leading it), I don't think the entire wagon was town because I simply don't see FG being so scummy that both remaining scum would have avoided pushing through that wagon. That makes me think at least one of the remaining scum was on the FG wagon. There's only four people left on that wagon, one of which I have mixed feelings about but can see as town (Padme), one of which has an unreadable iso and so can easily be scum (RCE), one of which my other head townreads but I am less confident on (Tytus), and the last of which I've been thinking about but certainly could be scum (DEB).

So you can either argue that you actually don't think scum were on the wagon at all (which I disagree with), or you can argue that one of those four is or is not town (thus limiting the lynch/venge pool). That Tytus and DEB both started pushing back despite the fact that I was voting RCE makes me think one of the two is scum, is spewing RCE town, and was trying to avoid a venge shot. Arguing whether or not FG was obvtown or not is irrelevant; it was simply part of my point that his wagon did not go through while being entire town. So saying you think he wasn't obvtown but agree that scum might have been on the wagon is ???????

[Shirobacca]

Agreeing with something that was a refutation to something I never said makes me think one of the two of you is scum trying to avoid the venge.

I don't care what it was in response to, the point was still a valid one. You implied that it was scum-motivated to vote FG when the alternative was a no-lynch, which is blatantly wrong.

Except I never said I was pushing people for voting at the end of the day, I was saying the wagon does not go through with only town on it because FG was not scummy enough for that to be an all town wagon. I wasn't voting RCE because he was the last vote on the wagon, I was voting RCE because he was on the wagon and there are few reasons to townread him regardless of his placement on the wagon. So you're agreeing with a refutation to a point I never made and patting yourself on the back for it.

[Shirobacca]

You're eating a vengekill if we're lynched, I hope you realize.

Yeah or you could find scum. Or even find town. Convince me that two of the living players on the FG wagon are town and we'll have a good PoE. That you seem to want to just AtE out of a push you doesn't make me think you're any less likely to flip scum.

[Shirobacca]

deb and shiro are both likely town here.

what specifically makes you think deb is likely town?

[Shirobacca]

I'm not that worried about it at this point, although I don't know what them guessing does. I was thinking it would 'deactivate' the vengekill but if so I would have thought they'd have gotten it off by now.

I think a fair number of people are off their meta so it'd be nice if you could just point to the posts from DEB that you think comes from TROWN them, but whatever.

what's your read of Tytis?

[Shirobacca]

Well, I didn't know it was you, but at least now I can say you're town with a great deal more confidence.

Nute's town, you're town, so at least I have something resembling a townblock again.

Padme doesn't go today.

I'm fine jettisoning RCE which seems to be where you and Nute are so whatever.

VOTE: RCE

You want him to shoot Irreleph if RCE is town?

[Shirobacca]

If someone is going to push for a dumb reasoning to lynch a group of people, that didn't even do something scummy, you're going to get pushback

A) i never called it a solve
B) you and deb acting like I called it a solve when I didn't is scummy af
C) I'm now less interested in the wagon and more interested in you making up strawmen for my arguments
D) the wagon was scummy and you arguing that it being presented as a compromise lynch at deadline makes it less scummy is the opposite of truth
E) you insisting the wagon wasn't scummy while also exclusively hunting on the wagon, because that's where the scummiest people are, is some weird cogdis and also scummy

Summary: you and deb had a very scummy reaction to this push.

[Shirobacca]

Ki adi also thought fg was town he was just less loud about it.

I townread everyone on the baezda wagon. Arist and obi are my only off wagon question marks and there are some decent reasons to think they might be town. I think it's more plausible both scum were on FG than that none were. I don't care even slightly if three town had bad reads and some people compromised at deadline; one to two scum on a bad lynch in a game with two living scum (probably) makes it a scummy wagon.

Like all you're doing is shouting that fg was scummy without ever identifying what he actually did that wasscummy, which is basically how he got lynched. Your inability to get specific in why he was scummy js why the wagon was bad, why the wagon was scummy, and why the fact that it went through is highly indicative of there having been scum on it. Like at least irreleph had a reason even if it was nonsense.

[Shirobacca]

Idk I kinda like a couple of Obi's posts.

VOTE: Frozen Grievous

I can switch if the votes swing that way.

Boy sure makes sense you're arguing the wagon was townie givne your conviction here

VOTE: Padme
My hydra already did this, so this is just a show of support

Why is Padme still alive?

UNVOTE:
I now strongly townread Padme

This is funky.

Frozen, were those last two posts by the same head?

D) the wagon was scummy and you arguing that it being presented as a compromise lynch at deadline makes it less scummy is the opposite of truth

You're refusing to look at this from anyone else's perspective but your own.

Thirteen people were alive. At minimum, ten of them were town. Exactly one person was calling FG obvtown. So at that instant, it's confirmed that there were at least eight town-aligned players who did not think FG was obvtown. Those players saw FG as an unknown, and a deadline lynch on an unknown who has a vengekill if town is vastly better than a no-lynch. Don't even try to argue this, or I will break out some math, so help me God.

I don't know what you're using "scummy" to mean, but I'm using it to mean "likely to come from scum," which is what it means. If eight townies thought something...

...then a random person who thought it is not any more likely to be scum than random.

If you scumread the people on the wagon, that's fine. Scumread them for other reasons. Which leads me to my next point...

E) you insisting the wagon wasn't scummy while also exclusively hunting on the wagon, because that's where the scummiest people are, is some weird cogdis and also scummy

Which is that you can scumread someone and not scumread everything they do. It could just so happen that the people on the wagon are scummy for other reasons, even if their presence is irrelevant to the read. It's not cogdis... and it's certainly not scummy.

(Cogdis is towny, by the way. I don't know who told you otherwise.)

"Cogdis is townie"

"Fg was scum because cogdisinconsistencies"

[Shirobacca]

wow ok

so you just decided to argue that the wagon on the person who wasn't scummy was not a scummy wagon because you yourself happened to compromise there?

Yeah that you felt compelled to compromise there does not make it a townie wagon.

You, me, and ki adi all then did not see FG as scummy. I townread nute who was also not on the wagon. Unless you wanna argue scum is in arist/obi, yeah. I think the wagon was scummy because it went through at the behest of who? Anniecan? where was the actually compelling argument for fg scum and how did the wagon go through without that?

It's not like I'm just saying the entire wagon should die. so what have you even been arguing about? do you think you should be townread for compromising on someone you didn't scumread?

[Shirobacca]

And flipped for a lack of any other pushes.

Yeah but *this is why the wagon is scummy*

In a gamestate where everyone is vengeful, one way scum can push through mislynches is by getting on a wagon for basically non-reasons. That's why this "it was a compromise lynch at eod!" doesn't make it less scummy, it makes it more, because that is the gamestate where scum might actually help push through a mislynch on the more town of the two slots

So we have a scenario where:
-the more town of the two slots was lynched
-no one on the lynch wagon has a non-shit reason for being there

he got wagoned for a reason

Yeah but no one can actually say what that reason was. "he was scummy" in non-committal terms doesn't do it for me

Frozen Grievous [7]: Anniecan Boonrunner, Padme Almostdala, Baezda, Irreleph Organa, Darth Tytitus, Darth Easy Baker, RCEPO,

I know who the FG hydra is and they should be shot.

PALPATINE SHOOT FG IF YOU'RE TOWN K THX

VOTE: FrozenGrievous

Dunno if double post, site on mobile is fucked

shit meta but at least a fucking reason, but not something that *anyone* on the wagon ever questioned which makes me think this slot is more likely town that scum didn't want to disrupt

I'll do one too

Anniecan Boonrunner- account issues are account issues
Padme Almostdala- hate the claim, like the plaim
RCE-P0- feels towny
Mace Binsdu- TvT argument is TvT. I can get behind their nute case
Obi-Someth Kenobi- not voting for ObiWan
Arist-2D2- could be scummy
Baezda- I don't view it as a fuckup
Frozen Grievous- need to reread
Nute Krazy- could be scum
Shirobacca- probably TROWN
Ki-Adi-Joandi- paranoia over revealing town feels townie
Darth TyTitus- annoying but prolly town
Characellor Palpatine- can be scum
Darth Easy Baker- I just like how chewie made him not trown so I'll stick by that

Canon-wise Grievous, Nute, Darth TyTitus, Palpatine, and DEB are the bad guys
The burden's on them to show why the trope has been subverted in this game.

VOTE: Frozen Grievous

L-1

basically no reason

HERE I TRY TO START A CONVERSATION WITH EACH OF YOU:

Anniecan Boonrunner - DID YOUR ACCOUNT BREAK AGAIN OR WAS IT TOO HARD TO ACT TOWN THAT YOU QUIT POSTING
Padme Almostdala - I'M WARMING UP TO THE PRINCESS, LIKELY DUE TO HER STELLAR LOOKS. HOW ARE YOU DOIN'? DID YOU KNOW I'M A DOCTOR?
RCE-P0 - NO THANKS, I GET GHOSTED ENOUGH IN REAL LIFE
Obi-Someth Kenobi - YOU ARE MY ONLY HOPE, OBI WAN! WHICH... is... pretty sad... I WANT A REFUND.
Arist-2D2 - THANK YOU FOR SHEEPING ME. HOW DOES IT MAKE YOU FEEL?
Baezda - MORE LIKE BYE-ZDA, HA. GET IT?
Frozen Grievous - WHY DO YOU THINK TWAT IS A COOL THING TO CALL SOMEONE? IT'S RUDE
Irrelph Organa - ANNOYING BUT TOWN AS FUCK. I'D RATHER NOT TALK TO YOU, NO HARD FEELINGS.
Nute Krazy - TOWN AS FUCK. WANNA GO ON A DATE WITH ME AND KIaDI?
Shirobacca - HEY I MISS YOU BUDDY, DID YOU SUFFOCATE ON YOUR HAIR?
Ki-Adi-Joandi - TOWN AS FUCK. WANNA GO ON A DATE WITH ME AND NUTS?
Darth Easy Baker - NOT TOWN AS FUCK BUT LIKE STILL TOWN JUST NOT AS FUCK. LYNCH LURKERS WITH ME.


DR WORRRMMMMM!M!M!M!!!!

I really need a real job.

VOTE: Frozen G

Should now be 3, 5

No reason

No - the first two were made by head one, the third post by head two

But even if they were by the same head, why are they weird? 150 posts were made between the 2nd and 3rd post. During that period, insomnia towntold.

If they had been made by the same head, the progression would have been very towny. As it is, it's still somewhat towny, but less so.

VOTE: Frozen Grievous

Like all you're doing is shouting that fg was scummy without ever identifying what he actually did that wasscummy, which is basically how he got lynched. Your inability to get specific in why he was scummy js why the wagon was bad, why the wagon was scummy, and why the fact that it went through is highly indicative of there having been scum on it.

FG wasn't scummy. I had really no strong feelings on them, and I only voted because it was impossible to get a lynch through on anyone else, including my preferred lynch Baezda.

Literally "not only did I not have a reason, I actually thought the slot was town"

Frozen is flipping town.

VOTE: Frozen Grievous

Literally the opposite of a reaason

so

WHAT I want to know is

HOW THE FUCK was this a compromise wagon when half the people ON the wagon are townreading it and half the people OFF the wagon are townreading it

I was townreading it, Ki was townreading it, Deb was null/towning it, RCE was null/towning it

Everyone now is like "oh no mang FG was scummy, that wasn't a shit wagon"

It was an incredibly shit wagon, it's the shittiest wagon I have any memory of seeing this year

Like it's certainly possible that Obi and Arist are just scum letting town implode but given how many completely shitty, nonsensical votes there are on that "compromise wagon" if scum ever felt there was a wagon they could get on that would lynch the townier of two players, then it was this one. So no I'm not going to just ignore or give a pass to the people who piled on at end of day when basically no one was saying Baezda was town.

Also these:

Spoiler:

uh

phone posting

still need that VC

W.e. fine with either Baezda or FG at this point

Why'd we switch from FG again?
Nothing has changed and I don't see baezda scumming it up significantly

I think Baezda has 4

Same with FG

VOTE: Frozen G

Should now be 3, 5

We aren't going to get an extension just because of lack of VC, I doubt it

Just vote who has the most votes, which I think is FG

Plus if this is a mislynch I trust FG way more with the venge than Baezda

are all shitty

hence the aptness of the characterization of it being
"a shit wagon"

that scum would be happy to pile on given the shittiness of the town reasoning at the front of the wagon, since that means they don't get blamed of venged

[Shirobacca]

shit meta but at least a fucking reason, but not something that *anyone* on the wagon ever questioned which makes me think this slot is more likely town that scum didn't want to disrupt

although it's not like scum never lies about fake meta, but usually the player in question is actually known when that happens so this is more convoluted than what you'd usually expect from scum faking meta

[Shirobacca]

Yeah, that's why I find the "oh but the wagon wasn't scummy" argument wildly self-serving, I don't get why Tyti and DEB started pushing back on that point while I was still voting RCE. That's why I was worried that one of the two of them was spewing RCE town, because the only reason it made sense for them to do that is if they are avoiding a vengekill. Given where their own suspicions are, they should agree that the wagon was bad! The only person it makes sense to argue it wasn't was Padme since he at least thought he had a reason

[Shirobacca]

Eh, all we know for sure right now is that RCE gives 0 shits about this game. For several people in the list that could be scum indicative but it's not a hard guarantee. If he is town then I think giving him some guidance on where to shoot is not a bad idea, and on that point I'd say Irrelph > Tytius > DEB > Padme is where my thoughts are at this particular moment.

[Shirobacca]

Alright well I still have Ki-Adi and Nute as town
I imagine 2 scum being within Arist, Obi, Darth, and DEB

With 2 scum left, night kill, lynch, vig, there's the risk we go from 7 to 4 (2-2) thus making this lynch+venge mylo so we should probably feel pretty decent about the lynch

Nute what did you see from Obi that made you lean town yesterday?

[Shirobacca]

1.1

Characellor Palpatine

[3]: Darth Easy Baker,

Shirobacca

, Ki-Adi-Joandi
Darth Easy Baker [2]: Arist2D2,

Padme Almostdala

Shirobacca

[1]:

Mace Binsdu

Obi Someth Kenobi [1]:

Frozen Grievous

Not Voting [8]:

Anniecan Boonrunner

,

RCEPO

, Obi-Someth Kenobi,

Baezda

,

Irrelph Organa

, Nute Krazy, Darth TyTitus,

Characellor Palpatine

1.”3”

Characellor Palpatine

[2]:Darth Easy Baker, Ki-Adi-Joandi
Darth Easy Baker [2]:

Shirobacca

,

RCEPO

Baezda

[2]:

Frozen Grievous

,

Padme Almostdala

Darth Tytitus [2]:

Baezda

, Arist2D2

Shirobacca

[1]:

Mace Binsdu

Not Voting [6]:

Anniecan Boonrunner

, Obi-Someth Kenobi,

Irrelph Organa

, Nute Krazy, Darth TyTitus,

Characellor Palpatine

1.4

Padme Almostdala

[5]:

Frozen Grievous

, Obi-Someth Kenobi,

Mace Binsdu

, Nute Krazy, Ki-Adi-Joandi

Characellor Palpatine

[2]: Arist2D2, Darth TyTitus

Baezda

[2]:

Shirobacca

, Darth Easy Baker
Nute Krazy [2]:

Irrelph Organa

,

Padme Almostdala

,
Darth Easy Baker [1]:

RCEPO

,
Darth Tytitus [1]:

Baezda

,


Not Voting [2]:

Anniecan Boonrunner

,

Characellor Palpatine

“3.05???”

Padme Almostdala

[4]: Obi-Someth Kenobi, Nute Krazy, Darth TyTitus,

Padme Almostdala

,
Darth Easy Baker [2]:

RCEPO

,

Irrelph Organa

,
Nute Krazy [2]:

Shirobacca

,

Baezda

,

Characellor Palpatine

[1]: Arist2D2,

Baezda

[1]: Darth Easy Baker,
Arist2D2 [1]:

Mace Binsdu

,


Not Voting [4]:

Anniecan Boonrunner

,

Characellor Palpatine

,

Frozen Grievous

, Ki-Adi-Joandi,


1.06

Characellor Palpatine

[8]: Arist2D2, Ki-Adi-Joandi, Nute Krazy,

Mace Binsdu

, Darth TyTitus,

Irrelph Organa

,

Frozen Grievous

,

Shirobacca

, ------[EXECUTED]

Padme Almostdala

[2]: Obi-Someth Kenobi,

Padme Almostdala

,
Darth Easy Baker [1]:

RCEPO

,
Nute Krazy [1]:

Baezda

,

Baezda

[1]: Darth Easy Baker,

2.1

Frozen Grievous

[3]:

Anniecan Boonrunner

, Darth TyTitus, Nute Krazy,
Darth Easy Baker [2]:

Shirobacca

,

Irrelph Organa

,

Not Voting [8]:

Padme Almostdala

,

RCEPO

, Obi-Someth Kenobi, Arist-2D2,

Baezda

,

Frozen Grievous

, Ki-Adi-Joandi, Darth Easy Baker

2.2

Frozen Grievous

[3]:

Anniecan Boonrunner

, Darth Tytitus, Nute Krazy
Darth Easy Baker [2]:

Shirobacca

, Irreleph Organa,

Not Voting [8]: Darth Easy Baker,

Baezda

,

RCEPO

,

Padme Almostdala

, Obi-Someth Kenobi,

Frozen Grievous

, Ki-Adi-Joandi, Arist2D2,

2.3

Frozen Grievous

[7]:

Anniecan Boonrunner

,

Padme Almostdala

,

Baezda

, Irreleph Organa, Darth Tytitus, Darth Easy Baker,

RCEPO

,

Baezda

[4]:

Shirobacca

,

Frozen Grievous

, Ki-Adi-Joandi, Nute Krazy,
RCEP0 [1]: Arist2D2,

Not Voting [1]: Obi-Someth Kenobi,

3.1

RCEPO

[3]: Obi Someth Kenobi, Ki Adi Joandi,

Shirobacca

Irrelph Organa

[2]: Arist2d2, Nute Krazy
Darth Easy Baker [1]:

Irrelph Organa

,
Arist2d2 [1]: Darth Tytitus

Not Voting [3]:

Padme Almostdala

, Darth Easy Baker,

RCEPO

,

3.2

RCEPO

[3]: Obi Someth Kenobi, Ki Adi Joandi,

Shirobacca

,

Irrelph Organa

[2]: Arist2d2, Nute Krazy
Darth Easy Baker [1]:

Irrelph Organa

,
Obi Someth Kenobi[1]: Darth Tytitus

Not Voting [3]:

Padme Almostdala

, Darth Easy Baker,

RCEPO

,

3.3

RCEPO

[2]: Obi Someth Kenobi, Ki Adi Joandi,

Irrelph Organa

[2]: Arist2d2, Nute Krazy
Darth Easy Baker [2]:

Irrelph Organa

,

Shirobacca

Obi Someth Kenobi[1]: Darth Tytitus

Not Voting [3]:

Padme Almostdala

, Darth Easy Baker,

RCEPO

,

3.4

RCEPO

[4]: Obi Someth Kenobi, Ki Adi Joandi,

Shirobacca

, Arist2d2,

Irrelph Organa

[1]: Nute Krazy
Darth Easy Baker [1]:

Irrelph Organa

Obi Someth Kenobi[1]: Darth Tytitus

Not Voting [3]:

Padme Almostdala

, Darth Easy Baker,

RCEPO

,

3.5

RCEPO

[6]: Obi Someth Kenobi, Ki Adi Joandi,

Shirobacca

, Arist2d2, Nute Krazy,

Irrelph Organa

———[EXECUTED]
Obi Someth Kenobi[1]: Darth Tytitus

Not Voting [3]:

Padme Almostdala

, Darth Easy Baker,

RCEPO

,

[Shirobacca]

Scum have consistently gone for anti-informational kills (Anniecan, Padme)

The only one that doesn't really match that pattern is Mace who was both townread and active

[Shirobacca]

I was actually wrong on Nute's main but I'm not sure if it changes my read there or not

Kinda feel like activity level from Obi would usually be scum indicative but then again it's now obvious that Creature gave exactly 0 fucks about this game so *shrug* not sure that meta activity tells will be useful here given how little effort town has been willing to put in.

[Shirobacca]

To make it more intelligible, I don’t see the reasoning of the read that strong that you use it to “clear” your partner. If a scum is going to clear a partner, it’s made in other ways, not like that. Not with a “case” like that.

On the other hand, if you are looking to get the credit after the flip, you post something like he did.

Hope you understand what I mean.

I understand what you're saying to some degree but it doesn't make any sense. Scum can throw out awful townleans on their partners and often do because nullreading is seen as associative and they often do. They don't need some case to do that when they're posting a readslist for sure.

Pedit: RCEPO's identity is confirmed literally and yes they're scum this game. I hope you're right.

Yeah there's 4? This is 17p so why wouldn't it be?

I'm expecting 4.

P-ed: oh, is it? I wasn't aware.

It's 15p. But Boon has been putting 4 scum in all his 15ps lately, so still 4.

Wait are we thinking 4:3 or 5:2?

I guess Arist and Obi thought it was 4 scum yesterday some time which would mean this is lylo not mylo. If so town's probably fucked I guess.

I guess I'm a little surprised the assumption was 4 rather than 3 in a mountainous? Although I guess this isn't technically mountainous.

[Shirobacca]

Yeah they added an extra e in "Irreleph" so my replace didn't work and I didn't see it on review

[Shirobacca]

If it's 4:3 then do we lose before venge occurs on a mislynch?

[Shirobacca]

If it's 4:3 then do we lose before venge occurs on a mislynch?

@mod?

[Shirobacca]

I mean if the scum outing mains is any more powerful than just turning off the venge kill, I'd say we're already pretty f'd. If you think DEB can be townblocked by meta... idk in mylo/lylo I'd just make the case, unless you're pretty confident today's lynch is just obi wan since it seems like everyone except nute has him in their poe?

[Shirobacca]

Unfortunately I have mediocre reasons to townread everyone and several people that I have good reasons to townread. And looking at VCA, Obi Wan just kinda looks like a conventional scum game based on positioning, although partly it looks that way because of so little activity/vote movement. Still, if we have three scum I'd be really surprised if Obi isn't one of them. If we have two, then the question is whether he can land a venge.

[Shirobacca]

I could see Tytitus/Shiro. Both have been at each other for some time, but both come into today preferring the "easy" push on me.

Maybe you could not be the easy lynch by actually providing any content or analysis rather than just going 'whaah whaah people who weren't saying it was me yesterday are saying it's me today' when we have the info of three additional flips.

[Shirobacca]

Shiro coming in and pushing the "frozen wagon was so bad hurrdurh, let's lynch off of there cause there's definitely scum" is really not sitting well with me now, especially with the RCEPO and Irreleph town flips

There were other reasons to wagon Irreleph and RCEPO dead, this was such a easy explanation to just blame the FG wagon, which really looks fake in retrospect cause aGAIN the wagon wasn't that bad, given it was a deadline rush and Irreleph and RCEPO voted to get the flip and so did DEB and I
like heck

Yeah I started there but I stayed there not because of that logic but because you flipped out at that logic as though you knew that RCE + Organa were both flipping town. There was literally no reason for you to respond like that unless you were anticipating a game state like this one.

[Shirobacca]

Obi you can make a convincing case on Tyti if you want.

[Shirobacca]

What was the point of 1164? Do you think ki adi is scum?

[Shirobacca]

Eh padme was kinda an easier read here than most.

[Shirobacca]

Right so both Padme and FG were obvtown and I should've known better, my bad

But my townread on Irreleph and DEB are just shit on a wall eh

I feel like you finally understand

[Shirobacca]

DEB want to comment or not? 1152 doesn't seem like something that either S_S or Baezu would say to me off-hand but I'm not really sure tbh

[Shirobacca]

I can't even believe this game's been going four weeks already...

do you have a better lynch than Obi SS?

[Shirobacca]

(I used the wording "Shiro thinks the game is won by voting off the wagon" which they argued with, but if you're tunnel voting on a wagon, that's directing the game to a single focus because you're putting the fate of the game on this claim that scum was on the wagon). Again saying FG was obvtown (when they weren't), ignoring that the Baezda wagon was impossible to form, and that it was a deadline wagon... just feels opportunistic and intentionally ignorant

So you're using your own misrep to back your argument now?

FG was obvtown
The Baezda wagon wasn't impossible to form, it had basically the same numbers up until the moment you switched
It being a deadline wagon doesn't make it more town
Arguing that it was a deadline wagon and therefore less scummy is scummy since scum need to avoid responsibility for mislynches
You yourself were pushing both of those slots but arguing heavily against me on this point, which makes it seem like you're trying to blame me for their mislynches when let's look at one of your posts:

Frozen is flipping town.

Willing to switch to this

This is scummy as shit. Town is townreading town and you decide that they're scummy for it, thus helping push through the FG wagon while then also using that moonlogic bullshit to push through RCE.

If you are town you have used the complete bullshit logic started in this post to push through FG, who was town, RCE, who was town, and now you want to push me, who is town.

So are you a complete fucking moron or are you just scum?

Because you've been riding this "FG was scummy" logic for a long fucking time now in this game when NO, THEY WERE NOT, and it was you attacking them being townblocked which is how they were in the PoE.

[Shirobacca]

The fact that you're ignoring that I wanted the Baezda wagon to go through and only switched cause I didn't think it would, is scummy af

Bitch please, I haven't even been dwelling on the FG wagon today. You literally are bringing up the points I made yesterday and then acting like that's still my top concern. Strawman much? You're the one who won't let this go, not me

[Shirobacca]

You still haven't given any reasons to why FG was obvtown and how you somehow KNEW THEY WERE TOWN. like cmon man you're just going to hold onto this for no reasons, I can at least say that FG wasn't a bad end of day wagon because we needed a flip and their reactions were pretty bad.

Do you want me to retroactively towncase a dead person? Because I can explain what I saw but mostly it just boils going through their iso and concluding that they're town. That you're still insisting they were scummy, when they weren't, post-flip, is obnoxious and disgusting. Get over yourself. You have shit reads or you're scum. Boo hoo.

[Shirobacca]

Like

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spam letters in a bullshit overreaction again and I will vote you

[Shirobacca]

VOTE: Darth
Impress me

Tytitus or Easy Baker?

Real time interaction based on context meant to generate content in a largelyempty game

Why is Padme still alive?

UNVOTE:
I now strongly townread Padme

Town reaction to Insomnia spewing himself town

I think I forgot to mention earlier - insomnia is still bad at mafia /sigh
Liability to whatever team he is on, he’s just noise

I’m still waiting for a reasoning on why I was pushed by him.

It’s been 4 days and I still don’t know why I had to address a ghost concern.

Because you were being an arrogant twat

Town reactions to Padme; scum doesn't want to generate a big conflict with him because he's so bad at this game he's very likely to aggressively push anyone who tells him to stop driving town off cliffs. Anyone who's played with him knows this.

Well town consensus is wrong if they are lynching us and is subject to scum manipulation. We can make an independently better bet as who is scum without influence (motivation of which unsure).

I never said the veng shot was a group decision, so it’s not like we are going rogue or backtracking.

Not voting because kinda still expecting to be lynched and haven’t really deliberated otherwise

Vote Baezda!

!

This is town reaction to pressure since scum don't just need to lynch someone else, they need to be townread enough to avoid getting venge'd.

Obvious fucking town for pretty much the entire game, and even more obviously town if you realized the slot was ofrhz, and if you had any meta with ofrhz you know this is her town meta.

Unfortunately confirming it's ofrhz is open to wifom since she's chronically misread anyway and very frequently mislynched for being low activity, but she's even lower activity as scum than as town and for her this was a fairly active game.

Harder to make that argument when I'm not 100% sure it's ofrhz but there were multiple reasons to think the slot was town if you were paying attention.

[Shirobacca]

But yeah, keep wasting my fucking time by asking me to towncase dead people.

If you're town I'm rapidly running out of fucks to give to win the game with you so I might reach a point soon of just preferring to hope you're scum since so many town have already made it almost impossible to win this game.

[Shirobacca]

Obi did you just randomly drop your Shiro scumread?

Wow even more of an argument for these two as scum together

If everyone just wants to randomly give Shiro a pass fine, but Obi is a fine candidate for a lynch today

Let's go there

VOTE: Darth Tytitus

If this lazy facsimile of scumhunting is supposed to convince anyone let me know

Tyti has just been saying words for days. This is not town by a long shot lol

[Shirobacca]

I love how earlier today you're like "hmm I seem to share the same PoE as Shiro"

but then you ignore every other point I make and exclusively focus on the point I made about the FG wagon, probably because I called you out on spewing RCE/Vork town in your shitty reaction to my push there lol

like how is that a real thought process you have. "Hmm, Shiro thinks the FG wagon has scum on it, and my top candidate is also on that wagon... better throw a tantrum for agreeing with me in a way that only conceivably implicates me if they both flip town!"

then later

"Ohhh, I agree with every point Shiro is making... but I dislike the fact that earlier they said I might be scum because the FG wagon probably had scum on it even though they're not really pushing that point right now"

like none of what you have said today makes remote sense from a town POV. You keep saying and doing things that make waaaaaay more sense from a scum pov than a town pov. And then you start trying to link me to Obi in the most ham-fisted way possible like wtf? I come into today and think he's scum through VCA and PoE through other townreads and you're like "ohhh shiiiit Shiro/Obi is totes a thing guys!"

complete bullshit

there's no way you have said the things you say and not either have a lobotomy or be scum lol

[Shirobacca]

Pure kneejerk to the vote with 0 critical thought lol

[Shirobacca]

Scum are frozen because they were hoping the first vote of lylo wouldn't actually land on scum LOL

[Shirobacca]

Day 1 - Doesn't vote Palpatine and buddies the #1 wagon and calls them obvtown, great positioning for scum this game to dodge a vengekill while simultaneously not bussing Palps

yeah it's a much better look to pretty much have exclusively wolfed the entire game like you LOL

[Shirobacca]

Day 1 - Doesn't vote Palpatine and buddies the #1 wagon and calls them obvtown, great positioning for scum this game to dodge a vengekill while simultaneously not bussing Palps
Day 2 - Again buddied the fuck out of the lynch candidate and is still attacking this wagon even though it wasn't that bad because it was a DL lynch
Day 3 - Was for the RCE lynch and the Irreleph vengeshot. Sure town can be wrong but again we're seeing someone push two town here

like, what the fuck even is this list LOL

do you even read the horseshit you are spewing into this thread

"ohhh man shiro was right on too many reads

but shiro also...

was occasionally wrong!!!! on the people that they were willing to consider partly because I was heavy pushing them!"

[Shirobacca]

when the fuck did I say that RCEPO was town

YOU SAID THAT RCEPO HAD A TOWN HAMMER
NOT ME

yeah but you think I'm scum because I reconsidered on RCE lol

clearly even though I spent the the game "buddying" by pushing against every other push on town, and also correctly read RCE but reconsidered based on the sustained arguments by slots INCLUDING YOU, suddenly RCE getting lynched is my fault

GET THE FUCK OUT LOL

[Shirobacca]

Literally everything you're saying right now requires such immense cognitive dissonance it's truly fucking breathtaking

[Shirobacca]

Keep just saying that I'm dumb, really

I don't think you're dumb, I think you're scum lol

[Shirobacca]

lol I'm not saying RCE being lynched was your fault, he was prob going down anyways, but you were likely awfully ok with it as scum

uhh yeah, CREATURE DECIDED NOT TO PLAY THE FUCKING GAME

Like, obviously his alignment being AI is not fucking a 1-1 thing anymore but it's not like it ever stopped being the case that he prefers town. In a game where he has no meta there was no reason to think he wouldn't be going hard lurk

He also had almost no correct reads which is pretty jarring for either alignment

[Shirobacca]

I'm not saying RCE being lynched was your fault,

you sure as shit seem to be trying to blame me for it, it's your third main point LOL

[Shirobacca]

You literally spent the entire fucking game pushing RCE as scum, well before there was any way to PoE the slot to being Creature, and NOW you have the fucking gall to argue I was "okay" with the lynch

One of the two of you needed to go and one of the two of you was playing, given at best he was unreadable there was no reason to take the slot into anything resembling endgame

And I was pretty clear on that being my reasoning -- even though I was thinking there was scum on FG, I was pretty clear that the hammer was the towniest thing about the slot

[Shirobacca]

IT SAYS THAT YOU WERE FOR IT

and on what fucking UNIVERSE does that make me scum?

Stop with the superficial bullshit reasoning if you want me to stop insulting your intelligence. As I said, if you're town, you need to have had a lobotomy to be making the case you are trying to make.

[Shirobacca]

The fact that anyone can say Shiro is actually trying here boggles my mind. Not to mention they're tunnelling me because I argued against their awful logic that FG was obvtown/the wagon was bad (even though it's still likely all town, lmfao) and now because I'm "not scumhunting".

lazily trying to pair me with Obi after today is yeah, FAKE BULLSHIT.

Either you are having an incredibly bad game or you are simply scum. Like you don't seem like a total dipshit so I'm inclined to believe you're scum. Nothing you're saying right now is dissuading me of the thought you're scum, although who knows, maybe you are just "mafia handicapped"

[Shirobacca]

I'm not trying to convince you, lmfao

Oh I see, so you really have just turned off your brain, but for some reason this means you think people should listen to you.

If you're no longer thinking about my alignment, then yeah, you can go today LOL

[Shirobacca]

You're either dumb or scum.

I can see why people still townread you, and I was still thinking about your alignment until you said you had stopped playing the game in potential LYLO

LOL gtfo, you're done son.

I don't even care, if you're somehow town then you don't deserve to win so the point's moot anyway

[Shirobacca]

It's not like I PoE'd to 4 people and then picked the most likely pairing or anything, based on my actual reads

1265 is a steaming pile of shit as a post

if you want to claim that's "scumhunting" then you need to go back to newbie queue in a world where you're town

even for scum it's so gross you should probably start rethinking your approach to the game

[Shirobacca]

Like, that you were arguing for people as town is a reason I was still thinking about you and thinking about the merits of obi and arist

but then you just keep spewing inane bullshit that seems incredibly unlikely to come from town

like who is like "oh my god, in lylo you were reconsidering, therefore BOTH OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE SCUM"

That's not a thought process someone has who is playing the game in good faith lol

[Shirobacca]

Maybe I was reaction testing you and you failed?

If you really think you could be 'mafia handicapped' then I might actually unvote you because it's actually very often the case that the person playing like shit for the entire game is town

which hydra are you? that's an interesting post

[Shirobacca]

… this wasn't the first post I mentioned you and obi as scum together

at all

yeah, it came out of nowhere, read as incredibly fake, and also read as a bad-faith shade in a long string of bad-faith shades on a lot of town slots, which is a LOT of what I see in your iso

[Shirobacca]

1265 reads like someone who is trying to get a mislynch and a vigshot more than town hunting associatives

I don't even townread Obi but that reads like you're spewing him town which requires you to be scum

[Shirobacca]

Which is the same feeling I had when you freaked the fuck out about my points on the FG wagon, like maybe questioning the logic OK, but you KEEP coming back to it, when I felt like your initial reaction was possibly spewing RCE town, so that's twice like I've felt like you were spewing someone's alignment

Why does so much of your play feel informed?

[Shirobacca]

It came at the start of today because it looked like you entered this game with a plan and both of you had crafted scum stances on one another

lol sure

[Shirobacca]

Maybe I was reaction testing you and you failed?

lol sure

this is golden

You think in a dead game where there's basically never more than three people on at the same time that I wouldn't reaction test you?

I mean you've been saying a lot of baseless bullshit and have had awful reactions for days, so... yeah, cutting through the chaff with you theoretically should have let me see you spew yourself town

so why does everything you have been saying seem WILDLY bad faith?

[Shirobacca]

And my question to Obi stands as is, I just want to see how he is going to explain his scumread on you because I think it's fake

so if that's the point you're considering it why does that lead you to *both are scum*

how the fuck is that a real thought process?

[Shirobacca]

Back tracking and saying you're reaction testing is hilarious and I just had scum claim this in the last game I played

Voted me, I pushed them for their read on me, then they back tracked and said they were reaction testing me



Probably cause you're reading my posts to fit your narrative to get my lynch through as scum : )

I didn't say it was a reaction test, I said *maybe* it was a reaction test.

It wasn't, but I also wasn't dead set on your lynch when I voted you. A reaction test implies I was null on you.

You're actually wrong. I'm trying to make sure you're not a brain dead piece of shit town costing me another game, because complete fucking morons are the reason this site is basically worthless to play on. I think you're scum, but it's not totally impossible that you're just awful.

[Shirobacca]

also I'm not talking about vengekills at all so why are you bringing it up? If I was townspewing or whatever then yeah I would have mentioned vengekills but I think you both are scum so WHY THE HECK WOULD I TALK ABOUT VENGEKILLS

Like you're just misreading all my posts at this point or just genuinely ignoring it so you can continue this weird af push

Dumbass, you don't try to control vengekills by talking about vengekills directly in this gamestate, you try to control the PoE.

[Shirobacca]

I think he's faking a scumread on you because you're bussing???????? That was my working theory and then you kept supporting it cause he ignored my question about the read and failed to actually address it???

Xtoxm ignoring your questions doesn't make me more scum.

[Shirobacca]

It's also funny cause I was just about to ask who you were as well

and yet you don't actually answer the question

[Shirobacca]

weird af push

why is my push "weird"?

why is that the adjective you're going with here?

[Shirobacca]

Oh, you're just now realizing that the person who had to hard fucking carry Boondom is the person who's sick of you arguing I'm scum for being able to form reads that aren't complete shit?

Gee what an inspiring revelation, maybe you shouldn't make a complete dogshit case that both says someone is scum for being too good to be town while also trying to chain mislynches.

I'm glad that you're gonna sleep on it in potential lylo though, that really inspires me to think you're town

[Shirobacca]

Knowing you were town in Boondom does reassert the possibility that you're just awful though, since that game was basically a steaming pile of shit too

Why don't you claim who you were so I can think about whether this is the approximate level of play I'd expect from you as town

UNVOTE:

[Shirobacca]

Also you almost vigged an IC in Menace but I mean ok ignore your broken overpowered role

what the fuck are you talking about

[Shirobacca]

For someone who is so sure Im scum you sure waste ur breath on really pointless stuff

oh okay then

VOTE: Darth Tytus

[Shirobacca]

Yeah well you were playing like a steaming pile of shit there too and your reads were consistently awful

So if I had a reason to think that you weren't going to fuck up any future lylo, I actually could see you as potentially town here because you truly are awful at this game

but since this game is just a loss if you're town anyway I guess I can just write it off and blame you for making the game un-carryable

[Shirobacca]

You said you stopped thinking about my alignment in the middle of a real time conversation and then kept talking anyway

I reconsidered you and you whined that I was "too certain" on you

When I explained that I wasn't even certain you were scum you accused me of "backtracking"

In a world where you're town, players like you are the reason I've already quit this site.

[Shirobacca]

Like "whaaah whaaah why are you being aggressive with me"

the game is based on nuanced analysis and you're representing my thought process on you in real time

you're reconstructing a narrative of the game where I somehow shifted from playing politically to playing aggressively for no discernible reason

You're dismissing the value of my townreads despite the fact that I'm one of the few people who has actually been able to form any coherent reads

I don't just choose to TURN OFF MY BRAIN in a game that is entirely predicated on thinking about interactions.

[Shirobacca]

I played fine in Menace

NicoRobin is so aggressively toxic to every single game she plays in that she should have been banned a long time ago, and saying "sheeping one of the worst players on site" means you had a good game... no.

Like I can be aggressive, and sure, that's a reason I'm leaving. But at least I'm not deluded about how aggressive I am, whereas Nico plays like a fucking martyr.

[Shirobacca]

... uh

Ditto?

So if you've had new evidence that makes you have more to think about in regard to my slot, why haven't you unvoted?

[Shirobacca]

Like are you so certain I'm scum you're no longer really talking to me, or are you thinking about my alignment?

[Shirobacca]

Your neighbor in Boondom? WTF?

I also unvoted you because I started thinking you might be town, and then you insisted it was pointless because you're no longer thinking.

See I can do it again.

UNVOTE:

"WAAAH WAAAH YOU'RE VOTING TOWN"

[Shirobacca]

I'm a bit stubborn to admit I was wrong and I'm incredibly apathetic toward you dying in this current mood.

"but why do you keep insulting me??????" she asks "why do you say I'm playing like shitt?????? I don't understand!!!!! why is this person so meaaaan when I keep saying I'm only barely playing the game and not really thinking about alignments and I keep saying random fucking bullshit about them anyway?????"

VOTE: Darth Tytitus

[Shirobacca]

UNVOTE:

[Shirobacca]

Minus the fact you're the one pleading me to unvote

I was trying to see what your thought process looks like. "Pleading" is not the word; more observing that not doing so and then leaving the game in lylo is incredibly bad play

[Shirobacca]

Probably because youre an ass

Joan voted me for reasons that had nothing to do with the game and I insulted her in that game because she was basically not even playing the game

I am an ass, but I was actually treating her with kid gloves that game.

[Shirobacca]

if I'm guilty of reading you wrong, then you're guilty of reading me wrong.

I mean, sure, but when you say I "vigged" you in Boondom, there was no chance of you dying if you were town, so effectively all I was doing was getting a cop result on a slot. Relly recommended it as well because he agreed you are hard to read.

[Shirobacca]

Also what the fuck happened to Penguin?

Relly like full siteflaked but I didn't know Penguin was on hiatus?

[Shirobacca]

I've just been assuming that something related to figuring alts gets rid of the venge kill since otherwise there's no discernible mechanic whereby the "active" becomes "inactive"

[Shirobacca]

worm isnt playing.

did you ever get a sense of why worm chose not to play this game?

[Shirobacca]

krazys level of aggression in posting is beyond what i expect from him so it could be fake

based on your sense that I'm aggressive as scum? When have you seen me play scum?

[Shirobacca]

looking at the math, lynching town today isnt disastrous providing the shot hits scum
4 tomorrow for the final day vs 5 tomorrow for the final day
so if everyone suspects me you might as well lynch me, tho i think the d1 wagon and NKs spew me town somewhat

why are you assuming 5:2?

[Shirobacca]

also like you didnt carry shit
you vigged 1 out of 4
my result got 1
we lynched the other

its a team game, carrying isnt really a thing
get over yourself

what's the point of you making this argument in this gamestate?

[Shirobacca]

tho i think the d1 wagon and NKs spew me town somewhat

Have you commented on this before?

He was arguing that he wouldn't open wolf on a stealth hydra, because apparently that's an argument Xtoxm thinks is convincing enough on its own such that he has time to want to bring up things I argued with Bins that have nothing to do with this game.

[Shirobacca]

the similarities between this setup and jingles vengeful ghosts game
i mean yeah its a loss if its 4:3 rn

Just to be clear, you read Jingle's Vengeful Ghosts game and you think I don't play aggressively???

[Shirobacca]

VOTE: Obi

Thought you might respond to my last few questions but guess you'd rather just die