Mini 2090 CYS: AtmosFEAR of Terrors

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There once was a post restriction
From a mod with a cock addiction
She made it suck
I don't give a fuck
What's up I'm the latest addition

Vote: Kuribo

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What kind of wood is the weakest?
The kind that is also the meekest
He's lacking a spine
The man they call Pine
This vote seems the sweetest

Vote: Pine

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While joke voting kuribo is great
If you think he is scum you should wait
He always picks town
He's not a clown
This post restriction makes me hate

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Alisae
skygazer
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Katsuki
Plum

No clue so far, it's too early to have a real readslist. But now that you self-consciously mention it, your vote IS hella scummy, and saying "no points" doesn't make it not opportunistic AF.

A scumlist of all the people voting you
Is bad and smells like cow poo
Katsuki is scum
Pine dumb scum
Lynch the crapper fuck the other too

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oh yeah btw
I'm a miller

my first pick was third party btw

Speaking of things that annoy
Another thing I see ahoy
Third party miller
Is serial killer?
Or second pick town? Oh boy...

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Merci Madame, we say to the prick
Her punishments make us all sick
You call this crass
Fuck you in the ass
Deal with it you evil dick

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The black key is a thing in this game
I don't care it's just a pain
Pine ain't a hero
His scumhunting's zero
CHOO CHOO ON THE LYNCH TRAIN

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I know I have to post in rhyme
Not that I'm here to whine
Now TemporalLich
Is making me twitch
He's obvious scum at this time

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This depends not the alignment of Pine
In fact third party or town makes me chime
To give a blow-by-blow
Of his sad ISO
White knighting, post links and crime

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I’m being accused of doing no scumhunting, despite the fact that it’s practically impossible to do when two-thirds of the playerlist hasn’t done anything except say how omg scummy Pine is.

I’m going to be honest, I’m a little upset with this game.

It's CYS, you couldn't have missed
We can scumhunt with a player list
A shitty reaction
No excuse for inaction
Burn this, TL next, don't care who is pissed.

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The lurkaderp rule, which is as close to ironclad as any tactic I've ever put forth is that there's always at least one scum in the bottom three or four posters. The corollary is that there's usually another scum in the top three or four.

I've worked on that thought over a number of years, most scum teams have a workhorse.

I agree with this sentiment, this is the template for most games

Are you two scumfucks insane
Perhaps you are missing a brain?
Lurk from demotivation
In a CYS formation
Don't pick scum! Problem solved, no shame

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Like how is your reaction to me and kuribo discussing scum posting frequencies "OMG DONT PICK SCUM ITS SIMPLE!!!111"

Do you think a player in CYS
Wanting to do their very best
Then picks scum
For the freedom
To post nothing at all as a jest?

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The last thing I want to do in this setup is give out townreads like they're candy.

If I end up TRing scum, it could be disastrous.

Play resistance to know this pit
It is so utterly incredibly shit
the fun of sharing
is to show caring
hiding makes us not trust you one bit

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Vote: Hebi

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On NK15 perhaps, I offer another thought
Don't ignore this I cannot be bought
TemporalLich
Belongs in a ditch
Stargazer can burn to a jot

Focusing the newbie over them is bad
TL on the wagon says you're had
NK's probably town
Or third party clown
If we don't lynch scum then I'm sad

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MariaR's reasoning is oddly compelling
Kuribo's thoughts he is not telling
but on this page
this game's age
is only 72 hours, so he's not yelling

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katsuki really makes me paranoid...

everything can't be decided by powerlynching, that's not how town works

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MERCI MADAME

YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS

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HOLY SHIT I CAN TYPE OH MY GOD THIS IS SO FUCKING MUCH BETTER

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Okay, now that I've gotten some of the AMERICA FUCK YEAH out of my system

Time to get some fucking answers.

Not that there was ANYTHING wrong with the lynch, we lynched a guy who is notorious for liking scum, claimed uninvestigatable when we already have a claimed miller, and started third party hunting right off the bat.

SO! STARGAZER!

I'd probably hard pass on katsuki (outted lyncher?) and alisae (probs scum/third party??)

You have my attention. Why do you think Katsuki is an outed lyncher? You had literally zero interaction with Pine, and Pine was the one pushing this theory. Talk to me. Nowish.

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I LIKED THE OLD GI
THE LIMERICK GI

OH WELL

I CAN POST SOME CALLBACKS DAMN IT
BUT NOW I CAN POST OTHER THINGS AS WELL

Although day 1 has been fucking justice, so whatever, was working like amazingly.

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I don't know if sending 4 scummy people in is the right answer.

Although ftr I'm not getting why everyone is scumreading MariaR or NK15, so dkdc on the entire thunderdick mechanic. If you think someone is going to die as a result of this event you're suffering from a basic math error - that or we're going to be resurrecting people like mad (possible, given that it's flipless). So it's probably get a key, so it's probably something like we want at most one scummy person in there. Although I'd be all for sending people we want better reads on, so I'd be fine with something like Implosion, Kuribo, NK15, TL.

I thought Katsuki literally claimed lyncher? lemme dig it up

I just can't reconcile this with the idea that Pine was basically confirmed scum to you;

i mean pine is pretty obvscum at this point

you vote parked on him all of yesterday, but you thought Katsuki was seriously a lyncher on the guy you were voting? Did that give you pause?

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the sarcastic lyncher claim was after the Pine lynch went through??

Yes, but it doesn't really matter. You just look at it and you're okay with it? I dunno. It betrays a level of "not thinking" that I'm not comfortable assigning to you.

To walk you through the problem I'm having, it's very much difficult to connect to your reads, since the very few things you've said have, except for MariaR, come out of nowhere. Pine was obvscum or Jester because... (I guess we were saying so), you vote to give the green key to Implosion because he "looks townie" but then the next post say MariaR almost certainly picked town/3P/scum. Which would make her at least almost certainly not-scum. But imp is a better pick for green key. And... whoops, I ran out of things you've said regarding the alignment of other people.

To add you're one of the people I'd peg 50/50 on listing scum first, and you might see why I'm getting very concerned with what I'm seeing.

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To be fair it's actually a decent strategy. Powerbus one person you tell to act scummy for massive town cred, since you only need one scum in the circle of trust to win (although it sounds like it's not a guaranteed victory).

That being said, would Pine's ego let him be powerbussed? Hmmm. I dunno.

I have more obvious things on my plate atm though before I descend into raw paranoia.

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Vote: GreyICE

If nothing else so my wife can troll me more.

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still think nk and tl are both town over here what up

Yeah, um. I'll 50% agree with you.

Why do you think TL is town? Walk me through it. If you say "he's putting effort in this game" when it's a CYS I'm gonna rage.

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Like to go with Kuribo's theme, I got two hours of sleep last night. Sleep deprivation makes you more irritable. So you're not getting my usual sunny disposition.

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I guess I see the point that TL hasn't taken risky stances much but I think that's not surprising from town in this game. It took me a while to form like any material opinions in this game. I like 150, particularly calling one of Pine's posts a possible townslip; not a likely scum->scum interaction, and not something that i think scum points out if they see town do it (even if the townslip itself is bunk). 235 isn't a bad post either imo. 281 feels like a genuine thought that scum wouldn't think as much about, and I don't really buy that he's scum avoiding giving reads since he has now given a full reads list, justified them, and given decent answers to questions about why he has those reads. I think the way he's been scumreading katsuki is reasonable, and that katsuki is a really easy person to scumread in general if you aren't familiar with him.

Again, it's not a strong read. There are things that give me pause. 281 could potentially be scum who are more aware of the fact that scum only need one key to win because they're thinking about their own win condition, and his tone feels kinda bad in a lot of places. It's not a read I'm wed to.

You know, I was going to do a point by point on why this is bad, but that's not the point at all. My thoughts here is that this post is backfill reasoning. It's what you would get if you started with the premise "TL feels town" and then went through his ISO to justify that premise. I'm going to point out a few logical flaws here.

For instance, 150 looks like a weak fish about to think about jumping off the Pine wagon, or just general thoughts and feelings. It's not a good post, or one that sells me on much of anything (and for all I know, Pine or TL could be third party, and thus unaffiliated - or there could be two scum factions, this being a CYS which can lean heavy on scum/3P picks). 235 was AWFUL. "I don't want to scumread Alisae because Deathtunneling Pine (

the person his vote is currently on

) feels scummy" What is that exactly is good or compelling about this? The townread thing from 281 could be a genuine thought - one made before the game started. There was plenty of time to read the rules and think about the setup before you even read your role PM, and I think TL is the sort of person who enjoys that. But it does come across as mighty convienent. He didn't do much to share that, or to convince other players not to give townreads. Which could be a more passive personality. But conspicuously not pushing the town to do something he states is probably advantageous to the town is not a town read.

So you know I hate shit that is not genuine. But at the same time, Implosion, I think you were "called out" (not really my intent, but did come across that way) on a throwaway opinion you tossed out there. You then reacted predictably, by backfilling why you thought that, when my intent was really to ask if it was as true as you thought it was. So I'm going to ask that you take a long, genuine look at TL, and tell me what you think. Especially noting his vote was parked on Pine during the entire Pine wagon, and his interactions around it.

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Every time we lynch someone and banish them, scum can banish a person they choose. Which is a good reason to get the keys as fast as possible and then to open the Well of Fears; unless, of course, the keyholders are untrustworthy.

*blink*

I'm trying to decide if this is the biggest town slip I've ever seen in my entire life, or if you're a mad genius.

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Ah, that was plum.

Which... makes even less sense. You basically sat with your vote parked on someone who... is anyone scumreading Plum? You never even talked to her. I assume it was an RVS vote, but you then sat there wringing your hands all day.

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Wait, that makes zero sense. There's no RVS phase in this game, because there's no real reason to have one. Outside of initial "hi here we are" crap, you should have some basic scumreads just from the player list. Did you think Plum would pick scum? Had you played with any of these players before? Did you have any thoughts on who might have picked scum?

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You know, I was going to do a point by point on why this is bad, but that's not the point at all. My thoughts here is that this post is backfill reasoning. It's what you would get if you started with the premise "TL feels town" and then went through his ISO to justify that premise. I'm going to point out a few logical flaws here.

I mean... this isn't wrong? It *is* me back-justifying a gut townread on the slot. And I wasn't really trying to hide that?

Like I said, it's not a strong read. It's not one I'm going to actively proselytize for, but his play doesn't strike me as particularly scummy and i think there are reasons to townread him that do have some material weight.

I'd prefer you to take a closer look and give a more nuanced answer. While it may or may not affect my read on TL, depending on the content, saying "it's my gut, and I don't really care if you wagon a town read for one of our five lynches" does effect my read on you. Which is a thread I'll probably follow up on when we're getting closer to having another lynch and this isn't all just circle jerking.

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Can I also mention what a fucking useless platitude "don't do rash things like powerlynching" is? What, if someone likes picking scum in a CYS, is acting scummy, claims scummy, and doesn't show any signs of becoming a useful or contributing member, we should hold off lynching them because... I dunno, we like standing around with our dicks in our hands?

It's not like there's even any useful alternatives for what we should be doing with the time. And moreover, it's done. Maybe in the deliberate aftermath you chide people, but what's done is done. At this point it's past NAI (as the kids nowadays are calling it) and into "deliberately dragging it out." Water under the bridge. I've kvetched about bad lynches before, but at this point it's just whining for the sake of making noise - noise which contributes nothing to any substantial decision you have to make.

A good rule of scum is that if I could go over to "Mafia Discussion" and make a post that's substantially identical to the one made in a game, the post was a waste of words that exists for the purpose of being townie, and makes me want to lynch you (Newbies aside, of course). And to bring this around YEAH TL I WANT TO HANG YOU MORE.

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Have you played with Pine before?

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I'm going to contribute a video essay on Pine here that should clarify a few things.

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My answer doesn't lack nuance.
It just isn't the answer you seem to want to hear.
If there's a banish wagon on him then I'll look at him more closely but even then I don't think he's likely to ever wind up in an attempted coalition... so I don't see why you want me to put so much effort into sorting him in particular. Kinda feels like you're trying to shade me for the sake of shading me?

Call it more pushing you for the sake of determining your alignment. I have not been overwhelmed by your contribution to this game.

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Merci Madame!

This seems like fun. The only strong town read here I have is Alisae.

I do have an ability that works with yellow keys, but it's incredibly silly. I can make people swap their key with mine as long as mine is yellow. I also can just give them a yellow key if they don't have a key to swap with. Because this is super demonstrable, and not game-breaking in any way (unless I've missed something about the setup) then I'd like the key - noting I can give it to a townie with an actual real ability that uses yellow.

I'm obviously for banishing TL on general principal, although I admit to being sad we didn't bring along NK15. Not because I think he's scum (I think he's actually town) he just is the biggest distraction in this game thread and that's grinding my gears. Ah well, water under the bridge.

This also means there's resurrection mechanics just on general math principles, so c'est la vie1

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... and based on that GreyICE is more likely to be not town, too.

I don't know or care what GI is

But you are as usually completely in the dark here: My role had me choose my Four Horsemen myself in the pre-game. My win condition was not balanced against any of them being any alignment, nor could it be: the mid didnt select them. I did.

So this is an explicit third party claim?

Also sad I didn't get the key. I would rather like to get yellow keys.

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Mmm, it’s a real power. I do the same thing.

Do you think the town has two copies of that power, or that each team got one?

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I’ll be totes honest. If you banish anyone else, all that will happen is you and TL get banished. That includes me, so if you want to fire on me go for it. I trust in Kats blood lust if nothing else.

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It can’t be. And it’s not an investigation result, it just says if a key is fake.

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Finally I can start caring now that we're done with that

You're going to get lynched due to not giving a shit, and when you ask me post game if I give a shit, I really, really won't.

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Okay. I assign you this job NK15. Go forth and provide the summary.

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I’m not sold on the NK15 quick Lynch. Pine was justice. This feels like annoyance.

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I'm trying to sort who we currently have alive. We're missing Pine, TL, and Gamma Emerald. Kuribo is claimed 3rd party. With GE probably also 3rd party (that or his role is incredibly silly) we've not got a pile of 3P left unless I've really misjudged LLD. Maybe 1-2 more tops. Which would be an invitation for serious claims - the Cult of Katsuki is a given, of course.

The ones under the radar for me:

Plum - I have her as town, and probably the best of the bunch just from a "me like" perspective. But that's always a weak perspective. I think she's following, so I'm content to see more content.

MariaR - Boy now that we have a lynch I would love MariaR's apathy to vanish. It's certainly not a good time for it to stay. She's the only player in the exclusive "less posts than the moderator" club.

Skygazer - every time he posts I get the weirdest tingle. Is he town? Scum? I'm kinda leaning the latter. Do I want him alive in endgame? Ehhhh.

Now don't get me wrong here. NK15 might still be solid. I could buy scum from his play. But he is pushing people and making reads, even if everything he says hurts me. Besides you know my theory that scum can only be so wrong, and to go beyond that is a strong towntell.

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Alisae, now that we have two claimed key cops, details on your miller ability please. Exactly how does it work, as close to exact phrasing as you can get.

Preferably ASAP since the mod is at a meet, and the faster you answer the less likely I think it is to be checking things with her.

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What will really bake y'alls noodles is this: The Black Key causes it's holder to lose regardless of their faction's victory status

Someone at the circle of trust WILL be holding it when the game ends, since you cannot destroy keys and must will them on death and the sacrifice will be made

My black key is poison to all, and I'd suggest people start considering it more seriously

Okay, here's the thing. This is going to sound bad, so I'll just say it once. IDC. What you're describing is a game of hot potato. This is a game of mafia. Mafia is a more interesting game than hot potato. If the endgame becomes hot potato... oh well. Fuck it. I'll play hot potato. But for now I'll play mafia. I won't volunteer to take it, because that's literally playing against my win condition, which can get you site banned (not that it would unless zoraster is an even bigger weenie than I know he is, but w/e). Am I going to discuss a game of hot potato? No. Is anyone else? No. We're happy that way.

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Mmm, the Alisae thing sounds fairly legit, although there's a chance she ran it by LLD or winged it. What makes me wonder is if we have a cop in this game. No, don't tell me if it's you, I don't want to know yet (although christ I hope you breadcrumbed the results somewhere if you can somehow be killed) but 5 investigations when we have a 6 person circle of trust is... a lot. And I think we're fairly confident if there is a scum kill it's not every 12 day phase at this point (unless they shot Gamma Emerald and that was the flavor we got for "shot by scum"? Seems unlikely)

Mmm, although

Even that is a bit fishy given literally no one has shaded GE all game.

Honestly I'm interested in this myself

Huh, fuck he might have been shot by scum.

Why would I, if I were scum, have to lynch you?

because I've spent twelve years tearing bad scum like yourself to pieces

Every time we lynch someone and banish them, scum can banish a person they choose. Which is a good reason to get the keys as fast as possible and then to open the Well of Fears; unless, of course, the keyholders are untrustworthy.

Pine has been banished on Time Code 58.

Gamma Emerald has been banished on Time code 57.

oh boy. oh boy I might have been extremely wrong

Vote: Not Known 15

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Like, these all seem like successes. I should be feeling only more and more pleased with the gamestate! But instead I'm getting paranoid that we're on the completely wrong track.

No flip games are hard. It's super easy to get apathetic with the lack of information from flips.

Yeah, I apologize. I told Lexi I hate no-flip games, and well, here we are.

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If you lynched me for that, it'd come up for at least five years. "You remember that time katsuki and alisae lynched you just to appease me in the hopes of avoiding more trolling?"

Damn I'm really not selling my own survival here am I

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Y'know I'm practically positive your intended behavior should be to play super townie and just agree with lynches on everyone that isn't one of your horsemen, then "scumslip" on day 5 so none of them get lynched either, but this is WAY more helpful to the town than that. So I'm going to commend you.

Anyway, NK15 knows the mechanics of the scumkill and that GE was a scumkill, lets just lynch him.

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If you picked me, no ya don't. My face is a goddamn bullet catcher. I've honestly been shot more times in mafia games than anyone outside of maybe Fate or Magna.

But I honestly believe you picked 3rd party (unlike Skygazer, who I'm not sure about) so I'm chill about the whole thing. If I lose hot potato in "The Well of Fears" this game will have ended exactly as ridiculously as every AtmosFEAR game I ever played.

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You could join the NK15 wagon, if you're going to be on vacation for a week in a real time game.

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imo we should eschew normal scumhunting completely, and instead *exclusively* discuss what order we think people put things in and the implications thereof.

For instance, kuribo is probably lying about putting scum as his third choice, but is nonetheless town who ordered his picks as town > scum > third party.

Hey Implosion, what choices do you think different people put in?

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imo we should eschew normal scumhunting completely, and instead *exclusively* discuss what order we think people put things in and the implications thereof.

For instance, kuribo is probably lying about putting scum as his third choice, but is nonetheless town who ordered his picks as town > scum > third party.

Hey Implosion, what choices do you think different people put in?

Idk strongly. There isn't actually anyone in this player list that I know the preferences of well. There are some people that I decently think put town over scum but that's because I think that they're town and if someone put scum over town and was forced into town they'd probably have claimed it because of the implications.

Why?

Well you said you don't think lynching is that important, and you said you don't think voting is that important, and you said the most important thing is figuring out everyone's preference list, but you don't seem to have any thoughts on that. And you have a few thoughts, but they seem to be gut/irrelevant. And you're going VLA for a week.

So when I think "how is Implosion thinking about the game" I get a bunch of setup spec and nothing I could use to actually sort the game out as town. And that? That makes me want to lynch Implosion.

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Katsuki has entered epic troll mode, which is not helping anything.

Unvote

Our fallbacks are still Skygazer and Kuribo because no matter what we're not lynching town if we lynch those two.
I'm torn, Kuribo is more obviously trying to get himself lynched, but is the worse claimed role to have alive in LyLo. Skygazer is the better claimed role to have alive in LyLo, but is doing such amazing amounts of shitall that the only reason I don't have them pegged as lurking scum is who the fuck picks scum in a CYA to play like that? They're playing exactly like a third party with that incredibly useless role.

I'm also going to have a discussion with Lexi after the game if both those roles are really. While I agree with her encouraging apathy is a legitimate scum tactic (and is almost certainly going on here) having two roles in the game that don't care about the game much, ON TOP of no flip makes this game suck like a teenager who realized his mouth can reach his cock.

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I'd roughly order things:

Town

Hebi-chan
Plum
Alisae
MariaR
Katsuki
Not Known 15
Implosion

SCUM

Lynch this shit

Skygazer
Kuribo

I am also wondering if it's a two person scumteam, although if I believe Alisae's miller claim that's all in doubt, since a cop is a jerk role against a 2 person scumteam.
I'm struggling to see how this game could be balanced at the moment if I'm honest. I think lynching the 3rd parties might actually hit a scumbutt, because if it doesn't then I just don't know.

Although if the scum team was Pine/TL/X then that would be nice. Have I ever mentioned no-flip is a garbage mechanic I hate the fuck out of?

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Then your activity superstars like Not Known and Maria can go to endgame while scum picks off GreyICE and implosion and anyone else who's bothering to post

Do you think implosion is planning to submit a kill on himself

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Fuck, if you removed ABR from a game I was in I know I'd never lynch you. And if he's scum too, added bonus.

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Hey Implosion, since you're just hanging around, do you think Plum would pick scum?

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I don’t know plum

I don’t think she *did* pick scum

Why?

Oh,

reasons

.

They look something like this:

Vote: Implosion

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Um

What does the claimed third party with the totally irrelevant win condition want to explain to us

[GreyICE]

No. I will not lynch implosion here.

I neighborized implosion, he neighborize plum.

Pick someone else.

Then we'll get someone else's vote.

NK15! I want a scum lynch today. Fuck poking useless 3rd party dips, all that will happen is a townie will die and we'll have the same shit tomorrow. We can always throw the third parties into the fires later. Come, join us.

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MariaR! Alisae! We're not fucking about with 3rd parties today. It is an absolute, utter waste of time when we know they exist, they claimed of their own volition, and there's no particular reason to think they're antitown (and plenty of reasons to think they're not, as an 8v5 is just nonsensical and not mafia). Lets do something real today. We can send the third parties to the games or whatever and lynch them if they have keys on them. It's way better.

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Kuribo! You picked Kats, me, and Skygazer. Unless Impy is the secret 4th horseman, you might as well vote for him since lnyching any non-horseman is playing to your win condition. What do you say?

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Skygazer! The longer you live, the more information you have to make your guess. Going noise in this town is that we should lynch Kuribo or you because you're 3P. Not only is you getting lynched mean you have to make the guess now, Kuribo will provide you zero information. Scum don't care if he dies. Town doesn't care if he dies. Hell, Kuribo doesn't care if he dies. No one cares, there's no alignment to be had.

This wagon is not on you, and is full of information. These are two good things for your win condition. Come, join.

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Oh sweet it’s the Mafia rolecop. Let’s lynch.

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I sure as hell don’t care. It’s a cop! That finds out pick order! Or is it role? Who knows? Let’s just make up claims as we go along.

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Like... in what universe would we care about what information you bring us? I don’t. Because guess what, we can’t even check it by lynching you or Implosion, and you just claimed to be out of shots, so that’s useless. So guess what I’ll do. Ignore it.

Pedit: so you’re a JOAT with two similar but useless abilities. Great. Scum claim JOAT more often than they claim anything besides bulletproof. Fry for all I care.

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Like... you do realize your role claim isn’t even compatible with Alisae’s wording of her miller, right? You find out pick order, apparently, but she appears as scum to all investigations. So what, you’d get back “scum” instead of an actual order? And what’s the rolecop? Also “scum”?

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Uh huh. Ever see the Rock do “it doesn’t matter what you think”?

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Like, go look up “lynch all liars”. Then note you claimed to be lying. That’s what’s going to happen to you and the odds we ever believe you.

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the GI shade hebi mentioned was partially me fuming but also i don't think he genuinely scumreads me this fervently as town here. I just think it's a bullshit read.

Hey, claim I got lucky in the postgame and I didn’t have a good reason to think you were scum. That’s what your boy Pine did when we lynched him day 1 before. Also called our hydra a serial killer, because “we were playing like a third party” and BOY that kid plays to type.

I really don’t care if I lynch scum for the wrong reasons.

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i'm just going to ignore GI posts for the rest of the game because if i don't i'm going to be too annoyed to play.

Good for you, I'll help you out!

Kuribo, lets lynch this scumfuck.

[GreyICE]

MariaR! Alisae! We're not fucking about with 3rd parties today. It is an absolute, utter waste of time when we know they exist, they claimed of their own volition, and there's no particular reason to think they're antitown (and plenty of reasons to think they're not, as an 8v5 is just nonsensical and not mafia). Lets do something real today. We can send the third parties to the games or whatever and lynch them if they have keys on them. It's way better.

I don’t want to lynch Implosion. Do you have an alternative I might be interested in?

I might be sellable on a skygazer wagon, but first I want to talk to you about this one, since you don't seem to like it. Why is your town read so strong?

I'm not going to dispute some of the things Implosion says are good. He's not a stupid person, he's not going to be stupid as scum either. I'm not saying his setup stuff is wrong - being scum doesn't mean you can't understand the setup. But I'd like you to go through and really, really look at his posts. Is anything there insightful? Or is it all surface stuff? I scratched the surface when I asked him to expand on the TemporalLich townread, and what I got was sheer nonsense written to appease me. That's not my interpretation, he admitted as much.

Why are his reads so surface and shallow? Why did he want to appease me? Why is he "so frustrated with me he can't talk to me"? I'd just like you to go through, and really think if anything he said about people - not the setup, not the rules, not the structure of mafia, but the people and personalities - that shows really, really deep insight. Or is it mostly surface shit - Pine is ridiculous, TL is "gut town", NK15 is "gut town", etc. Would he need to read anyone's posts in these game to make those posts? Would he really need to think about them?

I don't see any evidence he's playing like that. I think he's put lots of time into figuring out how to win the game, yes. What were the results of that?

1-shot neighborizer

that can steal a key from the person in the neighborhood

, used on plum.

Given that (1) GI can confirm his ability and (2) i'm sure there are other ways to swap keys around if he doesn't/if he turns out to be scum who knows the yellow key is real/a third party who needs it for something, i'm in principal fine with him taking it conditional on him immediately swapping it to a townread that isn't solely decided by him (

i'd be fine w/ plum if not me

).

He's worked REAL hard to make sure he has access to a key come "Well of Fears", hasn't he? He's cared about two things - knowing if keys are real, and making sure he has access to a key. He hasn't cared about lynches, he hasn't cared about who is town or scum, he hasn't cared enough to make a reads list, he hasn't cared enough to work with his town reads, he is demotivated and doesn't seem to give a fuck about much of anything. Except making sure he has that real key, right?

unless scum have the ability to like, steal the real key from someone at the last second... which i doubt.

1-shot neighborizer

that can steal a key from the person in the neighborhood

, used on plum.

He's a REAL cheeky scumfuck, ain't he? So why wouldn't I lynch him, exactly?

[GreyICE]

Okay, take your time. I took a while writing that, the only thing that would annoy me is if you just blew it off.

But don't feel this is a debate where you have one side or I have the other. I have a very, very firm opinion about Implosion at this point, but I could be wrong. But unless you have something from the moderator saying otherwise, so could you.

[GreyICE]

Thank you for taking the time to read, Alisae. I really do appreciate it.

[GreyICE]

As for reading Katsuki, I'm not Kuribo, but I also am not third party, so take this for what it's worth. I've hydraed with Kats before, and I've played in many games. The strong early day 1 energy, and a lot of the posts indicate to me that Katsuki is town. His preference on alignments is eh, whatever, like it wouldn't surprise me if he put any of the three first, but I think town. Town Katsuki ebbs and flows as a player, often with the energy of the town - the more high energy the town is, the more high energy Katsuki tends to be. Scum Katsuki marches to a different drummer, more based on how he feels the game is flowing for his team.

I also have a bit of a reason I don't fully want to discuss at the moment for thinking he's town. If I'm alive tomorrow I'll explain it, but I don't really want to discuss it at the moment. It's not anything certain, it's an indication.

[GreyICE]

I think judging by my own role tho, I think the person who is meant to look bad is 100% me

Would you believe that your claim of being a Miller before more than two other people posted looks better than the claimed third party/town bulletproof cop/pick order cop/rolecop/JOAT claim?

[GreyICE]

okee he true claimed; forgot about his event-avoidance thing and was like !! but it's all there

including the name

Wait. Be very extremely specific. What do you mean "including the name"?

[GreyICE]

Skygazer, you decided to sit out playing the game for... honestly, most of it. In order to do nothing. By the time you claimed 3rd Party, Gamma Emerald had already been shot, you unclaimed before scum got another shot. So your idea that you were "dodging a kill" is literally nonsensical, since at no point during the time you were claiming third party did scum have a kill available.

You then brought back your investigative result which was "Implosion's role looks really scummy. That means he's probably town!" You are now offended we are not listening to you, not paying attention to you, and do not give two fucks about your stupid shenanigans. What we can say is that

at best

you have poor judgment, at worst you're actively trying to deceive us. Neither is a strong incentive to give a fuck. That's what happens when instead of playing the game, you dropped a drama bomb. Town, scum, third party, whatever, you done fucked up. I don't know if this is a scum gambit, derptown, some third party nonsense shenanigans, and frankly I don't care. None of this is fucking useful

You lynch all liars, because there's one faction that's thinking "what lies will get me best through this game". They select lies that they think will give them the highest odds of survival and the highest odds of winning. You claimed third party when there was significant pressure on you to do something. Now you've unclaimed it, begged for a key, and presented us with this useless pile of WIFOM.

You're not getting a key. You are dying. If you really are town, you can go make yourself useful before you die. If you're scum, you can keep whining about it. Neither will do shit to change the outcome that you yourself have set in stone.

[GreyICE]

So scum skygazer claimed to try and save town implosion?

Hah, no, that didn't happen. If Sky is scum, guess who the buddy is.

[GreyICE]

So scum skygazer claimed to try and save town implosion?

Hah, no, that didn't happen. If Sky is scum, guess who the buddy is.

Sky + NK15 + implosion

EZ PZ

Cool so help me with Implosion. He’s not one of your horsemen, you’ve claimed third party, let’s do this.

[GreyICE]

If Implosion knew that she already had a key it gives us the minimal amount of information about possible buddies. If he gives it to a buddy oddly, they come under suspicion, if he gives it to town, well, that's an obvious drawback.

[GreyICE]

Oh wow I just realized phone posters can't read this, and they're going to have to do something special to do so. I'm so happy.

[GreyICE]

Yeah, I think I'd prefer alisae just because in the abstract alisae is probably less likely to pick scum than Katsuki. But I feel like I could go either way.

[GreyICE]

VOTE: Katsuki

[GreyICE]

"This is fine" that it's going to the person you're voting for.
If you're scum trying to make me paranoid of Katsuki, well, congratulations, every bit of paranoia sense I have is tingling. If there's any other explanation for your actions, including that you're group scum with Katsuki, boy howdy do I hate your play.

[GreyICE]

Can you walk me through this one, I literally see this not at all.

[GreyICE]

GreyICE what banish order and coalition wins the game

Some mix of me, you, Plum, Katsuki, Hebi (she's been BURIED at work recently, trust me, I'm her roommate) and MariaR (whether you think Skygazer is town or scum, MariaR is almost assuredly town). Obviously Kuribo is third party (I want to see this QT with MariaR) and if you pointed a gun at me and made me pick NK15 or Skygazer, it'd be NK15 10 times out of 10. He's been actually posting things that look like he's solving the game, and some if it is insightful. I'd be willing to bet at this point he's 90% likely to be town.

Assuming the entire scumteam isn't dead, eh, skygazer is the obvious banish. Beyond that, I'm really at a loss. If there's still scum alive, I've screwed up my reads somewhere, and that means reevaluating most things.

[GreyICE]

Oh yeah I kinda want to mention something
Pine had an ability that could make people drop a key and could be used 3 or 2 times?
Yeah um
How would that work in this setup?

Boy howdy, I have no idea how the untargetable, uninvestigatable keydropper would work in a bastard setup. How much of his claim do I even believe.

[GreyICE]

My role name is Cockatrice (because they’re cool). I was a bit JOAT-like, but...not? 3-shot reflexive immunity to events targeting me, 2-shot make someone drop a key

Like... whatever.

Still think there's a resurrection mechanic thanks to no-flip and the fact this is a bastard game and the fact that being "banished to the black hole" is a temporary fate people come back from all the time, so just because someone is guaranteed to die doesn't mean I believe shit they say. Especially especially in no-flip when people might go back and look at your reads.

[GreyICE]

Yes, it always is in the AtmosFEAR board game - people get "released from the black hole".

Well, really, actually usually everyone gets released from the Black Hole, but if that happens here I quit.

[GreyICE]

Oh the mechanics of this game are based on a board game? and here I thought Lexi just wanted to troll this whole time.

Wynaut both?

Oh trust me, this is a game that exists to troll people: https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/124 ... board-game

I just assume there will be a certain flavor to how we're getting trolled.

[GreyICE]

I was about to ask you who you even res
But then I realized the answer would just be Gamma Emerald

But what if scum gamma shot himself so we'd rez him?

WIFOM EVERYWHERE

(that would honestly be the most troll thing in the universe)

[GreyICE]

Welcome to AtmosFEAR, where the flips are made up and the votes don't matter.

[GreyICE]

Hm. My instincts are that we’re being played, and something good has happened for scum.

Hebi! I order you to stop reading if you see any variation on or indication of the word “order”.

[GreyICE]

That's so uncreative.

Hebi, I order you to list every member of the mafia team.

Uh oh, Hebi can't read this.

[GreyICE]

Dude, Lexi stuck Kuribo in a quicktopic with Maria so he had to post everything through the person who never posts. 99% of this game is fucking trolling. We either embrace the insanity or fall to it.

[GreyICE]

Besides, if Hebi has to post her actual role and her actual alignment honestly, on mod punishment, it'll be the first fucking thing resembling a piece of useful information we've gotten all game.

[GreyICE]

Oh trust me, this is reasonably balanced for a bastard game. I've seen a few where the town legitimately had no shot, or the scum were all eliminated by total bullshit, or where town's best hope for victory was the various scum and third parties started fighting each other more than the town.

[GreyICE]

Like, it's a (small) possibility that we've eliminated all scum and there was no kill because the scum didn't want to kill.

Which I feel like clears you, Alisae, and Katsuki from being scum.

[GreyICE]

Maybe that's a bit fast of me, but I feel like if there's a scum non-keyholder, they want to shoot one of the keyholders. Now there's other things that might happen to a night kill (and I don't overly want to discuss it unless we mass claim) but if scum held their shot they almost certainly already have a key.

Why did it go to MariaR yesterday?

[GreyICE]

NK-15, I request that you request yourself to take the bait, then take the bait.

[GreyICE]

NK15 - I request that you make the most logical request you could think of to yourself and then execute the most logical request you could think of in the most logical manner you think a requester could ask of the requestee

[GreyICE]

NK-15, I request that you request yourself to take the bait, then take the bait.

I don't follow this instruction, so I have no idea if you're doing the thing or not you monster.

Fuck. Need to read this when I'm not on my way to work lol.

LOOK I CAN TROLL TOO

Hey does the request count if its in a different language?

[GreyICE]

I mean in our last one we gave Nacho a role where he could only post "I AM GROOT" and for his role PM, we wrote it out then replaced all the text with "I AM GROOT" except for his ability, which was "WE ARE GROOT". This included his win condition since he was third party (although he did know that he targeted a player).

So yeah, roles don't have to make sense or be fun. Although in fairness Nacho said he loved the role since he didn't have to care about anything, was immortal, and could show up to post I AM GROOT

[GreyICE]

I'm pretty sure we're just supposed to lose this

[GreyICE]

This isn't really a game of mafia so much as an exercise in stupidity.

[GreyICE]

With our luck we'll find out Kuribo is a cult leader or some shit.

[GreyICE]

Bad game bad life

[GreyICE]

Okay, mod lynch

VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta

the true scum

[GreyICE]

Oh god what fresh hell have we unleashed

[GreyICE]

[GreyICE]

[GreyICE]

fine, fine

Vote: Skygazer

[GreyICE]

*sigh*

So Maria, are you some third party bullshit too?

Because it would at least confirm everything Skygazer says is utter horseshit.

[GreyICE]

Skygazer has been banished on time code 34. I will update things when I am less sick, but the ORANGE key is now up for vore with 7 alive.

*NOM ORANGE KEY*

[GreyICE]

Merci Madame

This game is so much trolling.

So how do we resurrect NK15 and Gamma? Give them keys?

[GreyICE]

In what universe would we believe that, giving your claim to be "town cop"?

[GreyICE]

Hey mod, if you let all the scum come back, can you let Kuribo post again? I need someone else at a similar level of anger as me when dealing with this horseshit. Katsuki is busy laughing too hard.

[GreyICE]

Damn it Kats, you have to post that when you're the only non-ghost person I don't fully trust not to be pulling the wool over my eyes...

[GreyICE]

u mad bro

[GreyICE]

Can we try voting to give the key to NK15? I think that might resurrect him.

Key Vote: NK15

[GreyICE]

oh for fucks sake it's another board game

[GreyICE]

[GreyICE]

Guess whose key cop ability doesn't work like the others.

I have a key cop that works on a key I'm holding. TL has a key cop that works on a key he's holding. Implosion has a key cop that works on any key no matter who is holding it, and can steal a key.

How does yours work?

[GreyICE]

okay yeah town isnt winning this !!

implo is conftown to me

...

Okay, I've apparently been forgetting claims somewhere in this morass of a game thread, so I actually went back and checked this:

okee he true claimed; forgot about his event-avoidance thing and was like !! but it's all there

including the name

Wait. Be very extremely specific. What do you mean "including the name"?

i received implo's full role pm

with alignment redacted

And that's my duties in humoring claimed scum for the next whatever length of time.

[GreyICE]

idunno team, I don't think we'll be able to stop her
she seems to be running all over us
I think its the end

Wait, none of us are in her quicktopic, so we can't be scum!

[GreyICE]

Problem is iirc none of those are ghosties
Sky pls give reasons to keep each of Pine, TL, and Implo alive

Like... why wouldn't you keep NK15 alive here if you had a chance. Like why. Did you see how he died? What are the fucking odds that's a scum gambit vs. virtually mod confirming him town?

Christ Gamma, you are literally listening to someone who has changed her claim more often than she changes underpants. I'm not looking to bag on you here, but please listen to virtually ANYONE else.

[GreyICE]

He tried to use the mechanic to reveal his alignment and got banished for using it on game-relevant information. Not for “deliberately disobeying orders” or something like that.

[GreyICE]

I dunno, I thought that we could bring back NK15 or something, which is the only dead person I want back.

The only living people I want dead really badly are Skygaper and Kuribo, and mostly Kuribo on general principle.

[GreyICE]

Actually, wait, can't we just lynch Skygazer normally?

Vote: Skygazer

[GreyICE]

The chorus of people shitting on anything i said in this game combined with thinking that like all of the scum are getting keys demotivated me quite a bit and frankly i was quite a bit more content with the utter lack of activity in the dead thread so if you'll be so kind as to send me back there and stop waxing back and forth it'd be lovely gamma thanks

LLD, you heard the ghost, send his useless ass back to the dead thread.

[GreyICE]

kuribo looks around at the idle, disheveled mess. The thread is littered with empty food cartons, folks sleeping, and the spirits of the restless dead quack uselessly in the wind.

Y'all just let this place go to shit without me huh


Like damn, it takes a third party posting here to get y'all to talk more than once a day?

Right now the dead people are doing something, and everyone I want gone is gone, so, um, howdy!

Like I know you're banished at well, but I feel fine with that.

Although I'm sorry I don't quite take your word about anything since third party yadda yadda people tend to default to playing town yadda yadda but boy it's hard to walk past that.

[GreyICE]

Wait, if we day 1 lynched Skygazer, would we have flips this entire time?

I'M SO ANGRY

[GreyICE]

THIS IS WHY WE KILL THIRD PARTIES KURIBO

YOU NEVER MAKE ANYTHING GOOD HAPPEN FOR US

[GreyICE]

THERE IS NEVER CANDY INSIDE THAT PINATA. IT IS ALWAYS FULL OF FECES AND DESPAIR. MOSTLY FECES. THIRD PARTIES MIGHT LOOK COLORFUL BUT THEY ARE JUST NICELY WRAPPED BAGS OF POOP

[GreyICE]

Like I know you're banished at well, but I feel fine with that.

You do understand I was never banished right


I was placed in a PT with Maria (her having the least posts and me having the most) and I was only allowed to post there. By my votes were counted there.

Go check out Skygazer's lynch and tell me who the hammer was

I live, Grey, I am as alive as anyone (and more so than the ghosts)

You're. Banished. At. Well.

Like, when well happens. Because I'd have to be desperate indeed to give you a key.

[GreyICE]

I thought you wanted me to have the black key.

[GreyICE]

(Also Hebi wasn't active lurking here. LLD yelled at her to post IRL)

[GreyICE]

Ah third party. Are they town? Are they scum? Dun care, have a banana.

[GreyICE]

NK15 is so town it hurts.

No really.

It hurts.

[GreyICE]

Goddamn it, all my town reads off the Pine wagon are gone BECAUSE HE WAS THIRD PARTY SCUM.

Also sorry Implosion.

Damn it, could there only be two scum? If there's 3 scum, and Kuribo is third party, that's 7:3:3, which is awful.

[GreyICE]

Hell no. There's currently at least one scum alive. Outside of our group is Kuribo and Katsuki. I don't think it's a Katsuki/TL scumteam.

It could also be 3 scum, but at that point we have to go back to "what the fuck is a 7:3 anyway, town suicide?"

[GreyICE]

Actually. Popcorn.

I'm Leprechaun, town urban culture expert, from Leprechaun 5 in da hood (an excellent movie you should all watch). I can learn if a key I hold is fake (I get fake or "no result"), I have a neighborizor ability that allows me to neighborize someone once per game phase, and I have an ability named "Gold Fever" that lets me, when I'm holding the gold key, swap a key with any other player (or give it to them if they don't possess a key).

Popcorn to Plum.

Pedit: They literally can shoot enough players that we couldn't bring 6 town to the well. On day 2. That's STUPID. 8:2 is similar to 7:2, a fairly usual setup (and town will be weaker because 3rd parties are invariably of little use to the town).

[GreyICE]

Go me

[GreyICE]

And two

[GreyICE]

GE, I know you're newer here, but we don't discuss claims during popcorn

[GreyICE]

words

[GreyICE]

I'm super glad you're engaged with the game and paying attention.

I pick Alisae, mostly because if I wait for Hebi to post hell will literally freeze over, she's back to 4 days inactive.

[GreyICE]

*sigh*

[GreyICE]

And now hebi has a black key

[GreyICE]

lol

[GreyICE]

Meep Meep

Ugh that’s everyone I should have thoughts.

[GreyICE]

Yeah, I'm gonna second Plum. Town explains what the hell happened.

Vote: Maria

PEDIT: CLEARS BY A THIRD PARTY
ARE WORTH LESS THAN SHIT

[GreyICE]

Oh great, secret ability no one can mention or discuss. And a verification by two third parties or something like that.

What the fuck is this dumb horseshit.

Unvote

I'm thoroughly disgusted by this game, which I suppose is the entire point.

[GreyICE]

Okay, Maria, there's a simple fact. Scum Katsuki never forgoes killing people if he doesn't have a key.

That's it, that's the simple fact. Scum never doesn't kill if they don't have a key. So... what the fuck. Why would Katsuki not kill anyone?

[GreyICE]

*sigh*

Okay this game will go down as pure cancer no matter what. 7:2:4 roflmao. Fucking people picking third party cancer sacks. Alisae was confirmed town off that sadly, but then she killed herself so OH NO SHE WAS OBVIOUSLY TOWN BECAUSE WE CAN'T LITERALLY HAVE ALL THIRD PARTIES but she goes and kills herself anyway.

Anyway, the correct point is no more sacrifices, lynch here. Because if we mislynch, the mislynched player can still will their keys to town. Then the scum get to shoot, but the shot player could still will their keys to town. Then I assume the game resets, we rerandomize roles, and do it all again because fuck the police.

Anyway, I'm going to go out on the safest limb ever and say that Gamma Emerald did not choose to do an N1 sacrifice gambit and leave the entire game in the hands of his partner Temporal Fucking Lich. So he's confirmed town.

One of Plum and Hebi is scum, and TL knows who.

[GreyICE]

VOTE: Plum

Something doesn't feel right here.

Okay, we're going to let you guys in on a little secret. It's not much of a secret, don't tell, but here it is. This is a tell that only works on bad scum.

See, during RVS town votes someone for whatever reason. Scum, on the other hand, have a binary choice - do you vote your partners, or do you not vote your partners? That's kind of 50:50 in your head. But in reality it's more like 10:2 (or 11:1 if you're playing this game) so it doesn't look good at all.

Then we have scum tend to find things scum do scummy because of perception bias, and his "something doesn't feel right here" and I'd wager better than 50% his partner is plum.

I'm gonna bite the bullet and vote a good townread...

VOTE: implosion

Quality ISO, setup spec, and 317.

I could also go for hebi tbh

VOTE: hebichan

hey if even implosion wants this, might as well

Hebi is town.

Vote: Plum

Sorry, I think your game if you're scum is personally fantastic, but I don't read people in LyLo based on their posts, I read them based on other people's. If I haven't lynched them already, I'm misreading them.

[GreyICE]

Oh and if Gamma wins this on the most balls-crazy sacrifice gambit ever... w/e

[GreyICE]

I've played with Gamma Emerald, Skygazer, and MariaR before... They don't strike me as scum pickers.

The only mention of Gamma in his entire ISO.

You ignore your one lonesome partner, don't even think about your relationship to them in a game where it's you two versus the world?

Or do you figure GE is never going to pick scum and is never getting lynched and is a fine shot for N1?

Hmmm.

Or.

Unvote

What are the odds that we had no scum kill because both scum were dead up until today?

[GreyICE]

ugh.

um.

It's really not Hebi because of TL's posts.
I want to read plum as town
evidence points to both scum being dead for a significant length of time

hmmm

this is MUCH closer than I thought.

[GreyICE]

Like, no one on this planet would trust TL to win this game. I mean all that has to happen for gambit-you to get ultra fucked is Imp picks you instead of TL because NK15 is his strongest town read, and he expects you to pick TL over NK15. Then you'd have to pick NK15 to kill, and TL would come back to life for approximately 0.001 seconds.

Hmmm. There's a really good chance that if the scum knew about resurrection they'd know two dead scum would practically control resurrection.

I'd much rather vote GE, so he can shoot scum

ehhhhhh... this is scary.

Huh.

This is like... tough.

[GreyICE]

Christ.

I do not have a good read.