Open 762: CK9++ [Over!]

[Sakura Hana]

How am I disproving my own points?

I mean you say he's only talked about you and then you quote a post where he talks about rick when making your next point.

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You know i find it kinda funny, D1 i accused you of TRing Fish via TMI, and now Fish is accusing you of TMI.
Why do I mention this?
In that post you said that sheeping by definition is not attempting to sort, i said i was sheeping rick on you beforehand, and your response to me is to say i suck at mafia.
It's quite interesting.

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Oh wait at mafia "THE GAME"

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In that post you said that sheeping by definition is not attempting to sort, i said i was sheeping rick on you beforehand, and your response to me is to say i suck at mafia.
It's quite interesting.

Yes. I fail to see how saying you suck at mafia the game in a fit of rage for your incorrect sheep vote is incompatible with my thoughts that sheeping is not sorting.

It means you shouldn't be thinking im town, but somehow you do, i wonder why.

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Also wait, why did ur reaction to my sheep vote take so long then.

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Oh ok, nvm then. I completely misread your post.

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oof, another self resolving claim. ok
VOTE: persivul

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oof, another self resolving claim. ok
VOTE: persivul

What is actually your opinion of my case on Persivul now that you know not to misread it and now that I have narrowed our focus?

Could care less about your case, he's not in the town bloc, he's also part of Rick's potential scumteam, and he's voting me, All good reasons tbh.

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To clarify, i still think you and drew have a decent chance of being scum, but if you're town, then scum wants you dead as much as i do, so i wont be doing their job for them.

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coz it's fun.

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Fun Fact: I still haven't read the setup.

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The only thing i read was check if Cop was a possibility before i made my gambit, but i've made no effort in finding out all potential setup options.

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Inb4 we wagon like 100 ppl and all of them claim some sort of PR.

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tbh, i actually havent been paying attention to any sort of crumbs or anything about people hinting towards their PRs, I feel like that's only useful as scum, I only pay attention to potential investigation crumbs after someone dies. Then persivul comes right at me with the idea that "OMG HE'S OBVIOUSLY CRUMBING COP, YOU'RE SCUM THAT SAW THE CRUMB AND WANT HIM TO CLAIM" or something.

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i don't get why we can't just lynch the claimed doctor !!!

To clarify, i still think you and drew have a decent chance of being scum, but if you're town, then scum wants you dead as much as i do, so i wont be doing their job for them.

[Sakura Hana]

I actually agree with persivul

I am not PGO or Vengeful

UNVOTE:

[Sakura Hana]

1735 Is a good plan imo.

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Also gob reacting like this when persivul is voting me instead of them, lol.

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if you look at it this way, scum wont know which of the 2 it is, and probably wont shoot them anyway in fear of the player shooting them back as a PGO.

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Also gob's reaction was unbelievably shitty

I agree.

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Here's an idea: don't leave extra scum KP alive

VOTE: Gook

I am on board with this idea
VOTE: gob

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It's fine FF gob claimed SK.

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Although i guess SK throws my idea that he had TMI out of the window.

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So uh, does SK change the ammount of groupscum we have? i forgot how this game works.

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ok so that means it's 7-2 right now then.

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ok so that means it's 7-2 right now then.

Yep.
Who do you want to lynch today, Sakura; what’s your scumpool at the moment?

I'm currently of the idea of following the townbloc tactic.

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Also Gamma, your crumbs were a bit too obvious, im not sure if i noticed coz i was faking a guilty and you used the same crumb when you said you "trusted me".

Anyway i think i just want to lynch everyone outside of Me, Gamma, Chemist, FF, Rick, Spangled.
Does that work?

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Spangled (IC)
Chemist (Claim doesnt come from scum)
Gamma (Claim crumb was obvious i doubt that's scum).
Me (Duh)
FF and Rick (Towniest)

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Heck if it's 2 scum left im pretty sure we can even lynch FF and Rick and still win.

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VOTE: James
Ill vote this for now.

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Heck if it's 2 scum left im pretty sure we can even lynch FF and Rick and still win.

Oh wait no i miscounted a bit, i think.
Ah well i doubt it'll matter, unless someone has a severe issue with either of those 2 in the townbloc.

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Heck if it's 2 scum left im pretty sure we can even lynch FF and Rick and still win.

Nah we need to find one town outside of the clears

Shouldn’t there be one more PR?

Idk the setup enough for that xD

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So today's the day to speak up if you have an issue with someone in the townbloc, and it better be a good reason.

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If we count everyone in the townbloc literally as town, then there's 2 scum out of the 3 of Sky, James and persivul if i didnt miss anyone.

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groupscum is the denomination to scum that's part of a team.
soloscum is the denomination to scum that is self-aligned
scum is just the grouping for all of them.

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I'm probably too used to playing closed games.

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Well that just means all the 3 leftovers are scum unless FF or Rick is scum, everyone else is pretty much impossible to be scum.

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i think it's good odds tbh.
If one of rick or FF is scum it's still 66% chance of hitting scum randomly in the other 3, and if we guess wrong and hit town then that confirms there's scum in the townbloc.

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Here's my opinion:
If you're in the leftover 3 and you're town, you know 100% there's scum in the townbloc, so try to figure out who it is and make a case for it, also make a case for yourself as town and make a case for the other 2.
I want to have all possible information out today so we can easily win this from here.

[Sakura Hana]

Not Voting (8): Skellen

lol

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Sakura, who do you think is cleared that hasn't been noticed as a cleared person yet?

If it take a wild guess, FF

[Sakura Hana]

Could someone remind me as to all of the claims that have floated around?
Is it only Chemist, Drew, Gamma and Gobble who have claimed?
Am I missing someone?

2 of those are dead.

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Sakura, who do you think is cleared that hasn't been noticed as a cleared person yet?

If it take a wild guess, FF

No. Think about claimed actions.

You inno on me
Chemist me didnt go anywhere N1.
Dr drew healed James
Turkey shot implosion and got lost it's 1S BP.

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I thought i was noticed tho, so i thought gamma was talking about someone else.

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got lost it's 1S BP.

Forgot about this
But why are you voting Jamesout of your suspects when a protection was claimed on him?

He's the least townie of the 3, tbf i forgot the heal, but turkey's the one who claimed being shot so i didnt care who drew healed, it's not like drew cant heal scum.

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How do tailors work anyway.

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Each night phase, you may forge a result on a player of your choice. This result will apply to all Investigative roles that check that player.

Like how does this work.

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Like how does that "apply to all investigative roles", does that mean a player could become a godfather ninja or something.

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that sounds OP af.

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(and borderline bastard)

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Imagine if scum had crafted me appear as scum targeting gob on the night i was checked by both the cop and the tracker and i'd have no way of defending about it.

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But although.
Would scum resort to roleblocking gamma if there's a tailor?

[Sakura Hana]

Millers, (and framed players), always appear guilty to all investigative roles.
- A Miller/Framed Player will always appear to be "Not Town" to a Cop.
- A Miller/Framed Player will always appear to have visited a player who was nightkilled to a Tracker.
- A Miller/Framed Player will always appear to not be a Vanilla Townie to a Neapolitan.
- A Miller/Framed Player will always appear to have a gun to a Gunsmith.
- Players who have a tailor forge an Innocent result on them will always appear innocent to all investigative roles.
- An Innocently Tailored Player will always appear to be "Town" to a Cop.
- An Innocently Tailored Player will always appear to not have visited any player to a Tracker.
- An Innocently Tailored Player will always appear to be a Vanilla Townie to a Neapolitan.
- An Innocently Tailored Player will always appear to not have a gun to a Gunsmith.

Oof
That's OP af yeah.
Either universal godfather or universal miller.

[Sakura Hana]

And what's worse is that a player would unknowingly be an universal miller.
That's nasty.
Well I know i wont be playing this setup again, that's too bastard for me.

[Sakura Hana]

I was checking to see if scum would choose between GF or Tailor, but seems like they dont or i missed it.

[Sakura Hana]

Alright, I’m calling Gamma’s BS.
CC cop. I checked Persivul N1 and Rick N2. They’re both town.
VOTE: Gamma

Did you crumb your persivul check somewhere in case you got NK'd?

[Sakura Hana]

Atp im more willing to believe Gamma due to how he played D2.
But since we got a CC situation here im gonna ask both of you.
@Gamma why did u check me N1?
@James why did u check Persivul and Rick?

[Sakura Hana]

If Gamma's scum he's been planning this fake cop thing since like start of D2, meanwhile your play doesnt look like a cop at all (which i guess it's a good thing if you are actually one, but doesnt make your claim more credible).

[Sakura Hana]

Meanwhile James' claim comes at a time when he and 2 others have been PoE'd out so it could be a hail mary kind of claim, I'll need to look at ISOs more.

[Sakura Hana]

Tracker is impossible to prove without a flip and really doesn’t tell us anything. I’m going to act like nothing’s there.

Does this come from someone that is a cop?

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Pers I’ve been kinda ignoring. He strikes me as the kind of guy who just screws around as either alignment. I need to ISO him though.

Does a cop talk like this about their green check?

[Sakura Hana]

And so you as a cop ignored this?

VOTE: Fish

Why

Secret reasons maybe?

Okay
VOTE: Fish

Thats a pretty quick turn on a top town read for you being called to the carpet on "secret reasons"

Thats strong stuff. Does it beat super secret reasons for me being town?

I have super secret reasons to trust Sakura

[Sakura Hana]

Out of curiosity, why are YOU defending Gamma?

Because I belive him more than you.

[Sakura Hana]

Cop/tracker is Gamma by the way

Also since Gob is a FUCKING MORON I might as well claim. Yes I am cop and I got Sakura town n1. Got no result last night on Persivul which is why I'm so pissed at Gob.

Also this doesnt look like a fake reaction.
Even gob noticed Gamma was an investigative of some sort.

[Sakura Hana]

Well doesnt matter what James screams or doesnt scream, we'll have a confirmed scum today or tomorrow, it's not LyLo after all.
If James is town, then i may be wrong on FF since that clears 2 slots on the PoE i had, if James is scum, it's safe to ignore anything he's said today including any "clears" as that's all WIFOM.
P-Edit: yeah what chemist said.

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Cop/tracker is Gamma by the way

Also since Gob is a FUCKING MORON I might as well claim. Yes I am cop and I got Sakura town n1. Got no result last night on Persivul which is why I'm so pissed at Gob.

Also this doesnt look like a fake reaction.
Even gob noticed Gamma was an investigative of some sort.

Scum obviously didn’t, since he’s not DEAD.

I love how your counter here isnt trying to debunk that it wasnt fake, nor that he's a cop, but trying to say scum didnt notice it.

[Sakura Hana]

If James is scum his clears probably include the Godfather/tailored mafia

So he can clear a buddy without being outed by their flip

Just thoughts

I think it's just pure WIFOM and ill continue working my PoE if that's the case.
He can't escape as scum because even if we lynch Gamma and Gamma flips town, he's conf scum next day so it's all WIFOM coming out of his mouth.
If we lynch him and he flips town cop then his clears are more clear, if that's even... a word.

IMO Scum's just pulling a hail mary here to try to get 1 of the ppl in the townbloc lynched, regardless optimal solution here is to lynch James first, here's why:
If James is scum, he's trying to take down the cop with him in a lynch, and so we need to avoid that at all costs.
If James is town, that's a lot of info we get from him, and even if we lynched Gamma first is more likely scum just RB or kill him tonight.

[Sakura Hana]

Cop/tracker is Gamma by the way

Also since Gob is a FUCKING MORON I might as well claim. Yes I am cop and I got Sakura town n1. Got no result last night on Persivul which is why I'm so pissed at Gob.

Also this doesnt look like a fake reaction.
Even gob noticed Gamma was an investigative of some sort.

Scum obviously didn’t, since he’s not DEAD.

I love how your counter here isnt trying to debunk that it wasnt fake, nor that he's a cop, but trying to say scum didnt notice it.

I love how your counter here is that Gamma’s claim was so obvious that everyone noticed it, when mechanically speaking that’s absurd.

Well i did notice it.

[Sakura Hana]

I do agree with you on something tho, Gamma must be defending himself here, not me doing the defending.

[Sakura Hana]

Let make it very clear to you: If everything Gamma is saying is true, he should not be alive. Drew should be. So there’s no way what Gamma’s saying can be true. And I think YOU know it!

There's no absolutes.

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And you trying to pass it off as Gamma being alive being proof that Gamma is scum just goes to show your scum plan like an open book.
And it also shows that you got no actual reasoning to back up you being a cop over Gamma.

[Sakura Hana]

So here's why I believe Gamma over James:

• James has no crumbs of his inno anywhere in his ISO, Gamma does.
  
• James tries to pass off him not treating his inno like an inno as him "hiding his role".
  
• James not having anything that proves he was getting results and acting like an actual cop because he was "flying under the radar"
  
• James CC coming coincidentially when he was getting PoE'd out, similarly completely ignoring Gamma's crumb (If he was a real cop he'd have seen it sooner than anyone), he only focused on my gambit
  which had the same crumb btw.
  
  
• His overall play being scummier than Gamma's.

With this im done talking with James, i believe he's just scum at this point and it's pointless to try to convince scum that they are scum.

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Oh and using NKA as an Absolute.

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Oh and using NKA as an Absolute.

Oh and if he was a real cop he wouldnt forget about the 1S tracker.

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I haven't done actual casing in forever, hope that's understandable enough.
AMA.

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And you trying to pass it off as Gamma being alive being proof that Gamma is scum just goes to show your scum plan like an open book.
And it also shows that you got no actual reasoning to back up you being a cop over Gamma.

You're arguing that this is a scum plan, and it's a bad plan. Does it make sense that after talking with two other scum overnight, they'd come out with this plan? IF gamma claims cop, THEN you CC him, even though we know you didn't lay crumbs. That of course doesn't prove anything, because people do dumb shit all the time.

It's possible.
If the intent of the NK was framing someone. Which is why i always brush off NKA as WIFOM.

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Oh and using NKA as an Absolute.

Oh and if he was a real cop he wouldnt forget about the 1S tracker.

What's an unconfirmed 1X tracker got to do with it?

Doesnt the existance of the 1S tracker confirm the existance of a cop? Although i didnt realize this:

Btw there's no way both our claims are real

Actually there is - if chem's claim is false. I don't think that's the case, but it should be put out there.

[Sakura Hana]

ugh i feel like this is colors all over again.

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I think im pretty bad at these kinds of setups.

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As I said, OP, and if i had known about that beforehand (i.e. i hadnt been lazy to look at the setup) i wouldnt have in'd, mistakes have been made. I just assumed it'd be a setup like C9++ but with different roles, and nothing that BS.

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Also day's not even been open for 48 hours and already a prod xD

[Sakura Hana]

Sure, I dont mind talking, what would you like to talk about? Is it related to the PoE i proposed at the start of the day?

[Sakura Hana]

Very talkative.

[Sakura Hana]

I want to vote Sky or Persi unless i can be convinced that 1 or both of FF and Rick are scum.
Right now Sky and Persi are still in my PoE i TR everyone else higher.

[Sakura Hana]

Wait, do we autowin from here regardless?

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Also there’s that tinfoil chance of you being tailored

Yeah im aware of that.
But how do you read me regardless of the investigation.

[Sakura Hana]

Actually i dont believe James and Phil early interactions are SvS
So i think it should be pretty simple from here.

[Sakura Hana]

A tidbit from a tv cowboy, I think Fish, Sakura, and Rick Dalton’s the most dangerous townblock this side of the Mississippi.

Now, if we could only figure out if Persivul’s with us, I think this game could likely be in the bag.

I feel like i should just trust this townblock from here.

[Sakura Hana]

I feel like im the only one awake right now.
I wish someone would sanity check me, tell me if im going wrong and where and why.

[Sakura Hana]

Actually i dont believe James and Phil early interactions are SvS
So i think it should be pretty simple from here.

So what do u think of this chemist.

[Sakura Hana]

Actually i dont believe James and Phil early interactions are SvS
So i think it should be pretty simple from here.

So what do u think of this chemist.

I forgot who subbed into that slot

I’ll go back and check what you’re talking about

Rich

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Hi Almost, you've replaced into a slot that i have as high chance of being scum due to PoE, if you're town i hope you help me see the correct way.

[Sakura Hana]

Now a few questions: How did we get to lynch the SK (D2) & th Goon (D3)?? O am assuming one was a Cop guilty. Who pushed the other one and why?

Neither was a cop guilty.
The SK was being pushed as a scumread and claimed vigilante, your predecessor persivul, started a call for who was PGO or Vengeful without specifying who, and everyone started claiming whether they were that or not, and the SK gave up and claimed SK and proceeded to be lynched.
The Goon was trying to CC the cop and I brought evidence that he wasnt a real cop, and got lynched.

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Also, does Sakura agree FF & Rick are TRs? If so, why?

I felt FF's entry into the game was towny, i also ran a gambit fake cop guilty early at start of D2 on him, and his reaction looked kinda towny? although it could be NAI, thinking about it, but he's been pretty towny in his scumhunting i believe.
Rich is also pretty towny coz he came and made an entrance that on purpose gathered the spotlight on him and allowed him to scumhunt among the people focusing on him, he also found the now dead SK as the most scummy at the time based on his own scumhunting from the reactions of ppl (you can ISO him it's pretty early in his ISO)

[Sakura Hana]

If anything i think Rich's probably townier than FF, if i had to tier them.
Chemist is practically conf town on the basis of not being CC'd specially during the Cop CC 1v1, and Spangled's an IC.
Hence leaving me with basically you and sky as scum.
However if you're town i believe im wrong in either Rich or FF, maybe even both but i doubt it, so I need whoever's the town of you 2 if any to help me figure that out. Otherwise i think im just lynching you and sky.

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Granted im MOST LIKELY going to lynch Sky today, i think they are the scummier of the 2. He said he wanted to hammer James, but even then, he could've waited when Spangled said to not hammer yet.

[Sakura Hana]

*She whatever, i keep messing things up

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He was roleblocked, the SK yelled that he was the cop (and i mean, he did soft an inno on me in a very obvious way)

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for FF is hard to explain, when he was catching up, it felt like he was mindmelding with me.
for Rick well here:

I never said “no, I’m not gonna catch up.”

I am actively garnering reads from people’s reaction to me stating essentially “i will eventually catch up”.

Everyone else blew it out of proportion and I garnered a lot of reactions and a lot of statements and plays happened because of it.

I flat out

created

a scenario where we get a whole new event happening in this game and thrust myself directly into the game because of this.

Now, I am the focus of a happening in this game, that multiple people have commented on.

You’re reads, however, are incredibly political. You’re pushing it like I’ve been a dick about anything, when i’m merely playing the game. I have said nothing mean to anyone. I got specific in jest with Fishy boy, but that’s more gentle teasing than anything, whilst still getting reactions and opinions. I’ll let you know Fishy actually went up a tier on my list.

You’re pushing it like I’m playing like some despicable player who just isn’t going to play the game when that is incredibly far from the truth, and obviously so once you look at it past the surface level.

I have every intention to hard solve this game.

VOTE: Gobble

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Also i feel like phil (rick's predecessor) and James early interactions arent SvS.
Sky hammered mafia yes, but it was fake claiming cop and that ship was sinking so it's highly likely scum bussed.

[Sakura Hana]

If nothing else, read Page 80 and Page 81, and see why i believe, its possible it's a bus.

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i've wanted to lynch james since yesterday

Actually i forgot about this hmm.

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@rick do u still believe that Sky vs James is TvS?
Because if so then that'd mean fish is scum.

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Ugh i feel like if i continue down this path my head's gonna get filled with conspirancy theories and ill get nowhere.
So im just gonna wait for everyone's opinion.

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So the situation is thus.
There's 2 scum left, and 5 unconfirmed players including me, unless we lynch a godfather today which would conf town me as that would imply no tailor exists, lynching a tailor doesnt.
From my PoV it's a 50/50 chance on any of you, but i dont want to just take a shot in the dark.

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I see. And judging by 2035 nobody claimed the RB, which makes them more likely a scum RB. Right?

That is correct.

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Besides, a town roleblocker would NOT roleblock a potential cop.

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Ah it might be faster if i just tell you all claimed actions.
SK claimed to have shot implosion, also claimed to have lost his 1S BP.
Doctor claimed to have healed James
Cop claimed Inno on me N1, and roleblocked N2.
1S tracker claimed I went nowhere N1.

I think that's all the info.

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Did Gamma crumb? Wait. What day/night did he check you? And what night were you Tracked?

N1 both, he crumbed it when i was doing a fake guilty gambit.

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VOTE: Fish

Why

Secret reasons maybe?

Okay
VOTE: Fish

Thats a pretty quick turn on a top town read for you being called to the carpet on "secret reasons"

Thats strong stuff. Does it beat super secret reasons for me being town?

I have super secret reasons to trust Sakura

[Sakura Hana]

When i went to sleep i retracted the fake guilty coz i didnt want an accident happening, and shortly afterwards chemist claimed 1S tracker and that i went nowhere.

[Sakura Hana]

Do note that the possibility of Tailor or GF (which in this game give inno to cops, no visits to tracker, vt to neapolitan) so yeah.
Granted i'd think that if i was GF or gonna be tailored the last thing i'd do would be do a fake guilty gambit, plus it was clear i didnt know how tailors worked either.

But since that's just me talking about myself, im just willing to accept that im not conf town at this point.

[Sakura Hana]

Okie dokie. So you are more than rand town, and with the 1X Tracker & IC the lynch pool is exactly me/sky/ff/Rick. I think I understand. We can even afford one mislynch too, which means this game is in the bag

yup it should be autowin if i can trust at least 1 of you to be town always bet the game.

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I really would rather you read the game before you commit to a decission tho.

[Sakura Hana]

It's gonna take me some time to read 80+ pages though. I now mostly replace to sheep if the game is over 20 pages/ Nobody needs vote with me though. You can all wait for me to catch up properly if you like.

We have time and i need to read you too.

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Rick/James didn’t feel s/s to me early game. FF has been super towny. I’m withholding judgement on Persivul/A50. But Sky, now, Sky has nothing going for ‘em. VOTE: Skygazer.

Either you or chemist is dying tonight. Possibly me too if we hit a godfather.
I rather we solve the persivul/a50 situation today if at all possible. Your posts seems to indicate that you have the same PoE i do tho?

[Sakura Hana]

Guess we think the same then.

[Sakura Hana]

VOTE: FF

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Dam, i think i misspelled sky, i wonder why.

[Sakura Hana]

PI(I)M implies there are two scum so uh actually hmm

Can you please disentangle this for me.

[Sakura Hana]

IIPMTTT

Doesnt sound like 2 scum.

[Sakura Hana]

But I have a feeling sky scum wouldnt make such a mistake.
And mistakingly clear me from that.

[Sakura Hana]

Basically I have a feeling sky just townslipped and im just gonna lynch elsewhere.

[Sakura Hana]

the no visit doesnt clear me coz tailored inno/godfather appear as not visiting to trackers.
But thanks for the vote of confidence anyway.

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I don’t think it’s skygazer. I’ll try and be around throughout the day.

If it's not skygazer then it should be A50 and FF from your PoV.
Unless you think im scum that got tailored N1 or that im a godfather.

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I don’t think it’s skygazer. I’ll try and be around throughout the day.

If it's not skygazer then it should be A50 and FF from your PoV.
Unless you think im scum that got tailored N1 or that im a godfather.

godfather wouldn’t be clear to tracker

Oh! i just read it, i thought it had the same thing that tailor, you're right.
Why does this setup have to be so confusing.

[Sakura Hana]

Godfather wouldn't go anywhere so a track of the godfather would result in a no movement unless they made the kill.

Yeah i thought godfather worked like a tailored inno, but tailored inno is way more OP.

[Sakura Hana]

Well that means that if a godfather or a non tailor scum flips today im conf town.

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I think it’s weird that FF because the vote target instead of Persi who was considered more PoE

I'm not sure what you're asking me here, or if it's something you're asking in general, but i assume you're asking about why am i voting FF instead of A50.
And the answer is that i feel like A50 is a bit towny.

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Btw i just looked at skygazer's colored vote counts and i think VCA makes skygazer look better too.
He's literally been after James most of the game.

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Maybe it IS actually FF and A50 and im just reading A50 wrong.
Ugh, I hate that i need at least another bet the game townread to autowin this.

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Could sky just be that when i misinterpreted his townslip.

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Would a scum sky bother correcting me, when it doesnt do him any good.

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Am I just overthinking this, some more opinions would be nice.

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Am i getting to paranoid >_<

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Probably, unless scum has no tailor.
We discussed to a large extent tailor yesterday tho, which ended up in me complaining about the existence of such a role to begin with.

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Is that game?

Nope, if FF's town tomorrow's LyLo.

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Why does it feel like everyone's fallen off the earth until that hammer happened?
It felt like only me and chemist were around discussing stuff, then when it happens EVERYONE magically pops in.

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It's funny that I wanted to talk all weekend and no one was around.

You mean that rollover text that i didnt bother to read coz it was straining my eyes?
You havent done any opinions other than on Sky since yesterday, you could've easily dumped a reads list with reasons instead of that rollover text.

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2095 happened after i changed my opinion on Sky, you didnt offer anything new, or at least not that i can see anyway.
You didnt offer thought dumps, nor reads list, nothing. Your play has become dramatically more passive than since you replaced in.

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So if you're town stop blaming others for your mislynch, if you're scum, then sure keep spreading the twilight WIFOM.

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Sky scum slipped last page anyways

What do you mean by this.

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UNVOTE:
In case it's true, i dont want more funny hammers, and I want ppl to actually talk about things.

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passive than

since

when you replaced in.

EDBWOP

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like it makes me mad when someone goes and misses an entire day due to V/LA, next day says "i think sky's scum giving up", and i say "i think sky townslipped" and change my mind, then he goes like "anyone here tonight?" with some rollover text, then me trying to get ppl to talk to me about my reads and everyone just goes radio silent except chemist, then when a supposed hammer happens they are like "WHY DIDNT U TALK TO ME", as if i havent been TRYING TO TALK WITH EVERYONE.

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I announced that I was gonna be lva for like 5 days, sky lolhammered like 3 days into the phase and 2 days before my lva would have ended.

I posted a few times over the weekend to see if anyone would bite because im at a point where I need some interaction to better figure out where I am. My reads have been off this game and I wanted to dance with someone. The weekend went by without much other than tumble weeds in the thread.

Well im here AMA.

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Guess not then.

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I havent used this in like forever.

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A50 has done literally nothing that looks like reads. He's just sheeped me.

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Well i mean technically he agreed that the PoE was him/FF/Rick/Sky, but other than that, yeah.

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(Also i wanted to use that picture again)

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Regardless i hope this flips scum i dont want to think there's scum in our townblock anymore, but if this flips town im gonna have to and that's gonna be a hair puller.

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Also i just realized i misread FF's post as "Why" instead of "Who" oops?

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But FF the answer to that is that im gonna trust Rick's proposed townblock from D2, It's high likely James' CC was a hail mary if that PoE is correct thinking about it.

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btw spangled i wanna hear from you more mostly coz there's a high chance you or chemist die tonight.

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I wish you talked more about it instead of self hammering.

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He flipped Tailor, not Traitor

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Anyway Tailor flip pretty much nullifies the clear on me so just read me normally.

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Ofc they would kill Chemist, spangled has self-admiteddly been super confused about what's going on and chemist is the one that was actually sanity checking me.
But spangled you need to wake up now, I need you, I tend to let my paranoia take over me if i dont have someone pulling me to the ground all the time.

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Granted im having a hard time believing sky's scum here and not knowing what a tailor is, nor noticing it's a tailor and not traitor flip.
Sky would you say you'd be able to fake things like that?

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I'm not good at meta diving either, siiiigh, guess that's how im still alive, because im bad at this.

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I have a conondrum of trusting the townblock and lynching sky, or trusting my gut and not lynching sky.
Spangled, help.
Rick, FF help me whoever is the town of you, or both if you're town.

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i mean i know what a tailor is, i just somehow managed to read the flip as traitor like twice when i saw the flip and when i went to double check the setup lmao

im probably *capable* of faking that but most of the time i dumb it up as either alignment it's just me legitimately being dumb

There's no traitor possible in the setup tho? Although i just looked at the sample role PMs for mafia to save time.

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Oh wait, you said that "when you went to double check the setup" you misread it as traitor.

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FF kept mentioning that Drew had some.... fixation on asking Persivul and me questions.

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I’m leaning Skygazer.

I don’t think A50-FF were scum/scum.

I don’t want to think about Sakura tailored.

Why is FF scum impossible?

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FF also had a fixation of whether i wasnt being bothered by drew's fixation on persivul? (Need to double check)

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Drew, Gob

Then the last one is Gamma, Persivul, or Brafin.

Skygazer’s entrance just gut pings me as town.

Why me, exactly?

Anyone know what goes with "why me?"

Hmm maybe not.

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Not really.

Do you think that Drew is focusing on you and Pers?

Hmm was this maybe?

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It seems a bit weak, maybe im wrong.

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That's a good point thanks a lot Rick
VOTE: sky

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to go to the epic 3p lylo

oof man pls dont joke like that, i hate LyLo, and i'd also hate having to figure out which of you and FF is scum.
I really hope this is game, I just want to end this today.

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God fucking dammit

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RC or Creature?
Doubt it.

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It's probably someone that knows me, or someone that is very good at reading my play style.
I usually dont get TR as easy as i did when he TR me D2 by people that dont know me.

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so basically please don't paranoia lynch sakura bc i think she's just town

I mean, i'd like to think that if im being tailored the first thing that goes through my mind wouldnt be doing a fake guilty gambit.

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It would be more reasonable if i was doing something to FF (Like a JOAT or RB action) and i wouldnt get tailored so a tracker or watcher could validy me, im pretty self-conscious like that, i try to make up things to match the targets i do as scum in case i get caught targeting someone. If im being tailored, then i wouldnt be faking anything regardless of who i target, as i'd appear non visiting and VT to investigatives.

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So is rick really

Spoiler:

Boon

?

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now i wish i hadn't known...

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But you're being consistent................

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this isnt helping AAAAAHHHHHH WHYYYYY

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i'd like to think scum-rick wouldn't just straight up be ok w his main being outted right before a 3p lylo considering his reputation

I guess that's a good point.

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I actually believe whichever the scum of you within you two kill me tonight and leave it to Spangled

Scum would have to be suicidal to bring both me and spangled to 3p LyLo.

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Not. Looking. Forward. To. This.

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When your identity was exposed part of me entered denial and i just hope Sky flips scum so i dont have to deal with this tomorrow.

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More importantly, why did you TR me early in D2.
You're the last person i'd expect that to happen, coz most of your experience has been with scum me than town me.

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Well i guess technically it's half and half.

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Who the hell didnt accelerate the night.
Ugh, im not in the mood for this right now.

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I really hate the fact that both of you have high scum equity and I also really hate the fact that you brought me to LyLo when I hate LyLo, I got like a million things going on right now and im not in the mood to figure out who the hell of you is scum, hell, i'd rather just whoever is scum vote me so we can cross vote and i dont have to bother figuring it out.

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Who the hell didnt accelerate the night.
Ugh, im not in the mood for this right now.

I called for a fast forward, so if you did as well then it was Boon who neglected to do so.

Yeah i did as soon as i saw the flip.

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Since we were pretty much all around at the time i was hoping it wouldnt last longer than like an hour.

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Why do you think Boon revealed the way he did last night? It seemed like only sky had an idea of who he was.

Did you know?

Had no idea, I generally dont bother alt hunting.

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As for why, hmm no idea either.
He knows that revealing himself would immediately raise my suspicion of him after Colors.

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For more reasons than one.

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Like I just replaced into a game that he replaced out of, let me check something.

Hope that's not ongoing.

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Here's my conondrum:
In colors he was fairly inconsistent in the way he played and with his reads, he said that was a towntell for him, I agreed with that and immediately townread him, he kept mentioning "this is a towntell for me" "that's a towntell for me" and gloats about being able to magically solve the game near the end.
Here not only he's been super consistent but also the fact that he calls you/me a 50/50 bothers me if he was that good at solving the game he should have already figured out im not scum.
The other side of the conondrum is how much of that should i attribute to "alt playstyle".

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And with a million other things going on right now for me, im not in the mood of figuring it out, not for like at least a couple of days when im probably A) in a better mood and B) not having other things going on in my life.
I much would've rather this happen as soon as day 5 ended -.-

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Anyway that's all about me ranting, ugh, cya later.

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Still not in a good mood for mafia, much Less LyLo which is something i already hate.
Sorry

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Actually im just gonna take a couple days off V/LA until my mood improves

@Mod V/LA for a couple days.

Noted.
- Kor