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I could buy it; I do agree that that mid-post opinion shift feels townie and I feel like I've gotten the vibe that Phill is one of those players that just always comes across as scummy to me but I haven't dug into meta-
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this is very very arbitrary towards the middle? i feel like down lower there's probably only like one or two at most actual scum there in the bottom three or four but i'm pretty comfy with the top four or so being town?-
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top four including myself and spangled unfortunately lol
the nulls get very arbitrary very quickly
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Okay; Thespio hasn't posted much at all since my last reads list so I think I'll just vote there? Going low-activity after being called scummy and wagoned feels like a scum move (potentially hoping attention shifts away??) anyways. All he's really done lately is throw shade at James in a way that's not really pro-town at all imo
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Yeah Thespio isn't gonna do anything any time soon so I might as well lol-hammer
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gg's hammer just doesn't feel like something scum would do when there's already another player we now know is town offering to hammer as well
probably 2 scum on wagon and one scum off wagon?
barring a held-shot/something else then there's probably not a SK at least-
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i'd need to reread more before i could swing onto FF but he was on-wagon so-
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as in that makes me more willing to swing over to him depending on my reread-
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I thought he (FF) had a townie entrance tho and townie activity levels and the way he pushed implo felt genuine just wrong; pushing implo didn't really feel like a viable scum push to make either
I'm choosing to ignore the secrecy stuff for now-
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implosion was on gg for the latter half of D1 but gg killing that feels a little on the nose; gonna reread implo's iso too-
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I mean, I don't put any weight behind reasons I don't know about right now. I feel like his reaction is overly-defensive to be fair. I feel really behind rn thoIn post 999, Sakura Hana wrote:Note:Skygazer chose to ignore the secret reasons in favor of his townread of FF-
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hi rick
would you say im more likely or less likely to ID you here?-
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been enjoying showbusiness lately rick?
i should probably do some re-sorting now since im still awake-
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im gonna do some isos/stream of consciousness stuff to try and get a town pool going-
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first of all im town
spangled isprobablytown, right? right?-
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I forgot chem claimed tracker; I'll sort that as town for now? I'm not familiar with the setup yet but it doesn't feel optimal to box yourself in with a claim that early as scum. Who did he track?
I like Rick's entrance. I like how he's not afraid to call a large amount of attention to himself. I like how he's not afraid to shift his reads around suddenly yet naturally. I like how if he were scum he'd be boxing himself in with the amount of town sorting he's doing. I'll say that's town.-
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found it, ty ctrl+fIn post 1053, Chemist1422 wrote:hi I'm the 1-shot tracker, got a no visits result last night on Sakura
k bye
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Glancing at the setup's wiki page, 1-shot tracker is also a pretty hard claim for scum to make given that you would need the setup to be have only one I to not be in a counterclaim situation down the road.
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I remember liking Sakura
I interpreted hernotesthing as pretty townie; possibly forcing reactions from people? putting her thoughts out there immediately, too. i think she's playing in a way where she's unafraid to push people and put her thoughts out there whereas scum is generally more withholding wrt their immediate thoughts. She's asking questions in ways that seem to suggest a solving mindset. add her to my town pool.
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Spoiler: do these votes make sense w my current town pool (sanity checking)-
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I'll bite. Why?In post 1387, Rick Dalton wrote:Skygazer has gained a little scum equity, tbh, but I generally want to town read her. This line right here’s enough to pressure.-
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What do you make of gobbledygook lol-hammering after implosion had already declared intent to drunkenly lol-hammer?-
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i could sheep that. i remember TRing James's entrance so i'm a little less sold there? persi i remember absolutely nothing about rn-
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his (james's) recent quote walls come across as super awkward tho rereading-
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James is fencesitting in a lot of his posts; using language such as "ping" and "not sure" a *lot*
I went back and realized he copy and pastes the toxicity thing and the random question thing in all of his games.
I'm going to look at his completed games and see how much he uses non-committal language there compared to here.-
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posts like this i really don't likeIn post 1174, James Brafin wrote:Ok, Doctor feels worse and worse here. So does Rick.
Liking Sakura more and more here. She's actively scumhunting with this gambit instead of letting it lie. Same with Formerfish.
The Turkey I'm not sure about. He pings me in a non-aggressive sort of way.
Chemist, I have no idea about. It's a legit claim I guess, but it makes me uncomfortable.
vague language; soft language (pings); noncommittal language;
the chemist shade at the end makes no sense, why feel the need to mention it makes him uncomfy when he's recognizing it's a legit claim?-
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feels buddying; considering spangled wasn't nightkilled, they probably don't feel threatened by them at the moment, either.In post 1105, James Brafin wrote:Spangled, what is YOUR opinion on all of this? As an IC you’re probably the only trustworthy person here.-
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In post 1406, James Brafin wrote:...I’m not sure how I feel about Rick...
... though I have a hard time believing ...
... Pers I’ve been kinda ignoring ... I need to ISO him though...In post 1271, James Brafin wrote:...I’ll prob have some comments/questions/concerns...
...Something about this exchange is seriously pinging me...examples of noncommittal language
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To me, it reads like you don't want to make any hard commitments to reads. The only player you've strongly pushed today is a player that's already under a ton of pressure. You did a quote-wall thing to justify placing them at L-2. Everyone else has been getting reads like "they look better and better" or "they look worse and worse" or vague language such as "they're pinging me" or conflicting shades such as "I believe chemist's claim but it doesn't sit right with me." It doesn't feel like you're actually sorting; it feels like you're making pushes that you feel comfortable making and trying not to make pushes against players that might give you some pushback. You've shaded Rick but didn't pursue it. You shaded Sakura and retracted it for vague reasoning before placing her as town. You shaded implosion D1 but didn't pursue it! It feels like you're afraid of pushing the stronger players here and going for those that are more lynchable.
VOTE: James-
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im going out today so i wont be posting until tonight-
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I don't like this response to my vote. Can we undo the lol-hammer and lynch James?In post 1419, James Brafin wrote:Not gonna change my play style because you think I’m being too cautious.
I will go look at your ISO since I’m pretty sure this is the first time you’ve actually contributed anything meaningful and it’s a crap push.
But when you phone-post 95%, it’s a little hard to do anything but skim and try to keep up. I’m doing my best to stay with it but I’m moving into my dorm in literally 11 days and I’m super busy rn. I’m at my best when I can review the game and make large ISO’s, but that’s tough to do from a tiny screen, and makes me wary of my own reads. I may be picking up on things that aren’t actually there and/or missing critical information (like the fact that the push on Fish was a GAMBIT), or missing subtle player cues.
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Why??In post 1445, gobbledygook wrote:I am curious why Rick feels so strongly about Sky. She’s one of my stronger townreads.-
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If there's only one I, they can get away with the claim and make it appear as though there are two I's. If there are no I's, the lack of other investigatives would conf-scum them later on. If there were two I's, they'd get cc'd by a 1-shot cop or 1-shot tracker. If there were three or more I's, they would get conf-scummed by the existence of a neap/gunsmith. It would be a really risky fake-claim.In post 1423, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Oh...?In post 1385, Skygazer wrote:Glancing at the setup's wiki page, 1-shot tracker is also a pretty hard claim for scum to make given that you would need the setup to be have only one I to not be in a counterclaim situation down the road.
Chem is probably town.-
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doctor, on the other hand, isn't a very punishable fakeclaim for scum to make
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who did you protect n1?
where are your crumbs?-
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that was p gross of you to point out but w/e
i don't like drew's reaction, feels forced; reminds me of when i got fakehammered as scum and i forced an "oh no!" type reaction in psyches miller game-
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pointing out fakehammer reaction tests is generally a bad thingIn post 1520, gobbledygook wrote:
???In post 1517, Skygazer wrote:that was p gross of you to point out but w/e
i don't like drew's reaction, feels forced; reminds me of when i got fakehammered as scum and i forced an "oh no!" type reaction in psyches miller game-
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crumbing doc like that is pretty anti-doc behavior :c
docs are like, one of the only roles where you don't want to leave any sort of trace that ur doc-
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The way they've responded to the doc claim felt forced to me. Could be tmi because they were so quick to believe it. I also heavily SR'd dry-fit. I don't really have solid reasons to TR them other than the lol-hammer from yesterday feels like a ??? move to make as scum.
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I don't believe the doc claim. It's an easy claim for scum to make in this setup and hard to disprove. I think their crumbs coming later on rather than earlier leads me to believe they realized they need to be setting up a claim since they've felt a lot of pressure so far. I also don't feel like doctors don't want to leave any traces that they're doctors; crumbing is pretty opposite to the whole "hiding from scum" play that most doctors would be playing like. they also hadn't pointed out any of their crumbs or claimed who they targeted when i declared intent, so declaring intent put some pressure on them to complete their claim as quick as possible without any chance to coordinate it.In post 1533, Spangled wrote:In post 1518, Skygazer wrote:intent to hammer drew
Where is this coming from town?
A claimed doc, and you’re like
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Talk to me about this please Sky.-
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i'm fairly busy today so i'll be back tomorrow-
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i'd also like to point out that gobble has acted to remove pressure from drew;
fake-hammer gambit -> oh don't worry you weren't hammered!
i declare intent to try and put some imminent pressure for drew to actually complete their claim w crumbs/their target -> immediate unvote