Open 762: CK9++ [Over!]

[Chemist1422]

Yo

[Chemist1422]

hi what’s up

[Chemist1422]

Hello Chemist; thoughts on the game rn?

You know me I’m in a constant state of having no idea what’s going on

Let me re-skim

[Chemist1422]

Bold.

So, setup wise IC means at least 1 M. So that's good to know off the bat and eliminates seven Ts, which is... something?

VOTE: Philla

This post is wolfy because it contributes literally nothing to the game while trying to appear like it does

[Chemist1422]

Chemist, I'll be honest with you, when I said that I had totally misread the setup and thought that 7 Ts was the only one with a serial killer. That said, fair.

Then why did you not say "we don't have an SK"?

[Chemist1422]

Is this serious?
Because that’s a lousy excuse for a vote if I’ve ever seen one.

It's not like I can't change it if something stronger comes up

[Chemist1422]

The content of 151 isn't the problem, it's the tone, the phrasing and above all the *aggressive* tepidness.

I agree.

random popin is a ???

[Chemist1422]

Hey everyone, I’m James Brafin.
Some things to know:
I policy vote/lynch toxicity. Period. I don’t want it in my game. It’s no fun for anyone.
I don’t like RVS. I’ve heard it said that it builds information, but how can you build information on no foundation? So I’m abstaining my vote. When I put it up you can assume your RVS is over.
I’m also doing a touch of research to improve my preliminary reads, so if I ask a weird question just play along.

Speaking of weird questions, I’d appreciate it if everyone would answer this:
If you could live anywhere, where would it be and why?
For me, it’s somewhere in the north, where you get decent snow. Nebraska, maybe?
Thanks,
JB

also because I remember him bringing it up, I have no idea

But from someone who lives north of Nebraska I can say that snow gets tiring quickly

[Chemist1422]

Okay I'm done trolling.

Why did you troll at all? I don't recall seeing that from you. Is it something you've done before? If not...why now?

It was a pun.

— gammaEmerald [GE] ceased trolling open762 [CK] —

ok I’ll stop

[Chemist1422]

I don't think Thespio's ISO justifies this flash wagon

It's not good but nothing worse than nullscum on their last post

[Chemist1422]

So Phillammom, you seem odd... your ISO isnt the best

I believe that to a number of people (including me) this was an attempt at shade and to create a reason to get on this wagon, which was the leading wagon but had very little foundation.

I could see it in that manner but imo it could just as easily be a setup for questioning, only reason to think it wasn't is that there was no followup but they haven't posted since then.

[Chemist1422]

So Phillammom, you seem odd... your ISO isnt the best

Thespio, can we get follow-up to this?

[Chemist1422]

Dry-fit's vote is yuck; feels opportunistic.

VOTE: Dry-fit

Mindmeld

VOTE: Dryfit

[Chemist1422]

Explain more pls

It feels like they're trying to act like they're contributing something new while finding a reason to push a mislynch through

[Chemist1422]

That wagon moved faster than I'm comfortable with

UNVOTE:

[Chemist1422]

#WagonSpeedIsNotIndicativeOfAnything

Disagree

I think in this case it could mean Thespio is a wolf who wolves want to create a counterwagon to

[Chemist1422]

I think in this case it could mean Thespio is a wolf who wolves want to create a counterwagon to

So, you?

Okay point

But no

[Chemist1422]

I don't really like Chem's unvote the more I think about it.

Why not?

I can't speak to anyone else, but for me the unvote looks like "I want to look like i am pressuring Dry but I don't actually want them to die" with an added dose of "hey look, I was on the wagon as early as <whenever>" if they flip scum at some point.

Or it could just be me being genuinely worried about a wagon that I think moved too fast

[Chemist1422]

Phil is more obvtown than before.

Starting to hunch that thespio is town though I don’t have like good evidence for it

You’re voting the counterwagon but you just now started having a hunch?

[Chemist1422]

Correct!

Alright just checking

[Chemist1422]

GE town for general mindmeldings

bye

[Chemist1422]

GE town for general mindmeldings

bye

Is there a reason for the curtness?

Yeah was getting kicked off my computer

[Chemist1422]

VOTE: gobbledygook

Reservations about wagon movement are gone so I’m willing to move back here since my read hasn’t changed

[Chemist1422]

VOTE: gobbledygook

Reservations about wagon movement are gone so I’m willing to move back here since my read hasn’t changed

Must not have been good "Reservations".

I mean yeah they probably weren’t but whatever

[Chemist1422]

I’m caught up

I didn’t like how aggressive Drew got in response to pressure given how a lot of their stances earlier were on the weaker side.

VOTE: Drew

[Chemist1422]

Speaking of next questions:
@All: Do you think tunneling is effective as town or scum, and why/why not?

Also, I’m with Drew on this one. Gobble/Thes could be a real thing. I’m leaning more chainsaw than white knight here.

I don’t really care whether it’s effective, it’s just kind of annoying to deal with for everyone but the tunneler so I’d say no?

And I don’t think Gobble/Thes is a thing because of the way the Dry (gobble) wagon built up in response to the Thes wagon

[Chemist1422]

vc

sorry

[Chemist1422]

I’m caught up

I didn’t like how aggressive Drew got in response to pressure given how a lot of their stances earlier were on the weaker side.

VOTE: Drew

There was one vote on me when I got 'aggressive', as you put it. Wouldn't call that too much pressure.

Maybe I am worried about keeping me alive, but why would scum-Drew throw himself into the fire with 4 days left and two wagons already trucking and people willing to vote a couple others?

Because that’s not a long-term success strategy, especially if you have a teammate under fire

[Chemist1422]

I’m caught up

I didn’t like how aggressive Drew got in response to pressure given how a lot of their stances earlier were on the weaker side.

VOTE: Drew

There was one vote on me when I got 'aggressive', as you put it. Wouldn't call that too much pressure.

Maybe I am worried about keeping me alive, but why would scum-Drew throw himself into the fire with 4 days left and two wagons already trucking and people willing to vote a couple others?

Because that’s not a long-term success strategy, especially if you have a teammate under fire

I have already stated that I am fine either way with Gob or Thespio, the top two wagons.

Who am I protecting?

Fair point, but even without a teammate under fire coasting doesn’t work well consistently

[Chemist1422]

hi I'm the 1-shot tracker, got a no visits result last night on Sakura

k bye

[Chemist1422]

hi I'm the 1-shot tracker, got a no visits result last night on Sakura

k bye

Why would you claim this?

Because I’m one-shot and don’t want my info to be lost

[Chemist1422]

V/LA until the 8th

sorry fish lol

[Chemist1422]

ok

anyway I'm gonna ISO random peoples probably

bye

[Chemist1422]

Note:

Skygazer chose to ignore the secret reasons in favor of his townread of FF

I mean, I don't put any weight behind reasons I don't know about right now. I feel like his reaction is overly-defensive to be fair. I feel really behind rn tho

this is not a post made from scum!Sky to scum!FF but it could be one from scum!Sky to town!FF because of the slight pressure that could be used to justify a vote later

That also makes Sky not w/w with Sakura because they probably wouldn't need an excuse if they knew there was going to be a false guilty

[Chemist1422]

I don't think I can evaluate Sky yet given them being behind in-thread

ironic coming from the master of being behind in-thread

[Chemist1422]

One of James/Sky is likely scum

from the point of view of someone who has not read the thread this is a wolfy post

it's trying to set up an associative based on a conflict in the thread that has no basis for not being v/v

[Chemist1422]

Sky can be tentative town maybe

not sure, am tired

[Chemist1422]

Sky

can be

tentative

town

maybe

not sure

, am tired

Git em Sky!

yes

[Chemist1422]

Sky

can be

tentative

town

maybe

not sure

, am tired

Git em Sky!

yes

What, no more than just ‘yes’?
No reaction to being called out on an entirely natural habit of humans?

It was an acknowledgement of the fact that that post was really hedgy and I’m bad

But nothing else really

[Chemist1422]

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Sky

can be

tentative

town

maybe

not sure

, am tired

Git em Sky!

yes

What, no more than just ‘yes’?
No reaction to being called out on an entirely natural habit of humans?

It was an acknowledgement of the fact that that post was really hedgy and I’m bad

But nothing else really

Whose post was really hedgy?

Mine

[Chemist1422]

I am here and have acknowledged the doc claim

I was going to drop a vote on RD for that post I didn’t like but I decided to not be useless and read his ISO and I actually came away with a townread from the way his solve stayed relatively dynamic

[Chemist1422]

i'd also like to point out that gobble has acted to remove pressure from drew;

fake-hammer gambit -> oh don't worry you weren't hammered!
i declare intent to try and put some imminent pressure for drew to actually complete their claim w crumbs/their target -> immediate unvote

so wait what's the conclusion from this

[Chemist1422]

At mafia the game

why did you feel the need to clarify “the game”?

[Chemist1422]

Also JB was the lurker person I graphed last night that I mentioned yesterday



The dotted line is the trend line. As you can see and probably got the feeling from JB, he has trended into a

LURKER

Spoiler: JB Activity Flow Data

July 18 -- 18 posts
July 19 -- 3 posts
July 20 -- 3 posts
July 21 -- 2 posts
July 22 -- 0 post
July 23 -- 3 posts
July 24 -- 8 posts
July 25 -- 2 posts
July 26 -- 6 posts
July 27 -- 5 posts
July 27 to 29 Night
July 30 -- 9 posts
July 31 -- 3 posts
Aug 1 -- 1 post
Aug 2 -- 0 posts
Aug 3 -- 0 posts
Aug 5 -- 0 posts
Aug 6 -- 1 post

Real quick question from a fellow

LURKER

, what does this trendline look like without D1?

[Chemist1422]

Fun Fact: I still haven't read the setup.

I did when chem claimed to see if i could figure anything out from it, but got confused and bored and then went on to something more exciting, like beating my head against a wall.

That is a serious mood

And yes I'm stalling for time to get a chance to read

[Chemist1422]

Why thespio though

Why thespio though

did you *see* post 151???

I don't see why that post alone is enough for a scumread of the confidence you seem to be promoting, unless I have your confidence level wrong.

VOTE: Thespio
I'll see where this goes

what

I looked into the Gamma ISO because I remembered they didn't replace out and weren't a PR claim and I found this

[Chemist1422]

We’re not lynching the vig claim

We make them shoot consensus targets or die, and if they’re scum they’ll be mechanically outed by flips

[Chemist1422]

We’re not lynching the vig claim

We make them shoot consensus targets or die, and if they’re scum they’ll be mechanically outed by flips

He can be mechanically outed - or cleared - right now, via pgo/venge claims.

Or we can do the same without minimizing a PR’s usage by having patience

[Chemist1422]

Here's an idea: don't leave extra scum KP alive

VOTE: Gook

[Chemist1422]

So we’re at 1 T correct

[Chemist1422]

And btw my first five posts were an ultra cryptic crumb, ARE YOU HAPPY NOW PERSIVUL

trollcops???

I really don’t see any other way it fits and that was way too cryptic for it to be viable

[Chemist1422]

Heck if it's 2 scum left im pretty sure we can even lynch FF and Rick and still win.

Nah we need to find one town outside of the clears

Shouldn’t there be one more PR?

[Chemist1422]

nvm I miscalculated

[Chemist1422]

We have IIPM??T so far

We don’t have 2 Ts so it’s either TT or 2 non-Ts

[Chemist1422]

So today's the day to speak up if you have an issue with someone in the townbloc, and it better be a good reason.

No objection, really

[Chemist1422]

Two words: Scum team.

I tracked Sakura nowhere N1

So

[Chemist1422]

Cop/tracker is Gamma by the way

Also since Gob is a FUCKING MORON I might as well claim. Yes I am cop and I got Sakura town n1. Got no result last night on Persivul which is why I'm so pissed at Gob.

Also this doesnt look like a fake reaction.
Even gob noticed Gamma was an investigative of some sort.

Scum obviously didn’t, since he’s not DEAD.

>doctor died

[Chemist1422]

If James is scum his clears probably include the Godfather/tailored mafia

So he can clear a buddy without being outed by their flip

Just thoughts

[Chemist1422]

Cop/tracker is Gamma by the way

Also since Gob is a FUCKING MORON I might as well claim. Yes I am cop and I got Sakura town n1. Got no result last night on Persivul which is why I'm so pissed at Gob.

Also this doesnt look like a fake reaction.
Even gob noticed Gamma was an investigative of some sort.

Scum obviously didn’t, since he’s not DEAD.

>doctor died

The outed doctor? Wow, shocker that scum killed the outed PR instead of the “cop.” You ALWAYS kill informed town first. Gamma says that he got roleblocked and scum killed doctor. But that’s idiotic on scum’s part. Why would they not roleblock the doctor and kill a cop if they thought they knew where it was?

Because there was a chance that Gamma didn't flip cop

[Chemist1422]

Btw there's no way both our claims are real

Actually there is - if chem's claim is false. I don't think that's the case, but it should be put out there.

That is not how it works

[Chemist1422]

Cop/tracker is Gamma by the way

Also since Gob is a FUCKING MORON I might as well claim. Yes I am cop and I got Sakura town n1. Got no result last night on Persivul which is why I'm so pissed at Gob.

Also this doesnt look like a fake reaction.

That wasn't his initial reaction. He initially said he'd neither confirm nor deny it. This came after he had a night phase to consider it.

Even gob noticed Gamma was an investigative of some sort.

What do you mean by "even gob"? No one has more incentive to PR hunt than an SK.

Yes because an investigation-immune SK cares about whether a cop is alive or not

[Chemist1422]

Guys, I have no clue

mood

[Chemist1422]

Question

How insane would it be if I proposed a lynch outside of the cop claims

ripperino

[Chemist1422]

If there were two cops the Neo/Gunsmith would’ve CCed me

[Chemist1422]

Woah woah woah, surely there’s more to talk about.
We have 11 days, let’s get some reads lists going, if nothing else.
Pers, where do your reads stand?

VOTE: James

yay!

im dead

[Chemist1422]

Wait, do we autowin from here regardless?

no

tomorrow is LyLo if we mislynch

Also there’s that tinfoil chance of you being tailored

[Chemist1422]

I feel like im the only one awake right now.
I wish someone would sanity check me, tell me if im going wrong and where and why.

sanity check: expect the best but prepare for the worst

basically we should probably sort which of FF/Rick is a stronger townread

[Chemist1422]

Actually i dont believe James and Phil early interactions are SvS
So i think it should be pretty simple from here.

So what do u think of this chemist.

I forgot who subbed into that slot

I’ll go back and check what you’re talking about

[Chemist1422]

Actually i dont believe James and Phil early interactions are SvS
So i think it should be pretty simple from here.

So what do u think of this chemist.

I forgot who subbed into that slot

I’ll go back and check what you’re talking about

Rich

yeah I’m aware

I see where you got that idea, went back and looked and mostly agreed but the part where Phil admitted the reasoning for their vote was NAI isn’t a great look

[Chemist1422]

Well, I have yet to read a thing., so a brief description of the game status would be much appreciated. Else, I'll be catching up later tonight.

I'm a 1-shot Tracker
Sakura is cleared by both me and the flipped cop but has a small chance of being tailored
Spangled is an IC

FF and Rick are higher townreads, leaving you and Sky in the primary PoE

[Chemist1422]

I don’t think it’s skygazer. I’ll try and be around throughout the day.

If it's not skygazer then it should be A50 and FF from your PoV.
Unless you think im scum that got tailored N1 or that im a godfather.

godfather wouldn’t be clear to tracker

[Chemist1422]

Basically I have a feeling sky just townslipped and im just gonna lynch elsewhere.

I also had this thought but I don’t think it’s not fakeable

I think it’s weird that FF because the vote target instead of Persi who was considered more PoE

[Chemist1422]

I think it’s weird that FF because the vote target instead of Persi who was considered more PoE

I'm not sure what you're asking me here, or if it's something you're asking in general, but i assume you're asking about why am i voting FF instead of A50.
And the answer is that i feel like A50 is a bit towny.

ok then

[Chemist1422]

Would a scum sky bother correcting me, when it doesnt do him any good.

Definitely but I saw something else I wanted to grab

Hold on

[Chemist1422]

chem is cleared by setup spec for sure; sakura is actually kinda cleared by the no visit because of the goon flip since scum have 2 PRs, disregard what i said about that

there’s this, they forgot tailor was a thing?

[Chemist1422]

ok

[Chemist1422]

oh it's not hammer?

can I lolhammer instead

[Chemist1422]

VOTE: A50

this is moving too slow

I think A50 is probably the person who's just consensus scum via not w/w associations everywhere so I kinda wanna go here