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I think my incorrect case on Menalque is still the correct read, and he’s salty about me being correct for wrong reasons.

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I don’t really gunnel when i’m scum much, i don’t think, if that’s what you’re pushing.

But i don’t actually think I’m even tunneling in this line.

I believe I have even said I don’t necessarily think you’re completely scum, but you’re just pushing it like I’m nonstop nonstop after you when I’m not even really pushing you, I’m just casing reasons and acts that I think you could be doing as scum.

I don’t have hard hard scum reads here, Or else i wouldn’t have commented on the stagnated nature of the game

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The reason my scum read stays is because I feel you’re paranoid scum and don’t know how else to get me off your tail.

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I don’t have any aggro at all...?

And paranoid of me pushing you.

Scum are always paranoid of me

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Scum teams revolve their entire game me duh

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Around me duh*

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Is surprise done?

I was also VLA for like 5 days, so what do you mean I should be hard push committting?

I literally just came off the VLA today, and look what we have here.

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What do you mean “because I didn’t push you hard”

I did like the same thing to Avengers and I took the credit for that one too. You flip, you best believe I’m taking the credit

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People started to use my lack of activity as a way to try and sway the game state away from the impending townblock so they start targeting me to start chaos

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If I were scum, you’d be lynched by now

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Idk who right now, that’s a hindsight thing. And killing me N1 is actually a pretty decent point.

He killed me Night 1 last time

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What do you mean my weird flip on you?

I’ve stated from the very beginning that I thought you had a decent chance of being scum.

Just because so call someone scummy or townie doesn’t mean i think they are corresponding.

I’ve flat out town read people BECAUSE i scum read them

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@Menalque - is surprise even over?

(Shows how much effort i put into that game)

I also flip flop a lot.

I’m kind of in a spot where I don’t really feel like pushing anything but I’m trying to read correctly, but I’m more just commenting while i have a spare minute without really analyzing

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Did somebody say L-1

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VOTE: Deb

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@Menalque - Guess what?

I’m on your side now.

I think Alch/Ausuka is S/S.

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Something Smart death incriminates and sets up a Menalque-FL mislynch chain.

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Alch/ausuka/Gamma then?

That’s where I think I’m leaning too. Gamma could be replaced by itlepip. Gamma’s been kinda engaging with me, and he usually likes to just stay clear away from me when he’s scum.

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Is there an actual reason Pink Ball is town? I’m just leaving from rock climbing so maybe I’m just tired, but I’m forgetting why I town read PB.

Not saying I have a scum case for him

yet

but just wondering.

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Why can’t he be scum who’s been attacking the doctor?

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I was hanging out with FlippyNips, and got in a state of...easy distraction.

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I actually think it’s a good point, and makes me reconsider.


PEdit: I told him, he put his hand out and said “yo”.

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Yeah, I don’t know why Pink Ball assumes scum didn’t have attacks? That’s what the healing abilities are for.

@Ausuka - can you heal yourself?

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Hey that type of self awareness is honestly one of the best non mechanical ways of being towny

And once you learn how to do that as scum, bam. You’re on another level.

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Yeah, I don’t know why Pink Ball assumes scum didn’t have attacks? That’s what the healing abilities are for.

@Ausuka - can you heal yourself?

In case the vigs like me fucks up?

But yeah that makes sense. I'm no longer conftown guys, sorry, I did my best

Hey that type of self awareness is honestly one of the best non mechanical ways of being towny

Hey that type of self awareness is honestly one of the best non mechanical ways of being towny

And once you learn how to do that as scum, bam. You’re on another level.

I do not understand

Maybe you will one day

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I can’t help thinking Maria died from some other reason, Pink Ball claimed it was attacking, then slipped when he implied scum didn’t attack, but I don’t know what else

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Well, like, everyone thinks being scum is all about coming across as townie, but it’s more about being able to survive the gamestate while simultaneously pushing a scum agenda. I’ve won scum games by playing downright aggressively scummy and wild and chaotic, and I targeted specific people to get them to be put into a hard 2v2 or 1v1 forcing the rest of the game to respond to it.

So on an inverse of this, if you can be semi self aware enough to realize “hey, scum don’t have attacking abilities, but nobody knows that, so I’m gonna act like it is and push my conf town until someone calls me out.” Then owning up to it got you as conf town then you lose your conf town status, thus making you actually townier than you were when you were fake conf town, but without the label, ANDit protects you from the “why wasn’t he night killed then”, which isn’t even a giant issue because there’s an actual conf town alive.

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Whilst*

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Like socially targeted

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It was piggybacking on the stuff I’ve done as scum in other games specifically that correlated to the subject at hand.

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I’m bored so I’m bragging

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I’m bored so I’m bragging

Damn, if this wasn’t me saying it, I’d sig this...-.- this is like me in a nutshell.

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I could go itlepip.

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VOTE: itlepip

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Full disclosure: I’m in a neighborhood with RCEnigma, and a neighborhood with Gamma.

Day 2/Night 2 I had one with SS.

I claimed traitor in SS for reaction.

I claimed traitor in Gamma for reaction.

And I acted like I was traitor in my neighborhood with RCEnigma instead of my neighborhood with Gamma, so like...I technically scum slipped as town for the 2nd time in the same month.

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Menalque/Alchemist/Ausuka

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Jibril hammer was pretty unexpected, though

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RCEnigma told me before he died to never lynch PB. It was his last wishes, and I’m gonna trust that.

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Jibril hammer was pretty unexpected, though

Okay this concerns me

Like, I knew Jibril would vote there, but I didn’t expect her to be there so soon, not that Jibril would hammer.

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Oh and btw we really should be massclaiming right now. Since we lose if we lynch town we should probably be saving the gambits for some other game too.

This isn’t true, we have attacks.

We can kill in the night.

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Especially if we all target the same person

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I agree, though, scum does need to kill me to win

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And I’ve already solved. I solved way earlier and back tracked. I’ve been out of town for a bit now, just got home this morning

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I’m not scum :shrug:

I see why you can think that here, but if you’re town, you’re wrong.

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They’re not town, you’re just saying they’re town. That doesn’t make them town. I have conf bias of me being town, you have conf bias of whatever you are

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Yes it is.

I have conf bias of me being town, so I don’t see him as town the way he sees himself as town thus having a warped perception of the gamestate. It’s directly tied to conf bias.

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So he’s either town incorrectly reading me, because my conf bias I know I am town, or scum pointing out holes in my game state presence to try and either mislynch me or chop me down so I don’t have momentum to correctly figure them out or lynch them.

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And I’ve already solved. I solved way earlier and back tracked. I’ve been out of town for a bit now, just got home this morning

I really don't think calling three players scum without justification is gamesolving and if it is by your definition it's not what I'm looking for. You know ss and rce can read me, they said I was town, and now they're dead. So why are you ignoring that?

Well, I’m town.

Idk what else to say, I’ve been in and out of this game for a while.

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I don’t remember what game that was

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@Ausuka - i just have a really hard time reading your posts, and the last time that happened was when you were scum with me in Let’s talk about an on going game.

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The fact that I’m the one getting targeted verbally is why I’m town, btw.

I could see 2 of the 3 of them as scum.

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@Ausuka - i just have a really hard time reading your posts, and the last time that happened was when you were scum with me in Let’s talk about an on going game.

you have a hard time reading my posts? is this about how long they are?

do you think this is better meta than what ss and rce had when they called me town?

Not really sure. I just kind of start blanking out when I read your posts. I don’t think they’re bad posts by any means, i think it’s just the way you fabricate your posts, if you end up being scum that is.

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No, but it’s the way it’s being asked and the way that everyone’s positioning up.

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I said I didn’t necessarily think Deb or Itle was scum. I made the mistake of going on them, but I thought I was overthinking.

You were the only one I was pushing, and not even tat that really.

If I were scum, I’d have been pushing much harder for specific lynches. I’m the epitome of tryhard scum.

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except I don't see why scum!you would bother to make the effort after bussing avengers got you enough towncred to get you to here

Exactly.

I’m making effort here. I’m not tryharding.

I also rarely ever bus, and if you think I’m going to give up a team like Avengers as my scum partner, you’re flat out wrong.

In the last Skygazer game, i claimed masons as scum to try and protect my partners, and while that was maybe a bit too much, you better be damn sure I’m going to be able to save a partner, especially of that caliber.

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Why

RCE has never misread me before.

I used a different ability.

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yeah FL, but I also know that you will bus (I definitely remember you talking about having done that for the first time recently) so why shouldn't I think that you could be expanding your range in this game by pushing a buddy that you could have saved pretty easily

the fact that you're not pushing me now is giving me some doubts, as is the fact that RCE was hard town reading you, but still, I skimmed your ISO during night and decided that you were prob scum based on that

who did you neighbourise?

Probably should think that.

I don’t know what else you want me to say. Your case is “FL’s scum range is huge, he’s in his scum range, so he’s scum”, but you just have a wrong read as town or you’re scum. There are no other options here.

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If you’re town, you gotta see I’m town. I just had a lylo situation final 5 where the final 2 were known by 2 of us confidently but i got mislynched still.

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Because I haven’t been game solving. That’s how I live until late.

You just gotta kill me before I start game solving. I bet I’m a decent hot topic in the scum PT because scum generally actively play inna way to play around me, which is why I’m so flip floppy because I HAVE to account for the plays being made nowadays against town me.

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yeah, but surely scum would assume that you were going to start solving today bc it's LYLO

and if they thought you were being honest yesterday about changing to a TR on me then they would have thought you weren't gonna push a mislynch on me which would increase the threat of you pushing a lynch on one of them

Yeah, but that requires me to be the biggest threat alive going into the night, and I don’t think that was the case here at all.

RCEnigma was definitely ahead of me on the totem pole.

If Ausuka is town, scum also have created some plan or play to deal with her. It’s just something you gotta do.

Also, if Ausuka is town, that means Something Smart, myself, RCEnigma, Ausuka were town, so scum was had to create a gamestate to live through that.

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I also just feel like I'm suffering from a crazy amount of WIFOM atm in this game, and I think you're the type of player who's likely to be good at doing that as scum

There’d be way more WIFOM if it was me, but you’re right, I am good at WIFOM, but I don’t think the type of WIFOM I’m strong at has been present in this game at all?

@People who’ve seen scum me - My WIFOM is generally more setup orientated and social dichotomies

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So the night kills were

Katyusha
Mastina
MariaR/SS
RCEnigma

All strong players, so idk why you are surprised that I’m still alive, especially because I feel I’m semi setup to be mislynched in lylo.

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Ausuka - the Role is kind of the only thing here. I do WANT to believe Ausuka is scum, and I think that’s by design. Scum have created a game state where I want to vote Ausuka. I think this is town.

Chemist - i can’t remember much of what Chemist has done, but I’ve mislynched Chemist in the past. This could go either way for me.

Jibril - i believe she hammered Avengers, and she hammered itlepip. Jibril has also been kind of painted as my most likely partner, which again, I feel has been by design. I think scum decided to play on Jibril being able to pocket me and my lack of being able to read Jibril accurately due to paranoia. I am leaning scum here, which solves the play of dealing with FL by Jibril going down makes me go down sometime.

Alchemist - I usually scum read him real fast, and the fact he’s not dead yet after Menalque’s attacks makes me a little worried. His scum game he’s usually ALWAYS under fire, though, and he really hasn’t been, so I think I’m lean town.

Gamma Emerald - been off, like they said, but they were on Avengers. Gamma is also a type that would keep me alive because they believe they could mislynch me.

Menalque - sometimes i think he’s town, sometimes i think he’s scum, which probably means he’s town just tunneling me. I understand his read on me, it’s just wrong, and I don’t think scum him could succeed like that against me.

Pink Ball - PB is paranoid of Ausuka, and his conf town play was off to me. I also wanted to see how he reacted if he thought I was never gonna lynch him but nothing really came of it.

I’m leaning Gamma/PB/Jibril

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Ok FL is town, out of the question.

Guys I think it's time to talk about Jibril.

Well fuck. This kinda throws PB/Jibril out of the water for me

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Yeah, I just wanted to post it.

Also, if PB is scum, like I was leaning, it’s still a scum kill

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I’ve come to one of Menalque/Chemist is likely scum. Menalque, if scum, is getting some drapes on Chemist, and if anyone pushed there it would pick up, however scum probably don’t want that if Chemist is scum, so it won’t go through.

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Yeah. You’re throwing some drapes down so people can climb up on the case you’re bringing up on Chemist. It’s not necessarily throwing the bait but it’s sometjing like that.

Only if you’re scum and Chemist is town, though

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Things giving me pause: the fact that gamma is easy to mislynch

The thing I’ve related with you the most all game.

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There are only a few of you guys who haven’t claimed, right?

GE, Jibril, Alch, Chemist?

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I’m Arcanine/Lapras btw

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Lapras let’s me have safe passage, which neighborizes someone for one cycle, and sets them to max hp, which is why I was kinda paranoid of Ausuka, but as an HP game, I could see Ausuka as town, especially because it seems like they were being setup like I was too.

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Flame attack, and a commute (out to sea)

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I’ve claimed all of these already, though, besides the Pokémon.

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Lol at the masons on DEB

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MariaR (4): Menalque, Gamma Emerald, Jibril, Chemist1422

We probably lynch in this.

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I think I’m back to Jibril, Gamma, PB...

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Gamma Emerald (3): Oversoul, Avengers, Skellen

Actually, this is a decent town case for Gamma if Jibril is scum.

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Is there anything wrong with Menal/Gamma/Alch as a team, or Mena/Jibril/Alch?

Yeah, I feel Menalque is doing a good job running this game and keeping me off of him, tbh. I’m flip flopping left and right.

I’m not entirely sure on Alchemist, though, which is a little town indicative for me. I usually am hard pinged and watch Alch slip by day after day and he’s been under the radar which kinda seems like town Alch.

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Menalque was supposed to go Day 3, then DEB/Itlepip, but the other two came before. Game hard stagnated, and I couldn’t get people on menalque.

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surface level

Can you tell he was a newbie of mine?

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Especially if the scum team isn’t getting along.

However, Chemist makes me think he’s only scum if Alchemist is a partner of his now.

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ahhh, fuck, is it FL/PB/aus?

I feel like this is actually a setup to try and 3v3 us and hope someone sided with them, or that we don’t agree that each other are town.

PB could be a bus, though, but I think i want to town read him too

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@Chemist - I’m thinking you’re town anyways, I didn’t need that hint.

Chemist, PB, Ausuka

Leaves Menalque, Jibril, Gamma, Alchemist.

One of those guys are town, and I’m not entirely sure which, tbh.

I could town case all of them, but I could scum case all of them as well.

Chemist, PB, and Ausuka scum casing are all a stretch to make, and when I was looking into it, I was really having to force it.

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If SS was the night kill, does that imply vig on maria because I’m thinking SK is more likely?

Also killing SS while he’s SRing FL doesn’t really strike me as something outside FL’s scum range just so he can make this argument here?

PB, I just want you to know that if you are scum here it’s gonna break my lil heart

VOTE: ausuka

Hmm. :/

Yeah, Menalque’s scum. PB town.

@Pink Ball - Menalque is the Alchemist slot from Anime Upick.

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Wait FL you scumread Alch?

It’s not that I scum read him moreso than I think he could be scum, if that makes sense.

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I’ve been hard ISO’ing, and I think Chemist is town, PB is town, and Ausuka is town based on pushes, wagonomics, and general scum agenda. I tried grasping for straws to convince me I think they’re scum, but I didn’t even believe my own stuff.

Which automatically means if I’m correct with you three, then the remaining scum have to be in those 4.

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I think if I had to pick out people I find susp based on roles, chemist, FL, and Jibril stick out

There’s the bus in Jibril.

Gamma’s probably Menalque’s partner.

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Why did you attack FL and why were you voting itle all d3 and d4?

FL felt off to me, PB can confirm that feeling
And I was voting him because I was pretty much in lazy mode from the second half of d2 until today

Also notice how he said that PB can confirm that feeling when GE’s said it in thread, so that’s just a pocket attempt.

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What does the hail do? And we don’t have any ice types

MenLque, full claim.

Pokémon and everything. I feel like you’ve already claimed partially at least, but i forgot

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I’m not even hard pushing you

I’ve literally gone back and forth on you like three times this day phase alone

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FL is scum and town is just gonna let him run this exactly how he wants, smh

if somehow it's not game over after I get lynched then definitely, definitely lynch FL, prob followed by Ausuka

not sure who the third would be but hopefully if it gets to that point then the NKs will make it clearer

my head says PB but my heart says hopefully not

What is “exactly as I want”?

Please explain.

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Because I just started going after Gamma before you started chainsawing me.

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yeah, but you're gonna go that way bc I'm pretty sure you're scum

I think you've been going back and forth bc you've been weighing up whether you can get me to vote with you + the rest of the scum team but you're trying to keep enough distance that when I flip town you might be able to survive the next day if there's a protective that you haven't accounted for

Pretty sure if I were scum, I’d be able to mow down on you, and get away with it anyways, and the fact you are ignoring that is why you’re scum

Also, if I were scum, you’d have been lynched over both DEB and itlepip. I can work DEB hard. Check out Ramblings for that one.

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surface level

Can you tell he was a newbie of mine?

great pocket attempt btw

How is this a pocket attempt? I was lowkey pushing you with it

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Also, I’m FL.

I’m never afraid to quick hammer.

I can vote you whenever I want or whoever I want and it’s justified.

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Menalque’s literally just scum trying to work me up

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maybe you're town and I just have no idea how to read you, but I have /some/ degree of faith in town!you's ability to read me, and so on the balance of probabilities I think the most likely explanation for why you've been so back and forth on me all game is that you're just scum

I’ve been flip flopping back and forth on you ALL DAY. If you were town, I was successfully town reading you earlier, and you don’t show up again until I start to flip back

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maybe you're town and I just have no idea how to read you, but I have /some/ degree of faith in town!you's ability to read me, and so on the balance of probabilities I think the most likely explanation for why you've been so back and forth on me all game is that you're just scum

I’ve been flip flopping back and forth on you ALL DAY. If you were town, I was successfully town reading you earlier, and you don’t show up again until I start to flip back

yeah, bc I know I'm town so as long as you're reading me correctly then I don't have the motivation to SR you for doing that

You’re just OMGUS’ing.

I’ve also never played with town you (i guess that hydra game i was in that just ended but that doesn’t count), so I don’t understand why you state I’m just going to magically be able to read you if you are town.

If you are scum, you actively would know that I caught you early prior, but wasn’t going to actually catch you until later, but you killed me.

You didn’t kill me here because my death would directly implicate you.

I am town.

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Menalque’s literally just scum trying to work me up

this is kinda cheap

This is what players do to me like always.

Even Something Smart did it to me recently.

Vorkuta was scum and pushed me as scum who night killed my own partner to get me worked up.

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maybe you're town and I just have no idea how to read you, but I have /some/ degree of faith in town!you's ability to read me, and so on the balance of probabilities I think the most likely explanation for why you've been so back and forth on me all game is that you're just scum

I’ve been flip flopping back and forth on you ALL DAY. If you were town, I was successfully town reading you earlier, and you don’t show up again until I start to flip back

yeah, bc I know I'm town so as long as you're reading me correctly then I don't have the motivation to SR you for doing that

You’re just OMGUS’ing.

I’ve also never played with town you (i guess that hydra game i was in that just ended but that doesn’t count), so I don’t understand why you state I’m just going to magically be able to read you if you are town.

If you are scum, you actively would know that I caught you early prior, but wasn’t going to actually catch you until later, but you killed me.

You didn’t kill me here because my death would directly implicate you.

I am town.

hang on a fucking second, before I go

you've never played with town!me?

LITERALLY MY FIRST GAME ON SITE

I could be wrong, I play a lot of games and remember about half of them.

Which game was this? I thought your first game was the scum game of yours in a newbie.

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I said I could be wrong.

That floral mafia game they brought up earlier I have zero recollection of too.

I’m sure it happened.

Was I scum in your first game here? Because if I was it means I didn’t have to read you there either. If it was a hydra, meh, I have a tendency not to log in to those that much

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Wow

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If it was a hydra, meh, I have a tendency not to log in to those that much

This doesn't sound right to me

We have a hydra that I barely played in.

I just finished one on Baezu Leaf and I obviously wasn’t paying attention.

Look at ProFlavor in Starcraft 2, I did nothing.

Guys, I don’t go hard on hydras because I just put all my thoughts on main thread so i don’t communicate much.

Look at Nancy and I in surprise mafia.

I didn’t even realize the game ended.

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Ok pro flavor makes sense
What about my issues with your claim? I think it's odd you randomly have 3 abilities.

I claimed this literally day 1.

It’s not like I have some super strong roles.

Anime Upick I picked the most vanilla thing ever.

Here I made sure to pick the big guns in Lapras and Arcanine.

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There has been zero setup wifom this game essentially.

That PROVES I am town.

@Ausuka/Menalque - MENALQUE YOU DIED NIGHT 1 THAT GAME AND I GOT IN A HARD FIGHT WITH TEACHER.

Haha

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Claiming’s literally one of the best parts of my scum game, and I threw that away that early...?

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Claiming’s literally one of the best parts of my scum game, and I threw that away that early...?

You also have a record of changing your claim. NEXT!

Exactly! And I haven’t done that here.

I also do that as town, though, so this is a shallow argument.

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I hope it’s CLEARLY obvious how Menalque and Gamma are scum here

VOTE: Menalque

Gamma, talk about Menalque rather than continuously try to hatchet me down

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Gamma is hatcheting me to protect Menalque.

That’s why he was on itlepip for 2 days.

I bet Menalque has a strong role which is why Gamma bussed Avengers.

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Only Gamma, Ausuka, and Chemist have posted...so you just conf bias slipped because lack of Jibril

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they’ve done a great job of setting me up to take the fall here, esp after I did their job for them by defending avengers while they were merrily bussing away

What would be the purpose of bussing Avengers there and then NOT taking you down with them?

That’s where Menalque’s logic fails.

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That’s very surface level and not how I push.

If you can say “simple” that PROVES it’s not me.

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You are pushing a narrative of me pushing a narrative, and like, it works, but I’m town, so it’s been you who abused itlepip/Deb mislynches with buddies, and wanted to get me here.

You’ve been killing off my supporters as well. And killed SS to frame me.

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But I’m not scum

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Also you were just trying to argue that the WIFOM levels aren’t high enough for you to be scum weren’t you? And then this

This is a point for my side...you said “simple” and high WIFOM is what I said. You we’re pushing as simple which is not the type of WIFOM I give.

Town doesn’t make cases like you are here. You have tied together a case that makes sense, so when covering stuff up, it’s simple because you can tie stuff together.

You’re posting is correct.

Everything you are saying is correct. It’s a nice case.

I’m just town, so it’s not right.

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Yes

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Also, if you scum read me, why were you attacking Alchemist over me?

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You are pushing a narrative of me pushing a narrative, and like, it works, but I’m town, so it’s been you who abused itlepip/Deb mislynches with buddies, and wanted to get me here.

You’ve been killing off my supporters as well. And killed SS to frame me.

The problem with this is it doesn’t make sense

I play to win, I don’t play to bill big balls it

There are much better contenders for scum!me to push a mislynch against, there’s very little motivation for me to being you who it’s gonna be a massive uphill struggle to win a 1v1 against

What motivation is there for scum!me to try and mislynch you of all people? You literally boasted about how hard you are I mislynch in my first game with you

The only reason scum!me would bring you this far would be for bragging rights of having beaten you straight up as scum

But as is clear from my meta with you, I’d much rather go for the win and just kill you early on

Hard disagree.

I am the BEST target for scum you to target.

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And you couldn’t kill me earlier because of conf townies, and direct implications of you being hit as scum after I flip

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I’m not, and my flip and your flip will prove that.

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Also, you and Gamma HAVE to push me here, so i don’t understand your WIFOM defense of doing another play

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Scum!me kills you N1 rather than let you get to this point and risk you catching scum!me

Scum!me kills you last night over RCE 99 times out of 100

Anyone else see the contradiction here

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Also, if you scum read me, why were you attacking Alchemist over me?

Nice try at diverting the focus

Actually, that was me directly focusing on you, because your night actions don’t line up. You stated you were attacking Alchemist, but the test proved back...THAT WAS A LIE

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Blocking the last scum?

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Quote your claim

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I’m lickibra, town, normal/psychic, 4hp

Two abilities, lick and psychic

Lick is a roleblock and it’s 2 shot. I used it on maria N1 bc I still thought she was the most likely scum after flipster was town. I also thought her assumption that the roleblocker was definitely Mafia was weird, but in hindsight and with the avengers flip she’s more probably town. Yes, I know this makes me a dumb dumb for still suggesting her today but I was kinda paranoid about her doc claim and how convenient it was that she claimed she aimed at kat when she was roleblocked.

Psychic does damage depending on type, I was kinda rushed as night was closing, so I used it on alch because I thought he was quite possibly scum based on what mastina had said/his wagon positions

I softed lick early on, but in a way that only PB would probably have noticed

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Where’s your second role block then?

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Oh, you no actioned last night.

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Yeah, should be able to

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Only Gamma, Ausuka, and Chemist have posted...so you just conf bias slipped because lack of Jibril

Just bc she isn’t posting doesn’t mean she isn’t there

Mmm, good logic there.

It really isn’t. It actually directly implies townFL.

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Okay but should we be doing it though

Yeah, probably.

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That’s very surface level and not how I push.

If you can say “simple” that PROVES it’s not me.

Also you were just trying to argue that the WIFOM levels aren’t high enough for you to be scum weren’t you? And then this

I don't see the contradiction tbh

WIFOM would be high if I were scum.

He said my narrative as scum was simple.

That is a direct contradiction of playstyles proving that he’s not pushing me as scum, he’s pushing me to be mislynched.

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VOTE: Menalque
Still think the claims I pointed out are weird but this is actually scummy

This is a bus vote to get people to not want to vote Menalque.

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And you couldn’t kill me earlier because of conf townies, and direct implications of you being hit as scum after I flip

Okay then, why didn't RCE due until n4?

Because he came out as Mason Day 3....?

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You’re L-2, quit acting like you’re about to be lynched

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And you couldn’t kill me earlier because of conf townies, and direct implications of you being hit as scum after I flip

Okay then, why didn't RCE due until n4?

Because he came out as Mason Day 3....?

Pretty sure mastina claimed that D1

Mastina claims that EVERY day 1

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If FL is town then I’m legit sad at how easy this was for scum

I mean, I don’t for a second think he is

But still

I am town. And if you’re town, you caused it yourself by continuing to tunnel me.

I’m allowed to go over all possibilities. I was going back and forth on PB as well, someone I’ve played with far more than I’ve played with you.

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That relied on that being a real mason claim, which I didn’t see it as a real mason claim until Mastina STOPPED bringing it up and played more subtle with it.

Mastina and RCE both were hard town reading me too. They don’t die if I’m scum.

I have also used Mastina multiple times to get a mislynch I want. I don’t kill Mastina there.

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I don’t think I am tunnelling you as opposed to reaching an revolved read on you

No, you’re tunneled, because I was going in teams of 3, and going over every single player, and whenever you came up as scum, you’d come in and focus on me with others rather than a collective.

This is either town you tunneling incorrectly or scum you tunneling for a mislynch.

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That relied on that being a real mason claim, which I didn’t see it as a real mason claim until Mastina STOPPED bringing it up and played more subtle with it.

Mastina and RCE both were hard town reading me too. They don’t die if I’m scum.

I have also used Mastina multiple times to get a mislynch I want. I don’t kill Mastina there.

You might not, but there was at leat one other high tier scum player in the game, so maybe skitt would?

Why should I think you get your way for sure

I don’t get the point of this comment?

Then that just means scum knew they were masons.

Avengers flipped role cop, so they probably role copped her.

I don’t kill Mastina there.

I also NEVER kill Katyusha Night 1.

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I’ve gotten mislynched in lylo twice recently.

I also make end game quite a lot because people think they can tame the leaf, and I play erratically.

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We won that game, though.

And I had a correct conclusion there in the back mirror, i just was in a social position I couldn’t push it or i get quick lynched.

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I’ve gotten mislynched in lylo twice recently.

I also make end game quite a lot because people think they can tame the leaf

, and I play erratically.

Hmm?

Idk how else to say this, that’s pretty straight forward.

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Anime upick

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Ramblings
Let’s talk about an ongoing game
81p ultimate werewolf

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Mini normal 2058
Get A Room

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There’s probably a couple more scum victories this year, but i missed some.

I bussed in Ramblings and Anime Upick

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Ramblings I faked a Disloyal Fruit Vendor on Something Smart, because scum partner Vorkuta was a Complex Fruit Vendor and we had to figure out if SS got fruit, and we canceled the guilty out because Vorkuta claimed he also gave a fruit to SS.

The next day, I pushed Vorkuta as scum and we lynched him.

In Anime Upick, Day 4, I claimed I Role copped JJH and got traitor back, and argued with Mastina for a long while before we lynched Jjh, he flipped traitor, then we mislynched Mastina. I also argued back and forth with Jjh for a long while prior. Pink Ball was in this game, Alchemist was my buddy there

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That is the mind of scumFL, this is not that

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I’m once again growing increasingly paranoid of Pink Ball.

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Anime upick

Ramblings
Let’s talk about an ongoing game
81p ultimate werewolf

Mini normal 2058
Get A Room

Losses:
Everything is Completely Normal

RAS’d up:
Restless Spirits
Ennirugen

Yeah, around 9 scum games rolled this year. Fml

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It’s called The Room Odds, not Get A Room, my bad. Went back to check if that actually did happen this year, and it did.

But yeah, I’m 6-1 this year. Ennirugen could be a loss, but Ras came in and knew exactly where scum was in that game on the slot I had pocketed. -.- but restless spirits I felt was a win before it ended, so i guess it balances itself out.

I might be missing a few, but those are where I remember.

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How would that make you vote Menalque?

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If anyone thinks this is my scum game, then they plain just don’t know my scum game.

RCEnigma, if he didn’t die for being a mason, he died because he town read me, and he’s never misread me

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And PB, I actually said it because I was thinking of unvoting Menalque myself

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With the conversation Menalque had, and if I believe Menalque is town, then I think it’s fair to become paranoid of you.

I still think Menalque is working me

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My problem is that Mena was at L-2 and he wasn't quickhammered, so either you guys are right or two members of the scumteam were already voting him. I'm quite sold on Gamma

Those would be the options. However people weren’t posting in thread and he wasn’t there for that long.

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I mean, I’m Fire/Water and I wasn’t hated.

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Also, that means Chemist also had 3 parts to his thing.

It’s not like I even have the strongest role, so I don’t understand you saying “too much”.


Alchemist needs to full claim in his next post.

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Gamma’s just trying to stir the pot every which way.

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I honestly don’t care who we lynch at this point.

I still think it’s Menalque, Gamma, Jibril, with off chance of Alchemist/PB somewhere in there, but that’s just when I get worked.

Alchemist needs to claim

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Within my pool*

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I honestly don’t care who we lynch at this point.

I still think it’s Menalque, Gamma, Jibril, with off chance of Alchemist/PB somewhere in there, but that’s just when I get worked.

Alchemist needs to claim

I start talking myself back into a townread on you, which would make the team ausuka/gamma/prob jibril

And then you go and say this

This is LITERALLY the closest I’ve been to moving off of you.

This should be a good sign for you.

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And you missed my next post after that conveniently.

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No scum agenda, genuine, been scum with her twice this year.

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I’d be dead by now

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Then where’s the hail coming from?

Someone’s lying, which means Hail is a scum move.

Itlepip has a move that required sun

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Are they limited?

All my moves are limited. (i like to think of it as the amount of PP)

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Oh btw @gamma, I just remembered scum have fakeclaims, so Chemist's role PM is written by sky either way.

Is there a reason to assume Hail needs to be a move? I think avenger's role PM kind of contradicts the move explanation.

I guess not, but why else would it be here?

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Sorry, passive move.

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Has anyone claimed a move that powers up with the Hail?

I don’t think anyone’s even claimed an Ice type.

I’m the closest thing we have to an ice type, Lapras, and it’s not my move. I only got water from Lapras.

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I was gonna say maybe scum has all the weather stuff, but Mastina has rain.

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I’m actually a little worried about Chemist now, tbh. He did the color claim with his words early, so maybe he was fake claiming his stuff from the beginning.

His push on Jibril I almost wanted to sheep too, and it takes away from Menalque/Gamma if it’s Gamma/Menalque/Chemist

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I’m not the hailer.

Like you said, I would have had no reason not to claim it, and there’s like zero point in claiming the other abilities if I have a hail.

I also am like the main one to bring this up

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Also, as the hailer not claiming hail, why would I claim Lapras? I could have easily just said like...slowbro

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The play is flat out crazy to me and you're the most likely person here to do flat out crazy things, and I think a lot of the other claims are likely true regardless of alignment. Like the whole 'hidden weirdness within the setup' thing is super FL. That said Rce did townread you pretty hard so idk.

Yeah, but I was also actively bringing up that i wasn’t only for it to become it.

Alchemist/Gamma are both overly capable of doing that kind of thing too, so if one of them are scum, then this is a moo point

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Like a cow’s moo, it just doesn’t matter.

It’s moo.

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If you pay attention to game state, I’m also the one in the game being setup to be mislynched here.

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If you pay attention to game state, I’m also the one in the game being setup to be mislynched here.

Isn’t this reliant on scum!me?

Nah. It’s all around, you’re just the front of it, which might give you town points

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Gamma, Ausuka, Pb, and Chemist are all also poisoned for it.

Which makes sense because last scum is jib or Alch, who wouldn’t take that direct stance

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I’d say Mastina is more mislynchable than gamma

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For me

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Gamma, Ausuka, Pb, and Chemist are all also poisoned for it.

Which makes sense because last scum is jib or Alch, who wouldn’t take that direct stance

Who do this to?

I meant positioned, and it was in response to your “just you” setting me up, when if you look at the subtleties, where scum generally like to lie, I pointed out the rest.

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UNVOTE: Menalque


You think he’s scum rb but don’t want to lynch him?

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The unvote has been meaning to happen for a bit, but I was testing to see who would go where in response.

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Alchemist, I need you to say what actions you took on what night.

Was it hailing Day 2?

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And your hp

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iirc we also had a flipped roleblocker at some point so that counts as well

Would it be a waste of time for me to go back and track all the vig shots and such to try to find everyone's HP values so my shot tonight isn't wasted

Do it

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4hp, Fire/Water

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I’ll help you out with that.

If he’s taken any damage prior he dies

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So Lick was something that was a thing in Anime Upick, it was a roleblock, Pink ball’s Role, I believe, so that actually might be Menalque’s way of tying himself to PB if he dies. I think that probably means Alchemist is scum with Menal in that case.

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Menalque is probably ice.

And I have fire, so ice type scum definitely doesn’t want to claim it.

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Hmm...Alchemist is Haunter?

I think Menalque/Alchemist pairing is having more merit to it.

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Jibril/Menalque/Alchemist?

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Jibril/Ausuka/Alchemist?

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I’m not sure. I lost it.

And i forgot about Gamma for a second.

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@Gamma - who can’t you back? Because i feel you’re willing to go anywhere

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VOTE: Jibril

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UNVOTE: Jibril