Pokémon Fusion U-Pick [Game Over]

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Redflavour

his posts feel empty and not genuine.

[Ausuka]

VOTE: DEB

[Ausuka]

hi guys, I just replaced in, give me 48 hours to catch up please

[Ausuka]

Subject: how good is vonflare at laser tag [game over]

Lavos (Ausuka's alt) is switching to playing with her primary account, so Lavos is now Ausuka. this isn't really much of a change for the rest of you but it is my solemn duty to let you know and then put multiple links to this post in the OP.

[Ausuka]

fl what are you trying to say

[Ausuka]

Why are we all making itlequips?

[Ausuka]

I mean you did case RF and you’re voting maria which is good, so maybe that was a lil unfair

Nah not really

I feel like you’re hinting something so I might go metacase Alch

I'm gonna claim doctor here and that's why I knew I was roleblocked cause I was on Kat last night.
Carry on.

But I'm the doctor

VOTE: Maria

[Ausuka]

If you're really a doctor you should know what I'm talking about.

Not really unless you're asking about my role title.

Duplicates exist, yes, but they're rare. In the vast majority of cases when two players claim the same role, especially when one claims under pressure and had previously softed a useless role, it's because one of them is scum. Do you think Maria is towny enough to believe it's likely we're duplicates? I don't.

[Ausuka]

I didn't say I was a full doctor? If you're implying that a role and a nerfed version of that role are likely to fit in the same setup, I still think that's generally just not the case.

Pedit: you're 2 ,shot and used a protect on an unclaimed slot n1? and you think I have the motivation as scum to CC you when I could just kill you and not get heavily implicated?

[Ausuka]

Ok whatever I'll just say it I have 2 shots at synthesis too and an added bonus

I could be wrong about this? Idk I'll think it over when I'm not tired

UNVOTE:

[Ausuka]

and yes for those who play the series, I know synthesis usually heals yourself, my role is using Synthesis on another player

[Ausuka]

Yeahh the mechanics of these games increases the likelihood of two docs thanks pb I should stop playing mafia after like 8pm

VOTE: Avengers

[Ausuka]

If I get mislynched here look seriously at FL as scum with RCE

????????

[Ausuka]

That's not nearly enough explanation for that statement when they both played roles in playing scum while resistance existed throughout the day.

What about FL is setting up a push on you rather than just scumreading you? He made a case on you and pushed you for a lynch, that's not setting up anything. And RCE literally just thinks you are scum and you're scumreading him for that after the mutual tunnel with Avengers that went on? There's nothing else?

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Menalque

[Ausuka]

Like ausuka’s gonna completely ignore that massive post I made in response to her and just blank vote me

come the fuck on

that big post was just you going through FL's ISO and trying to find whatever reasons you could to scumread him. You literally said he should have townread you because you interpreted one of his votes as a sheep vote and you were also sheeping at that time (because apparently town and scum can't make sheep votes within a similar timeframe ??? )

[Ausuka]

oh no I'm gonna be replaced

[Ausuka]

VC 2.15

Avengers (6): mastina, Pink Ball, Ausuka, Flavor Leaf, Gamma Emerald, RCEnigma
MariaR (5): Menalque, Jibril, Dr Easy Bake, Chemist1422, Alchemist21
Gamma Emerald (1): itlepip
Ausuka (1): MariaR

Not Voting (2): Something_Smart, Avengers

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to reach a lynch. Day 2 ends in (expired on 2019-08-06 18:10:00).

Uhh I think everyone voting Avengers here is town and at least 2 and honestly most likely 3 scum are on Maria here? I think it's pretty clear that scum wanted Avengers to live day 2.

[Ausuka]

In post 710, Avengers wrote:
In post 673, Gamma Emerald wrote:
As for following PB it's p much for lolz and to show Menalque I'm okay with his thingy at this point. And I've stated my conditions for a RF vote, in the post you quoted. The reasoning I stated there for not voting him was the same one I initially used


Gamma, how are you reading me / my slot?

Also my point is that your vote wasn't being utilized better elsewhere. Also saying that you'll hop on if he's closer to a lynch later feels bandwagony

Aside, I don't think that Menalque and Pink Ball are scum together.

~ Black Widow


skitt did a good job reading me last game we played together. I know I'm not scum so this is a good read as we couldn't be scum together

I also feel like, as skitt mentioned later, she prob could've pushed this the other way and I don't think anyone would have been bothered/pinged by it, so the fact she didn't do that is towny

This is another example of Menal being ingenuine btw. Skitter is townreading Menal, and since town Skitter probably would townread Menal Skitter has to be town. He's just trying too hard in general to make a simple read Skitter threw out into something worth townreading.

Additionally he's really focused on reading the hydra with Skitter posts rather than the other three heads who are far more readable and now that the slot has flipped scum he uses Skitter being a great scumplayer as a defense. If he was aware of Skitter being good at scum and many people being fooled by her, why would you use her slot to read the hydra?

[Ausuka]

I mean I haven't really thought about it because I think that slot is, like, just town

[Ausuka]

Actually now that I think about it that makes all scum in {Menal, Deb, chemist, alch} which is roughly similar to what I was thinking before which is kinda neat.

[Ausuka]

I'd compromise on a Deb lynch but don't see the need to when Menal is the bigger wagon

[Ausuka]

I counterclaimed Maria, not Alch

Btw my role is another reason she's town; unless Avengers rolecopped me and Maria decided to claim my role which I don't really get the thought process behind, our roles are parallel and as such I don't think scum would want to bus Maria.

[Ausuka]

Hmm yeah I see where you're coming from but since we both claimed 2 shot and there was quite a lot of doubt between us, along with mastina claiming Mason d1 and Katy's role confirming town PTs exist, I see why that wouldn't happen too.

[Ausuka]

Uhh I think everyone voting Avengers here is town and at least 2 and honestly most likely 3 scum are on Maria here? I think it's pretty clear that scum wanted Avengers to live day 2.

I don't think the Avengers lynch was centrally organized enough for that to be the case.

Sorry but I have literally no idea what this means

[Ausuka]

Regarding 3188: I was focused on trying to read skitt because I hadn’t played with any of the others before. Also, yes I knew she was good as scum, I was just being overconfident because she seemed to be playing similarly to the last game where she was town and some people were susp of her there but I correctly called her as town

Also, no. It’s not my best moment (because I hadn’t considered that fact that as scum skitt would

know

was town) but if you view it from my perspective: I know I’m town. If skitt!town then the fact she’s townreading me indicates skitt!town because it means her read is good, which is what I’d expect based on town!her having been good at reading me before. It’s similar to the reason why I’m still somewhat susp of FL because he’s probably the person most familiar with me in this game, so the fact that he’s not TRing me here is weird (esp as he was at the beginning, and his reason for stopping was weird and had weird timing)

You haven't played with any of the others before - so? Skitter is still one of the strongest scum on the site and having a game or two with her doesn't change that. It's not like it's that much harder to read someone you haven't played with, right?

I've tried to look at it from your perspective but can't see it. I don't think the possibility of Skitter being scum and townreading you isn't, like, all that complex and I think it's something very intuitive. So I don't see why you wouldn't think about it.

Pedit: They weren't lynched for most of the day and the wagon encountered a large amount of resistance but then town suddenly swung onto Avengers in a short period of time in a way where it seems likely scum wouldn't have been able to do anything about it. I think it makes perfect sense that scum didn't want the wagon to go through and it did anyway, because it was a sudden movement and they never got an actual chance to oppose it or do anything during that.

hope you have fun Deb!

[Ausuka]

They weren't lynched for most of the day and the wagon encountered a large amount of resistance but then town suddenly swung onto Avengers in a short period of time in a way where it seems likely scum wouldn't have been able to do anything about it. I think it makes perfect sense that scum didn't want the wagon to go through and it did anyway, because it was a sudden movement and they never got an actual chance to oppose it or do anything during that.

Maybe. But it's possible that scum jumped on it near the end believing it was inevitable.

Sure I see Deb jumping on it after it became clear, I don't see anyone else as a likely candidate though?

[Ausuka]

So I think it’s a lot easier trying to interact with people you’ve played with before, yes. Like I said, that’s an error of overconfidence from me as I’ve only got 1 game with her, but I would expect reads to get better the more you play with someone. So yes, I would still be marginally more confident trying to read a good scum player who I’d played with multiple times than a competent player I had never played with before not considered great as scum

But like you haven't even seen her scumgame yet, and when you said that Skitter was a good scum player and that's why you misread her, you didn't seem at all surprised that she defied your expectations after one game. Tbh this thing about being confident on reading her after one game with her feels too convenient for this situation as I think it's, like, the only explanation scum!you can really give here.

@Itle: I don't think that applies here since we're talking about Menal's relative confidence at reading different people and if he's just overconfident he should be confident enough to read the other three as well. I do think that the other players in the hydra were very scummy and I'm confused by any attempt to ignore them.

[Ausuka]

I thought mastina or rce would be the kill and because rce was more involved it'd be more likely him that got killed.

[Ausuka]

I probably die tonight regardless but I think we have a solid solve anyway.

Yeahh 2 shots turned out to be not a lot in a large, you probs do die tonight but yeah we got this by poe lynching I think. Do you think there's any chance of scum Alch here?

[Ausuka]

Ya I protected rce both nights.

[Ausuka]

because he was towny and is a good player and possible Mason things

[Ausuka]

I'd expect more attention coming from scum and as you said, the scumteam probably already knew you were the other mason.

Doesn't this also apply to itlepip thinking Alch counterclaimed Maria?

[Ausuka]

Do you have another power or only 2shot doc?

I don't think I need to share information about this and I'm curious to hear why you think otherwise.

I don't see what it is you want to talk about.

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Deb

[Ausuka]

Ok I'm tired and idk if this is a bad thing to do but with all the talk about rbs I'll just do it, I have a 2 shot sleep powder roleblock thing.

[Ausuka]

So Ausuka, you're a 2 shot doctor, 2 shot roleblocker?

Yeah, I can't use the actions at the same time, that's all there is to my role.

[Ausuka]

This was my pick.

[Ausuka]

noo that's Oddish I'm oddbasaur

[Ausuka]

Ok whatever I'll just say it I have 2 shots at synthesis too and an added bonus

I could be wrong about this? Idk I'll think it over when I'm not tired

UNVOTE:

and yes for those who play the series, I know synthesis usually heals yourself, my role is using Synthesis on another player

Zzz

[Ausuka]

Teleport doesn't send you to private topics in the games either. It's clearly adapted because Sky thought it would be better if my role was a doc; it doesn't need to be a mistake.

[Ausuka]

I unvoted Mena because people didn't want to lynch that anymore I still think he's scum but my reads are trash so ~ who knows ~

Idk how sky's mind works dude. She could do that if she wanted to, it's not unbalanced really.

[Ausuka]

hi i'm here to play some mafia

first thought here is something like 'mafia are happy with this gamestate and aren't worried' but i don't really know what that means

idk maybe i'm clearing jibril too easily or something?

[Ausuka]

we don't have maria's full claim but like

2 shot doc + x
2 shot doc + 2 shot rb
2 shot rb + attack / vig thingy

is there any reason this can't be all-town? something i'd keep in mind regarding this is that if sky is adhering to the basic fundamentals of pokemon moves, as she appears to be, her options are pretty limited. i don't think paralysis or sleep can really be anything other than a roleblock. in a similar way healing moves can only really be doctor abilities. (as a sidenote i thought i might as well mention that my doc ability is slightly abnormal in that it also restores my target to max HP. i don't have any shots left and presumably nobody targeted RCE so I wouldn't imagine it has any affect at this point, but i imagine some mafia member has a doc and as such it could be useful information.)

the push that there absolutely

has

to be scum in this group makes me pretty uncomfortable because i don't think there has to be, i haven't really seen any point why there should be other than 'this seems wrong' which isn't a good reason, like at all, and it seems like there is more consensus behind this push than there should be.

[Ausuka]

for context on why i'm suddenly worried about jibril i skimmed the large theme 'roll call' that ended recently and saw this:

Oversoul's fake townspew is gdlk.

He also fooled MariaR in Starry Night.

if oversoul, as scum, has a history of making convincing replacements, that makes me a lot less confident in my townread on him and jibril as a result.

i'm tempted to just townread the claim but then this is a skygazer game so i can't really say with any confidence she wouldn't add a scum recruiter.

[Ausuka]

i mean jibril's iso is basically just "dgb and kuribo scumread mariar", a hammer on avengers without any prior mention of them, and saying that because scum could set sunny day itle must be scum for having a role that uses the sun, which honestly seems more like baseless speculation than anything else? and saying there's scum in the claims. no reasons are given for anything. there's nothing to townread really in there.

[Ausuka]

i think it's very likely to be a real claim regardless of jibril's alignment; the role was created by northsidegal in The Newsroom, here. Skygazer had the role of recruiter in this game and seemed to find it interesting; I would certainly buy that she'd include it in this game, and if the slot is lying about their role it kind of came out of absolutely nowhere.

[Ausuka]

ausuka attempts to read oversoul

167 seems scum-indicative. i'm not sure i buy the train of thought here; i mean, 'role fishing' about neighbourhoods? really? and i think fl's posting about running the hated players up to l-1 was really jokey and he gives no reason why the joke explanation given was a lie; i think this reasoning is pretty weak. perhaps that's to be expected at this point, but he phrased his read as being 'incredibly suspicious' of FL which I just don't believe.

he posts a lot earlygame but it's not too substantial; he pushes Maria and DEB as scum but doesn't throw out much to support it. he just agrees with Chemist and pushes DEB for what amounts to playstyle essentially.

555 is a pretty odd associative. i'd ask him for reasons behind this but, like, he replaced out

he's just kind of throwing out accusations mid-d1; gamma is scum, SS is scum, PB is scum, there's not much to support any of this.

i remember finding 878 really odd upon first reading the thread and honestly i feel that even more strongly now. he figures out i'm faking my push on FL, but instead of, like, scumreading me for it, or at least questioning on some level if i'm scum making a fake push, he IMMEDIATELY jumps to the conclusion that i'm just pushing FL because he asked me to. and while he's correct, there's no reason to actually believe it at this time. and it's not because he's townreading me strongly; in fact he goes on to say me pushing FL because he asked me to is scummy. to me this seems like TMI; he doesn't consider I'm scum faking a push on FL because he already knows that isn't the case.

1046 is the original post i locktowned him for; on review I'm not so sure anything there is worth townreading. the gambit read town at first but now i think that it's AT LEAST as odd to fakeclaim SK as town than to fakeclaim SK as scum.

tl;dr jibril might be scum after all and i think she is? this might be confbias but i went into oversoul's ISO expecting a confusing mess but found nothing worth townreading and a few points worth scumreading. but idk someone help me out here

[Ausuka]

VC 3.05 (unchanged)

itlepip (4): Menalque, Gamma Emerald, Dr Easy Bake, Jibril
Menalque (4): Flavor Leaf, RCEnigma, Alchemist21, Ausuka
Dr Easy Bake (2): itlepip, Something_Smart

Not Voting (3): Pink Ball, Chemist1422, MariaR

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to reach a lynch. Day 3 ends in (expired on 2019-08-14 18:15:00).

VOTE: itlepip

L-2

not gonna be here again tonight but itle isn’t towny and their push on DEB was meh

hi Chemist let's talk about this! what about itle's push on DEB didn't you like, and what about the other wagon candidates did you find towny?

on a sidenote I just checked this VC and, uh, itle's wagon composition is awful? I think that slot is just town?

[Ausuka]

Debbie, you have posted one read, and literally everything else you have done has been prodging by way of gif. Can you please actually play the game?

The argument isn't that DEB should live, (cause he shouldn't). But we are in a setup with a lot of vigges (we think), so its better to use it on that slot and pressure a slot that is actually playing that you can make reads off of/ is paying enough attention to claim if they need to.

Katyusha, if you read the VT role pm it is basically a vig. I think its reasonably safe to assume DEB will die in the night.

VOTE: DEB

If someone attacks DEB, and then claims it, I won't vote them until lylo. I don't understand why you join a game if you literally have no intention of playing it.

meh, I'd rather lynch you here, but will probably go back to flippy so that we don't nl

Sorry my internet died for a couple minutes there

This is the start of their push on DEB, it jumps from advising them to be vigged to a rolefish attempt while pushing them to be lynched and it’s just kinda bleh

is there anything wrong with advising Deb to be vigged? i mean, i did the same thing, and i think it makes perfect sense.

i don't really see the rolefish attempt here.

[Ausuka]

Debbie, you have posted one read, and literally everything else you have done has been prodging by way of gif. Can you please actually play the game?

The argument isn't that DEB should live, (cause he shouldn't). But we are in a setup with a lot of vigges (we think), so its better to use it on that slot and pressure a slot that is actually playing that you can make reads off of/ is paying enough attention to claim if they need to.

Katyusha, if you read the VT role pm it is basically a vig. I think its reasonably safe to assume DEB will die in the night.

VOTE: DEB

If someone attacks DEB, and then claims it, I won't vote them until lylo. I don't understand why you join a game if you literally have no intention of playing it.

meh, I'd rather lynch you here, but will probably go back to flippy so that we don't nl

Sorry my internet died for a couple minutes there

This is the start of their push on DEB, it jumps from advising them to be vigged to a rolefish attempt while pushing them to be lynched and it’s just kinda bleh

is there anything wrong with advising Deb to be vigged? i mean, i did the same thing, and i think it makes perfect sense.

i don't really see the rolefish attempt here.

There’s nothing wrong with it, but there’s a lack of consistency between them wanting DEB to be vigged and their vote there

And the rolefish is asking for a vig to claim to keep their vote off DEB

I think there's a general "i want deb dead" thread there. I also don't think this is the sort of consistency that's particularly hard to fake if that makes sense - I think if itle was scum and thought it wasn't reasonable to push someone for both a lynch and a vig, it would be easy to avoid doing that, and I don't think there's any sort of scum motivation in there?

Re: rolefishing: pretty sure if you pick a random player in the game there's a very high chance they'll have an attacking ability. I don't see why itle would go out of his way to establish that a townie can attack?

[Ausuka]

The scum motivation point was regarding itle's pushing of both lynching and vigging, which was your point against him. I don't really get what you're talking about with pushing Deb on d2 tbh; I don't think it's related to what you were saying before, and itle was voteparking on Gamma d2. Itle wasn't the only one not to push Avengers d2. For example, Menalque was pushing for Maria's lynch instead; what makes Itle distracting from an Avengers lynch but him not?

[Ausuka]

I dunno I think you’re making a lot of sense but I don’t think you’re right

idk I guess it depends on why you don't think I'm right.

[Ausuka]

ok i was trying to read chemist but I don't think I got anything substantial out of this at least itle's wagon is smaller i guess

chemist do you have reads outside itle?

[Ausuka]

hey gamma why is itle scum?

[Ausuka]

ok that's enough mafia for today! this is what i'm feeling right now.

{Ausuka, Flavour Leaf, RCEnigma}
{itlepip, Something_Smart}
{Alchemist21, MariaR, Pink Ball}
{Chemist1422}
{Dr Easy Bake, Menalque}
{Gamma Emerald}
{Jibril}

VOTE: Jibril

let me know if you feel i'm going totally off the rails but I feel better about this than what I had before

[Ausuka]

ok that's enough mafia for today! this is what i'm feeling right now.

{Ausuka, Flavour Leaf, RCEnigma}
{itlepip, Something_Smart}
{Alchemist21, MariaR, Pink Ball}
{Chemist1422}
{Dr Easy Bake, Menalque}
{Gamma Emerald}
{Jibril}

VOTE: Jibril

let me know if you feel i'm going totally off the rails but I feel better about this than what I had before

Do you think scum Jibril would lolhammer their partner before they claimed?

Yeah.

[Ausuka]

I’m rly tired rn and about to go to sleep

But the stuff from last page really seemed off and I don’t think those set of posts comes from town!ausuka and town!chem. like they’re both trying to move the gamestate in opposite way. Chem wants it to stay where it is, ausuka is trying to open it up in a new way. I don’t think that comes fro scum (I think they want one gamestate or another) but I think it’s very likely scum would prefer one gamestate enough to push for it over another

Chem also just feels similar to when we were scum together in Pokemon ruby but from what others are saying I’m not sure if him mostly non-efforting is NAI

Why can't it just be two townies disagreeing on what they want the gamestate to be?

[Ausuka]

VC 3.10

Dr Easy Bake (2): itlepip, RCEnigma
itlepip (2): Gamma Emerald, Dr Easy Bake
Menalque (2): Flavor Leaf, Alchemist21
Jibril (1): Ausuka

Not Voting (6): MariaR, Something_Smart, Menalque, Pink Ball, Jibril, Chemist1422

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to reach a lynch. Day 3 ends in (expired on 2019-08-14 18:15:00).

Why did all the wagon die

Idk there wasn't really a convincing case on anyone. Why shouldn't the itle wagon have died?

[Ausuka]

Maria was somewhat disengaged early and then they claimed and then ditched, their last post was sort of a content promise that never got followed up on

In fairness she was v/la for a while.

[Ausuka]

I adore Pokemons. At most was to steam of pieces. And in free time from their search played in sizzling hot deluxe

pretty sure this is a townpost.

[Ausuka]

My idea of how scum would usually play. I have no prior experience with Jibril.

[Ausuka]

My idea of how scum would usually play. I have no prior experience with Jibril.

Then I disagree. I don’t think scum hammers before their partner claims. As unlikely as it may have been a claim could have turned things around for Avengers and would have been worth the shot.

I'm not sure everyone would play scum in this way. Imagine a world where you're scum, and your mislynch is going pretty nicely; people are generally on the wrong track without your interference. Suddenly the mislynch claims doc and everyone piles onto your scummiest scumbuddy. This is a lot of town converging on scum and undermines your control on the game. If you don't hammer you risk Avengers claiming, nobody buying it, and somebody else hammering before you, which may lead to you being PoE'd as off-wagon or at the very least your current position as obvtown being undermined as you didn't talk about the slot at all. Even if you wouldn't hammer in this situation I'd imagine that a lot of people would be willing to.

[Ausuka]

Oversoul's claim and replace-out were towny.

why?

pedit: what's faulty about it?

[Ausuka]

also gamma can you quickly talk about your itle scumread while you're here?

[Ausuka]

VOTE: deb

[Ausuka]

Because nobody feels any motivation to do anything.

[Ausuka]

VC 3.14

Dr Easy Bake (5): itlepip, RCEnigma, MariaR, Menalque, Ausuka
itlepip (3): Gamma Emerald, Dr Easy Bake, Pink Ball
Menalque (2): Flavor Leaf, Alchemist21
MariaR (1): Chemist1422
Flavor Leaf (1): Something_Smart

Not Voting (1): Jibril

Mod notes:

π

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to reach a lynch. Day 3 ends in (expired on 2019-08-14 18:15:00).

tinfoil theory: all Deb scum worlds are Deb/Gamma/PB, Deb/Gamma/Jibril or Deb/Maria/Menalque

[Ausuka]

yeah I'm good with that.

VOTE: Menalque

[Ausuka]

VOTE: deb

meh let's get this flip

[Ausuka]

full disclosure; i didn't protect rce n1, i protected him n3. it probably didn't work, i don't know why anyone would vig SS.

VOTE: Gamma

[Ausuka]

'Cause Maria said she was roleblocked and Menalque claimed said roleblock. Unless he's a strongman and shot Kat on D1.

But between Ausuka and Mena, I believe Mena's claim more now. Especially 'cause the Softboiled move makes sense as a doctor and Synthesis doesn't.

Yeah you know what?

VOTE: Ausuka

Fuck off with that inconsistency, I'll follow my lead, you'll done fucking up lynching town.

Also if she was a real doctor why the fuck she doesn't protect the other doctor like come on dude. No town perspective whatsoever.

that isn't an inconsistency. the roles don't need to have the exact same use as in the games! we've seen through multiple flips that sky is not following them in that way, including a flip centred around detective pikachu and abra using 'teleport' and going into some random private topic!

i don't protect the other doctor because:

a) mariar was under suspicion to the point where she probably got vigged

b) i am 2-shot

c) we have a literal mason claim i could be protecting instead

Starts the day saying "don't know who would vig SS" when SS is the scumkill too. Let's get her boys.

yes, ss is the scumkill? that was my point. i was saying that ss was the scumkill because i don't know why anyone would vig ss -> ss is a scumkill.

[Ausuka]

town mislynches literally once with pb offwagon

pb:

Fuck off with that inconsistency, I'll follow my lead, you'll done fucking up lynching town.

[Ausuka]

teleporting to a random place is inconsistent with the games. teleport is useless in battle and outside of it can go to a specific destination (a pokemon centre.)

additionally sing is totally inconsistent with how the move works ingame; it's supposed to put your target to sleep, not do nothing.

additionally the addition of abilities like 'Mr-ey Mystery Hood' should be a good hint this isn't meant to be some sort of realistic pokemon simulator.

[Ausuka]

Don't care if it makes more or less sense, it still makes sense. You use teleport outside a battle, it teleports you to the last pokemon center you were. It moves you from one place to another.

p-edit: we don't know what Sing does, it doesn't say it does nothing. The Mr-ey hood is players with Mr. Mime in their fusions, that doesn't have anything to do with a move and therefore no inconsistency. Your Synthesis claim is the only one with an inconsistency.

that's a massive stretch. teleporting to a random place is nothing like teleporting to a set place. that's exactly like if i claimed that healing someone else is the same as healing yourself.

realistically sing does nothing rather than being some ~mystery move that screws with the game's mechanics wow~. even if it does do something it clearly doesn't have the ingame effect of sleep/roleblocking that it should because it's a global action.

[Ausuka]

"Softboiled restores up to 50% of the user's maximum HP. It will fail if the user's current HP is already equal to its maximum HP."

Oh wow I didn't know this actually. thanks gamma!

VOTE: menalque good wagon imo.

[Ausuka]

"massive stretch", look at that use of rethorics, bravo Ausuka.

We still don't know what Sing does, so there's no point of keep trying to add that into the BIG OL' BAG OF INCONSISTENCIES IN THIS GAME.

You are not a real doctor. Like the end of every Brooklyn 99 episode, not a doctor, sh.

p-edit: softboiled heals other pokémon outside battles.

it's true though. you're just dismissing it for literally no reason.

it is a GLOBAL action! it is literally IMPOSSIBLE for it to have the effect it should.

[Ausuka]

"Softboiled restores up to 50% of the user's maximum HP. It will fail if the user's current HP is already equal to its maximum HP."

Oh wow I didn't know this actually. thanks gamma!

VOTE: menalque good wagon imo.

So you took the time to look up for how Soft-boiled works but you omitted the part that explains how it works outside a battle.

yes, i took up the time to look how it worked and when i saw that line i thought i was done. i didn't omit it because i didn't see it.

[Ausuka]

i can't heal myself: my synthesis is specifically for targeting someone else.

[Ausuka]

well that was awful.

[Ausuka]

why is that in my q+??? wtf?

anyway I'll probably just clear Jibril and FL for SS and rce.

[Ausuka]

Gamma you voteparked itle for two days consecutively and never gave any explanation as to why even though I asked. Why did you do that?

[Ausuka]

Alch why did you put itle at l1 with like 12 days remaining in the day?

[Ausuka]

Why are me and Menalque considered to be on similar levels of scumminess?

Menalque wanted flippy d1 over Avengers. he hard defended them d2. he wanted to lynch Deb and itle d3. he wanted itle d4. to summarize he has voted and pushed for every lynch, except the one that was on scum.

I wanted to lynch avengers d1. I consistently pushed that wagon d2. I thought that Deb and itle was most likely t/t and wanted to lynch outside of it but got ignored. I didn't want to lynch itle d4 and ended up being the only one on a counterwagon.

Menal has pushed a scum agenda. I've pushed a town agenda. I really don't think it's justifiable to say we're similar.

[Ausuka]

Oh yeah and by the way the two players townreading me the most strongly died the last two nights. That isn't a coincidence.

[Ausuka]

RCEnigma told me before he died to never lynch PB. It was his last wishes, and I’m gonna trust that.

What are the actual reasons for your reads? Surely you should be solving the game at this point?

[Ausuka]

Alch why did you put itle at l1 with like 12 days remaining in the day?

Because nobody wanted to vote Menalque and I didn’t want the day to drag on.

but the day had literally only just started??? what do you mean by dragging on?

[Ausuka]

Itle never got to make a single post to defend himself and you're saying the day was dragging on? What on Earth are you talking about?

[Ausuka]

What points are you referring to? The itle wagon as I remember was full of shady people voting for him for essentially no reason. The closest I saw to actual reasoning was pb posting his vca thing and nobody referred to that as their reasoning. A check seems to confirm what I'm saying.

So you're that quicklynching him is justified because there was a wagon on him yesterday, or what am I misinterpreting about your argument?

[Ausuka]

Jibril hammer was pretty unexpected, though

Okay this concerns me

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Ausuka]

Oh and btw we really should be massclaiming right now. Since we lose if we lynch town we should probably be saving the gambits for some other game too.

[Ausuka]

I'm not referring to anything specific.

[Ausuka]

While that's a possibility another possibility is that scum with their attacks can kill twice thanks to their own attacks or that the target could end up surviving due to scum abilities. I think it's a good idea to prepare for the worst so to speak and just play this like we'd play Myll

[Ausuka]

While that's a possibility another possibility is that scum with their attacks can kill twice thanks to their own attacks or that the target could end up surviving due to scum abilities. I think it's a good idea to prepare for the worst so to speak and just play this like we'd play Mylo.

fixed.

[Ausuka]

And I’ve already solved. I solved way earlier and back tracked. I’ve been out of town for a bit now, just got home this morning

I really don't think calling three players scum without justification is gamesolving and if it is by your definition it's not what I'm looking for. You know ss and rce can read me, they said I was town, and now they're dead. So why are you ignoring that?

[Ausuka]

What points are you referring to? The itle wagon as I remember was full of shady people voting for him for essentially no reason. The closest I saw to actual reasoning was pb posting his vca thing and nobody referred to that as their reasoning. A check seems to confirm what I'm saying.

So you're that quicklynching him is justified because there was a wagon on him yesterday, or what am I misinterpreting about your argument?

Points on everything. The gamestate felt like it was stuck in the same place after the Avengers lynch and it didn’t seem like anyone was changing their minds on anything. Didn’t really care to read through another 12 days of it.

But there were basically no points made? And people could have changed their minds if the day had continued? I mean I would've pushed harder against the itle lynch if the day had lasted longer and I realized a lynch was actually imminent. Anyway, d3 saw three competing wagons that fluctuated until a lynch happened, I know I had a big read flip during that time, I really don't get this attitude. I probably don't want to lynch off not getting it though I guess.

[Ausuka]

@Ausuka - i just have a really hard time reading your posts, and the last time that happened was when you were scum with me in Let’s talk about an on going game.

you have a hard time reading my posts? is this about how long they are?

do you think this is better meta than what ss and rce had when they called me town?

[Ausuka]

I don’t remember what game that was

Ausuka was in it too

floral mafia

pedit: so asking you to justify your reads in potential Mylo is 'verbally targeting'? what?

[Ausuka]

I'm not positioning anything; I don't even think you're scum right now although that's admittedly more because people are being more scummy than you rather than your posts being towny. I just want to know why you're ignoring the reads SS and RCE had, SS has been incorrect about me being scum I think but never townread scum me and RCE just flat out reads me correctly every single time. Add that to the fact I've tried to advance the town wincon this whole game and I think there's enough evidence to prove I'm town here.

Idk dude I just don't want to get lynched d6 and would also prefer to sort you one way or another.

[Ausuka]

D6?

I don't really think I get lynched today over Menalque.

[Ausuka]

same but instead of jibril it's menalque

[Ausuka]

Ok FL is town, out of the question.

Guys I think it's time to talk about Jibril.

i think i'd rather just sheep SS on her. what about her do you want to talk about specifically?

[Ausuka]

Ok throw another game by paranoia voting me
Master has a very smooth brain
Jibril doesn't bus

Game is stupid town has no investigate power, Snore

i mean to be fair you haven't exactly been offering an alternative

who should we vote that isn't throwing the game?

[Ausuka]

Ok throw another game by paranoia voting me
Master has a very smooth brain
Jibril doesn't bus

Game is stupid town has no investigate power, Snore

i mean to be fair you haven't exactly been offering an alternative

who should we vote that isn't throwing the game?

Any of the ones who haven't claimed

Such as yourself?

[Ausuka]

Can we officially state whether massclaim is happening or not

Massclaim is happening, or at the very least it SHOULD be. Everyone who's said anything about it seems to want it, including someone who hasn't claimed, but nobody who hasn't claimed is actually claiming, for some reason. Honestly this feels kind of bizarre.

@Gamma/Jibril/Alch/Chemist: what are your reads?

[Ausuka]

Spoiler:

VC 1.15

Skellen (3)

: Pink Ball, Menalque, Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald (3): Oversoul,

Avengers

,

Skellen

Dr Easy Bake

(2):

mastina, RCEnigma

Oversoul (2):

RedFlavor

RedFlavor

(2): book kid, Chemist1422

Avengers

(2): Flavor Leaf,

Emperor flippyNips

Alchemist21 (1):

love and friendship

love and friendship

(1): Alchemist21
Menalque (1):

Dr Easy Bake

Not Voting (1):

Something_Smart

VC 2.02

Avengers

(5):

RCEnigma

, Flavor Leaf, Menalque,

mastina, Dr Easy Bake

Menalque (1): Alchemist21

Not Voting (9):

Something_Smart

, Chemist1422,

itlepip

,

Avengers

, book kid, Pink Ball,

MariaR

, jibril, Gamma Emerald
.

VC 2.06

Avengers

(4):

RCEnigma, mastina

, Pink Ball, book kid
Menalque (3): Alchemist21, Flavor Leaf,

Dr Easy Bake

MariaR

(3): Menalque, Gamma Emerald, Jibril
Gamma Emerald (1):

itlepip

Not Voting (4):

Something_Smart

, Chemist1422,

Avengers

,

MariaR

.

VC 2.10

MariaR

(4): Menalque, Gamma Emerald, Jibril, Chemist1422

Avengers

(3):

mastina

, Pink Ball, book kid
Menalque (2): Flavor Leaf,

Dr Easy Bake

Gamma Emerald (1):

itlepip

RCEnigma

(1):

MariaR

Dr Easy Bake

(1): Alchemist21

Not Voting (3):

Something_Smart

,

Avengers

,

RCEnigma

.

VC 2.15

Avengers

(6):

mastina

, Pink Ball, Ausuka, Flavor Leaf, Gamma Emerald,

RCEnigma

MariaR

(5): Menalque, Jibril,

Dr Easy Bake

, Chemist1422, Alchemist21
Gamma Emerald (1):

itlepip

Ausuka (1):

MariaR

Not Voting (2):

Something_Smart

,

Avengers

VC 2.16

Avengers (8)

:

mastina,

Pink Ball, Ausuka, Flavor Leaf, Gamma Emerald,

RCEnigma, Dr Easy Bake

, Jibril

MariaR

(3): Menalque, Chemist1422, Alchemist21
Gamma Emerald (1):

itlepip

Ausuka (1):

MariaR

Not Voting (2):

Something_Smart

,

Avengers

If someone who has access to a computer could color these in that’d be great

Early conclusions are Gamma v and Jibril w off this

There's probably meaning in this but colouring has killed my attention span so I'll take a break for now... never thought revising would be a break from mafia but here we are

[Ausuka]

Instinct here is to believe fl's claim I think, it makes 3 docs but we don't have like investigative powers probably and I was townreading him anyway and so was RCE so.

[Ausuka]

Ok I'm going to look at 2136 and how the gamestate that was so positive for town lead to the Maria wagon dominating.

This marvel talk is kind of a slog to reread

Gamma is coming in at DEB, this may or may not be relevant but is worth noting.

If Menalque and Jibril are both scum, their plan is to Sheep me and empower me to single handedly self destruct town, saying that right now.

I’m actively pulling away from reading them this game, so other people do it haha

. . .

Gamma being coaxed into voting Maria by Menalque makes Gamma look slightly better and Menal look slightly worse. The gamestate is that Avengers is the main wagon and scum want that to not be the case anymore; Menalque is actively making that happen.

So you know that catchup I was meant to do?
Didn't do it. Coulda, shoulda, but didn't.
OH WELL.
I'll do it later.
For now tho:
VOTE: Avengers

Hi, let's talk about this

~ Black Widow

It’s a big mood

yes, apparently.

Now, back to alch. Would you vote him with me?

Maybe

I’m not that confident anywhere else but this post has my pocket radar pinging

Chemist why didn't you pursue this?

Avengers are scum, let's end them

In the context of this gamestate I think this is a town post.

anyway, I’m not willing to do avengers today at this point

Makes sense

fl i think this is a scummy post.

discuss

What’s there to discuss.

That makes sense that you are saying that you think that is a scummy post.

I was saying it made sense that likely scumMenalque doesn’t want to lynch scumAvengers, and is now creating a dichotomy between the players. A paradigm shift is on the way, and we will start to have a counterwagon pretty soon, I imagine.

This is Skitter?

Yeah, you wanna know where you indirectly scum claimed?

You have been acting like you’re scum reading me, key word, acting, but the last time we played together, you specifically stated that you don’t think that I could mislynch you if I were scum.

Now, I feel that if you were town and I was scum in this gamestate, you’re mislynch, like Thanos, could easily be inevitable, but I backed away from pushing you because I don’t necessarily see you as “lockscum” by any means, and I admit, the high quantity hydras I can’t keep track of for the life of me.

But the fact that you are pushing me here in this game state contradicts your own personal opinion of how ScumMe could interact with you.

a) i think you're trying to tie me to menalque - you're setting me up to be scummy no matter their alignment. if they're town i'm white-knighting them, and if they're scum i'm defneding them. either you're setting up a no-win scenario for you; that no matter what alignment they are they're scummy

and hey! the last time i caguht you doing this you were scum

b) i'm not acting like i'm scumreading you; i *am* scumreading you; try again

c) i'm a really, *really* hard mislycnh (when i'm actie and playing) and i'd *love* to see you try. i don't know whether scum!you would inherently try to mislynch, and your 'logic' here is non-sensical

this doesn't seem s/s either.

VOTE: MariaR

You defied us. Kuribo demands MariaR's head.

If it weren't for SS I think I would vote this slot right now.

VC 2.05

Menalque (3): Alchemist21, Flavor Leaf, Dr Easy Bake
Avengers (3): RCEnigma, mastina, Pink Ball
MariaR (3): Menalque, Gamma Emerald, Jibril
Gamma Emerald (1): itlepip

Not Voting (5): Something_Smart, Chemist1422, Avengers, book kid, MariaR

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to reach a lynch. Day 2 ends in (expired on 2019-08-06 18:10:00).

I think this is indicative of scum Mena.

Whyyy are Avengers not voting here? I can't think of anything that makes this make sense.

I actually think the Nancy vs PB thing is, like, really town-indicative for PB?

I don't object to the read on PB but the certainty. Ausuka though I don't feel like is anywhere close

hey what's wrong with what I was doing at this point?
I find it kinda funny in retrospect that literally everyone was just calling me Ausuka even before I switched accounts.

VOTE: MariaR

You defied us. Kuribo demands MariaR's head.

Interesting. Do you have responses from him and DGB on what I asked for?

They have not mentioned you. Try harder to gain their attention!

Hmmmm I don't think this is a team too actually.

I made it to 2251 and uhhhh I think I'm gonna stop here.

[Ausuka]

Is there anything wrong with Menal/Gamma/Alch as a team, or Mena/Jibril/Alch?

[Ausuka]

Alch/Avengers interactions still seem clearing for Alch

You don't think Avengers could've been pushing on a buddy there? Why? Or is there something else?

[Ausuka]

Mena/Jibril/Gamma work via that logic?

Regarding this I feel like the whole thing where Gamma really wanted to know what kuribo had to say about him is unlikely to come from scumpartners. I mean it's possible but seems less likely than just bussing.

[Ausuka]

Is there anything wrong with Menal/Gamma/Alch as a team, or Mena/Jibril/Alch?

Yeah, I feel Menalque is doing a good job running this game and keeping me off of him, tbh. I’m flip flopping left and right.

I’m not entirely sure on Alchemist, though, which is a little town indicative for me. I usually am hard pinged and watch Alch slip by day after day and he’s been under the radar which kinda seems like town Alch.

I mean, that's the thing. He has consistently been pushing the gamestate away from the town win condition and away from the scum win condition, pushing through mislynches and hard defending Avengers because skitter made some posts that looked moderately gamesolvey which she is like obviously more than capable of doing. He is pretty much the only person who could be doing heavy lifting for the scumteam at this point, the only scum candidate taking an active role in the game, and honestly I think there needs to be someone like that on the scumteam considering the shift towards Maria d2 and the situation we've ended up in, right?

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Menalque

[Ausuka]

Ok sorry I should have remembered to check before asking I am not the smartest person.

But like, I think it makes some sense for Avengers, who is getting wagoned, to push on Alch. If Avengers flips red Alch looks great, if Alch does flip Avengers looks great, they could also compromise to Maria later and get a mislynch and continue d3, or just drop it and keep the good associations.

[Ausuka]

I think Chemist is flat out just town tbh.

[Ausuka]

Wait FL you scumread Alch?

[Ausuka]

Why did you attack FL and why were you voting itle all d3 and d4?

[Ausuka]

FL is scum and town is just gonna let him run this exactly how he wants, smh

Idk why but this line is hilarious. I think it's the smh that does it.

[Ausuka]

...

L

[Ausuka]

maybe you're town and I just have no idea how to read you, but I have /some/ degree of faith in town!you's ability to read me, and so on the balance of probabilities I think the most likely explanation for why you've been so back and forth on me all game is that you're just scum

: ]

At least I managed to permanently record your cheating

[Ausuka]

so FL is scum for forgetting a game? why does he lie about something so easily provable?

[Ausuka]

does anyone want to coordinate hammer with me so we can pretend we're scum who just won

chemist/Jibril/alchemist scumteam wins!!!

[Ausuka]

It was a newbie, you were VT. I modded it.

[Ausuka]

UNVOTE:

[Ausuka]

I'm unvoting cos of the chemist thing and cos I want more time not because I think Mena is town.

[Ausuka]

Anyway, I have one other ability that is quite powerful and I will keep it under wraps for now.

Nah.

[Ausuka]

why does chemist lie about his flavour? i literally cannot think of any reason to do that.

i don't think it's incompatible in terms of 'water/electric is impossible' but as in 'water and electricity don't mix'

[Ausuka]

I actually think I was hated for trying to make my pokemon too normal

ok I'm confused are you talking about type compatibility or making pokemon normal?

[Ausuka]

Oh btw @gamma, I just remembered scum have fakeclaims, so Chemist's role PM is written by sky either way.

Is there a reason to assume Hail needs to be a move? I think avenger's role PM kind of contradicts the move explanation.

[Ausuka]

Avengers has been lynched! They were

Pikamander

, mafia two-shot rolecop + compulsive sunlight-bringer.

Avengers

Pikamander

Alignment:

Mafia

Type:

Electric/Fire

HP:

3/3

Abilities:

Detective Pikachu:

You have some pretty nifty detective skills. Twice in the game, at night, you may target a player to investigate. You will receive their full Role PM as a result.

Sunny Day:

You enjoy the sunshine! Every night in which you are still alive, you will compulsively use "Sunny Day." This will set the weather to "harsh sunlight" for the following day/night cycle, and the following public announcement will be posted at day start: "It's so beautiful outside! The weather has been set to 'Harsh Sunlight.'" Sunny Day fails if another weather effect is used the same night.

Factional Communication:

You may communicate with your team at any time [here].

Factional Kill:

Every night, one member of your team may elect to kill a player. Unless otherwise specified, you may use this action alongside other actions.

Win Condition

You win if at least one member of your group is alive and all other players are dead (or when your factions controls half of the votes).

The game thread is here. Please confirm by sending me a summary of your Role PM.

It is now

Night Two

. Night two ends in (expired on 2019-07-31 18:00:00). Please send in any night actions before then.

To be clear the reason I think sunny day is, like, the only setting move is that Avengers compulsively use their sun ability while they're alive, and both Hail and Sunny Day being used is kinda a messy interaction. Also I don't see why whoever claimed hail wouldn't, just, like, claim that they did so.

[Ausuka]

forecast
Storm clouds have appeared! Additionally, a hail storm is approaching! The weather has been set to 'Heavy Rain + Hail.'

Oh also what's up with this heavy rain thing?? Nobody's claimed anything to do with that either? Maybe if we flip another scum their role might tell us something.

[Ausuka]

Actually yeah that means hail pretty much has to be a move doesn't it? Idk where to go from here.

[Ausuka]

- Non-town players are given "fake-claims."

zzz

Pedit: ya

Chemist what point are you trying to make about me and gamma? I don't really get it.

[Ausuka]

Do you guys think I’m right that scum might not go for a quickhammer here in case of there being a protective/strong vig left who could potentially stop town from losing even after the mylo lynch?

I mean yeah that would be the sensible thing to do.

My instinct is that the hailer has to be FL or chemist which is upsetting because it means I'm bad.

[Ausuka]

The play is flat out crazy to me and you're the most likely person here to do flat out crazy things, and I think a lot of the other claims are likely true regardless of alignment. Like the whole 'hidden weirdness within the setup' thing is super FL. That said Rce did townread you pretty hard so idk.

[Ausuka]

Alright so if it lends some credit to me not being the hailer I sent in every combination of Vaporeon, Jolteon, and Flareon

So

I believe this tbh.

[Ausuka]

The play is flat out crazy to me and you're the most likely person here to do flat out crazy things, and I think a lot of the other claims are likely true regardless of alignment. Like the whole 'hidden weirdness within the setup' thing is super FL. That said Rce did townread you pretty hard so idk.

Wait you think I'd do flat out crazy things or was this talking to someone else

That was to FL.

[Ausuka]

well done scum thanks for modding sky.