Pokémon Fusion U-Pick [Game Over]

[Menalque]

maybe you're town and I just have no idea how to read you, but I have /some/ degree of faith in town!you's ability to read me, and so on the balance of probabilities I think the most likely explanation for why you've been so back and forth on me all game is that you're just scum

I’ve been flip flopping back and forth on you ALL DAY. If you were town, I was successfully town reading you earlier, and you don’t show up again until I start to flip back

yeah, bc I know I'm town so as long as you're reading me correctly then I don't have the motivation to SR you for doing that

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Menalque’s literally just scum trying to work me up

this is kinda cheap

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I'm feeling a little tilted which is prob stress from the new job/tiredness so I'm gonna take a minute

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oh, I forgot I unvoted

VOTE: FL

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maybe you're town and I just have no idea how to read you, but I have /some/ degree of faith in town!you's ability to read me, and so on the balance of probabilities I think the most likely explanation for why you've been so back and forth on me all game is that you're just scum

I’ve been flip flopping back and forth on you ALL DAY. If you were town, I was successfully town reading you earlier, and you don’t show up again until I start to flip back

yeah, bc I know I'm town so as long as you're reading me correctly then I don't have the motivation to SR you for doing that

You’re just OMGUS’ing.

I’ve also never played with town you (i guess that hydra game i was in that just ended but that doesn’t count), so I don’t understand why you state I’m just going to magically be able to read you if you are town.

If you are scum, you actively would know that I caught you early prior, but wasn’t going to actually catch you until later, but you killed me.

You didn’t kill me here because my death would directly implicate you.

I am town.

hang on a fucking second, before I go

you've never played with town!me?

LITERALLY MY FIRST GAME ON SITE

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>straight up lies after I say I'm taking a break
>oH i DoN't ReMemBeR hAlF mY gAmeS

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I'm actually going now bc I like you and I feel like this is just gonna get more unpleasant for both of us, which I don't mind if you're scum but if you're town then I'm gonna feel bad about it later

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Cooled off but I still think FL is scum

The fact I haven’t been quickhammered prob points to FL/aus scum at least

I imagine they’re trying to get one town to vote me so the final scum can hammer for the win

I think it’ll prob happen because, let’s face it, they’ve done a great job of setting me up to take the fall here, esp after I did their job for them by defending avengers while they were merrily bussing away

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I actually had doubts about gamma based on how he hopped on FL but I think the fact that a quickhammer hasn’t even gone close prob implies FL!scum too

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Only Gamma, Ausuka, and Chemist have posted...so you just conf bias slipped because lack of Jibril

Just bc she isn’t posting doesn’t mean she isn’t there

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they’ve done a great job of setting me up to take the fall here, esp after I did their job for them by defending avengers while they were merrily bussing away

What would be the purpose of bussing Avengers there and then NOT taking you down with them?

That’s where Menalque’s logic fails.

Simple: do itle/deb first, as you did, then push me in lylo/mylo as there’s a better narrative for you to push for scum!me than there prob would have been for either of the others

Actually, I think this implies that PB isn’t scum, so the solve is likely FL/aus/jibril

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Unless you were arguing in the PT about whether to just do me and PB convinced you to save me for here

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That’s very surface level and not how I push.

If you can say “simple” that PROVES it’s not me.

But doing a push that’s not how you push so that you can make the argument that you don’t push like that isn’t at all surface level and is very you

So point still holds

Also you were just trying to argue that the WIFOM levels aren’t high enough for you to be scum weren’t you? And then this

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Also a really clever way to bring it up, because I just realised that now it looks like I’m the one trying to create WIFOM and not you

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You are pushing a narrative of me pushing a narrative, and like, it works, but I’m town, so it’s been you who abused itlepip/Deb mislynches with buddies, and wanted to get me here.

You’ve been killing off my supporters as well. And killed SS to frame me.

The problem with this is it doesn’t make sense

I play to win, I don’t play to bill big balls it

There are much better contenders for scum!me to push a mislynch against, there’s very little motivation for me to being you who it’s gonna be a massive uphill struggle to win a 1v1 against

What motivation is there for scum!me to try and mislynch you of all people? You literally boasted about how hard you are I mislynch in my first game with you

The only reason scum!me would bring you this far would be for bragging rights of having beaten you straight up as scum

But as is clear from my meta with you, I’d much rather go for the win and just kill you early on

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But I’m not scum

Yes, you are

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Also you were just trying to argue that the WIFOM levels aren’t high enough for you to be scum weren’t you? And then this

This is a point for my side...you said “simple” and high WIFOM is what I said. You we’re pushing as simple which is not the type of WIFOM I give.

Town doesn’t make cases like you are here. You have tied together a case that makes sense, so when covering stuff up, it’s simple because you can tie stuff together

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You’re posting is correct.

Everything you are saying is correct. It’s a nice case.

I’m just town, so it’s not right.

What? Are you seriously arguing that my case is too good for it to be right or am I missing some throng?

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Scum!me kills you N1 rather than let you get to this point and risk you catching scum!me

Scum!me kills you last night over RCE 99 times out of 100

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Also, if you scum read me, why were you attacking Alchemist over me?

Nice try at diverting the focus

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Gamma is town by virtue of you being scum

Or you weirdly think that you might lose this 1v1 so gamma is planting a vote on you as some sort of insurance

Oh, actually that could fit I guess, if you think you can swing two townies to vote me and then if something does go wrong in the night and you don’t win all the susp is prob off gamma after they lynch you tomorrow

But I’m not really sure on the 3rd partner, I’m just pretty sure on you/ausuka

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Also, if you scum read me, why were you attacking Alchemist over me?

Nice try at diverting the focus

Actually, that was me directly focusing on you, because your night actions don’t line up. You stated you were attacking Alchemist, but the test proved back...THAT WAS A LIE

What? This proves nothing? “The test proved back?”

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My actions line up perfectly — I’ve been back and forth on you in accordance with what I’ve seen as your accuracy on my slot and your progression

I prob shouldn’t have let my suspicion of you die down as much as I did when you’d back off of me, and I’m sorry if that’s what ends up losing town this game, it’s something for me to remember next time I play with you and to work on

But alch seemed susp those nights and that’s why I targeted him

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N2 he was a bad call I think, and I can’t rmemer why I went for him that night

N3 I based it largely off mastina’s readslist after the deb flip

N4 I was sxumreading you but didn’t think your abilities were that strong so I decided to save it for the off chance that I made it through today and had a good chance of blocking the last scum tonight or tomorrow as I think a scum!you flip confirms me as town here

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Prob need to use it on ausuka if I get nislynched today

Sounds like enough damage hasn’t been done but I strongly suspect she lied about using her doc and that she’s been saving it for endgame

So vigging FL wouldn’t work bc of that I think

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Also, pagetop

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One more thing that no one actually claimed at any point

Should we be claiming HP values? Are we allowed to do that?

I mean

I did

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Well, gg scum

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I guess it prob is gamma, but we’ll see who hammer is I supoose

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If FL is town then I’m legit sad at how easy this was for scum

I mean, I don’t for a second think he is

But still

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I’m L-1 aren’t I?

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And you couldn’t kill me earlier because of conf townies, and direct implications of you being hit as scum after I flip

Okay then, why didn't RCE due until n4?

Because he came out as Mason Day 3....?

Pretty sure mastina claimed that D1

Yeah but it was mastina, so I for one didn’t think that it was serious

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And you couldn’t kill me earlier because of conf townies, and direct implications of you being hit as scum after I flip

Okay then, why didn't RCE due until n4?

Because he came out as Mason Day 3....?

Pretty sure mastina claimed that D1

Mastina claims that EVERY day 1

I think he means mastina claimed RCE as her partner D1

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I don’t think I am tunnelling you as opposed to reaching an revolved read on you

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If you can explain why you think this is just a tunnel on town!you I’ll at least think about it

Bc that prob does mean gamma!scum here

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Reaching an evolved read*

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That relied on that being a real mason claim, which I didn’t see it as a real mason claim until Mastina STOPPED bringing it up and played more subtle with it.

Mastina and RCE both were hard town reading me too. They don’t die if I’m scum.

I have also used Mastina multiple times to get a mislynch I want. I don’t kill Mastina there.

You might not, but there was at leat one other high tier scum player in the game, so maybe skitt would?

Why should I think you get your way for sure

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Reaching an evolved read*

was that a pun

Let’s say yes

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I don’t think I am tunnelling you as opposed to reaching an revolved read on you

No, you’re tunneled, because I was going in teams of 3, and going over every single player, and whenever you came up as scum, you’d come in and focus on me with others rather than a collective.

This is either town you tunneling incorrectly or scum you tunneling for a mislynch.

That does make sense

But I feel like all your other play here is scum!indicative

And that the fact you haven’t been lynch and I haven’t been lynched prob implies scum!you?

Also I’m just v paranoid about having been on scum you only to have you talk me out of it esp when you’re good at persuading me even if it leads to the wrong conclusion (e.g. teacher!scum in our first game together)

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I’ve gotten mislynched in lylo twice recently.

I also make end game quite a lot because people think they can tame the leaf

, and I play erratically.

Hmm?

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If it’s not you then it’s ausuka, gamma, (jibril, PB, alch) I think

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FL what was that scum game you efforts recently and won?

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The one where you bussed?

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That was upick?

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Ugh okay

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Conditional UNVOTE:

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I guess it’s a minor pride point that I’d like to have been voting scum!you if I do get quickwagoned and you do turn out to be scum while I try to get around to at least skimming the games where you bussed

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But not enough that I wanna risk town!you getting wagoned while I’m doing it

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I honestly don’t care who we lynch at this point.

I still think it’s Menalque, Gamma, Jibril, with off chance of Alchemist/PB somewhere in there, but that’s just when I get worked.

Alchemist needs to claim

I start talking myself back into a townread on you, which would make the team ausuka/gamma/prob jibril

And then you go and say this

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And you missed my next post after that conveniently.

Oh I can’t read, yeah fair

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Alch what type are you then? Ghost/water?

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Also, did you use your abilities yet?

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And FL why do you TR ausuka again?

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Oh btw @gamma,

I just remembered scum have fakeclaims

, so Chemist's role PM is written by sky either way.

Is there a reason to assume Hail needs to be a move? I think avenger's role PM kind of contradicts the move explanation.

How do you know this again?

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Kay cool, figured a scum slip there was p unlikely but bought it was worth checking

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Do you guys think I’m right that scum might not go for a quickhammer here in case of there being a protective/strong vig left who could potentially stop town from losing even after the mylo lynch?

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Bc that’s the only way I think I can find ausuka town

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I guess FL TRing her doesn’t make him scum tho, bc if he’s town who’s wrong about me he could also just be town who’s wrong about her

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Whats w/w?

Also alch which nights did you use your ability?

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If you pay attention to game state, I’m also the one in the game being setup to be mislynched here.

Isn’t this reliant on scum!me?

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I think gamma is scum plus one of ausuka/FL

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Somehow I’m currently leaning it being ausuka despite yesterday

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But like I’m also iffy because mastina called gamma out as one of the most mislynchable players onsite atm

So while this could be scum!gamma hiding behind that to be scummy

It could also be town!gamma being brought to this point so he can be pushed as the mislynch

But then again, scum have been pushing me somewhere, so I think theory 1 is more likely

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If you pay attention to game state, I’m also the one in the game being setup to be mislynched here.

Isn’t this reliant on scum!me?

Nah. It’s all around, you’re just the front of it, which might give you town points

Do you mean town points in the eyes of town or in your eyes?

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If you pay attention to game state, I’m also the one in the game being setup to be mislynched here.

Isn’t this reliant on scum!me?

Nah. It’s all around, you’re just the front of it, which might give you town points

Do you mean town points in the eyes of town or in your eyes?

Town in general vs town!you I mean

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Gamma, Ausuka, Pb, and Chemist are all also poisoned for it.

Which makes sense because last scum is jib or Alch, who wouldn’t take that direct stance

Who do this to?

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Fuck me

Who is this to*

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Is it bad that my thought process is part going to “am i more embarrassed by losing from mislynching town!FL while being manipulated by scum or am I more embarrassed by losing through mislynching ausuka/gamma through being manipulated by scum!FL”?

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Is it bad that my thought process is part going to “am i more embarrassed by losing from mislynching town!FL while being manipulated by scum or am I more embarrassed by losing through mislynching ausuka/gamma through being manipulated by scum!FL”?

not at all

Why do people gotta talk me into TRs on them only to say stuff that then makes me paranoid again

This feels a lot like you’re just subtly trying to create WIFOM chem

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Gg scum

I got trust myself more

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I licked PB last night because I thought he was more likely to be scum than FL, but I did wonder whether the “oh shit I invited too late” thing was staged

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Man, that feeling when I thought SS and RCE were gonna be my biggest thorns, then find out Menalque was just jabbed into me, and I couldn’t get it out.


But I hard sweet talked you into town reading me eventually. I’m proud of that.

Lmao, you played that well

Right after I got tilted when I came back to thread I had this wonderful feeling of calm and certainty that you were scum — I’d never had that before so I didn’t know how to react, so I kinda let the paranoia get back into me

You played me really well tho, I should have focused more on what you’d been doing (or stayed focused on that) instead of listening to what you were saying

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I don’t think I was that much of a thorn tho? I don’t think I ever had the juice to be a real threat after the avengers defence, which I’m guessing is part of why you kept me alive as a mislynch option in spite of y read on you?

Plus I’m guessing you were confident enough to think you could talk me round

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lol, I was lowkey wondering about scum!gamma bc his play was different here to ruby but I didn't wanna push it because I was worried PB would stop TRing me when I was a possible mislynch on D3 and he was the main person not wanting to lynch me

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they’ve done a great job of setting me up to take the fall here, esp after I did their job for them by defending avengers while they were merrily bussing away

What would be the purpose of bussing Avengers there and then NOT taking you down with them?

That’s where Menalque’s logic fails.

Simple: do itle/deb first, as you did, then push me in lylo/mylo as there’s a better narrative for you to push for scum!me than there prob would have been for either of the others

Actually, I think this implies that PB isn’t scum, so the solve is likely FL/aus/jibril

was I right about this, apart from being off on aus/jibril?

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wait, would my RB have stopped the NK if I'd hit the killer?

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so that comes before RB in NA resolution? okay, I feel better about aiming for using it on PB now

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lol, I was lowkey wondering about scum!gamma bc his play was different here to ruby but I didn't wanna push it because I was worried PB would stop TRing me when I was a possible mislynch on D3 and he was the main person not wanting to lynch me

How do you think, I scumlocked you in Surprise? Your play was 180 degrees different in that game.

Yeah, that game did not go how I wanted apart from winning

I was trying to copy a thing skitt did but it just wasn’t natural for me and then I got locked into it

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I forgot to say thanks for modding, Sky!

Ditto, thanks sky

Flavour was great!