Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

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i have internet for tonight because we're car camping until tomorrow
how exciting

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]VOTE: bingle
lets fucking kick this guys ass

pedit: hmm i think ceph is playing kond of dofferent so far tbh

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oh good point

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to both of you

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marquis im not gonna bully you atm does that help

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as bad as fishs scummy terrible bad scumclaiming vote currently is
i dont really see anything scummy beyond that

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are you unable to read the posts of the person youre voting for

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this is no time for jokes mother fucker

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VOTE: pine
i guess this is technically more productive

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i mean
if you read my post and think long and hard about who fish is voting
you may find we arent in disagreement there lol

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wow i got downgraded!!
and im voting for pine too how rude!

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i almost rvs voted him on principle but it seemed too easy
maybe thats what hes going for

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is there any easier kind of fake productivity to generate than calling a few posts town/scum

pedit lame vote

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ok ya sure deffs ok i bet
definitely
believable truthful honest earnest yup ok sure yah okay

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its okay fl is lying about claims everytime no matter what just wait and see

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pops scummy. miller callout post was super off.
flavor and bingle townish

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my back fucking hurts so bad why do people go camping wtf

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i was advised that murdering goodscum is goodplay because badscum wont last to endgame
we should bully pine until he starts being town or we kill him real good ya feel?

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D1L is also actively choosing not to play the game in terms of scumhunting which probably has some scum equity

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its not working its worse abandon ship while you can!!!!
its also not rvs anymore

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next time be harder to lynch then instead of trying to guilt trip me >:{

you have 0 inclination as to who is or isnt scum at this point then?

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do you also think pop is town?

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just read like fake scum concern to me
i can be more detailed in lol4days when i have a computer again

but then ill probably have a lot more to catch up on/prioritize so this may be a bad promise to make :p

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would you be willing to help get a pine wagon going on a functional basis?

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oh ok then

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ur voting fish lol

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pops is also she btw

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i mean idk i dont really see anything obviously scummy about fish
my guess as to their main isnt helping my confidence in reading them either though so if you point a gun at me and convince me that theyre scum with also some words im open to being persuaded

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in terms of pops i think being "ahhhhhhh wtf" about people claiming things is veryyyyy safe content for scum to generate
and im not sure i believe how much she cared about it if that makes sense?

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wow why not just call pine scum and steal ALL MY READS while youre at it :p

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nah dw im really bad at scum now
but im also doing the same with you to some extent so im probably a hypocrite lol

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i think they are a secret alt
otherwise i dont understand their comment at me

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threaten to beat people up if they dont wagon pine that way theyll be too scared of your fists to vote you

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its retro and back in now

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so what youre saying is
we should poke him?

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im done for the weekend all pls lynch the scum before i get back

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Gork gave some scum vibes, when he gave me kinda serious reason to scumread Pop, but wanted Pine wagon going instead

except i literally said this:

i was advised that murdering goodscum is goodplay because badscum wont last to endgame
we should bully pine until he starts being town or we kill him real good ya feel?

thus i counter your point and destroy it to the ground you better not dare call me scummy ever again! especially when im not here to bully you about calling me scummy!

hi all im back from camping.
i had reception during the car ride back and vaguely saw that people were mad at people for long extended periods of time and it looked really boring. i hope the rest of the thread is better.

i have an appointment with pizza tonight, so tomorrow is dedicated to cleaning camping supplies and reading this game. how exciting weeee
might respond to things later tonight if im not out too late.

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FL I don't know if you know this but I am like 90% accurate when I've rolled Vig on site. The exception is the first normal we played together where my big was disloyal modified.

The way you're insisting we don't have this 1v1 tells me scum doesn't have a block available tonight.

so
pelican is scum
?

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im still working on catchup before engaging the thread but i just wanted to point this fun tidbit out:

I'm a strong proponent that vig should only shoot in situations that town would lose majority otherwise. The exception being a high info kill that eliminates a 50/50.

VOTE: pelican

im gonna bus him just for you marquis.

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eh, using sleepy brain for more than two seconds makes me feel a little less like thats a scumslip.
its kind of hard to believe that someone with experience with FL would take any claim from him at face value though.
and i dont really like most of the posts ive seen from pelican during catch-up so far, so, probably a good vote anyways.

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im not really sure what set me off on pops on first read.
i got the opposite vibe about him being mad about things on reread. :v

i have almost no feeling about fish monger.
the 1v1 with kuribo was really tiring to read. i remember townbinning kuribo for the claim when i was glancing at the game, but i was feeling less good about him when i forgot about his claim during my reread just now, until i hit the claim and thought "oh yeah true".
so im kind of shrugging at both slots [while probably still townleaning kuribo for the claim?] until i have time to actually deepdive that interaction and focus on it.

I'm putting Perry in my town pile for now.

Yes, perry is town. =\

can i get some words on this from both of you?

and while im bugging you kagami

If I'm interpreting Vecna's posts correctly, then that slot is almost certainly town given the disastrous Touhou UPick in which town never was permitted to lynch.

can i get some words on what you meant by this?
and on this if possible?:

I have vecna as pretty solidly town, if that helps.

DOL is probs town off tone.
croag/pine would be the easiest spots for lowerkeyscum to be hiding in while theres so much noise.
jjd has posted a lot and i havent gotten any kind of genuine scumhunting vibes at first glance.

highest priorities for me are trying to fully parse FL vs pelican, trying to fully parse fish vs kuribo, and then diving jjd.

not sure how productive i feel atm but will be setting aside time today so im not just plopping more shit on top of this game without being genuinely engaged with whats happening.

if theres something specific people want me to look at/talk about, poke me.

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I had agreed with Perry's early townreads, and then his movement toward me seemed both novel and natural given the opinions he had expressed so far (not liking fish wagon, TRs on D1L/JJD, etc)

would you be townreading pelican still if it werent for the slip?

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i still dont understand why anyone is assuming FL is trueclaiming.

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have you played with FL before?

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Nope, though I get the idea.

sorry i probably came across as more indignant than i meant to.

someone with less experience with FL while taking his claim at face value is null
someone with a lot of experience with FL while taking his claim at face value is worth scrutinizing.

p-edit: this seems like a line of questioning thats against the spirit of the game?

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idk if im just being tired, but is townPeli doing a dumb and not checking their rolePM not a possibility?

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thats more or less where my headspace is at too on pelican
his reaction to flavor pushing him is really bad

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i still think thats kind of against the spirit of the game.
ideally you shouldnt be trying to figure out whether someone is scum via the structure of their rolePM.

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i just went to look back at who peli was voting and
i find it hard to believe that they thought they were going to make it to n1 to shoot flavor while sitting a vote on kagami.

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peli can you drop a readslist

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okay everyone vote pelican so he can start playing the game again.

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im not super well-read on their play so far, but i can try/commit to looking at their ISO this morning.
was there something specific you wanted to talk about?

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What you think about JJD saying that there's 0-1 scum in me/ofr/you?

idrk why he said it and i dont really know who it is so its hard to have thoughts on it.
did he ever elaborate on why?

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idk if i believe FL?

do you believe pelican though
is probably the more interesting question?

What do you think about the application of this to Bingle?

is there something specific that Bingle said in relation to this?
from what i can tell it looks like hes considered the possibility of flavor fakeclaiming here.

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croag
ive got an even better question than the question i asked you or the other question that you were never asked but answered before

its
who do you think is scum and who do you think is not scum
and even better than that
is why do you think that

Tbh it feels like he's avoiding to talk to me at all

he seems like the sort of person that would be difficult to extract any information from without insulting him
or threatening to lynch him

so maybe threaten to lynch him and call him dumb or something while doing that

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He is casting lots of shade on the idea that townFL could be fakeclaiming here.
The townFL I have played with could be fakeclaiming here.

its probably worthwhile to poke at what Bingle's experiences with scumFL vs townFL are.
i dont think its improbable for townBingle to have that opinion.

im gonna say pops and fl are scum

this is just a guess

based on what specifically though?

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and to be clear i think "i dont think flavor would fakeclaim as town" vs "i dont think flavor would fakeclaim like this as town" are two separate questions
where someone dancing in the former category is wayyyyyyyyyyy more questionable than the latter.

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now you've just told me which one i shouild say

so im gonna say

i dont think flavor would fakeclaim like this as town

is it normal for parsing why you have the reads that you have to be like pulling teeth? :')
youre making it very difficult for me to understand anything about your thought process and gosh dang it is not making sorting you easy!

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seems awful close to l-1
how about that infodump

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Again, why are we lynching a confirmable role?

who should we be lynching bingle

and why are you not hitting people in the face to try to make that wagon happen alternatively?

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hbd ill even do this

unvote

convince me not to revote.

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xd

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this game is very educational thank you professor boon

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Nope too late either you're not paying attention or you're trying to keep your options open


We both know you're better than that

wouldnt scum have more incentive to keep track of that kind of stuff?

additionally i dont really feel like it makes sense for marquis as scum to remember your claim and be like "lol shoot him anyways" because youre obviously going to come back at them for it and vig probably isnt going to listen because of your claim.

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I feel like the non serious nature of my post wasn't evident but at least you spent time replying

frick dang eff i got bamboozled.

I'll say that's a tough town list to get behind. It's hard for me to townread almost anyone on my wagon.

i mean.
ive literally been trying to bait a response from you.
and theres no emotional weight behind you being about to be lynched by what you perceive as a primarily scum driven wagon
when youre a claimed vig who has stated repeatedly that youre not pushing flavor because youre going to shoot him tonight.

why are you literally lying down and accepting death if youre town here

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what was even the point of withholding your reads until now i dont get it

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It's probably in scums best interest to let us take the shots and try to move the Lynch elsewhere.

Scum probably don't have a roleblock available to them night 1 at least, it only really serves to explain why FL hasn't taken a shot down the line

i also dont understand how these stances line up.

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It's draining responding when most of what I'm getting back is "yeah this is scum" it's not conducive for any real discussion, even if it doesn't garner a townread on me. Most of the questions directed at me feel more like people looking for extra reasoning to scumread me and not genuinely engage me.

but you think that most of the people calling you scum are scum
so why are you just responding to them and not pointing out why theyre scum?

i feel like its a pretty sweeping simplification of the situation to imply that theres no reason that town should scumread you when you are literally not trying to push anyone.
do you feel like people should be reading you as town here?

I didn't want to go ehh, FL town means scum are likely defending me or avoiding the lynch and influence what the wagon looks like.

im not sure i understand. are you saying you were trying to bait the rest of the wagon out before saying that you felt like scum would be sidelining if flavor is town?
wouldnt that mean that literally all of your reads are entirely circumstantial based on flavor and not based on people's specific play?

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appreciate the answers, just want to roll back to this though:

It's probably in scums best interest to let us take the shots and try to move the Lynch elsewhere.

Scum probably don't have a roleblock available to them night 1 at least, it only really serves to explain why FL hasn't taken a shot down the line

i also dont understand how these stances line up.

can i get some words on this too?

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So when people were keen to let us 1v1 at night FL's counter was that he wasn't shooting while I was alive because he would just be roleblocked. He still had to push me as the Lynch but it's framework for why an extra shot hasn't shown up come day 3 or whenever people decide to take a look at him.

If this was a TvT thing I think scum would have nudged in a different direction because that makes it a possible 3 for 1 right? It's juicy. Which didn't really happen with the exception of jingle in like a broader sense I guess.

ohhhhhhhhhh okay you were saying this from the premise of it specifically being you and FL town.

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i realize im being a question machine right now
so forgive me if this is getting annoying

but can you walk through some specific reasoning as to why you think FL is scum here?
whats he doing that you think is specifically scum motivated/is unlikely to come from town him?
specific examples of posts would be ideal.

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because FL might be fakeclaiming as town
there might be a scum roleblocker

if pelican is just scum its optimal to just lynch him

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tbh i feel like pine is intentionally lurking
and i dont know if scumpine just tries to lurk this out if we're close to lynching a scumbuddy.

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okay im being rude next time you say something i disagree with!!!!!

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im so smrt. X'|
im gonna go sit in the corner and think about what i did.

I thought about peditting to let you know that Pine has done this twice recently as town, in G&R1 and Anyone Can Post

bleh.
so he literally just lurked out the entire game?

but I am trying to keep my post volume down because I'm probably already overposting

i feel like your posting content has been productive so its probably not a big deal if theres more of it?

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He showed up after he was more able to post for RL reasons. There was confirmation bias on how his lurking was interpreted and also I think his reads would have been more accurate if he had been able to keep up instead of doing catchups. I also mislynched him though a claim that was explained to me later as being verifiably conftown but I didn't understand the setup

ehhh yeah i guess with his current situation it wouldnt be surprising that his ability to keep up with games as either alignment would be limited.

bleh i want to love the idea of a pelican lynch but im kind of lukewarm now.
zzzzz

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i think i want this
VOTE: bingle

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Again, why are we lynching a confirmable role?

reminder that bingle was pushing this over and over without trying to produce any alternative.

feeling fake productivity vibes on it.

im probably going to throw effort at parsing fish/jjd tonight if i feel like procrastinating on more important things.

p-edit: wellp.
is it just that you still feel like pelican is the better lynch here?

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i dont really see how disliking bingle for detracting from a wagon without providing an alternative is an anti-endorsement of anything else he was saying.

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pretend im stupid
and i need to be hit in the face with very blunt and direct reasoning why someone is scum

is there a way to convey why its almost definitely the case that pelican cant be town who just didnt check their rolePM and latched onto the PT description?

Because you're criticizing and voting Bingle for detracting from a wagon while detracting from that same wagon.

And if you say oh well he didn't offer an alternative, it's like... neither are you. There's approximately a zero chance Bingle gets lynched today at this rate, so really you're voting Bingle for the same thing you're doing.

the alternative in this case would be bingle and theres really no reason to assume theres a 0 chance that anyone is lynched when we still have 48 hours left and i literally drove a decent part of the momentum on the pelican wagon in the first place?????

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and the momentum swung in like
a period of 8 hours.
so
super baffling take on someone trying to push something they think is scummy.

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i literally drove a decent part of the momentum on the pelican wagon in the first place?????

this is maybe an exaggeration.
but i feel like im not exactly not confident in my ability to drive momentum on wagons.

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i mean, sure?

i never said i wasnt????

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bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

people having real lives is TRASH!!!!!!!

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idk i still kind of think bingle is scum here but im a coward and its

pointless

because im only allowed to vote for pelican at this point.
so im just going to flap my arms about and absolve myself of all responsibility in this game until D2.

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i guess im also a coward because im waffling on peli partially based on the possibility of him flipping town vig too.
:V

cLaSsIc Me MoVe

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i feel like it might be overkill to give scum a vig given the rest of this setup too though.

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im going to say this again.
and if you dont get it im just not going to bother engaging you on this and you can flip tables over something youre super blatantly wrong about.

but there is literally nothing in the detraction from the wagon im calling wrong or scummy or anything.
NOTHING.
in the reasoning.

its SPECIFICALLY that he was detracting from a wagon without providing an alternative.
thats it.
theres nothing else there.

if you dont get that then idk what to tell you.

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i guess im just dumb as fuck and thought i could drive a wagon
sorry for being a dumbass?

should i just vote pelican and exit out of the game for the rest of the day?
lemme know thanks

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like cool you think im ineffective
i didnt think i was.

i guess my mistake for being optimistic about the possibility of driving something.

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im too bad to get you lynched i guess!

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good news for you i suppose!

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i hope fish and you are both town so that everything youve done this game has been pointlessly toxic.

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it really feels like your intention is basically just to call me shit at the game right now. Lol.

like sorry if im misconstruing you but like im really easy to rile up over people insulting my play?

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like youre literally calling me too shit to start a wagon
and then calling me a gaslighter because im upset about it.

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I'm saying it's a meaningless vote from someone who says they want to avoid the vig claims 1v1ing.

ive never said this though??????????????

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I'm saying it's a meaningless vote from someone who says they want to avoid the vig claims 1v1ing.

ive never said this though??????????????

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i should have just VLAed a day when i started getting mad.
or just replaced out.
idfk.

p-edit: i meant that he was pushing the detraction from the wagon, not that he was pushing the logic itself?
like
i can get being caught up on this a little without the clarification
but ive pointed this out so many times now.

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i'll concede that i misinterpreted you and assumed ill intent where i shouldnt have and said something arguably shittier in response.

but youre 100% misunderstanding that original post.

p-edit: its not that hes detracting from that specific wagon its the act in GENERAL of detracting from a wagon
and then not providing an alternative.
its fake productivity to come in, say "hey guys why arent we lynching someone who isnt this" without having any idea who a good alternative is.

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said something arguably shittier

than my assumed interpretation of what you said

in response.

bleh.

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i also feel like this is very clearly saying that i have no chance of starting the wagon

And I'm saying you aren't providing an alternative either by parking a meaningless vote on a wagon that won't pick up steam

and this is very clearly stirring that up?

You must not be too terrible at pushing wagons since you said

i literally drove a decent part of the momentum on the pelican wagon in the first place?????

so im just really fucking confused??

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realistically im just a baby who cant handle someone indirectly/directly calling them shit at an online forum game.
and i knew saying what i said was probably going to hurt.
so.
if anything i guess im just a thin-skinned prick who shouldnt be playing on this site anymore anyways.

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im legit sorry.
i shouldnt have said that. you definitely havent been being toxic. at most youre just a little prickly.
and i mean, im definitely equally prickly when im at my best, let alone my worst.

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sorry for trainwrecking the thread all.

im gonna take a break and try to be less spastic tomorrow.

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im back to thinking peli is scum.

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what would your wagon of choosing be?
and how much more confident are you in them being scum over pelican?

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whatever ill own the egg on my face if pelican is town.

is he l-2 right now?

will give him a chance to drop last will and testament before voting in case i counted votes wrong.

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basically we both are dummies for having alts like this

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bleh it was so much effort. i couldnt even do it for one game