Open 765: Haunted Village (Over)

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't know what you mean here.

It's pretty clear he means something along the lines of directing night actions.
Why are you being so bad at the game? I don't think you're as bad as you look.

[Beta Sapphire]

17

I honestly would pick a vampire into 3 PRs- just via sheer force of RNG you have a chance of hitting something.

Strongman says "hey you guys definitely have a healer".

Shit that's a good point

and why everyone needs to chip in their 2 cents

Ok, the ONLY 6 point 100% Zombie-safe setup
Priest & Healer & Trickster (or 2 priests, or 3 healers, or 4 tricksters and.... you get the idea)
and that warrants a vamp to prevent follow-the-cop nonsense

Can we start saying vampire/roleblocker instead of just vampire

Easier to follow

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd like to invite everyone to pretend that they were scum and playing this game with me
How many total TPRs would warrant you picking a role blockers?
3? 4?

3 or 4, if they are decently powerful and it's the best counter. Like you wouldn't pick roleblocker in response to a cop, instead you'd opt for framer and/or godfather.
Also I realized this setup feels like Pick Your Poison, but inverted: mafia pick powers for the mafia instead of the town.

[Gamma Emerald]

because it's safe yeah?

That's my issue, and I'm going to need town consensus/opinion/more experienced setup guys/

the scum team

to comment on this.

ASSUMING this game had like 5 cops.
Would you pick ghosts/immortals to fuck with the cop results
Roleblockers/stoppers/wtvs to "no result" PM them
or a Zombie because "lol fuck you guys" AND "well if they know we're going to pick ghosts/immortals, there goes our element of surprise"

Ghost/immortal. Roleblocker at that point can't keep up. Maybe zombie now that you put it on the table?

[Unstuck in Time]

The lack of a vampire/roleblocker suggests to me we don't have much active abilities. This is a 6 AP setup... I really think we have at least one trickster/non-consecutive commuter.

If we by chance don't have a trickster/non-consecutive commuter, the scum can't pick good roles lel...

if we have absolutely no tools to get rid of them it would be optimal to enter LyLo ASAP

I do NOT want to throw the vote to get into LyLo early. It's like throwing a tribal immunity challenge in Survivor, you're playing with fire.

Good point, I feel this post is town-motivated.

TL

[Beta Sapphire]

It's an RVS wagon...what about the speed is concerning to you?

Fair I guess. I just don't see why town would want a wagon so fast in the early day 1 during RVS.

BP

I'm reading Vorkuta town for the setup spec.

Little scum lean on Tris for sort of discouraging it. Had that on NaCl, but quickly came back around after realizing the scum knew the roles already. That also comes out as a slight townslip, but I don't put much weight at all into slips.

Also don't like how quick that wagon built up on Vorkuta.

BP

I feel like the concern about the speed of the wagon on vorkuta is fake considering it was just an rvs wagon. And I don’t like how you’re just shading an entire wagon without saying who you didn’t like on it.

VOTE: unstuck in time

-still o

[Gamma Emerald]

+Penguin: town for actually wanting to push the game. Reads just like in previous game with him
tris: acceptable townie level of skepticism/cynicism
RCE: setup spec'd with me. gets points
UiT: #99 gets a town lean for the openness

You may be being a little fast and loose with town points here.

[Gamma Emerald]

Agree with the PP read though

[Gamma Emerald]

17

I honestly would pick a vampire into 3 PRs- just via sheer force of RNG you have a chance of hitting something.

Strongman says "hey you guys definitely have a healer".

Shit that's a good point

and why everyone needs to chip in their 2 cents

Ok, the ONLY 6 point 100% Zombie-safe setup
Priest & Healer & Trickster (or 2 priests, or 3 healers, or 4 tricksters and.... you get the idea)
and that warrants a vamp to prevent follow-the-cop nonsense

Can we start saying vampire/roleblocker instead of just vampire

Easier to follow

This looks clunky. Think about the pronoun song from Schoolhouse Rock.

[Vorkuta]

if we have absolutely no tools to get rid of them it would be optimal to enter LyLo ASAP

I do NOT want to throw the vote to get into LyLo early. It's like throwing a tribal immunity challenge in Survivor, you're playing with fire.

idontunderstandthereference.jpg

Yeah no, that wasn't my brightest idea

Huhhhhhhhh
The fact that they didn't pick a roleblocker is interesting

Or just dumb

I look at the players and.... scum is bound to have at least SOMEONE who's skilled with mechanics and all that

Easier to follow

noted

[Vorkuta]

Ghost/immortal. Roleblocker at that point can't keep up. Maybe zombie now that you put it on the table?

But you get the 'reduction ad absurdum' point of my question?

Hypothetical 2 priests

-Immortal is announced = town clears are unreliable, 2 Red,
-Ghost is announced = 10 Green, 3+ red fake guilties, and the WIFOM potential of "I WAS FRAMED"
-Zombie is announced = 10 Green, 3 Red but good luck trying to lynch a red flip

hmmmm... no.

This is a 6 AP setup... I really think we have at least one trickster/non-consecutive commuter.

Shit I keep thinking that unded/scum needs to have an answer for EVERY PR, but their solution to this could very well be "let's just ignore it lawl"

[Beta Sapphire]

Come vote for unstuck in time, Vorkuta

-o

[Vorkuta]

Who are you and what makes you think you can leverage my town-cred to further your agenda?
*looks at hydra name*
oh hi orfhz

VOTE: UiT

[Beta Sapphire]

Hi

[Vorkuta]

Ok slight seriousness

I feel like the concern about the speed of the wagon on vorkuta is fake considering it was just an rvs wagon. And I don’t like how you’re just shading an entire wagon without saying who you didn’t like on it.

Good point

@UiT- ok sure, its recently become quite trendy for the entire scum team to jump on a single person because "There's no way all scum members would do that!!11!!", but put in the legwork please

Vorkuta (5) L-2 ~ Vorkuta PenguinPower, NaCl, benhalkum, RCEnigma

[Unstuck in Time]

I feel like the concern about the speed of the wagon on vorkuta is fake considering it was just an rvs wagon. And I don’t like how you’re just shading an entire wagon without saying who you didn’t like on it.

VOTE: unstuck in time

-still o

this post isn't genuine but I'll bite.

Vorkuta being on the Vorkuta wagon is indeed incredibly scum-AI, but I can't help but feel Vorkuta is leanscum at worst. Considering a zombie/delayed lynchproof exists this might be feasibly interpreted as a

scumclaim

.

PenguinPower's vote is a basic RVS vote, it is NAI to the power of 1.

NaCl's RVS/RQS combo vote on Vorkuta is probably towny.

It's pretty obvious I don't like ben on the Vorkuta wagon for the vote-waffling.

RCE's vote is L-2 but a basic RVS vote... I can't give anything beyond an incredibly miniscule scum dot worth like 1/1000 scum points



TL

[Unstuck in Time]

The wagon speed is what I'm most concerned about... if I had to pick scum it'd be ben and maybe RCE (the fact the RVS vote is an opening post doesn't tell me RCE knew it would be L-2, so that's why RCE is like one dot left of null)

TL

[Vorkuta]

Considering a zombie/delayed lynchproof exists this might be feasibly interpreted as a scumclaim.

Yeah... if you think about it, this falls apart because unless there's ABSOLUTELY NO WAY to kill a zombie, a D1 zombie lynch dies on N2. And an angel/vengeful trade for a zombie

is worth it

early on. Saying this to no one in particular at all
The D2 & D3 zombie lynches are the ones that make the role broken.

RCE's vote is L-2 but a basic RVS vote

What's the difference between PP's RVS and RCE's RVS?
Just log-on time?

vote-waffling.

Idk he shows awareness. Isn't this waffling typically a townie thing to do?

[Vorkuta]

And an angel/vengeful trade

Oh shit, an angel venge shot is disloyal (in this game- no ghosts/framers & immortals/godfathers to care about)

[Beta Sapphire]

I feel like the concern about the speed of the wagon on vorkuta is fake considering it was just an rvs wagon. And I don’t like how you’re just shading an entire wagon without saying who you didn’t like on it.

VOTE: unstuck in time

-still o

this post isn't genuine but I'll bite.

Vorkuta being on the Vorkuta wagon is indeed incredibly scum-AI, but I can't help but feel Vorkuta is leanscum at worst. Considering a zombie/delayed lynchproof exists this might be feasibly interpreted as a

scumclaim

.

PenguinPower's vote is a basic RVS vote, it is NAI to the power of 1.

NaCl's RVS/RQS combo vote on Vorkuta is probably towny.

It's pretty obvious I don't like ben on the Vorkuta wagon for the vote-waffling.

RCE's vote is L-2 but a basic RVS vote... I can't give anything beyond an incredibly miniscule scum dot worth like 1/1000 scum points



TL

Wait so you think vorkuta is scummy?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t think we should spend so much time figuring out power roles come day 1. Let’s focus on scumtells.

[NorwegianboyEE]

[quote="In post 64
-I don't like how Norskee is using appeal to his newbiness. Not a fan. My very vast experience with this (hi penguin, please confirm) makes me want to say that this is scummy.[/quote]
I can see why you'd think that. I've accused other people of this off-site.
But i am honestly just terrified of having signed up to such a complex looking setup, though my fears have eased a bit by now. I think it might not be as complex as i initially thought after all.

[tris]

I don't know what you mean here.

It's pretty clear he means something along the lines of directing night actions.
Why are you being so bad at the game? I don't think you're as bad as you look.

I understand that much, I just don't get the link between speculating about the possible set ups now, and people following directions later.

[tris]

I feel like the concern about the speed of the wagon on vorkuta is fake considering it was just an rvs wagon. And I don’t like how you’re just shading an entire wagon without saying who you didn’t like on it.

VOTE: unstuck in time

-still o

this post isn't genuine but I'll bite.

Vorkuta being on the Vorkuta wagon is indeed incredibly scum-AI, but I can't help but feel Vorkuta is leanscum at worst. Considering a zombie/delayed lynchproof exists this might be feasibly interpreted as a

scumclaim

.

PenguinPower's vote is a basic RVS vote, it is NAI to the power of 1.

NaCl's RVS/RQS combo vote on Vorkuta is probably towny.

It's pretty obvious I don't like ben on the Vorkuta wagon for the vote-waffling.

RCE's vote is L-2 but a basic RVS vote... I can't give anything beyond an incredibly miniscule scum dot worth like 1/1000 scum points



TL

Weren't you townreading Vorkuta earlier?

Oh! oops! VOTE: 60 was supposed to be a vote for VOTE: Unstuck in Time! I would like you to answer my question.

[tris]

I mean 60