Mini Normal 2092: Gordon Ramsay Roasts [The End]

[gobbledygook]

You have to hit the doctor directly though or else we just get endgames.

Yeah but Mafdoc is most likely bob ain’t it

If you believe Ico, then he is confirmed not MafDoc. I don’t see Bob as scum based on play.

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I wonder what the dead PT thinks of all this.

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You are a contender to get killed. What say you

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It is also your turn to claim

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Our POE pool is you, Ico, and Chem.

Ico has claimed a power role so that makes you and Chem the default kills

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Let Ofhrz choose who goes next.

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We are not going to nolynch because we will be left with the same options tomorrow, just without an emergency release valve in Inferno. He can kill tonight and hopefully hit the doctor even if we kill a townie today.

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I am a Day30 IC.

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(Just kidding, I am a VT, but Day30IC was a role I found that RC and Schadd suggested at one point)

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Well you haven’t been scumhunting so

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Look this is really simple.
Lynch Ofrhz. The scumpool will be left in (Ico, Bob, Chem).
If Ofrhz is scum, then by PoE Ico and and Bob cannot be scum because for Bob to be scum Ico has to be lying, which would make Ico scum, and if Ico is scum then Bob by PoE would them be scum. Either way this leaves us with a 4 person scumteam which makes no sense in terms of game balance. So then I shoot Chem at night and we win.
If Ofrhz is town, then by PoE one of Ico or Bob has to be scum, which by PoE from above means that the other by extension has to be scum. So I shoot Bob and then we lynch Ico.
Either way, the game is completely solved and there’s no way for town to lose. I can just Vig the doc (presumably Bob) if is Ofrhz is town and scum!Ico literally can’t win because he’s been outed.
I think the only way this fails is if Gobble is scum, which I think atp is really really unlikely.

So yeah, we’ve locked in a solve.

Yeah I think this analysis is slightly wrong. Ico can be scum independent of Bob. Bob can only be scum with Ico. It’s slightly different than what you’re saying.

[gobbledygook]

That’s a good point.

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At any rate you shoot Ofhrz/Chem, whoever we don’t kill today.

That being said, if the person we kill today turns out to be town, then that means Ico is scum.

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I just don’t see the Bob scumminess. Like he has been actively trying to figure out the game.

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I can see Ico/Chem and Ico/Ofhrz as well as Chem/Ofhrz.

It’s annoying that the town in the POE pool hasn’t made themselves obvious yet.

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Why Ico with either Chem/Ofrhz?

I really think that Ico's role is too much power for the town given the setup. Plus, Ico and PenguinPower voted each other a lot but barely actually interacted with regards to those votes. It is really weird.

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I'm thinking the team is Ico/Ofhrz and want to kill Ofhrz first but I need to think. If we are wrong on Ofhrz though it becomes a 50/50 for Inferno and since he is scumreading Bob right now, I don't want to take that chance lmao

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Why Ico with either Chem/Ofrhz?

I really think that Ico's role is too much power for the town given the setup. Plus, Ico and PenguinPower voted each other a lot but barely actually interacted with regards to those votes. It is really weird.

But why them instead of Bob?

And I am not really scumreading Bob. I just don’t know how else to reconcile a world where Ofrhz is town.

Because I think Ico could safely claim that Bob was a VT based on the other information in this thread. Fish implied he targeted Bob but did not get a guilty. Dunn’s crumb also implies he targeted Bob. I guess an Ico that doesn’t understand balance thinks another town role could exist so he goes for the claim on Bob knowing it’s safe and could lend credibility if he gets into a 1v1 situation.

[gobbledygook]

If the person we kill today isn’t scum, then Ico is Confscum. It’s just whether or not he is the doctor wifoming us by coming out of the gate and claiming.

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I would say that Ico is the doctor if we have to make that kill choice. I think it’s Ofhrz and Ico.

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VOTE: Chemist

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I’m pretty sure Chemist scumclaimed.

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UNVOTE:

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See it’s weird that Ico responded to everything I posted, but didn’t really respond to the things that I thought he would address. He completely ignored my PP and Ico vote concerns. He also keeps defaulting to saying he would never clear someone but in reality Bob was cleared. It is giving me the skeevies.

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Well you quoted the quote on the last page with my PP and Ico voting but not talking about each other concerns but you decided to talk about other things instead of address that point.

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I’m more concerned why you didn’t even acknowledge PP’s votes on you at the time

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Hmmm. I’ll need to look into something before I vote again. Let me get back to you on that.

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No I mean specifically when PP votes YOU, Ico. That barely registered on your radar at the time.

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Ah turkey feathers. I was strong townreading Iconeum before today, I am willing to stand by that given everything else. VOTE: Chemist

Good luck Inferno if it comes to you having to shoot.

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Evidently Chemist was not the doctor which means the doctor is going to protect Ofhrz/Ico (whichever one isn’t the doctor). Good luck Inferno.

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Shoot Ofhrz. If the doctor can self protect this game is stupid. If Ofhrz lives, then Ico is the doctor.

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I think this game was fairly townsided with Iconeuim’s role, but I’ll take the win!

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As a matter of fact, I don't think the vig kills were that awfull actually. I mean sure in hindsight they obviously were, but with the exception of skitter I think they were ok/good.

I would argue that all of his shots were actually good. The fact that his first two shots were so bad from a "meta" sense that they coincided with the scum NK saved us I think. Skitter also needed to go because this game was just not her game and she would have been a distracting and very appealing wagon target.

That said, I think that Iconeum's role should not have existed. Although its existence ended up helping scum slightly, as evidenced by my paranoia surrounding Iconeum. Trackers are very powerful in late game situations because they can get both guilties and innocents that cannot be reasonably argued. Although without a godfather, cops are basically the same as trackers late game nowadays.