Mini 2096: I Don't Remember the Name of This Game

[GreyICE]

Mastina, guess it’s lucky you’re lynchproof today

Also Mastina is lying today.

Mastina, quick, whose your strongest town read, I need to know who to vote.

[GreyICE]

Crap, Fonz, I was looking forward to playing with you, but you're Mastina's strongest town read, and thus my best chance of catching scum.

Vote: Fonz

[GreyICE]

Like, I mean, look how well this works. Mastina's strongest town read isn't Gamma Emerald. This is a slam dunk man, apologies.

[GreyICE]

[GreyICE]

VOTE: Baezu

[GreyICE]

You make such a compelling case

1st scumbuddy.

ez game

[GreyICE]

Fonz help

Which ones are genuine and which ones are scumbuddies wondering to bus

[GreyICE]

Yeah! That's "stfu, sir" to you rosterfoster. Address the IC with the proper respect.

[GreyICE]

VOTE: Cyrus62

[GreyICE]

UNVOTE: Cyrus62

VOTE: Dr. Drew

UNVOTE: Cyrus62

VOTE: Dr. Drew

[GreyICE]

Unvote, Vote: Cyrus62

This be a fine wagon.

Possibly, but while I might join that wagon, I actually really prefer this one:
VOTE: Menalque.
Pretty sure that he's scum.

like honest question here
does lynching scum even advance your win condition
because this kind of informs how i approach u

[GreyICE]

really
as an aside
i was hoping fonz was town
y u kill my dreams

[GreyICE]

really
as an aside
i was hoping fonz was town
y u kill my dreams

Huh?

95% of the time mastina strongest town read is scum

subconscious tick she can't help herself

Fonz

Gamma <- mod confirmed innocent child in nonbastard game

Baezu

roster
GreyIce

LUV
Jackal

Cyrus
Dr. Drew
Karnage
Menalque

see she put fonz above u

[GreyICE]

dude so was i
but this shit is like dowsing if dowsing actually worked
im convinced beneath the surface of mastina is some sort of Sherlock Holmes personality that knows everything
and dicks with her by doinking up her readslists

[GreyICE]

I would actually have been pushing mastina as scummy if she wasn’t unlynchable today

the claimed third party is scummy
u don't say
is there any other stunning insights u would like to share with the class
is gamma very town

[GreyICE]

like if ur trying to get lynched for saying obvious shit
keep on keeping on

[GreyICE]

this is brand new
i only see one other time you mention mastina in ur iso

VOTE: greyICE

You got beef w/ mastina or something?

it isnt very convincing that shes your number one scumread
and like theres more than one scum
besides im inclined to believe the idea that shes 3p with no win condition today what with the unlynchable and all
because unlynchable scum is deeply stupid
so ur basically just picking on the semi-confirmed 3p as an excuse to do nothing

suddenly inclined to trust mastina

VOTE: menalque

[GreyICE]

really
as an aside
i was hoping fonz was town
y u kill my dreams

Huh?

Why are we voting Bae, sir?

no no the confirmed town is sir
or pope
pope gammaemerald the first
may his rule be long
im just a shitter who cant find my shift key

[GreyICE]

if u actually believe that we are 10:2 right now
and 1 scum is unlynchable
shouldnt you be strongly advocating no lynch
since our chances of hitting scum would be sub 10 percent
which is just fucking silly

and why didnt u ask mastina any questions
or air any suspicions
before she voted u

[GreyICE]

Ok but we can’t act on Mastina scum!

Did elements join this game?

/in i don't remember the name of this game

yes

[GreyICE]

Ok so why does someone just randomly not get to play this game?

thats a question for the moderator and not helpful during the game
after the game ask any questions like that if it's not obvious from the setup
like maybe we find out that the president is actually evil and elements is a good guy
when he shows up to restore our memories after something happens

so it would make sense in context but speculation like that right now is kind of meh

[GreyICE]

well wouldnt u at least ask her a question and try and read her
this isn't a cop guilty u could be as wrong as any of us
its just totally out of left field and reeks of omgus

[GreyICE]

self meta is like if aids could contract cancer and form into some sort of massive cancer-aids ball like a katamari of bad

[GreyICE]

i mean you used to
you jumped the shark

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Also, on that note: pretty sure that once I get my memories, I'll know who killed Elements. Flavor indicated that I have knowledge there, just not something that I remember.

I mean, evil vs anti hero maybe, but there is 100% definitely a town...[/quote]
im sad my low key joke got glossed over
notice me senpai

[GreyICE]

We have at least one lawyer on site.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Jackal711

BAAAAD vote.

There hasn’t been any good ones so far.

And yes, that includes the one I casted for Baezu.

going through momo's vote counts the following players have been voted:

The Fonz
cyrus62
Lil Uzi Vert
GreyICE
Baezu
Doctor Drew
Menalque
Jackal711

that leaves your scum list potential at

Karnage
mastina
elements

and i suppose if you must be complete gammaemerald

so i guess this raises the question, why aren't you voting karnage since he's guaranteed scum to you
unless this response of yours was total horseshit, of course

[GreyICE]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Jackal711

BAAAAD vote.

There hasn’t been any good ones so far.

And yes, that includes the one I casted for Baezu.

Urs is particularly bad, though.

For funsies, anyone else want to tell me why?

ooh ooh pick me
is it because jackal is my mason partner?

[GreyICE]

why is some hobo with a chicken avatar posting in this game

[GreyICE]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Jackal711

BAAAAD vote.

There hasn’t been any good ones so far.

And yes, that includes the one I casted for Baezu.

Urs is particularly bad, though.

For funsies, anyone else want to tell me why?

wait no ive got it
jackal is posting a whole bunch in mish-mash games but not here
and that means hes lurking
and fonz thinks lurkers are usually town and shouldnt be voted
did i get it

[GreyICE]

okay i have a confession im not sure how much i believe in a wagon with karnage, mastina, and doctor drew on it.
and it does appear that jackal is flaking out based on his last post so yeah luvs vote is meh.
while luv wagon has gamma, fonz... and menalque bringing the most survivalistic vote ive seen in a while. while raw survivalism isn't necessarily scum its pretty fucking scummy the way he did it.

pope gamma, does your holiness think that luv is really the play over menalque here?

[GreyICE]

lets see. what alignment do you think gamma is, karnage?

[GreyICE]

i don't give a fuck if he's mailing it in you scumbag
i need 6 other townies working with me or the lynch is controlled by scum
i don't like scum controlling their own bladder function nevermind the lynch

if i'm not working with the one person in this game besides myself that im CERTAIN is town then im not doing anything useful
what, are you worried he's on to something with the luv vote?

[GreyICE]

youll know when im angry
where id rank you if you gave me unlimited vig shots is somewhere around 4th most deserving of bullets
are you worried?

[GreyICE]

of course not. i don't need town to help me in order to pull the trigger
no matter how right or wrong i am i can't lynch scum without town's help

[GreyICE]

there is however a deeper meaning there
if youre town, how do you plan to get the help of the town to get a scumlynch through? or do you plan to rely on scum helping you lynch?

- do you want to join wagons with other town players on targets you feel deserving?
- do you want to push wagons and get other townies to join you?
- do you want to become so universally recognized as a high quality player that you're a trend setter and people give weight to your words with no effort on your part?

the last one is what everyone wants and almost no one gets. so if that's hopeless, pick one of the above two.
if you're scum, keep on keeping on

[GreyICE]

Hey Ice is there anyone that you actually scumread? You can work with me <3

menalque, karnage
i have a sneaking suspicion that cyrus always comes off scummy so the fact he's coming off scummy here doesn't worry me as much as it otherwise might
luv is solidly in the 'hasn't done much' category so isn't a bad vote at all. plus a strong town read and confirmed town are on the wagon, so that's always nice. if you can't lynch a strong scumread, lynching a null read a strong player you're townreading thinks is scum is not a bad backup plan

mind you it's not that everyone not listed is guaranteed town, but that i don't have a strong scum feeling about them

is there someone in particular you want me to look at?

[GreyICE]

I join/start wagons of/on the people I think are scum and I'll take whoever wants to go with me. I'm not opposed to scum helping lynching scum.

Neither am I. But scum are clearly opposed to it. So if you're not working with town, you're letting scum decide to bus or not. That means you're just their tool. They can use you how you please. They can support wagons when you're on town, and either strategically bus or strand you without support when you're on scum. So you have to ask yourself "is Karnage a tool?"

You can answer that by checking how often you survive to LyLo, especially when you don't have a meaningful power role. If you keep surviving to LyLo, that means that there's a number of scumteams who think you're their tool.

[GreyICE]

Grey, I agree with you that following Gamma is the right move since he is the only person we know is coming from a town mindset.

But, not sure why you are tentative to join a wagon just because of people on it if you feel said target is scummy. You can sort out potential scum on the wagon after the fact.

Pre edit: I will say I am not a fan of Karnage though.

Lets see. We have a wacky game where no one knows their roles, no one knows what power we have, and no one knows what is happening (except potentially scum). So today is the only day where they could lynch anyone, regardless of power roles. Cops, Masons, Doctors, no claim (except IC) is immune to lynching, because no claims are going to exist.

In addition, this is a 12 player game, a count already unfavorable to lynching scum.

Do I think scum are happily bussing today? If they're blithering idiots, sure. I'm not saying I'm going to discount the possibility they're hopping on the wagon of a particularly shit scumteam member to avoid being obvious, but at the same time I don't expect it. It's not optimal play. Most scumteams play what they believe is optimally, and invent reasons to be doing what they're doing. In general, that's smart mafia, because in general optimal play is more rewarding than suboptimal play (that's why its optimal).

[GreyICE]

okay i have a confession im not sure how much i believe in a wagon with karnage, mastina, and doctor drew on it.
and it does appear that jackal is flaking out based on his last post so yeah luvs vote is meh.
while luv wagon has gamma, fonz... and menalque bringing the most survivalistic vote ive seen in a while. while raw survivalism isn't necessarily scum its pretty fucking scummy the way he did it.

pope gamma, does your holiness think that luv is really the play over menalque here?

Maybe. I recall liking the case on Menalque.

Okay. I'm fine where I am for now. Menalque's "it's too early to hammer!" shit was pretty sad. Does he expect he'll get a new role PM if we wait long enough?

[GreyICE]

[quote="In post 418, Menalque"no, I expect to actually have time to go through the game and look for scum if y'all aren't dumb enough to hammer me in the meantime[/quote]

I dunno, I mean I'm pretty stupid. I could be convinced to sell someone on being stupid with me.

[GreyICE]

Okay, I hate talking to scum, but this will be worth it if I stop even one instance of this stupid argument showing up on MafiaScum.

What is the point of voting if we're not going to lynch someone? If there's some gentleman's agreement that "well we can't possibly lynch before at least 168 hours have passed" then every vote in those 168 hours is just pointless posturing. Scum can do whatever they want in that time, because there's no pressure. They can do whatever wagons, make whatever posts, content in the knowledge that no buddy will ever be lynched, nor will they. What is the point of giving scum time because they're begging for it? Is the idea "well, it doesn't matter how scummy I've been posting, disregard all those posts because I'm about to make a sudden effort to look really town". Does anyone here think that allowing that to happen, wiping away all of someone's post history so they can make a huge effort to look really town, is going to

improve

town's win percentage? That somehow letting everyone mulligan and get a second chance to give you a better impression should wipe away all the things they've done?

No, Menalique. If you manage to post something useful, you've posted something useful. If you happen to get hammered, oh well. You know what's going to happen to the person who hammered you if you flip town? Fucking nothing. You'v been, eh, lets just quote: "so I've been shitposting? just because I'm present doesn't mean I'm scum hunting but just cause I'm not scum hunting doesn't mean I'm scum". So they'll have hammered a shitposter who isn't motivated to do anything and claims not to have been seriously scumhunting. What a loss for us if you happen to be town. And if you happen to be scum? Well, that's some fucking bennies right there.

So you want to know what's going to happen? You're going to sit here and wonder if you'll get hammered.

[GreyICE]

So they'll have hammered a shitposter

who isn't motivated to do anything

and claims not to have been seriously scumhunting. .

oh, also just a straight up lie in the mix too, that's groovy

Oh okay, lets run on lynch all liars. If someone reads the below, and thinks that there is no way that anyone could get from it "Menalque is not motivated" then vote me!

If, on the other hand, you think that "Menalque is saying he's not motivated to play well" is a fair interpretation of the below, hammer his sorry ass.

so I've been shitposting? just because I'm present doesn't mean I'm scum hunting but just cause I'm not scum hunting doesn't mean I'm scum

sometimes it takes me a while to gear up before I get motivated to trawl bc I find it easier to read through once things are established rather than as they're unfolding

look at my purge game -- shitposted and semi-SR egduf for most of D1 only to go back through and catch icon!scum from the reread

And I'll laugh all the way to the bank as we kill this useless scumfuck.

[GreyICE]

Considering that I am literally the strongest proponent of being pro third party? Of not fucking them over? Of working with them? To the point where, twice, scum have claimed 3p to take advantage of me when they knew this fact about me, yet in spite of this experience my stance remains unshaken?

Oh goodie, self-meta from a claimed third party.

You are aware that if you really are third party who doesn't know their win condition there is a good chance you are a serial killer, survivor, lyncher, jester, or other anti-town annoyance that helps out the scumteam. And of course there is a wonderful case where the third party is just scum looking for a cheap claim. Third parties exist to test for vigilantes, and to otherwise lynch.

[GreyICE]

Gamma is confirmed town, Mastina is confirmed vig bait. Wow, done.

[GreyICE]

Given that there's only one third party which can't win with the town and half a dozen which can, I am quite willing to take the risk of not being the one. And given that statistical odd of being able to win with the town, I will try my damnedest to do exactly that.

I mean you play how you want to, I can't do anything about it today. If you want to try to help the town, far be it from me to talk you out of it.

[GreyICE]

I don't think so. I specifically asked the mod if my win condition could change, and he confirmed it couldn't (although other details could).

That would mean that we're literally playing an all-town game, at which point, well, whatever.

[GreyICE]

At least I hope you agree that if someone ever claims 3P as the result of a wagon, the only possibility is a justice hammer of death.

God whatever, I so don't care about you and your unlynchability. There could not be anything less relevant. I wish to hear from our replacement, a little more from Uzi and Baezu, and hopefully some more guidance from Pope Gamma.

[GreyICE]

Oh god fuck meta bs.

[GreyICE]

Meta isn't perfect but it

can

work

On MORONS. If anyone has more self-awareness than an avacado, they will adjust their scum meta to fit their town meta. That is, after all, the point of the game. Most "meta" tells are either lazy scum excuses, or town finding exactly what they thought they were going to find, a Rorschach test where a failure of result is blamed on the player using meta, and not the entire process being little better than a Tarot card reading. "Looks like death inverted, the 7 of cups, and the 3 of wands, Menalque is either scum, or he's contracted a nasty fungus in his crotch".

Look, I'm not fond of Menalque's play, but I'm not going to dismiss him as an empty-headed buffoon with the IQ of lukewarm water.

I think Cyrus' take might be the more accurate one sadly.

[GreyICE]

Also, especially when the town meta is to put in less effort. "Oh, people think I troll, don't pay attention, and generally suck when I'm town? And I just have to replicate this to get townread? Easy game, easy life."

I can't work out a single piece of logic Menalque has used this game outside of:
- people who scumread him are scum
- viable counterwagons are scum
- he doesn't do shit so we definitely couldn't lynch him, that'd be unfair

[GreyICE]

I think it's much easier to read motivational tells. Things like playing scum is generally higher anxiety than playing town is a general note for most players (minus some highly experienced players) and no matter how people play it off anxiety is possible to detect. It's not really meta - there's a large group of people looking for you specifically, and it'll be bad if they find you. Even in the context of a game it's anxiety inducing. So saying "I had an anxiety-related reaction as scum" is not really meta. Anxiety is scummy, and you do have to get a sense of players general baseline levels of anxiety before you judge whether they're unusually anxious, but things like "X always does N when they're town" is just silly levels of specific that are trivial to replicate.

There's things about people's personalities you can take into account - Fonzie is always going to try to lynch lurkers, Mastina is going to derp about the place making wall posts and generally demanding attention, etc. And deviations from that pattern should be noted, and probed - but it's not a guarantee either. I'm rather notorious for wagoning every fucking mason in the world (except Katsuki) because masons almost always read as scum to me. Something about thoughts being hidden away inside a QT, having your thoughts influenced by someone else, and having a sekret reason to read someone a certain way sets off all the flags for me.

[GreyICE]

Anyway, if you really throw some effort behind it, you can probably sell me on the Uzi wagon (being confirmed town is always a great start), but this lukewarm "it seems good, I guess" is honestly about where I'm at with it. It seems good, I guess. I mean Uzi legitimately hasn't done much, he legitimately hasn't made brilliant response (that was going to be responses, but then I realized how little he was posting) so it's not a bad spot for a vote. I just don't know if it's a good one. It's not like he's unusually avoiding this thread, his activity level is just low sitewide so if we're saying Jackal isn't scum because they flaked sitewide, Uzi isn't scum because of low activity level sitewide. On the other hand, I could wish that activity was better.

Menalque just seems scummier overall to me.

[GreyICE]

did he happen to post in english in that scumgame?

[GreyICE]

you know it occurred to me you have a dry sense of humor and im going to have to reread with that in mind

[GreyICE]

Interestingly I think this behavior makes A50 town

Eagerness can be town, but also is stupidly easy to fake. I'll wait for more content.

That being said, the spot is a literal empty shell in the shape of a mafia player, so has a roughly 75% chance to be town.

[GreyICE]

And, sticks out that Grey Ice rages when meta is brought up.....but hasn't called you out on it.

If I called out every person in this town for doing stupid shit I'd have a novel thicker than your dick.

[GreyICE]

Christ, we're going to get 3 pages of one line posts about what alignment people were in some other game because of the words "mislynch bait"

Fucking shoot me now

[GreyICE]

Like.

Is there no other way IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE you might figure out Cyrus' alignment

[GreyICE]

If you truthfully believe that Mastina was selected at random, you can't believe her third party claim. A lynchproof aligns EXACTLY with a third party who doesn't know their win condition. Town or scum, either team can play to their win condition minus exact knowledge of their role. Whether I turn out to be VT or cop, or doctor or whatever wackiness, I can still lynch scum without that. Scum can still try and move the lynch on to town or position themselves to look townie without knowing if they're goon or rolecop or what. But a third party can't play to their win condition if they don't know their win condition. It's silly to even say. A lyncher, a jester, a serial killer, they all play differently. Therefore, there's no way a third party Mastina could even know how to win prior to "recovering her memory" (aka getting pmed an actual win condition).

Now what I don't know is if she used a scum ability to do that as a 1-shot and used it to sell the third party claim, because that's plausible. Or she's just taking advantage because one of the mechanics is that a random person is selected to be lynchproof (I'll have a better idea of this tomorrow). But I find it absurdist to imagine that an actual 1/12 hit and landed on a third party that just so happened to be the only logical candidate to start the game lynchproof from a setup design standpoint.

Cyrus, what is your claim exactly? Stop derping the fuck around. And no one else fill him in on what your role PM may or may not say.

[GreyICE]

Okay. Well, I actually read the game ad:

Please state your name and claim your role for the record. What's this, you don't know your role? You only know your alignment you say? Oh that's right, it says it right here. You have amnesia and the doctors don't know if you'll ever get your memories back. Who are your friends? Who are your enemies? If you're playing this game, you definitely don't know. But maybe, just maybe, with enough time and good luck, you'll find out.

This is a really cool game I've designed (with some help!). There's a lot of stuff planned to occur throughout the game so I don't want to give too much away, but over the course of the game, the town and scum slowly regain their memories while trying to achieve their wincon. Cool Amnesia flavor, a few nice twists, and a couple unique game mechanics occur.

I designed this game because I realized that a lot of people aren't having fun playing mafia. There are naturally a lot of arguments and the game has gotten very repetitive. I originally fell in love with this game because it felt like there was always more to discover. New setups, new strategies, new people, and new experiences.

Join me in bring discovery back to mafia and in making every game a unique experience.

Now accepting pre-ins!

Now maybe "the joy of discovery" means "the mod force feeds us events and we take them all at exact face value" but I choose to believe that exercising a modicum of brain power will help us understand the setup given the advertisement, and that maybe "randomly" in the post refers more to the fact that Mastina's role was random OR that she's not third party.

Still waiting on Cyrus. The longer you wait, the more I think you're trying to fabricate a good fakeclaim my dude.

[GreyICE]

You know, I don't give one fucking fig for the "scumslip." Whatever. If I had a dollar for every "scumslip" from town... well, I could have a damn nice meal.

This joke shit is 0% good.

VOTE: Cyrus62

[GreyICE]

Oh cool, Cyrus thinks his best defense is to be lynched.

Lets help him out, friends.

[GreyICE]

Oh ffs Gamma. ffs

[GreyICE]

It's not about the scumslipping! FUCK the scumslipping! NO ONE SHOULD GIVE A FUCK. INCLUDING CYRUS. Had he said "what the fuck are you smoking you crack-addled, leather-coat-wearing incoherent mother-diddler? My name is Slim Shady, eat my shorts." I'd have laughed it off.

It's about someone mentioning joke, and him clutching the lifeline like a dying man, even though he can't explain how it's a joke and it makes no sense, and his explanation getting increasingly more incoherent. Why the hell did he clutch the idea it was a joke? Why does scum ever lie? He "needed" to defend himself, because he knew that Almost and Fonz was right. It doesn't matter if Fonz's argument that he was scum made no fucking sense, Cyrus needed to defend himself from it because he knew it was true. He jumped at the first thing that he thought could possibly defend him.

And you know what? Fonz gets it 100%. He knows it was a thin fucking case. But the vote isn't good because of that, it's good because of the reaction:

He's still scum because there's no way that was a joke.

What's the town reaction to a case that makes no sense? There's quite a few. It can be "wow, you have to be scum because that argument must be fake." It can be "can you explain that better? I don't understand why it matters." It can be "christ, I'll be over here when you decide to return to the land of logic." And those don't prove you're town, good scum can fake those reactions. It doesn't matter. Cyrus didn't react like town, or like good scum. He reacted exactly like caught scum. It is a newbie thing to do. He is a newbie.

Fucking please ignore Mastina, pretty, pretty please. She just focused on Fonz. Fonz's case doesn't matter, it's not about that. Vote based on what Cyrus did in response.

[GreyICE]

Also if he's scum, then Mastina is 90% likely to be scum gambiting.

[GreyICE]

And because it's important:

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It's not about the scumslipping! FUCK the scumslipping! NO ONE SHOULD GIVE A FUCK. INCLUDING CYRUS. Had he said "what the fuck are you smoking you crack-addled, leather-coat-wearing incoherent mother-diddler? My name is Slim Shady, eat my shorts." I'd have laughed it off.

It's about someone mentioning joke, and him clutching the lifeline like a dying man, even though he can't explain how it's a joke and it makes no sense, and his explanation getting increasingly more incoherent. Why the hell did he clutch the idea it was a joke? Why does scum ever lie? He "needed" to defend himself, because he knew that Almost and Fonz was right. It doesn't matter if Fonz's argument that he was scum made no fucking sense, Cyrus needed to defend himself from it because he knew it was true. He jumped at the first thing that he thought could possibly defend him.

And you know what? Fonz gets it 100%. He knows it was a thin fucking case. But the vote isn't good because of that, it's good because of the reaction:

He's still scum because there's no way that was a joke.

What's the town reaction to a case that makes no sense? There's quite a few. It can be "wow, you have to be scum because that argument must be fake." It can be "can you explain that better? I don't understand why it matters." It can be "christ, I'll be over here when you decide to return to the land of logic." And those don't prove you're town, good scum can fake those reactions. It doesn't matter. Cyrus didn't react like town, or like good scum. He reacted exactly like caught scum. It is a newbie thing to do. He is a newbie.

Fucking please ignore Mastina, pretty, pretty please. She just focused on Fonz. Fonz's case doesn't matter, it's not about that. Vote based on what Cyrus did in response.

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Please town, we can make this happen. Sure, he might be the newbie, and the weakest member of the scumteam. Oh well. Dead scum is dead scum.

[GreyICE]

All of this is ignoring that it's not a joke, and never was a joke, in any universe at all.

[GreyICE]

Mastina completely ignoring what I said to whinge at me gives me warm fuzzy feelings about her being Cyrus' scumbuddy if he flips scum.

Find this post when I've been shot night 1.

[GreyICE]

Almost, almost, I like you buddy, but here's some advice. Don't argue with scum. Shade them, laugh at them, discredit them, and above all else lynch them, but whatever you do, don't argue with them.

Save arguments for townies, like Gamma.

[GreyICE]

All of this is ignoring that it's not a joke, and never was a joke, in any universe at all.

Wanna bet?
I feel like taking a bet here.
Wagering between my experience with newbtown and knowledge of the nontown role pm formatting.

I LIKE my odds.

Last time we bet like this you had to change your name to Mastin2.

No.

[GreyICE]

"If I'm wrong about Pine I'll delete my account" you said.

Well guess what, first I don't even town read you this game, and second I don't want you to delete your account again to make Mastina2. I'll settle for having dead scum.

[GreyICE]

Cyrus, what do you think a vig is?

[GreyICE]

Cyrus, what do you think a vig is?

a vig is a sharpshooter who gets to kill any one they want . it is however on town side . that's what i think a vig is am i wrong?

Okay. Then who the FUCK benefits from figuring out who the vig is? The town, or the people who want to kill the vig?

Because right now you are, what is the term? Oh yeah, just being scum in thread.

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Fonz, fonz, you found the thing. The thing that didn't fit. The thing that doesn't make any sense at all if he's town. You found it, you had it, you were holding it. You're still holding it. You know it's still there, and you know it won't ever stop being exactly what you first saw - not town.

It's not the time to indulge your last second butterflies. Yes, I know Cyrus is engaged, and I too wish that all scum were disengaged, useless, lurkaderps that never posted shit. Yes, I know at the relaxing of his wagon, Menalque has quit his promised reread (cue him returning to quote this post and yell that he's been busy and I'm scum for not giving him more time). Yes, I want to string him up by his neck until he's fucking dead as a doornail too. But that's not the point, Fonz. The point is Cyrus. Under the gun he can probably produce a pretty decent essay on why his reads have evolved. And if you gave me a game, and a list of reads I supposedly had at different points, I could produce an essay on how those reads evolved too, especially if I had a reputation as using moon logic. But this isn't English class Fonz, he's not going to get a new role PM if he gives you an A+ essay.

I was fine to let you quiz a scumread and see if you can get info on Roster's alignment that way, I'm not going to stop you from doing your thing and evolving your game, but when you start getting cold feet on a scum lynch we gotta tune back to reality.

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Will you congratulate me when he flips scum?

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Whaddaya know, I couldn't sleep.

LYNCH ALL LIARS

VOTE: Cyrus62

<3

Remember, he's scum, Mastina tomorrow. Don't listen to whatever her claim becomes, don't listen to how she can work with the town, just Nike it up friends.

[GreyICE]

I'm sick of these motherfucking VIs on this motherfucking plane!

I have a good feeling about this one Fonz.

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Gamma! Mastina tomorrow. Worst case she’s a third party who hard defended scum. Best case she’s scum who is gambiting and hard defended a buddy. You CANT lynch town there. I’m slated for a night kill along with Fonz, and boy she’s ignoring us hard. Please man, make it happen.

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I'm curious to find out how we get back our memories

Reminder to everyone else, poke this when I die

Good god Gamma:

Vice President Gamma Emerald is an Innocent Child! I, President Walter Sinclair, have recognized how valuable his memories are. He has increased protection.

Until your memories return,

the communists can not kill him in the night.

THAT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT HAPPENING. That's why I need you to see justice tomorrow.

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oh the tags cluster fucked. whatever. point is that you're unkillable

[GreyICE]

I know! Gamma's memories are definitely back. Scum can shoot him tonight.

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They started faking that tell around 2015.

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Funkybike,

On behalf of the playerlist I think I say that I would appreciate you running this to completion. This is not alignment indicative, I appreciate modding whether I win or lose.

[GreyICE]

Heard from Funky, apparently he's waiting on the listmod.

At the risk of being presumptuous, standard procedure is for anyone with a night action to forward their PM to him.

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Thanks for trying, Funky.

I was a town amnesiac.

[GreyICE]

I assume scum was some combination of Roster, Baezu, and Mastina?

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Ah menalque. Makes sense.

Wonder what the heck Mastina was.

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Also wonder who the night kill was planned to be.

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pft, I KNEW that lynchproof day 1 wasn't "randomly" decided.

Yeah, I'm betting either lyncher or serial killer.

Also this would make the second bet I've won if I'd taken it

[GreyICE]

Boy, page 2 is just scum telling each other they're pretty sure they know they're both scum together, ain't it?

[GreyICE]

Okay, it should be lyncher if this was sensibly designed. Serial killer with a giant red flag that they're a serial killer from day 1 is terrible. I mean people start getting stabbed to death, we'd be like... "okay, it's the person who was lynchproof day 1, because they didn't know their own win conditions."

Maybe you were a usurper-style townie who needed a specific person dead to win? Probably Gamma if it worked like that.

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I don't think they had enough shots in any reality to win this.

Like the suicidal vigilante role, that's a great way to have 2.5 scum in a game. Might have to borrow it if I ever need that sort of thing.

[GreyICE]

Like they shoot you. Well Fonz wants Roster dead, Mastina and me want Menalque dead, maybe Baezu gets mislynched, and then they're very short on mislynchable people? Uzi maybe, but that still doesn't get them there. Town was pretty damn good at looking town this game.

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Well this isn't how I'd wanted my one comeback game after five years away to end, especially as I'm not sure I want to start another (I really got to hate being scum by the end of playing regularly). Maybe I'll replace into a slot a think looks obvtown.

The heated arguments we'd have had day two about whether to lynch Roster, Menalque or Mastina D2 would have been something.

Eh, I wasn't planning on fighting you very hard if you wanted to go Roster. Although he would have suicide vigged and then we'd have had to pick another person by default.

[GreyICE]

Oh god yes, that needed to happen.

Although my post lynch baying for Mastina's death was mostly so she'd definitely NK me if she were scum. If you got NKed instead I was planning to take a look at Roster.

Also!

Menalque prob town if Cyrus scum.

They started faking that tell around 2015.

Told you they started faking that one a while back. I swear every scumbutt on the planet knows that you should stick to your guns vocally post hammer.

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Eh, I figured I could probably sell you on it if it came down to it. Mastina started a good wagon, I was happy to sheep.

Truth to be told, I was happy you were pushing Uzi, damned if I could tell his alignment from the six or so posts.

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Hmm, I’ll bear that in mind.

No, I wasn’t. I can only assume that if roster was the only one who knew who the other scum were that cyrus wasn’t either.

the name thing was bullshit i was realy scum hunting the whole time

Oh gosh, it was bullshit. Who cares? You lied about it, you had to die.

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i didnt lie about it i only knew my name so how did i lie excatly

You made that horrible, horrible "joke" excuse. Y'know, I did actually explain this while I was rallying people to lynch you.