Open 765: Haunted Village (Over)

[Something_Smart]

How am I tonally different?

[Beta Sapphire]

I’ve also warmed up to tris bc I feel like she’s getting to similar conclusions as me

-M

[Beta Sapphire]

Idk I need to read your ISO more closely but I feel like you’re advancing te game less with what you’re posting this in my past experience with you

-M

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think it's weird how SS is refusing to place me too.
@Something_Smart Are you trying to make me look scummy on purpose?

[Beta Sapphire]

But, in fairness, that could be because you’re catching up.

I’d like to get to the point where I have a good read on you one way or the other because i think town!you thinks in a different yet complementary way to town!me so if i can get to a TR on you it’ll be useful to bounce ideas off you as well as ofhrz

-M

[Something_Smart]

Idk I need to read your ISO more closely but I feel like you’re advancing te game less with what you’re posting this in my past experience with you

I assume that feel is because I'm catching up... but what gave you the impression that I usually make an effort to advance the game? I did shit-all in pfup.

[Something_Smart]

@Something_Smart Are you trying to make me look scummy on purpose?

No. How am I making you look scummy?

[Something_Smart]

I’d like to get to the point where I have a good read on you one way or the other because i think town!you thinks in a different yet complementary way to town!me so if i can get to a TR on you it’ll be useful to bounce ideas off you as well as ofhrz

Gotcha. Give it some time. I'm very much opposed to forcing reads of any kind.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Something_Smart Are you trying to make me look scummy on purpose?

No. How am I making you look scummy?

It could be seen as a "scum refusing to read his own teammate" sort of situation no?
Just try to read me like any other slot and don't worry about it. I don't mind.

[Something_Smart]

That doesn't strike me as a thing that happens more proportionally frequently than "scum refusing to read a townie."

Besides, if people think you're scum because of something I said, they wouldn't actually vote you for it until they saw me flip scum, which won't happen.

[Something_Smart]

I am trying to read you like any other slot. My reading technique is to synthesize what I know about someone's personality and behavior and match it with what I think the motivation for their actions likely is and how confident I should be in that prediction.

In your case I've determined that any prediction I could make, at least for now, ought to have a very low confidence.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Good points. I just wanted you to clarify, thanks for that. So you did mention you didn't want to force any reads right? Well what about the Phoenix wagon. Any thoughts on that?

[Something_Smart]

There haven't been enough votecounts for me to really get a good idea of how wagons have been moving. Why does the wagon exist?

[NorwegianboyEE]

There haven't been enough votecounts for me to really get a good idea of how wagons have been moving. Why does the wagon exist?

My view on it= Bandwagon on Ben accumulates due to him sounding kinda scummy in the start of the game before disappearing for a while. He then comes back and people switch their attention to Phoenix hydra due to them also sounding a bit suspicious.

So both of the wagons are in my view, not very warranted, my main reason for participating is to pressure whoever sounds the most suspicious at any given time. Just your average Day 1 groupthink...

[Hoptic]

Hectic and I are happy to see our hydra gimmick of playing 'prod chicken' is still going strong. I was in the lead for a while but the guilt got too much so I feel I have to post something now and we're looking more even.

It's a good thing I've got a lot of townreads or someone could accuse me of neglecting this game.

What exactly do you think is weak reasoning, and are you tr'ing fakePP?

Hoptic is on the wagon with no reasoning at all, or none that seems clear to me. Also, I was townreading him due to a misunderstanding earlier, so now I actually need to read his posts, ugh.

Norwegian gives a reason and parks his vote, then doesn't really follow up in any way.

Gamma is okay.

I'm not really townreading PlatinumPhoenix, because I don't really see anything from the slot. If anything, I'm feeling like Chennisden's slightly different from the only game I've played with him. I just find the wagon itself to be strange.

How do you not have a read on the slot.
You dislike the wagon and think it's scum motivated you say?

I have a stance on Asgard's vote, which is that I don't think he's putting enough effort behind it. And I didn't mention you because you voted way earlier, aren't quite in the same shift from Ben->fake-PP, and I haven't checked over your reasoning.

Also, I'm not townreading Hoptic anymore. I initially believed the blind thing, and thought that if he was scum he would understand how Zombie works. But I missed the part where he said it was a joke until just earlier. Now I actually need to read his posts rather than putting him in a pile in my mind and not worrying about him.

why would him being blind lead you to townread him?

Because of his inability to understand the Zombie role. His reason behind that was that he was blind, and I figured that if he was scum, his partners would have explained it to him seeing as they picked Zombie.

This sounds like an excuse to change your read more than anything.

-Hop

[Hoptic]

My townblock is me, Gamma, Norwegian, Unstuck.

Help, someone's trying to get into my townblock.

Well, I ain't gonna read 41 pages on my phone while at work, so a full catchup will have to wait.

But I read the first few pages and I townread ben, NaCl, you, and maybe Hoptic.

Though I don't think I can actually read you.

That's a controversial set of townreads, I'm interested in your full catchup.

@tris
Can you post your current reads? My impression is that you are like the most inconspicuous player here. Nothing sticks out of the ordinary. And i kinda wish it did.

Unstuck in Time
Vorkuta
PenguinPower
Hoptic
Gamma Emerald
you as well

are some townreads. There's some people I need to take a look at more.

Maybe Salt goes on that list.

I like this list. It's basically mineish.


Tommorrow I will try as hard as I can to get around to reading RC and NaCL

-Hop

[Vorkuta]

I think it's likely his partners would have explained it to him.

I think a third of the people have played dumb with the setup early on in the beginning- that's no reason to townbin them at all. My impulse reaction to half of them (after facepalming and wanting to tell them to RTFM) was to tell them to stop fake!slipping, but as evidenced with games like TFC9++, not understanding the setup is par for the course on this site IMHO

Because I'm not really the teamwork kind of guy.

*inhales*
This and the above 3 posts are horrible, but I don't think scum is usually this brazen.
Points for honesty I suppose but damn

Also what an arbitrary question to ask. Dayvig: Vorkuta

Really now.
I don't like it when you play around with toys like these

[Vorkuta]

There haven't been enough votecounts for me to really get a good idea of how wagons have been moving. Why does the wagon exist?

I've made a few as well just FYI
ctrl+f "vork's 100% official vote counts"

Right so updates and shit
S_S can be townbinned
tris is still making it very difficult for me to get a read on her, or for even me to get an impression on her, and me no likey
RCE and NaCl are grinding my gears
fake-PP has toned it down and has been 'productive' to the point of me wanting to give him town-points, however I sense that this behavior change is most likely due to the wagon on him.
norskee feels like he's activating and becoming more comfortable with the game and player-base, so that should help, I approve

The lack of a proper counter-wagon to fake-PP is still vexing.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't know. sorry.

I'll figure that out or change my mind when you post more.

lol nice. I'm the one who needs to back up my read? I think burden of proof is on you here.

[Something_Smart]

however I sense that this behavior change is most likely due to the wagon on him.

Why does that matter?

[Vorkuta]

There's being honest, being game-solvey, and playing good faith

Then there's being honest, being game-solvey, and playing in good faith.... while being at L-1 (which he basically is)

[Unstuck in Time]

I've been disengaged from this game but I still maintain Phoenix and ben are votable.

I am willing to L-1 vote Phoenix.

Something_Smart feels very towny to me.



TL

[Something_Smart]

There's being honest, being game-solvey, and playing good faith

Then there's being honest, being game-solvey, and playing in good faith.... while being at L-1 (which he basically is)

Okay, sure.

How is it less towny when it's done at L-1, if it still looks genuine?

[Vorkuta]

How is it less towny when it's done at L-1, if it still looks genuine?

What even is this question?

Contribution and gamesolves (and all the good stuff) under no pressure whatsoever vs. good stuff under L-1 pressure where the guy is willing to say anything and everything just to diffuse the wagon.
I can't and won't separate "what" a person is saying from "when" a person is saying it.

Like for example (not relevant to this game... I hope )- I believe that in a 'dead' game-state, scum has no incentive to post. Thus anyone doing the bare minimum will get town points for doing so. HOWEVER, if the same person, posted the same content, in the middle of a heated discussion, then he won't get as many town points from me.

[Something_Smart]

Contribution and gamesolves (and all the good stuff) under no pressure whatsoever vs. good stuff under L-1 pressure where the guy is willing to say anything and everything just to diffuse the wagon.

Willing doesn't mean able, though. Obviously plenty of people, town and scum alike, try unsuccessfully to get a wagon on them to go away.

Like if someone is able to make genuine-sounding posts as scum whenever they want, why wouldn't they do it all the time? It's not as though getting pressured magically makes scum players better.

Towny posting is posting that's unlikely to come from scum. If you have a specific situational reason why scum would post a certain way in a certain situation. But you're just waving your hand and saying "they did it under pressure, that makes it not towny."