Normal 222: Black Versus White Mafia (Endgame)

[Almost50]

Alert! Alert! The Monkey's in this game.

(Everybody should hold on tight to their.. ahem.. never mind this one.)

So, the mod tells me I'm a Vanilla Townie. I dunno if I should take his word for it. What do you think?

Oh, and just so you know, I'm probably going to be a lurksack here (aside from poking you all in the noses, eyes, ears, and... ahem... never mind that one too).

[Almost50]

Oh, I forgot to say I may or may not catch up soon. Depends on my mood in the next couple of hours.

[Almost50]

I’m informed. Scum has a ninja.

The last game I saw this declaration it was true, and it came straight form a scum player! (I'm feeling lazy, so I'd be obliged if someone looked it up and linked)

I can't wait for the setup spec part of this game

The game is multiball. One White Mafia vs Another Black Mafia (and the mod is against interracial criminal collaboration, hinting his is a Southern Rebublican!)

VOTE: Saudade

Might be best to get this over with. Also, the fact that he hasn't already claimed mason strikes me as odd.

Maybe it's because he is a Mason in this game?

tut tut

[Almost50]

Confirm

momo alt spotted.

Idk do we talk about the informed ninja claim or leave it as gospel?

No.

Spoiler: but instead..

Spoiler: Or..

This is what happens when I don’t naked vote.

<This comment is censored on the basis that minors have access to this forum>

this excites me

See you after you shower then.

Okay honestly I had no idea what I was doing there I was half-asleep

VOTE: Arcfield

This vote tells me ofrhz is the one posting half asleep at that point. What scum -newb or experienced- returns an answer like that? In what world is "I don't know why I TR'd X on page 4 and I'm confessing it on page 7" indicative of a scum mindset?

days go by

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

Lol, I’m getting cold feet here too

Old habits don't die, so they?

Someone say something steamy?

Sauna

No, you can also assume that if X is town X is scum's preferred push and thus suspect others for going over to an easy X push if X happens to be town.

Of I was Saudade I would have called you an Almost50 alt. (translation: I didn't get a word of the quote)

I’ve been prodded hello

Does this means goof has been lynched

And unvotes actually stop it??

Someone explain to me pls

I think we should get arc

Londoners! *Sigh*

I can’t put my finger

Use a lubricant.

seeking replacement for nomnomnom and drippinggoofball

gobbledygook replaces DrippingGoodball, effective immediately.

Spoiler: Warning: Pure speculation

This player is actually a DGB alt. Otherwise, why did they get her slot rather than nomnomnom's (mentioned first both here and in the replacements request), and how come they played no Newbie games? (I know it's not a requirement, but most newbies do. This one jumped right in).

Amendment:

ITT Rick continues to be a bad player

Huh

Dunno, I imagine it’s a player with a bad record though

These twp quotes also don't go against my theory above.

And the nonsensical unexplained reads/votes also say they're desperately trying to get out of the hole.

Hi I am back for VLA (or rather "pretty much no access." I'll post tomorrow.

I can replace out if she wants her slot back. No harm no foul

Too slick a move, but I'm never wrong. They're both the same person.

[Almost50]

The game is multiball. One White Mafia vs Another Black Mafia

The last game I saw this declaration it was true, and it came straight form a scum player!

?

2nd quote: I was in a game where a Mafioso claimed to be Informed out of the gate. They either claimed scum had a Strongman or a Ninja ability (I don't remember which). Scum did have two of them in fact iirc (either 2 Strongman roles or 2 NinJa roles). And then the prince married the princess and they lived happily ever after.

[Almost50]

vote:Almost

Kill it. Kill it with fire

Why with fire? Why not softly with her song?

[Almost50]

@modperson

What's the deal with the goofball/gobbledygook slot?
Who do we address?

What is thy bidding my master?

I am confused why this is asked, because goobledygook replaced DrippinGoofball and DGB hasn't asked to replace back in. The answer seems obvious: Goobledygook is the account in the slot at this time.

Force them both into a hydra, but do NOT give either access to the hydra account. If they post on their mains they get modkilled.

[Almost50]

vote:Almost

Kill it. Kill it with fire

Why with fire? Why not softly with her song?

You’re not town. Who just claims VT

I do. I sometimes outright claim and sometimes even crumb it. Ask anyone who played with me before.

[Almost50]

hey monkey guy can you make a case for or against me please

Your dress code sucks!

[Almost50]

I call the thigh

Breasts are much fun too.

[Almost50]

A monkey could’ve passed that reaction test.

I resent the implication.

[Almost50]

No I claimed his thigh, does anyone counter claim it? Just sayin' I have dibs though

There are two of them, you know.

[Almost50]

everyone who didn't point out he has 2 thighs is scum

I just did. Does it count?

[Almost50]

The game is multiball. One White Mafia vs Another Black Mafia

The last game I saw this declaration it was true, and it came straight form a scum player!

?

2nd quote: I was in a game where a Mafioso claimed to be Informed out of the gate. They either claimed scum had a Strongman or a Ninja ability (I don't remember which). Scum did have two of them in fact iirc (either 2 Strongman roles or 2 NinJa roles). And then the prince married the princess and they lived happily ever after.

I got that. I'm just saying your "theory" about there being a White and a Black Mafia could also come from you being Mafia and already knowing this.

Yes, it could. Yet it could equally be from the fact the game is literally called BLACK VERSUS WHITE MAFIA?

[Almost50]

I mean didn’t you think I was Nancy?

You are, are you not?

[Almost50]

All aboard bitches here comes the...

?? Rain Again? Hotstepper?? Boom???

[Almost50]

Flavor isn’t supposed to be related to the setup in normals, a50. Did you forget you were in New York?

This isn't flavor. It's the name of the game. If it's called a NORMAL then the roles are NORMAL.

But that's besides the point really. The fact is I wanted to engage him more about this and you broke the chain.

[Almost50]

VOTE: roster

Let's lynch the chicken, not the turkey.

Why you wanna lynch Nancy??

[Almost50]

[removed, since Im here already.]

WHO is this nomnomnom that appears on the VC? WHERE is MY name?

yea, yea, got it

[Almost50]

Aw man, now the number of attractive people in this game is down to zero

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

VOTE: arc

Baaaa

[Almost50]

I would like to express my support for friendship between eth0s and Vorkuta. God speed!

[Almost50]

Hello, I am Creature's alt

[Almost50]

I'm in this game

[Almost50]

Who we lynching?

[Almost50]

What's the VC like?

[Almost50]

... Is there anything I'm supposed to comment on?? No? kthxbye

[Almost50]

I’m not a turkey

How about a Cyprus?

[Almost50]

By the way.. yadda yadda yadda yadda
On the other hand.. bla bla bla bla
Rest assured that.. ramble ramble ramble
If.. gab gab gab
Not that.. babble babble babble
Got it?

[Almost50]

And that's why you'll never be able to read me

[Almost50]

See the thing is clemency is just going to be useless as either alignment.

Amen to that. I dunno what's come over him though. When he first started playing he used to actually contribute more.

[Almost50]

Monkey man what do you think of Vorkuta?

He's a good fellow.

[Almost50]

I'm open to other suggestions about how we may be able to progress this game and make informed decisions

Give me a report on the fires in Siberia.

[Almost50]

i'll be honest i wasnt expecting this game to be so uninspired i just wanted to come annoy a50 and creature but man, the atmosphere here

You can't annoy me in a game I'm not actually playing.

[Almost50]

@mod- I would like to move my vote to Clemency #2 as well /s

Why not #3? According clemepedia; Clemency III was the last player of the Clemencian dynasty before it's fall in the Black vs White era.

[Almost50]

Not lynching my hubby, Clemency.

Oops. Alt slip.

[Almost50]

UNVOTE:

Let me know when my vote is needed somewhere.

[Almost50]

Ok, so Johhny started a wagon om VD. That's was fine and I have no qualms with that. Suddenly 3 naked votes were added there. How am I supposed to make a read on ay of you regardless of VD's flip? If he's scum, how do I decide which one of you was busing? If he flips town, how do I distinguish between opportunistic scum and town who just got bored and wanted to get a lynch??

I'm not voting until each of Mumble/roster/chemist state their own case on VD in their own words

[Almost50]

OK, so chemist does have a case of his own. Next please?

[Almost50]

a50, what do you think of me? Am I town or scum?

Damned if I know. I have no idea what's going on in this game, and I am being too lazy to even try to give it a serious try.

[Almost50]

I can believe Rick's claim for now

Did he claim anything other than being informed scum have a Ninja?

[Almost50]

A 17 players NORMAL game, with multiple PRs, and we have no info???

[Almost50]

Chemist has something on roster

He was voting VD though the last time I checked.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Croag

This is a fine vote, although his activity may be NAI << I said MAY. I'm not sure

[Almost50]

Where shall I be placing my vote?

SORRY!! I was just listening to THAT and it made me laugh out loud to read the post and sing the chorus simultaneously, so I though to share.

Mod can appreciate the cheese. And the 80s.

[Almost50]

Why ethos over literally anyone else? Why him over me??

[Almost50]

eth0s has shown meh logic, and my other alternatives have been PoE eliminated

Am I misunderstanding this, or are you saying the ONLY lynch you have is ethos??

[Almost50]

Vorky's not living to see the light if you flip green

[Almost50]

OK, not I want to be lynched, but I want you to at least explain what Town points I have on your list, please. @Vorky

[Almost50]

You're useless in this game.

offense very much intended, please forgive if that comes off wrong

As opposed to the other games I've had with you where you rolled scum and you had a strong presence, actively interacting/manipulating/lying and all that good stuff.
I keep forgetting about your existence in this game and I'm sure that's a town-indicator for you.

Oh, SHIT! I've got to start to work on my meta then.

Spoiler: Honest talk

I am shocked you TR me for THAT, as I'm used to being SR'd for doing nothing, and THAT was what I was counting on, and is usually something I do count on when I want to be mildly SR'd to get people's attention.

[Almost50]

?? Why cote yourself when you were L-4??? That's REALLY weird when not many have been expressing will or intention.

[Almost50]

*Vote

[Almost50]

That is something we can hardly agree on in this game status. There are 15 players alive, so a No Lynch is still better than a mislynch IMHO, but that's just me and I'm aware it's against this site meta (and MU's)

[Almost50]

intent to hammer

Hammer what? ethos is @L-3

[Almost50]

@johhny: Do you have any inspiring thoughts regarding who we should lynch? Asking for a friend

[Almost50]

do you think ethos is a bad lynch considering we have like v little time left?

I don't think scum!ethos self-votes and calls for his own lynch @L-4 with so little time left in the day. He could have played for time and hoped for a No Lynch.

Well, that is mainly my point now. A lynch for the sake of it is stupid. I don't even know what we will learn from the flop (assuming it's a town flip).

[Almost50]

In THIS game status I would rather be a chicken (yikes! GET OFF ME, rooster!) and go for the No Lynch. Let the PRs do their jobs.

[Almost50]

The past 4 pages were extremely dumb.

VaultDweller is scum, and all of this waffling is just bad.

You know, repeating it over and over again won't magically make it stick.

Sell me the case on VD

. Otherwise I'm not voting a claimed PR just to get a lynch.

[Almost50]

I haven't heard anyone counter my earlier case

Yes, you did provide a case that may or may not meet my liking, but a case none-the-less. Mumble though is just mumbling without providing a case of his on, which is why I am asking him to provide one.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Vorkuta

Vorky defended both Baker and roster with some weird reasoning. The flipped JOAT apparently had no means to clear roster in the first place. The closest thing is he targeted him for a neighbor. As for Baker I don't see him towning up later ever. He maybe less trolly but he is also mush less active, and I want to know where he comes from. Also 984 is weird. You either believe the claim OR you are waiting for a CC. You can't have them both.

[Almost50]

Lil Uzi Vert, Croag, Lapsa, Mumble, rosterfoster, Vorkuta, Darth Baker,

Probably have all the scum in them.

There's something I wanna say
That I probably shouldn't say
But I'm gonna say it anyway

I wouldn't put Lapsa in this group, because the slot has been replaced due to a mod error. (If anyone wants to argue against that, I am totally uninterested. Feel free to do whatever you want).

[Almost50]

That’s a weak reasoning. Lapsa slot could easily just have been scum who received a PR result that was meant to go for a townie.

I get the reasoning, but I think it’s a slippery slope to confirm Lapsa slot based on that.

Or they received a result they shouldn't have because the target is Ninja?? That's more like it in my mind, knowing the mod (and his errors). << NO OFFENSE.

Hint: I was a BG once and I protected Town!RC, and Kop was the mod. Somehow the kill on RC did go through because Kop forgot I was BGing him.

[Almost50]

I think Mr. Dalton here is scum. I think that He's running a scum gambit with Vault. I do believe Vault took the shot as claimed, but maybe not as the role he claimed.

Are you saying scum made both kills?

[Almost50]

Show me a Normal where one scum faction had two kills on the same night then.

[Almost50]

What do you mean by "not scum together"? Are you suggesting they could be TvS Or scums on different teams??

If TvS, what's the scum motive for scum!Rick to prevent the lynch of a Town PR? If scums on different teams: 1- Where's the 2nd kill on N1? and 2- Why out yourself to the other scum team? 3- Why save a member of the other team when there hasn't been any red flips yet?

Even if you suggest Rick is scum and VD is SK, it still doesn't make sense. Plus VD claimed ONE SHOT. Nothing here makes sense for them to be scum, and especially not Rick, and if Rick is town then VD did make that shot and Rick is telling the truth.

I guess I will go back to silent mode now and see how things work out, but I wanted to make sure I understand the basis of your case here.

[Almost50]

Why would town have two trackers?

Any number of reasons, including "scum have multiple Ninja", so maybe a compensation? Or to create this very WIFOMY situation where you/Rick would push each other based on the fact you are both Trackers?

But let me ask you another question: Why would Rick choose to fake claim Tracker of all available Normal roles? Unless you are specifically saying Rick is a scum Tracker, in which case I would still have to ask WHY he would intervene to stop the lynch of Town!VD here?

[Almost50]

Like, I am trying to wrap my head around everything that's been said and done here..

So, RD claimed Tacker but he really isn't. Fine. VD claimed the shot on eth0s. OK. RD says he tracked VD to eth0s (implying he does believe the claim of "1-shot Even Night Vig/1-shot JK"). VD says he is also Ascetic. RD reveals he was gambiting and had crumbed it earlier. Meanwhile, Chickadee had CC'd RD as Tracker.

Why would "Ascetic" scum!VD out town!RD when they could have kept him alive and benefited from it, knowing RD is BSing? Why would scum!VD try to lynch his o in scum!RD? Ok, why would scum!RD try to save town!VD from the axe? I can only see this as TvT (and town -yet again- managed to chase its own tail and bite it off). Chicka is obviously now unCC'd Tracker too.

Vorky says he KNOWS VD is lying about his role. If he does know that it means VD isn't Ascetic in the first place, which means VD is trying to mislynch town!RD here and is counting on the fact he can't be "tracked", but had totally missed that he still can be "targeted".

I deduce that flipping VD today is the best move. If he does flip Ascetic then Vorky is scum (who missed the fact VD claimed 1-shot abilities). If he flips scum, Vorky & RD are Town.

VOTE: VD

Sorry, mate. This is the station where you get off.

[Almost50]

Does anyone have a comment on my thought process? I didn't just post it to brag about it, y'know. It was meant to create a discussion for better analysis of the situation.

[Almost50]

I KNOW that VD is lying about his role.

You are welcome to lynch me tomorrow if it flips town (it won’t).

Chickadee is probably a partner for keeping the vote on RD. Not so sure about others.

I have a feeling Mumble/RD is TvT.

My bad. Replace Vorky with roster in the main post.

[Almost50]

Vorky says he KNOWS VD

Don't drag my name into this- I've never claimed anything of the sort and found myself believing VD up until very recently

So what's your stance now?

[Almost50]

Everytime I see this game I wish I was dead here instead. Are we here to play or to bore each other to death?

[Almost50]

@Chicka: You do this and I'll be your second vote.

[Almost50]

@Chicka: You do this and I'll be your second vote.

Are you saying you'll vote with me or against me?

With you. Consider yourself a double voter. I'd rather an active game regardless so I'm giving you my support as an incentive.

[Almost50]

VD can't be SK. SK does not claim 1-shot. He is either town or group scum.

[Almost50]

It don't matter to me. I've already claimed in my first post

[Almost50]

You should.

[Almost50]

Guys, lynch all liars. Seriously.

That would be a bad idea. It would get quite a few players to be mislynched all the time (myself, FL, Jay, Clem.. to name a few). We all are notorious TOWN liars.

[Almost50]

VOTE: The Fonz

I think Creature lurking was NAI (he did say somewhere he was taking a leave). However, Fonz push on RD doesn't feel genuine. I think he is more likely to actually try and make a case as town (one short-lives experience with him). I would have expected him to engage RD more if he did SR him.

[Almost50]

@Fonz: That's literally how Rick Dalton play as either alignment.

UNVOTE:

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though, but trust me when I say it a thing on MS to never believe a claim from Flavor Leaf (Risk Dalton's main) or Bambi Jay/Elsa Jay (another player who uses 2 famous alts) and never "trust" A50's claims on D1.

[Almost50]

You back tracked because Fonz says that’s literally his meta. Why is that AI at all then?

It is his meta. I only played with him for one game day before (the game got scratched), and when while I was pushing a scumster based on a slip he indeed wasn't convinced it's a slip and didn't vote the scumster until he contradicted himself and was thus caught lying.

Fonz reminded me this was his way of scum hunting, and that he doesn't engage scum after he had deduced they're scum, but rather promotes for their lynch among the other players.

I said earlier that Creature's absence was NAI because I know he planned on taking a leave, so my vote on Fonz was solely founded on him not engaging you, and as he got me corrected on what I had thought would be his town play I no longer have a valid reason to vote the slot. He is now back to NAI and I should evaluate his play from this moment on.

[Almost50]

@Fonz: That's literally how Rick Dalton play as either alignment.

UNVOTE:

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though, but trust me when I say it a thing on MS to never believe a claim from Flavor Leaf (Risk Dalton's main) or Bambi Jay/Elsa Jay (another player who uses 2 famous alts) and never "trust" A50's claims on D1.

Right. In which case, at what point do you start treating FL/RD's claims as genuine? If you just assume he is always lying about his role, doesn't that just hand him an unacceptable amount of leeway when he's scum? More specifically. RD claimed to have confirmed VD's claim. Isn't that absolutely terrible play if Rick is town and does't know VD's alignment? And doesn't VD's decision to counterclaim RD suggest that he very much was treating Rick's claim as serious?

I see your point, but I request that you see mine. I have literally seen FL fake claim Masons with a SCUM player before. I did get a bit angry post game (but we really should have lynched Creature there when FL flipped and was not a Mason), but the point is this is NOT how you catch scum!FL/RD. You need to either mechanically catch him, tone read him, or straight out get a Cop guilty on him.

I repeat.. I did see TOWN!Flavor Leaf fake Masons with Scum!Creature. I also saw him claiming all sorts of things when he was totally something else. There are many reasons he does it, ranging from reaction testing to looking scummy enough so as not to be NK'd to even

baiting the NK

.

Like, if you look closely you'd see Chicka said she didn't take my VT claim seriously. Why? Because she knows I'd do that as a PR too. I WIFOM my role so scum can't tell whether it's best to shoot me or leave me be.

I am not saying you shouldn't play in the way you feel best though. You do you, but I will never vote RD for the case presented right now because -to me- it literally isn't scum indicative of him at all.

[Almost50]

Cool. Who's scum then?

I have no idea, because I literally wasn't playing the game.
I was paying more attention to most every other game I was/am in.

My suspexts though are: PM (Clem/Arc slot). I was on Arc.. then Clem took over and I was like "let him be for a bit".. and yet he also replaced out.. so I dunno, but have no reason to say "this is likely town".

roster: For some off reason I SR roster in almost every game we play. I wouldn't say he's probably town here because of it, but he's NAI at best.

Croag: That charming lady is denying us the pleasure of her acquaintance. (I couldn't have phrased it in a more charming way, eh?)

Then there's your slot, and -maybe- Mumbles.

But do I have a case on either of you? Not at all. I am going with the flow for now until the game has enough reveals for me to try and mechanically solve it. I have no powers myself so I have to rely on others making the right moves.

[Almost50]

Fonz, my dear friend... I honestly have NOT realized roster had claimed that. I have not been reading or paying attention. I am just filling my slot for the time being, If roster said he was a Vanilla Cop that's news for me. I have something as "possible Role Cop" next to ANOTHER slot in my remarks though. I dunno why we would have a Role Cop AND a Vanilla Cop though.

[Almost50]

Damn! I thought HE was the Role Cop. OK? (Did you literally have to ask about VORKUTA if all?)

[Almost50]

@chickadee: I was relying on your detailed catch up. Did I miss it?

[Almost50]

I've been laid up in bed dying from a sinus infection for a couple days, and thus exhausted by literally everything. I've been sleeping a lot instead of playing mafia.

As someone who has extremely allergic sinuses myself, I feel your pain. Get well soon.

[Almost50]

We need to push something through. For anyone not on the Fonz wagon, can you express to me what your hesitation is, and propose your preferred lynch today?

Are you on Fonz?? Because I said I'd be following you (and was under the impression you didn't do that catch up properly, so was still waiting for you to tell me what to do).

I also do agree to the massclaim thing now rather than later. I will go last.

[Almost50]

I'm fine with massclaim since it's basically already started. We gonna popcorn?

Feel free to claim and popcorn it to someone.

As of now the only serious claim I will consider is Chickadee's. Anyone else needs to claim even if they had done it already. Just for the record.

[Almost50]

Can we please claim in the order (popcorn) we're supposed to?

[Almost50]

LUV/Croag next pls

[Almost50]

i didnt get a prod message bu im here anyway

4 hours later and I don't see a claim

[Almost50]

VOTE: Croag

We can always force a claim out of a lurker.. or -better yet- lynch them on the spot.

[Almost50]

@Fonz: Go ahead an claim if you will. We are lynching Croag anyway at this rate.

[Almost50]

@Fonz: You may claim your role if you ant to. Just don't out actions/results (if any). Chicka\s results were prematurely claimed IMHO, but what's done is done.

@Vorky: You're here, apparently. So.. claim?

[Almost50]

@Roster: Which slot did you receive the wrong investigation result on again??

[Almost50]

@Roster: Which slot did you receive the wrong investigation result on again??

You got popcorn’d go.

Idk why we’re wasting time with filler talk. Let’s get this done with

It's not filler talk to me. I have a theory and I want to be sure of the target. I could ISO him, but there's a lot of noise in everyone's posts (including me) and I have a mild headache that I don't want to get worse.

[Almost50]

Can we all stay focused and lynch Croag? Please & thank you

[Almost50]

Also, correct me if any of this is wrong:

1. johnny sno/Saudade Neighbor with Mumble (went nowhere N1) <<<<<<<<< Didn't claim yet
2. PMysterious/Clemency/Arcfield ---------------------------- claimed VT (went nowhere N2)
3. TheFonz/Creature <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Didn't claim yet
4. Mumble ------------------------------Town JoaT (1s Commuter/1s BG/1s Neighborizer)
5. Vorkuta----------------------------------------VT
6. VaultDweller---------------------------------1x JK/1x Vig Asceic
7. Darth Baker ---------------------------------VT
8. rosterfoster------------------------------ Vanilla Cop
9. Croag ----------------------------------------VT
10.chickadee Lapsa---------------------------------- Tracker
11.Rick Dalton-I’m informed. Scum has a ninja. ----------------------Visitor
13.Lil Uzi Vert ---------------------------------------VT

[Almost50]

Yeah, I saw

I'm a macho tracker enabler.

*Sigh*

The good news is Chicka's confirmed. The bad news is she's effectively a VT.

And my VT claim stands, but I'm completely lost. Visitor is the Miller for the Tracker, but we also have an Ascetic and 2 Commuters. That doesn't look likely to me. It thus follows there's one scum in VD/RD.

Next, we have a whole lot of VT claims and a Vanilla Cop, so it looks like the rest of the Mafia are Goons.

I think Mumble should be on Chicka tonight with his BG shot (at least I hope he is reading the thread).

I cannot decide whether RD made that move as scum trying to confirm himself or as town who tried to gambit and scum RD saw the opportunity to mislynch him.

I am leaning the former though, because if I was scum I'd know RD was BS'ing so I would let him cause more havoc to town. I also have doubts about Town!RD doing this when he claims to have been informed scum are Ninja (or rather have a Ninja modifier?).

I am contemplating with the idea of voting RD here. Can anyone talk me out of it?

[Almost50]

And if you want to lynch outside of the RD/VD pool I'd go for Croag >> Darth for now, but I want to make sure everyone sees that VD/RD having one scum between them is more likely than not.. unless RD town!bluffed and VD town!reacted and then we can all blame Boons for the loss here!

[Almost50]

@S_S: Had I been in your shoes I'd have claimed something useless but likely town. I dunno.. Nurse would have been a good one. There is no Doctor, so you are just a named townie, which explains why the VC gets a Not Vanilla on you, but you imply there is a Doctor among the VT claims, so it confuses the Mafia. I get that it could still make you a target for the NK, but not as high as a Tracker Enabler for sure. I also considered PGO but that almost always gets lynched before LyLo.

P-edit: And he did it to draw the CC??? Why not that?

[Almost50]

Like, if the whole team is Goons it is reasonable to assume Tracker is the strongest role we have

[Almost50]

And who better than FL to fake claim and can get away with it?

[Almost50]

Like, if they do have a ninja, what are they so scared of a tracker for?

Maybe it's one specific slot rather than a factional modifier. Everyone else could still be tracked. I have no idea what they're informed of. It could be like "There's no full Cop" or "There's No Doctor". The latter makes even more sense for Scum to try and draw out the Tracker to shoot them.

[Almost50]

Guys, I’m just town

We are deliberating on it, so please stay outside until we reach a verdict.

[Almost50]

I will likely follow S_S on this one tbh. If he says you're the lynch I will vote you., If he says not then I will vote elsewhere. being "too close to you" could be preventing me from seeing the whole picture. I kinda can see this coming from you as either alignment.

One thing I'll say is that Lapsa's *yawn* confirms he noticed and didn't CC. Now how can I be sure if he didn't because he TR'd you or because he thought it was one of them fake claims you do all the time?? If anything, it does prove you can do this as scum and get away with it just as likely as you can do it as town and count on the other townie knowing you well enough.

But let me ask you this: How did you know it was Lapsa specifically?? because your narrative revolves arounf you already having identified Lapsa as the Tracker and playing around him knowing you well. It could have easily been just about anyone else, and then you would/should not have expected it to go smoothly, so HOW did you know Lapsa was the Tracker?

Answer me this and you're off the hook for good.

[Almost50]

Which makes this a problem for me: If you didn't know Lapsa was the Tracker then you must've expected a CC from the real Tracker if there's one. And why would there be one? Because the Scum have a NINJA, which you yourself claim to have been informed of. Yes, it could have also been a Watcher, but you and I both know Tracker is much more common that Watcher. At best it was 50-50m so why'd you jump in to confirm VD's claim of having shot "whoever he shot" at the risk of drawing a Tracker's claim?

[Almost50]

maybe one of A50/Vorkuta/

Something

What?? So, scum claimed MACHO Tracker Enabler???

[Almost50]

In the meantime, A50, I was meaning to ask. Now we've roleclaimed, why did you think Vorkuta was a rolecop? And why did you ask to go last in massclaim?

1- I probably confused roster with Vorky. Either that or Vorky said something (about the time RD vs VD fiasco) that sounded like he knew one of them's role. Not quite sure now and too lazy to recheck (which is why I keep notes, so as to not have to re-search for the info)

2- Because I wanted scum to worry about me having a different role than the one I claimed, so it'd be harder for them to fake claim. I think it paid off and most of them just claimed VT.

[Almost50]

How could you have confused Vorky with Roster, when Roster had *explicitly* claimed his role by the time of that conversation?

I always do. Ask them both. I even think I once voted one of them thinking I was voting the other.

Actually wait a second.. did one of then actually tell me not to drag his name "into this" earlier this game?? I'll do a quick search here

Yup. Check 1116 & 1117

[Almost50]

Rosterfoster COP ME TONIGHT
Mumble bodyguard him. Simple

Nope, and NOPE!

BG on TRACKER, and that's for starters. Copping you isn't worth it, because you are not a VT. Simple. You say you're not Vanilla and he gets Not Vanilla. So?

[Almost50]

What’s the point of going on Tracker with Ninjas...?

Like I’m for it, but we’re not checking me with it anyways.

How do you know that? We're not leashing the Tracker, so Chicka can do whatever she wants.

[Almost50]

and I was playing off of Fonz’s post where he was calling me a potential goon, so you clearly didn’t read.

You know I don't read wall posts. I read 2-3 lines and skim the rest at best. I only realized he proposed you might be a Goon when I double checked for the word "Goon" after you mentioned it.

[Almost50]

Oooh! The cat has learned to scratch. Tough guy doesn't fit your image though, Fonzie.

[Almost50]

That's what I said. You are NOT VT. You're the one who looped back to being accused of being a Goon. I just cut the BS and returned to the original claim.

Also, can you please switch to Boonskiies for a couple of minute?

[Almost50]

I wanna lynch Darth Baker. I am a Jedi (but you already knew that, didn't you?)

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

@Fonz: Please vote Craog instead for today.

[Almost50]

I also need a VC myself. I guess I can do one from since S_S actually was announced in the game??

[Almost50]

VC 3.07

-

Rick Dalton

-: rosterfoster, The Fonz, Vaultdweller, PMysterious

the fonz

-: vorkuta, Darth Baker

croag

-: almost50, Chickadee

Vaultdweller

-: Lil Uzi Vert

Vortuka

-: croag

PMysterious

-: Rick Dalton

Not voting

-: Something_Smart, mumble
-

This was the last official VC

Then S_S voted Croag and that was it.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Mumble

[Almost50]

I'm not going to take a bullet for someone I don't know is town. I know my own alignment.

This is

painful

. You "not taking a bullet" for them means they do get the bullet themselves. WHO gets shot at on this game? That's right! TOWN DO. Moreover, a BODYGUARD is SUPPOSED to die for someone else. That's what a BG does. You are NOT meant to survive to endgame anyway. I call BS. Vote stays.

[Almost50]

There is a vigilante in this game, dillweed. Also, I'm not just a bodyguard, dipstick.

Why would a Vig target a claimed unCC'd Tracker, MF? And I KNOW what you claimed, SoB.

[Almost50]

Fair enough. I am now PL'ing Mumble. I am NOT moving my vote off that slot regardless of what happens today. If Scum want to openly claim scum today, feel free to do it, and I still won't move my vote off Mumble (and that's assuming he is Town and truly claiming).

[Almost50]

Stupidity and vulgarity.

P-edit: What rules?

[Almost50]

You have actively stated that even if scum open claimed to be scum, you would still vote me (assuming that I am town) and not them. That is not playing to win the game. That is a rule violation.

Scum slip much? HOW do you KNOW I'm Town myself?

[Almost50]

But you said you already reported it, which means you've either lied before, or are lying now. LAL = Lynch All Liars. Vote stands.

As for stupidity, I will tell you MY RODENT (if I had one) knows better than to actually CLAIM they used their commuter shot. That and the fact no sane person ever commutes when there are 2 claimed TPRs. What scum would shoot you over a Vanilla Cop AND a Tracker?

I thus deduce you ARE the Ninja Scum yourself, and the claim to have commuted is to cover up just in case Vorky had target you and got No Result. If course Vorky would NOT target you because you claimed NOT VT, but hey.. you don't even know how to think.

I am also sus of S_S, but I'll hold my piece about that one till after we get rid of you.

[Almost50]

@Mumble: Was your mom too busy screwing a lamp she forgot to teach you manners? You sound butt-hurt your mouth should be considered for a pig barnyard.

Now if you don't stop swearing I will make sure to have your tongue shoved up your own ass so you can taste the shit you're made of.

[Almost50]

How would that work? A Vanilla Cop only checks for if role is a Vanilla or not. A Ninja only is unable to be seen by the Tracker, Watcher, or anything which investigates actions. So why would the Vanilla Cop be disrupted by the Ninja's actions? The only role that the Ninja would disrupt (that was claimed) is the Tracker, and keep in mind, the Tracker got killed. The Ninja killing the Tracker over the Vanilla Cop is a questionable idea. If you meant to say Chickadee, it wouldn't matter.

This is why I think there are no ninjas, and it was a bluff by Rick. Mumble is still Mafia, no question about that, but Rick is also Mafia based on the "informed" nature of the role not being true.

Yeah, that was a brainfart. I was so focused on the commuter thing I forgot Ninja applies to action not a direct visit to the person.

[Almost50]

On contrary, I think it was fair.. and even towards the bare minimum of what he deserved.

There is a vigilante in this game, dillweed. Also, I'm not just a bodyguard, dipstick.

Fuck off.

derphead.

Fuck you.

You can kindly shut the fuck up now

you are an asswipe

These quotes were all BEFORE that post you quotes. They are THE REASON why I said what I said. I do not regret a single word I typed there and will happily do the exact same thing if time rolled us back to that point. Thank you very much.

P.S. One of those "FU's" was directed at you. If you have no qualms with it, disregard iit, All the others were directed at me though, and O do have a problem with disrespectful foul language.

[Almost50]

Note that when the actual tracker came out, the Mafia immediately killed her, but not when you were the un cc'd Tracker, for 2 whole nights. It would only make sense for that to be the case if you were Mafia.

That's a WONDERFUL catch. Sometimes I feel dumb for missing the obvious!

[Almost50]

So. S_S maybe fake.. yet scum may have a Tracker of their own so he may be telling the truth.
RD maybe fake.. but nobody took him seriously on his Tracker claim so that's why he wasn't shot.
Mumble made a ridiculously bad choice of action, but S_S also told him to, and he's bad anyway.

My conclusion would be LYNCH S_S. If S_S told Mumble to commute that's conclusive evidence S_S is scum. Why the freak would anyone think the commute shot needed to be used up in this situation? I could see "poor thinking" leading to a no protect on the Tracker (but I agree it would have been much more sensible to protect the VC instead).

But what I'm suggesting here is THEY'RE BOTH SCUM. S_S & Mumble are scum together and the FAKE claim of having neighborized Saudade (now S_S) was made to cover up for the "interventions" to be had when Mumble says/does something stupid and his p needs to explain it on his behalf claiming "I/he said so and so in the neighborhood".

Gonna keep my vote on PP for now, but I'm willing to switch to S_S if it gains momentum.

[Almost50]

I never told Mumble to commute...?

Full disclosure, I advised him not to protect her, but I don't know if he listened to me.

I won't say what I advised him to do, in case he doesn't want to publicly reveal whether he still has the shot.

So, he had already used up his neighborizer shot, and you advised him NOT to use his BG. So what did you advise him to do that you won't tell us in case he doesn't.. bla bla bla?

OIC. You advised him to BG the VC. Right? But..

Knowing Mumble's personality I wouldn't exactly be surprised if he claimed that even though his team didn't want him to.

Do you see how I come to my theoretical conclusion now?

Looking back at 1607 you explicitly said you did advise him not to BG Chicka, but you did advise him of "something". Now you say you just advised him of not using his BG. Which is it?

[Almost50]

@A50. Why would you say "If SS said to commute..." before asking, if your primary theory is they're scum together (and would therefore be able to agree on whichever is the most convenient answer)?

Read above. To me S_S already admitted he did say that.

[Almost50]

Can we lynch PM?

He's town to me though. I don't see what makes him scum to you.

[Almost50]

Can we please lynch in my solve

We're both voting Mumble (now PP) so that IS lynching in your solve.

I could switch to S_S who is "kinda" in your solve and is also in Titus' solve.

[Almost50]

Fonz is lock scum too. He hid out hard at the end of yesterday after the Dalton vs Fonz backed away to make sure Croag got hit and not him.

This is a fucking lie.

Vote: Rick Dalton

You know what intrigues me? You, PM & RD all pointing fingers at each other. Like, you say PM has a good chance of being scum, but you vote RD who is also calling for PM's lynch. RD says both you and PM are confirmed scum to him despite the fact you're both at each other's throat (you & PM), and so on. It makes it hard for me to tell if one of you is scum, two are scum and distancing, or all three of you are scum and playing us. This is why I am opting to read each player individually and make my own deductions regardless of who's voting whom or who's FoSing whom.

Right now I don't want to lynch any of the three of you. Something's amiss and I can't figure it out.

[Almost50]

A50 were you hatcheting me on PM?

Yes I was. I hope I didn't trim you too much though?

[Almost50]

I guess I should disagree then, because a game of Mafia can't go smoothly. Amirite?

[Almost50]

I have a theory that this game has scum in it and that they're messing with us. I'll explain later.

[Almost50]

Of course I do, silly. You think I sleep with the lights on?

[Almost50]

This is a post, albeit a meaningless one. This means that I'm typing some characters and hoping they form meaningful words, which in turn form meaningful sentences and phrases, but overall you still won't get anything useful from it. Thank you for your attention.

[Almost50]

I'll get back to this when people have spoken.

[Almost50]

Are we in Lylo, and if we're not, can I votepark on VD?

Let’s do Darth Baker.

Let’s do PM

Let's do the conga

[Almost50]

Almost50: I asked this before, but to recap, was there any particular reason to claim last?

2- Because I wanted scum to worry about me having a different role than the one I claimed, so it'd be harder for them to fake claim. I think it paid off and most of them just claimed VT.

[Almost50]

I'd prefer A50 out of those three.

Wanting to lynch me in LyLo/MyLo has alwa6s proven to be a scumtell of late.

VOTE: S_S

[Almost50]

And probably Darth. If Darth was Town, he would have been mislynched a long time ago for all of his fluff posting. But my theory is that his scumbuddies are keeping suspicion off of him.

You're spot on with Darth, I can't see him being Town here. So for me it's Darth, S_S + "maybe" Vorky

[Almost50]

Spoiler: Neighborhood synopsis

Mumble: You were my biggest townread, I think Croag could be scum.
Mumble (2 days later): Please say something here.
-johhny sno replaces Saudade-
Johhny: why did you townread my slot?
Mumble: Saudade was posting in a way that he usually does as town, and most of the other players were pretty bad.
Johhny: I suppose, normally the way Saudade posts gets him suspected so I was surprised that you townread him.
Mumble: How are you feeling about the game?
Johhny: I don't trust VD, the claim could have been a scum panic claim, but he was wagoned fast so I may not vote him right away. Scum seem to be happy with how the game's going, since not much is going on.
Johhny: Who do you want to add to the hood next?
Mumble: I'm only one-shot.
Mumble (4 days later): What happened? What do you think of Rick's lie?
Johhny: I've been busy. Rick lying isn't really indicative of much.

Mumble: Does Rick lie a lot when he's town?
-S_S replaces johhny sno-
S_S: Yeah, he does.

Mumble: Let me know what you're thinking once you've read up.
S_S: My thoughts on reading up usually suck, so don't expect much.
S_S: You thought Rick could be town, why is that? I think he could be too, but you never know with him.
S_S: I'm thinking PMysterious, The Fonz, Vaultdweller, Chickadee, and Rick are town. I'd like to lynch outside of them.
Mumble: I thought Rick might be town because you told me he lies as town frequently.
Mumble:

My gut says LUV is scum. Maybe Vork as well.

Mumble: Should I guard anyone tonight?
Mumble: Looking at how the wagon went, Rick could be scum too.
S_S: Because scum were trying to save Rick?
S_S: I wouldn't guard anyone tonight.

S_S: LUV has left absolutely no impression on me thus far.

S_S: Scum-Rick usually has a good claim but weird arguments, this is the opposite though. I think he's more likely town.
Mumble: (In response to "Because scum were trying to save Rick?") Yeah, Croag's wagon went so quickly compared to Rick's.
S_S: That was probably just because deadline, but you are right that Rick is hard to wagon as scum.
S_S: Scum-Rick probably kills me tonight.
Mumble: I just meant that Croag's wagon popped up closer to deadline.
S_S: Did you guard somebody?
Mumble: No, I didn't.
-PenguinPower replaces Mumble-
S_S: You should read all of D4. Mumble did some weird stuff.
PP: Oh, he freaked out on A50, that's happened in the past. Why didn't you want him to guard Chickadee?
S_S: Cause of the likely ninja, I figured scum would hit the macho or the ascetic claim.
PP: Who's macho/ascetic?
S_S: I'm macho, VD is ascetic.

Okay, thank you for the synopsis. I have bolded the key points that peak my attention. Mumble not only had a candidate for scum in LUV, but also had a reason to think LUV was scum (basically, LUV hasn't done anything to prove he's Town to Mumble). We can do whatever we need to with this information, but thank you for bringing it to light S_S.

LUV not doing anything is within his town range. It's NAI

[Almost50]

am I wrong to assume this?

Yes, but I'm not going to trouble myself explaining. If you wish to get a hint yourself, here's a game that has just ended

I've been pushed by scum since D2 all the way and it condensed in LyLo. Wanting to lynch me in LYLO is a scumtell, and if it isn't confirmed then I will confirm it to you.. 17 palyers setups usually do have 4 scums (except for that one I'm linking, in which Scum!Bingle used that argument to try and mislead the town into believing it was also a 4-scum team, and challenged me to find ONE game of 17 players that had only 3 scums in it. My response was "this one" because I knew 17 players setups always have 4 scums)

[Almost50]

Note: This is a bloody NORMAL. The game I link wasn't.

[Almost50]

VOTE: A50

VOTE: A50

SS, are you town reading Baker?

No. But if he refuses to vote A50 and then A50 flips scum I'll feel even worse about him.

Well, what do you know. I guessed the correct scum team formation and 2 of them are already on me.

@PM: Btw, you missed that I only listed THREE scums still. So, I kinda wonder how you came to the conclusion that I have "mod-confirmed" info that there are 4 scums here with that right before your very eyes. Are you selectively reading? Are you applying for the "Suspect A50 in every single game just because" club?

[Almost50]

I mean , look at how that ended because of a Butthead (disguised as Beavis) and a Cop with a Penguin brain were in in it. A Cop who got a bloody clear on me himself, yet wanted to lynch me!

[Almost50]

Y’all shouldn’t have lynched me in that game. I was the most obv town that ever did town

You were leading us astray anyway with your tunnel on Vecna, the your equally distributed accusations/suspicion of everyone, not to mention driving the lynch on the other Town Vig and then shooting a Friendly Neighbor.

When you play bad you need to acknowledge that your play was bad, my man. Don't be a Kuribo.

(For those not in the know Kuribo called 15/17 slots possible scum, and had the nerve to brag about how good his reads were. In the Dead PT he kept swearing at everyone not seeing how scummy me and Vecna were, when we were both TOWN. DON'T BE A KURIBO)

[Almost50]

@PM: This will be the last time I address this issue in this game. 17 bloody players setups have always had 4 bloody scum slots. I don't care about your evidence or lack thereof, but if I did then I bloody thought it was MyLo/LyLo because I didn't go back to the OP to count the living players to begin with. It was a loose declaration that we should be lynching in the pool I named.

Also, the lack of town power is no indication of the NUMBER of scums. It's an indication of the WEAKNESS OF THEIR POWERS as well. Like, they could be 4 goons, or they could be 3 Goons and one weak PR (a Tracker Enabler, perhaps??). Balancing games by numbers is stupid. Games are balanced through ROLES and how they interact with each other.

Finally, ASSUMING 4 scums is safer. Assuming 3 when it is actually 4 loses us the game today. Assuming 4 when they are 3 gives us an extra mislynch. YOUR argument is starting to get to me too, so I am officially adding you to the lynch pool here. I am not going to start a wagon on you, but should one appear and gain momentum I am all in.

[Almost50]

This is what assuming 3 scums does to us

[Almost50]

Let me guess... this is the game where players are supposed to be practicing on the lurking technique. Amirite?

[Almost50]

Scum has to be in A50/Vorkuta/SS somewhere, I guess.

Remember, remember

the fifth of November

not to second guess me once you've locked a read on me.

Also, I very much agree

at least

one of SS/Vorky is scum. Probably both IMHO.

[Almost50]

And probably Darth. If Darth was Town, he would have been mislynched a long time ago for all of his fluff posting. But my theory is that his scumbuddies are keeping suspicion off of him.

You're spot on with Darth, I can't see him being Town here. So for me it's Darth, S_S + "maybe" Vorky

VOTE: A50

VOTE: A50

VOTE: A50

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Almost50]

@Town: VOTE S_S. He's the Scum that claimed a PR, so he must be a Scum PR (we had a Vanilla Cop, remember?). Trust me on this.

[Almost50]

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

but I'm town so bwahahahaha yourself

If so, why are you voting me over scum!S_S?

[Almost50]

Wanting to lynch me in LyLo/MyLo

has always proven to be

a scumtell

of late.

[Almost50]

I also feel betrayed by RD