[CHALLENGE] September Challenge
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[CHALLENGE] September Challenge
For last month's challenge, see the August Challenge thread.
We've had a lot of rules to encourage complexity and weird ways to think about Mafia in the past challenges. This month's challenge takes things in the opposite direction, though: how simple can a setup be whilst still being playable?
Feel free to submit your setups in this thread all through September (and to use it to discuss other people's submissions); when October comes, this thread will then be used to vote on which of the proposed setups is the best. If there's a clear winner, they'll be in charge of the requirements for October (unless they choose to delegate to someone else). Good luck, and have fun designing setups!scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town- northsidegal
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when did we go from [MONTH CHALLENGE] to [CHALLENGE] Month Challenge, anyways?
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July. Blame BNL.
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Mafia 1+2+Player 11 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 1:Mafia Bulletproof + Mafia Hider + Mafia Encryptor Mason+Mason+Mason Mason+Mason+Mason Vigilante + Vengeful + Universal Backup Vigilante + Vengeful + Universal Backup Vigilante + Vengeful + Universal Backup Rolecop + Hider + Motion Detector Rolecop + Hider + Motion Detector Vigilante + Vengeful + Universal Backup 2:Mafia Hider + Mafia Ninja + Mafia Encryptor Mason+Mason+Mason Mason+Mason+Mason Rolecop + Encryptor + Motion Detector Vengeful + Cop Rolecop + Ninja + Motion Detector Encryptor + Encryptor + Cop Rolecop + Hider + Motion Detector Vigilante + Universal Backup 3:Mafia Bulletproof + Mafia Ninja + Mafia Encryptor Mason+Mason+Mason Mason+Mason+Mason Rolecop + Encryptor + Motion Detector Vengeful + Cop Rolecop + Ninja + Motion Detector Watcher + Watcher + Watcher Vigilante + Universal Backup Vigilante + Universal Backup 4:Mafia Encryptor + Mafia Bulletproof + Vanilla Townie Ninja + Ninja Ninja + Ninja Encryptor + Encryptor Encryptor + Encryptor Encryptor + Encryptor Vengeful Vengeful Encryptor + Encryptor 5:Mafia Encryptor + Mafia Hider + Vanilla Townie Ninja + Ninja Ninja + Ninja Ninja + Ninja Encryptor + Encryptor Motion Detector Motion Detector Motion Detector Vengeful 6:Mafia Encryptor + Mafia Encryptor + Vanilla Townie Ninja + Ninja Ninja + Ninja Encryptor + Encryptor Encryptor + Encryptor Encryptor + Encryptor Vengeful Vengeful Encryptor + Encryptor
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Randomly pick a number between 1 and 8 to pick a column, then randomly pick a number between 1-6 to pick a row. Pick the roles associated with the row (2 mafia+11th player) and the intersection of the picked row and column(1-3 power roles), the rest of players will get a VT role PM.Last edited by Not Known 15 on Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:14 am, edited 5 times in total.- Jingle
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Pure Vig is treated as a ridiculously powerful role in that setup.In post 7, callforjudgement wrote:6:3? I'd expect that to be very scumsided. (Add four VTs and it's possibly balanced, but might even then be scumsided.)
NK15, how do I read your table?time will end- callforjudgement
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All vigs are either northsidegal, or northsidegals wearing fetters of doubt in their own majestic beauty and power. EVs not calculated accordingly are erroneous."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Including non-town-aligned power roles. (Excluding Mafia/Werewolf Goons, who are vanilla.)In post 10, OkaPoka wrote:uh # of vts >= non vanilla including or excluding non town aligned players?scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town- OkaPoka
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I think you should be able to read it now(I edited it).In post 7, callforjudgement wrote:NK15, how do I read your table?- Something_Smart
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It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- popsofctown
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@NK15: Are the Ninjas in Row 4 Column 1 intended to function as named townies who share a name with eachother but don't have meaningful power?
If so I would suggest, for identical functionality and slightly more elegance, that they be Informed Townies, information: "You know that there is only two mafia." or "You know that there is one other Informed Townie"."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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There are town ninjas in 3-scum setups too, though. Presumably they're meant to serve as potential millers for the town rolecop.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- popsofctown
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S_S are you -also- doing named townies?
Gunsmith gets "no result" on ascetic townie and knows to clear the slot, which is a sane innocent result the same way it would be if he investigated a VT.
Vanilla Cop gets "no result" when investigating the Ascetic townie. That lets him immediately clear the slot rather than wait for the first flip as with the VTs, I guess, but that's so very marginally different from getting a "Vanilla" result, since in the only subsetup where a town vanilla cop can hit the ascetic townie, the slot will -eventually- be clear.
It doesn't break the setup or anything, I guess. It's just kinda weird.
pedit: ah. I scanned for ninjas in the 3 scum setups but didn't see the ninjas sprinkled in there.
That's true. I can't think of a vacuous informed modifier to use, then."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Pretty much, yes.In post 21, popsofctown wrote:S_S are you -also- doing named townies?
The original version of the setup had VT's instead of ascetic townies, but I realized that it was way too easy for guiltied scum in setups 1 and 4 to get away with claiming the missing investigatives and that made these setups significantly more scumsided than the other two.
I did ascetic because it was a named townie with the neat perk of being 100% confirmable on being checked. I'm not totally happy with it, but I definitely think it's better.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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Gunsmith doesn't get an immediate clear on VT's, btw-- mafia doctors also return no gun. Absent a scumflip or a massclaim, neither investigative can 100% clear any VT's.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- popsofctown
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Yeah I don't play enough Normal games to learn these things.In post 23, Something_Smart wrote:Gunsmith doesn't get an immediate clear on VT's, btw-- mafia doctors also return no gun. Absent a scumflip or a massclaim, neither investigative can 100% clear any VT's."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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