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also, when scum tries to fake a change, they are really conscious of if it feels too sudden.
townies often do those really sudden 180s and they are usually the ones who do it - because sometimes it really does take just that.
it feels like norwegian is being set up to look bad, and id appreciate whoever's town stop doing that- Platinum Phoenix
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splitting points into "offense/defense" is not the right way to play and that implication that it needs to be split like that is made out of bad faithIn post 1266, RCEnigma wrote:
Well what you said is that I'm scum and I'm pushing my agenda onto Norwegian. You didn't bring up any defensive points and just threw blame elsewhere.In post 1262, Platinum Phoenix wrote:also, when scum tries to fake a change, they are really conscious of if it feels too sudden.
townies often do those really sudden 180s and they are usually the ones who do it - because sometimes it really does take just that.
it feels like norwegian is being set up to look bad, and id appreciate whoever's town stop doing that- Platinum Phoenix
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also, how about the fact im not shit pushing nacl, the best way to live?In post 1266, RCEnigma wrote:
Well what you said is that I'm scum and I'm pushing my agenda onto Norwegian. You didn't bring up any defensive points and just threw blame elsewhere.In post 1262, Platinum Phoenix wrote:also, when scum tries to fake a change, they are really conscious of if it feels too sudden.
townies often do those really sudden 180s and they are usually the ones who do it - because sometimes it really does take just that.
it feels like norwegian is being set up to look bad, and id appreciate whoever's town stop doing that- Platinum Phoenix
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This is very wishy-washy and non committal in an opportunistic way.In post 1207, benhalkum wrote:
Platinum Phoenix and RCEnigma stick out to me. Feel though as if I vote for PP, then I'll just be jumped on for "bandwaggoning" while RCEnigma I have nothing other than his post seem to be more along the side of deflection.In post 1206, tris wrote:
You don't have to be confident. Do you have any gut feelings about anyone?In post 1205, benhalkum wrote: As for anything relevant to add, I still don't have anything concrete.
let's play your game.In post 1245, benhalkum wrote:VOTE: Platinum Phoenix
His back and forward with Nor was enough to make me feel ok with voting for him. At this point, I'm thinking both are scum and all of that was to try and get us to not be comfortable voting.
what was the benefit of norwegian bandwagoning me that early and then pulling out a 180 and townreading me?
how would that make people uncomfortable voting us?
do you seriously believe neither of us could make it look smoother/get it to townread me more?- Platinum Phoenix
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i think norwegian's posting is obviously not agenda-y.
and an agenda of "hey stop shitreading me" is not a scum agenda.
the fact norwegian was willing to work in good faith with me when the townies shitpushing this gamestate refuse to actually read my slot with good faith doesn't mean that you get to shitread norwegian and think his progression was too fast.- Platinum Phoenix
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tris the way you want me to vote so you can evaluate your options feels scummyIn post 1276, tris wrote:
Didn't I just answer this?In post 1275, NaCl wrote: @Tris, do you think that the Norwegian & Fake-PP interaction could be town/town? If so, why do you think it couldn't be one where Norwegian is scum and Fake-PP is town?
Are you going to vote for him? Or anyone?In post 1271, Platinum Phoenix wrote:RCE you're not my biggest scumread right now.
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Because I need to be rightIn post 1282, tris wrote:
Why haven't you pushed a counterwagon yet?In post 1278, Platinum Phoenix wrote:
tris the way you want me to vote so you can evaluate your options feels scummyIn post 1276, tris wrote:
Didn't I just answer this?In post 1275, NaCl wrote: @Tris, do you think that the Norwegian & Fake-PP interaction could be town/town? If so, why do you think it couldn't be one where Norwegian is scum and Fake-PP is town?
Are you going to vote for him? Or anyone?In post 1271, Platinum Phoenix wrote:RCE you're not my biggest scumread right now.
ben's recent posting has been kind of atrocious
Because I think Norwegian is town unless they're both in on it.NaCl wrote:@Tris
Oh, yeah, didn't exactly think that through clearly enough. What I was specifically meaning was "If Fake-PP is town, why does Norwegian's interaction depend on his alignment? Couldn't the interaction have gone the same way regardless of if it was Town-Fake-PP and Scum-Norwegian as if it was Town-Fake-PP and Town-Norwegian?"- Platinum Phoenix
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the tonal read part is actually explained by me saying "your read on me wasn't tonal"In post 1300, Unstuck in Time wrote:
His thoughts changed immediately. He asked "Who has?". Then said "Give me names.". Then he thanked him and voted for Beta Sapphire. Then said that he felt better about him because of it and that that was a tonal read. Please explain how that was natural.In post 1258, tris wrote:I guess I shouldn't say couldn't be. That's probably to strong.
It's not because he changed his mind. The way his thoughts change over the course of the conversation seem to be natural.
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then it became a tonal read and he said "look, it's tonal" (which is correct)- Platinum Phoenix
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feels fakeIn post 1263, RCEnigma wrote:Did plat get hammered??- Platinum Phoenix
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hey benIn post 1306, benhalkum wrote:
This is probably the most accurate statement you've made this game.In post 1279, Platinum Phoenix wrote:ugh, as unacceptable as it is, ben could be lazy town
then stop being lazy
and stop voting town- Platinum Phoenix
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also - i think, looking back, what happened was that town decided to wagon my slot for its general unreadability
and as soon as that was fixed scum (tris and RCE) have been trying to re-apply pressure
given that this slot is now mostly solo-me and, well, im chennis, this slot should not be hard to read anymore- Platinum Phoenix
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This is completely a misrepresentation of everything that I've done.In post 1329, RCEnigma wrote:
Initially, I'd agree with this. I mostly got on because you were an awkward slot and there was a meaningful wagon to be had.In post 1326, Platinum Phoenix wrote:also - i think, looking back, what happened was that town decided to wagon my slot for its general unreadability
and as soon as that was fixed scum (tris and RCE) have been trying to re-apply pressure
given that this slot is now mostly solo-me and, well, im chennis, this slot should not be hard to read anymore
I have you the openings to engage with me in a way that showed to me you're town and instead you turned around and shaded me the entire day. You had a decent interaction with Norwegian I kind of liked your reasoning on your read there but in isolation it's not enough to not not win my vote when you're calling me scum for trying to get you to towntell. Instead of going "Cmon guys I'm towntelling."
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In post 1232, Platinum Phoenix wrote:you do realize what you said sounds exactly like what he said?
meaning (if you're town) - people are getting inside your head?
which makes you a prime mislynch candidate after me?In post 1131, Platinum Phoenix wrote:althought, uit, your refusal to think for yourself recently has been bad.In post 1261, Platinum Phoenix wrote:norwegian's willingness to re-evaluate is pretty obviously town.
benhalkum, what concerns you about the interaction?In post 1262, Platinum Phoenix wrote:also, when scum tries to fake a change, they are really conscious of if it feels too sudden.
townies often do those really sudden 180s and they are usually the ones who do it - because sometimes it really does take just that.
it feels like norwegian is being set up to look bad, and id appreciate whoever's town stop doing thatIn post 1270, Platinum Phoenix wrote:TL my understanding is that you're town but you're in a really dumb mindset.In post 1273, Platinum Phoenix wrote:
This is very wishy-washy and non committal in an opportunistic way.In post 1207, benhalkum wrote:
Platinum Phoenix and RCEnigma stick out to me. Feel though as if I vote for PP, then I'll just be jumped on for "bandwaggoning" while RCEnigma I have nothing other than his post seem to be more along the side of deflection.In post 1206, tris wrote:
You don't have to be confident. Do you have any gut feelings about anyone?In post 1205, benhalkum wrote: As for anything relevant to add, I still don't have anything concrete.
let's play your game.In post 1245, benhalkum wrote:VOTE: Platinum Phoenix
His back and forward with Nor was enough to make me feel ok with voting for him. At this point, I'm thinking both are scum and all of that was to try and get us to not be comfortable voting.
what was the benefit of norwegian bandwagoning me that early and then pulling out a 180 and townreading me?
how would that make people uncomfortable voting us?
do you seriously believe neither of us could make it look smoother/get it to townread me more?
the burden of proof was always on you - but i'll play your game.In post 1274, Platinum Phoenix wrote:i think norwegian's posting is obviously not agenda-y.
and an agenda of "hey stop shitreading me" is not a scum agenda.
the fact norwegian was willing to work in good faith with me when the townies shitpushing this gamestate refuse to actually read my slot with good faith doesn't mean that you get to shitread norwegian and think his progression was too fast.
my tone was "hey - why r u doing this bad thing" and later, "ty for being good"- Platinum Phoenix
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also, openly calling you scum isIn post 1390, RCEnigma wrote:
Break it down for me then.In post 1385, Platinum Phoenix wrote:
This is completely a misrepresentation of everything that I've done.In post 1329, RCEnigma wrote:
Initially, I'd agree with this. I mostly got on because you were an awkward slot and there was a meaningful wagon to be had.In post 1326, Platinum Phoenix wrote:also - i think, looking back, what happened was that town decided to wagon my slot for its general unreadability
and as soon as that was fixed scum (tris and RCE) have been trying to re-apply pressure
given that this slot is now mostly solo-me and, well, im chennis, this slot should not be hard to read anymore
I have you the openings to engage with me in a way that showed to me you're town and instead you turned around and shaded me the entire day. You had a decent interaction with Norwegian I kind of liked your reasoning on your read there but in isolation it's not enough to not not win my vote when you're calling me scum for trying to get you to towntell. Instead of going "Cmon guys I'm towntelling."
VOTE: Platshadingsince when?- Platinum Phoenix
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yeah, i understand your point nowIn post 1377, Beta Sapphire wrote:Anyway, reasons: we actually think vork has good scum equity in our PT, we just prefer RCE. I think voting him like that when he’s someone who has good chances of being scum (power scumming, which I’ve heard is something he’s capable of) and at a point in the day when things were majorly stagnating is I think very towny. If vork were to flip green then fake-PP red I would be more worried. But rn I can’t see (as you mentioned) any scum motivation in your vote there.
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i think this kind of implies i've been scumraeding youIn post 1271, Platinum Phoenix wrote:RCE you're not my biggest scumread right now.
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where? I don't think I caught that.In post 1404, RCEnigma wrote:I thought about adding that but it's still vague, which is why I asked you after you flipped your Ben read.- Platinum Phoenix
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In post 1407, chennisden wrote:this is all chennis - i've been flying solo for a while.
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you're one to talk about bad faith.In post 1406, Vorkuta wrote:
You're chenny right?In post 1398, Platinum Phoenix wrote:vorkuta, your read is seriously so bad.
This is honestly the first time I've heard/seen such amazing word choice come out of your mouth, and it sure makes me think that you're panicking scum.
You can feel free to invoke "but I'm a power-town player now!!!! i dun lurk anymoar!!1!" but I'm going to stand by this.
And if you are wrong town- then fine.
I have reasons that I'm not willing to share for now.
You're approaching the slot in bad faith which is exactly how you've treated GE and PP ~30 pages ago.- Platinum Phoenix
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tris at the time?In post 1414, RCEnigma wrote:In post 1287, RCEnigma wrote:
Who does that make your biggest scumread then?In post 1279, Platinum Phoenix wrote:ugh, as unacceptable as it is, ben could be lazy town- Platinum Phoenix
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Yeah I figured.In post 1416, RCEnigma wrote:Response to 1405 because mobile mutiquoting sucks.- Platinum Phoenix
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You mean me?In post 1422, RCEnigma wrote:Vork you look like you're hedging right now.- Platinum Phoenix
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Btw if you do mean me you have a fair point.
I understand that my progression right now is, like, not great
but the main people driving my wagon right now - ben tris RCE and Vork to some extent - aren't exactly the most townread. and I think in the end if I were scum I would be able to direct a mislynch considering momentum. like it wouldn't beeasy,no, but it'd probably be on someone else. and I don't think i need to look for a new angle to push in a way that gets me the mislynchtoday- i think i'd be covering fortomorrow.- Platinum Phoenix
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i think the fact that you're presenting yourself as "Hey dude im not the worst on this wagon" and not actually reading the game while pretending to is something scummy to do.
i dont think town pretends to be so cocky here. i think scum doesn't need to like, read the game so indepth, but needs to try to get a more general overview. and that's the way you feel. you're missing crucial details and yet you're still pushing this as if you've read the game.- Platinum Phoenix
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given that the only real wagons until then were your unserious RVS wagon and mine, driving literally anyone's wagon is something that applies to like, half the playerlist up to his latest postIn post 1428, Vorkuta wrote:also
>ben- driving literally anyone's wagon
>tris- the one that supported my NaCl vote for half a second? Vote-hoppy
I'm pretty sure you've done this to yourself with the early GE and PP drama and they've uh.... parked on you- Platinum Phoenix
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pot - kettleIn post 1432, Vorkuta wrote:In post 1430, Platinum Phoenix wrote:yeah dude, GE is totally voting me right now.it's funny because I even did vote counts
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nah you feel like ur covering up.In post 1432, Vorkuta wrote:In post 1430, Platinum Phoenix wrote:yeah dude, GE is totally voting me right now.it's funny because I even did vote counts
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