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Post Post #57 (isolation #0) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:53 am

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In post 51, Spangled wrote:Hey, Hectic, what made you decide on that specific coalition to vote for?
Why me, why NC 39, etc.?
In post 54, Hectic wrote:
In post 51, Spangled wrote:Hey, Hectic, what made you decide on that specific coalition to vote for?
Why me, why NC 39, etc.?
it was a completely arbitrary and random vote, but having thought about it, it's far more useful to see who people are townreading and want in the coalition from the start rather than to just treat it like RVS

so:

HURT: Alchemist21, EspressoPatronum, NC 39, Spangled
I figured as much. This is like the opposite of Overkill 2, where my slot had 3 votes before I even made a single post but in that case, it wasn’t actually RVS.
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Post Post #58 (isolation #1) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:55 am

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I was telling Nero that we need to keep an eye on nsg because if she posts, that hydra is more likely to be town. Apparently scum!nsg flakes, so I’m leaning town on RC/nsg hydra for now.
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Post Post #59 (isolation #2) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:20 am

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In post 19, Hectic wrote:
In post 10, Alchemist21 wrote:HEAL: Alchemist, RC most awesomest, NC 39, Gamma Emerald, EspressoPatronum

That’s myself plus the 3 slots I believe to be the strongest slots coming into the game plus Espresso since I liked their entrance.

I think the Coalition should be the 5 strongest/Towniest players not just for the obvious reasons of the D1 wincon but also as a weak investigational tool if it fails - if the Coalition fails we know there’s a deep wolf in a group where we might not otherwise suspect scum to be.
is it considered a deep wolf if they're just in the top 5 town reads?

regarding the investigation potential, it is useful for knowing there's at least 1 scum in the group, i don't we can even be too confident that there can't be two scum in the 5 we agree on, so the utility isn't actually that useful
I mean it’s not really rocket science. If we have a coalition that fails, there’s obviously at least one scum in it. But why waste D1 doing that, when it makes far more sense to heal the majority’s top town reads? It’s in our interest for the coalition to succeed on D1, so it makes sense to not be hasty.
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Post Post #63 (isolation #3) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:04 am

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In post 14, Alchemist21 wrote:I promise if it fails I won’t immediately point fingers at your slot because I know how you feel about people lynching you just based on your reputation as a strong scum player.
this felt a little like plactating RC.
In post 17, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 12, RC most awesomest wrote:
In post 8, Hectic wrote:this looks like fun

HEAL: Hectic, NC 39, Spangled, Alchemist, Espresso

VOTE: RC most awesomest

i can provide a few walls later if people doubt these reads
can I, without giving a long winded explanation of why these kinds of posts even made ironically throw me off and make me dislike the game, ask everyone who wants to win as town to not do this
A-fucking-men!
this is pretty yuck.
In post 44, Spangled wrote:
In post 21, Hectic wrote:VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

weakest entrance thus far imo
Dude, he did two things: greet the thread as he literally almost always does, and agreed with someone who disagreed with you... OMGUS, or just a lack of willingness to meta someone? A combination, perchance?
him greeting the thread in null. Why do you feel like sticking up for the guy?
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Post Post #64 (isolation #4) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:08 am

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In post 55, Hectic wrote:so since i like Espresso and
Spangled
so far:
y?


HEAL: NC 39

HURT: Spangeled
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Post Post #106 (isolation #5) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:32 pm

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In post 105, Spangled wrote:
In post 89, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 83, Spangled wrote:
In post 64, NC 39 wrote:
In post 55, Hectic wrote:so since i like Espresso and
Spangled
so far:
y?


HEAL: NC 39

HURT: Spangeled
Making a nice and pointed statement there.

@Gamma
Was people adding themselves to their own coalitions helpful and/or useful in that D1 town-win game?
Yes.
I have to admit, not really the answer I was expecting. Why, though?
In Skitter’s game, scum!Sky made it a point of objecting to be added to any coalition, in case it failed. The other scum in that game, Urist, I think it was, did make a coalition with him in it but then pretty much flaked afterwards.
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Post Post #107 (isolation #6) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:34 pm

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In post 78, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 56, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Cool, this has finally started. I was in Skitter’s game and we actually won on D1, only to have RAS cheat us out of a much deserved win.
How did you get cheated out of the win?

Can you share with us some of the things town did well in that game that we can implement in this game?
RAS was scum IRL basically. Iow, he cheated.

Sure, we were really careful about who we put into the coalition and didn’t rush things. I had 2/3 scum right in that.

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=79751&start=750

Here’s the link.
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Post Post #112 (isolation #7) » Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:57 am

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In post 82, Spangled wrote:Aye, ‘tis null. Exactly. But Hectic, to me, was making out that it was scummy... and I disagreed... and told him so...
I imagine you try and call people out on things you disagree with — I like to do that too.
My initial reaction to this was "thats not why he's voting him!" but looking back he did say.
In post 21, Hectic wrote:weakest entrance thus far imo
So I could see where you'd get that and I guess I was just projecting my own feelings.
In post 17, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 12, RC most awesomest wrote:
In post 8, Hectic wrote:this looks like fun

HEAL: Hectic, NC 39, Spangled, Alchemist, Espresso

VOTE: RC most awesomest

i can provide a few walls later if people doubt these reads
can I, without giving a long winded explanation of why these kinds of posts even made ironically throw me off and make me dislike the game, ask everyone who wants to win as town to not do this
A-fucking-men!
Still dislike that. It's buddying up to RC. Its clearly a joke and RC is being a bit of a whiney head but part of me can certainly understand how jokes can mess with one's head.
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Post Post #113 (isolation #8) » Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:12 am

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In post 108, Clemency wrote:like, i'm usually the type to promote just 'playing the game', but coalition feels so mechanic-centric that i feel it's anti-town to try to avoid that
There's only 1 mechanic? pass an all town coalition. Am I missing something b/c this honestly doesn't sound like some big mechanic fest?
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Post Post #115 (isolation #9) » Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:44 am

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I think you’re right about RCMA. I did an ISO check of both RCMA’s only scumgame, where nsg pretty much flaked and one of nsg’s more recent scumgames, where most of her posts were self-centered and defensive. She wasn’t trying to advance the game forward like she is here.
In post 35, RC most awesomest wrote:
In post 10, Alchemist21 wrote:I think the Coalition should be the 5 strongest/Towniest players not just for the obvious reasons of the D1 wincon but also as a weak investigational tool if it fails - if the Coalition fails we know there’s a deep wolf in a group where we might not otherwise suspect scum to be.
my plan always has been and likely always will be to simply pass a coalition of the towniest players – reads above anything else. i fully intend to win day one and i don't believe that making any trade off for the contingency is worth giving up a higher probability of winning.

-nsg
HEAL: RCMA
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Post Post #116 (isolation #10) » Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:52 am

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In post 96, RC most awesomest wrote:
nancy
, clem, where are youuuuuuuu

-nsg
Was this directed to me specifically or my hydra?

I also would like to understand why Espresso is your strongest sr and why you’re tr LUV?

I’m currently tl Espresso and null on LUV, so what am I missing?
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Post Post #119 (isolation #11) » Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:04 am

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In post 118, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:What are your reads so far?
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Post Post #142 (isolation #12) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:34 am

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In post 117, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:If I wanted to buddy up to RC I would be clamoring to sheep him.
So your defense is basically, "I'm not being obvious scum, therefore I'm not scum." Also, RC hasn't really given out any reads so you could even sheep him if you wanted to.
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Post Post #143 (isolation #13) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:34 am

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In post 132, Alchemist21 wrote:If I did change it I would just take out NC
y?
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Post Post #154 (isolation #14) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:51 am

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In post 123, Hectic wrote:
In post 106, NC 39 wrote:In Skitter’s game, scum!Sky made it a point of objecting to be added to any coalition, in case it failed. The other scum in that game, Urist, I think it was, did make a coalition with him in it but then pretty much flaked afterwards.
isn't that massively anti-town? townie's are confirmed non-scum to themselves so why sacrifice a chance of winning the game D1 for fear of being scumread for being on a failed coalition? tell me he was scumread for that please
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=79751&start=750

It’s been awhile. I recall it being referenced as scum indicative in spec thread.
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Post Post #155 (isolation #15) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:55 am

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In post 146, RC most awesomest wrote:
In post 63, NC 39 wrote:I promise if it fails I won’t immediately point fingers at your slot because I know how you feel about people lynching you just based on your reputation as a strong scum player.
it's not about my feelings, it's about the fact that it's objectively wrong to do so

the only way that feelings come into play is how everyone ~feels~ about the prospect of losing to me

it's not some kind of personal fucking favor to me to treat me like an actual player in a game of mafia
In post 14, Alchemist21 wrote:I promise if it fails I won’t immediately point fingers at your slot because I know how you feel about people lynching you just based on your reputation as a strong scum player.
Hello? That was Alchemist who posted that, not me.
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Post Post #156 (isolation #16) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:10 am

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In post 138, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 132, Alchemist21 wrote: [...]
RC reads was talked about earlier and it’s based on NSG actually posting.
I was hoping you'd have a bit more to substantiate the read at this point, as scum!nsg could very easily post more. What's your read on the RC head*?

*Note - I find it hard to read hydras. Is it better practice to split the read by head and consolidate later, or approach the read in a holistic manner from the outset?
Well, if it helps at all, scum!RC was vehemently opposed to being in the coalition in Gameshow.

I know Maria was as well but she’s kind of weird in that way.

If it weren’t for nsg, I’d probably be waiting a bit longer to include them in my coalition but nsg seems really townie to me. I can’t speak for Alchemist but my read is based on a lot more than post volume. I would check out nsg’s scumgames. That’s what I did before I added them.
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Post Post #157 (isolation #17) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:12 am

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In post 147, RC most awesomest wrote:HURT: spangled

removing from our heal list, will discuss it with nsg later.
In post 148, Alchemist21 wrote:Fine.

HURT: NC 39, Gamma Emerald
???
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Post Post #161 (isolation #18) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:28 am

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In post 29, Skygazer wrote:With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to reach a majority.
Day one ends in (expired on 2019-09-08 18:00:00)
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Post Post #162 (isolation #19) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:32 am

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In post 116, NC 39 wrote:
In post 96, RC most awesomest wrote:
nancy
, clem, where are youuuuuuuu

-nsg
Was this directed to me specifically or my hydra?

I also would like to understand why Espresso is your strongest sr and why you’re tr LUV?

I’m currently tl Espresso and null on LUV, so what am I missing?
In post 145, RC most awesomest wrote:for my part i'm just going to treat EP like a nonparticipant in the game and hope that we win via coalition not including them regardless of their alignment.
I don’t understand either yours or RC’s reads on Espresso.
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Post Post #166 (isolation #20) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:18 am

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Spoiler:
In post 48, Spangled wrote:
In post 10, Alchemist21 wrote:HEAL: Alchemist, RC most awesomest, NC 39, Gamma Emerald, EspressoPatronum

That’s myself plus the 3 slots I believe to be the strongest slots coming into the game plus Espresso since I liked their entrance.

I think the Coalition should be the 5 strongest/Towniest players not just for the obvious reasons of the D1 wincon but also as a weak investigational tool if it fails - if the Coalition fails we know there’s a deep wolf in a group where we might not otherwise suspect scum to be.
Can we do the ‘try and win by Coalition’ thing first, and
then
the ‘use-information-on-a-fail’ thing afterwards,
if
we fail, not just the ‘let’s-find-out-if-there’s-a-deepwolf’ thing straight up?
In post 82, Spangled wrote:
In post 63, NC 39 wrote:
In post 17, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 12, RC most awesomest wrote:
In post 8, Hectic wrote:this looks like fun

HEAL: Hectic, NC 39, Spangled, Alchemist, Espresso

VOTE: RC most awesomest

i can provide a few walls later if people doubt these reads
can I, without giving a long winded explanation of why these kinds of posts even made ironically throw me off and make me dislike the game, ask everyone who wants to win as town to not do this
A-fucking-men!
this is pretty yuck.
What about it?
In post 63, NC 39 wrote:
In post 44, Spangled wrote:
In post 21, Hectic wrote:VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

weakest entrance thus far imo
Dude, he did two things: greet the thread as he literally almost always does, and agreed with someone who disagreed with you... OMGUS, or just a lack of willingness to meta someone? A combination, perchance?
him greeting the thread in null. Why do you feel like sticking up for the guy?
Aye, ‘tis null. Exactly. But Hectic, to me, was making out that it was scummy... and I disagreed... and told him so...
I imagine you try and call people out on things you disagree with — I like to do that too.
In post 103, Spangled wrote:
In post 100, EspressoPatronum wrote:[/color]HEAL: Gamma

The Gamma v LUV disagreement looks genuine + Gamma came out of it looking more town.

HEAL: Spangled

Liking Spangled's posting style thus far. I'm not yet certain if the wide coalition read on Spangled is a good or bad thing, but I'm treating it as a good thing for now.
I’ve seen UTRs be scum, but the biggest, most-AI thing is (in my limited experience) why they end up being UTRed. I don’t know how many people here know emps, but he’s been UTRed up until around EoD2 as scum before, mostly due to tone, and a sheer number of posts, most of which were actually pretty contentless, but seemed helpful.
Townreads everyone agrees on win games, though, especially this one.

Also, about the Gamma v LUV thing, I think Gamma came out of it
somewhat
towny, but what did you think about LUV? Did you agree with Gamma on his defensiveness?


@nsg, these posts read townie to me.
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Post Post #242 (isolation #21) » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:17 am

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instead of complaining about the deadline why not try to solve?
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Post Post #244 (isolation #22) » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:29 am

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LUV is still scum.

RC is town.

HURT: LUV

HEAL: RC

not a big fan of Gamma randomly trying to apply pressure to me.

Don't like how Alchem is ignoring me as I think that often comes from scum.

And still, dislike Spangled.

but thats too many scum reads. So I'm wrong on 2 of those 4.

HEAL: RC most awesomest, Hectic, EspressoPatronum, NC 39 is a rock-solid coalition but I'm hesitant to add Clemency as some of his posts pinged me earlier.

So basically, who are the other town between Clem, Gamma, Alchem, and Spangled and I guess LUV in case I'm wrong but I don't think I am?
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Post Post #245 (isolation #23) » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:29 am

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In post 243, RC most awesomest wrote:who are you talking to?
anyone that's moaning about the deadline.
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Post Post #270 (isolation #24) » Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:27 am

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In post 250, Alchemist21 wrote:You’ve asked me exactly one thing and in the very next post Gamma pointed out your question had been answered already.
fair point I guess although you were plenty of capable of expanding on why you didn't have a town read on us and we are close to DL so isn't about time to start sharing your view of the gamestate?
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Post Post #271 (isolation #25) » Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:37 am

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In post 267, Spangled wrote:
In post 244, NC 39 wrote: not a big fan of Gamma randomly trying to apply pressure to me.
I don’t really like this... applying pressure is almost always an action town takes...
Or was it how he applied pressure that you didn’t like?
CLEARLY.
CLEARLY
.


this is something scum never do.

of course, you have the "almost always" defense setup.

In post 170, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also, NC 39 feels off to me.
In post 184, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm concerned about how they're, like, sliding alongside me
Feels like buddying.
These are just weak accusations that he hasn't backed up at all.
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Post Post #291 (isolation #26) » Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:15 pm

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In post 267, Spangled wrote:
In post 244, NC 39 wrote: not a big fan of Gamma randomly trying to apply pressure to me.
I don’t really like this... applying pressure is almost always an action town takes...
Or was it how he applied pressure that you didn’t like?
Spoiler:
In post 154, Spangled wrote:
In post 152, Iconeum wrote:
In post 20, Spangled wrote:
In post 15, Luca Blight wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 8, Spangled wrote:
In post 7, 2 funk 2 punction wrote:Hello everyone happy day one! I'm completely new to this site, and I think the last time I played mafia was in the 5th grade irl, so I might have a bit of a learning curve...(also have never played minecraft)
let's get the posts rolling~
Indeed!
Some like to do RVS (Random Voting Stage), here on this site, but I’d like to try RQS (Random Question Stage) to kick the game off this time.

So.

AaronFrost
: What TV show are you enjoying at the moment?
Martinkids1
: What is the fabric of the clothes you are wearing right now?
kokorogobrokoro
: Does your name meaning anything in any language, and is there anything we can abbreviate it to?
2 funk 2 punction
: What kind of device are you typing your reply to this from?
eth0s
: What method of transportation do you most enjoy using?
Iconeum
: Do you like the climate of where you live?
Luca Blight
: When did you last consume water?
Draynth
: What movie did you watch most recently?
and
Everyone
: Was there red or green text in your Role PM? :wink: :P



It may be that your intentions are sincere in doing this, but I can't help but dislike the possibility of where this could lead us.

VOTE: Spangled
I do have to ask, though, is this a serious vote or just an RVS vote?
‘Cause if it’s a serious vote, that’s a pretty rubbish reason to scumread someone.
I’m mildly alarmed, eth0s, that you’re townreading Luca Blight with this vote — I’ve seen enough games where town opens with RQS to know that it’s a fairly effective opening to the game that can, in fact, catch scum — not directly, but through the discussion —that all important thing at the beginning of the game — that it provokes.
This is super defensive for early game, and just after a single vote on him.
I don't know why you have it in your mind that town aren't defensive. Could you walk me through the reasoning on this?
In post 152, Iconeum wrote:
In post 58, Spangled wrote:
In post 56, Iconeum wrote:Scum orchestra as in trying to feed/force a scumread to people without committing to that scumread yourself
Ohhh. Right. Rather than scum theatre. I see.
All these terms that aren't on the wiki.

I can see Draynth as scum for those bits outlined above, but it's
fairly
minorly scummy, in my opinion; it's early days yet. It is in that area, I guess, where you could put a vote (to produce information, much as Luca said), but not necessarily a lynch (and definitely not on page 3).
Aye, I'll VOTE: Draynth.
L-3, in case anyone cares.

Pedit:
Never mind,
L-2
.
This is most likely scum hopping onto a wagon for nill reason. The way he explains it is very 'walking the line' trying to justify it but not really taking a stance either.

All his ISO reads like that, very 'carefully' worded posts.

VOTE: Spangled
'Twas a pressure vote, fully acknowledged as such later.

Also, are "'carefully' worded posts" different from "carefully worded posts"; why the emphasis on clearly?


Hey Spangled, I haven’t read the game but I do know you were scum in that. My first reaction to post 267 was, basically, Oh God! you are such a newb to actually believe this but then I saw this post. So, who were you saying was doing the “pressure voting” in 150, Luca Blight or you?

@Alchemist, I was feeling nauseous earlier, so this is my first post today. This is Nancy btw, if that helps.
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Post Post #295 (isolation #27) » Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:27 pm

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:nerd:
In post 273, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 271, NC 39 wrote:
In post 267, Spangled wrote:
In post 244, NC 39 wrote: not a big fan of Gamma randomly trying to apply pressure to me.
I don’t really like this... applying pressure is almost always an action town takes...
Or was it how he applied pressure that you didn’t like?
CLEARLY.
CLEARLY
.


this is something scum never do.

of course, you have the "almost always" defense setup.

In post 170, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also, NC 39 feels off to me.
In post 184, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm concerned about how they're, like, sliding alongside me
Feels like buddying.
These are just weak accusations that he hasn't backed up at all.
Okay. You don't think you responding to a question directed at me and reacting with blank (undetailed) abjection to Alchemist saying your and my slot weren't towny enough for a coalition looked a little off to me? And like Spangled has a point, your suspicion of me is pretty weak itself.
Is there some reason you are mischaracterizing my post here? RC, objected to Spangled being in the coalition and then Alchemist removed both of us, after saying “fine”. I referenced that because RCMA made no mention of us, so I was wondering why Alchemist seemed to make that connection.

I had agreed with some of your posts but obviously not all and I explained the reasoning for that. I’m very curious how that read as “buddying” to you?

@Alchemist, it was Nero who made the “y” post.
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Post Post #296 (isolation #28) » Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:30 pm

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In post 292, Spangled wrote:I have had a kind of weird scum-gut-read for a while on NC 39 because of occasionally abrasive interaction with me, but I looked over both my and their ISO and I’m pretty sure that I have been equally at fault in my abrasiveness — see my previous post for an example, actually, now that I think about it — toward them, and I feel like it’s a kind of semi-instinctive OMGUS that I should
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One thing I noticed about both of your scumgames. was that you seemed to be trying to win the Guinness award for OMGUS voting. You haven’t done that so far in this game.
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Post Post #299 (isolation #29) » Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:33 pm

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In post 294, Spangled wrote:Woah some stuff happened there. Sorry about that; I’m messing up formatting as never before this game.
I kind of messed up the original formatting myself. That seems to happen whenever I can’t quote a post directly that has spoiler tags.
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Post Post #301 (isolation #30) » Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:33 pm

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In post 297, Skygazer wrote:
YOUAREGREAT replaces Clemency.
They had better be. :P
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Post Post #302 (isolation #31) » Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:38 pm

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In post 296, NC 39 wrote:
In post 292, Spangled wrote:I have had a kind of weird scum-gut-read for a while on NC 39 because of occasionally abrasive interaction with me, but I looked over both my and their ISO and I’m pretty sure that I have been equally at fault in my abrasiveness — see my previous post for an example, actually, now that I think about it — toward them, and I feel like it’s a kind of semi-instinctive OMGUS that I should
probably
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One thing I noticed about both of your scumgames. was that you seemed to be trying to win the Guinness award for OMGUS voting. You haven’t done that so far in this game.
I should also make it clear, it was Nero who did that. Have you played with Nero before?
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Post Post #314 (isolation #32) » Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:51 pm

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In post 303, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 295, NC 39 wrote:Is there some reason you are mischaracterizing my post here? RC, objected to Spangled being in the coalition and then Alchemist removed both of us, after saying “fine”. I referenced that because RCMA made no mention of us, so I was wondering why Alchemist seemed to make that connection.

I had agreed with some of your posts but obviously not all and I explained the reasoning for that. I’m very curious how that read as “buddying” to you?
I'm pretty sure you had a similar reaction to Alchemist's initial statement that he'd remove us from his coalition as when he actually did it. So first off you seem very on edge, which also makes you looks suspicious outside the buddying situation, and second
I feel like you're trying to get me associated with you
.
Nero, asking “y”, reads as “on edge” to you? Seriously?

Wrt the bolded: What the actual fuck?

I would really love to hear the thought process behind that. :lol:
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Post Post #318 (isolation #33) » Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:55 pm

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In post 304, Spangled wrote:
In post 302, NC 39 wrote:
In post 296, NC 39 wrote:
In post 292, Spangled wrote:I have had a kind of weird scum-gut-read for a while on NC 39 because of occasionally abrasive interaction with me, but I looked over both my and their ISO and I’m pretty sure that I have been equally at fault in my abrasiveness — see my previous post for an example, actually, now that I think about it — toward them, and I feel like it’s a kind of semi-instinctive OMGUS that I should
probably
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One thing I noticed about both of your scumgames. was that you seemed to be trying to win the Guinness award for OMGUS voting. You haven’t done that so far in this game.
I should also make it clear, it was Nero who did that. Have you played with Nero before?
No, I have not. The only people I have personal experience with were two of the failed-to-pick-up-Role-PM rep-outs.
Nero can often be abrasive, so another way to tell us apart.
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Post Post #322 (isolation #34) » Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:02 pm

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In post 312, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 308, Spangled wrote:
In post 303, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 295, NC 39 wrote:Is there some reason you are mischaracterizing my post here? RC, objected to Spangled being in the coalition and then Alchemist removed both of us, after saying “fine”. I referenced that because RCMA made no mention of us, so I was wondering why Alchemist seemed to make that connection.

I had agreed with some of your posts but obviously not all and I explained the reasoning for that. I’m very curious how that read as “buddying” to you?
I'm pretty sure you had a similar reaction to Alchemist's initial statement that he'd remove us from his coalition as when he actually did it. So first off you seem very on edge, which also makes you looks suspicious outside the buddying situation, and second I feel like you're trying to get me associated with you.
What do you mean by ‘trying to get me associated with you’? What kind of agenda do you think they’re pushing as scum, sorry?
I think they're trying to make me look like I'm bad with them.
I was agreeing, explaining and backing up WHY I was agreeing with some of your posts. Wrt to the Alchemist post, he happened to remove both our names at the same time.

So once again, explain A) how this is “bad” and B) how and why I am trying to be linked with you?

Because this is making 0 sense to me.
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Post Post #335 (isolation #35) » Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:49 pm

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In post 244, NC 39 wrote:LUV is still scum.

RC is town.

HURT: LUV

HEAL: RC

not a big fan of Gamma randomly trying to apply pressure to me.

Don't like how Alchem is ignoring me as I think that often comes from scum.

And still, dislike Spangled.

but thats too many scum reads. So I'm wrong on 2 of those 4.

HEAL: RC most awesomest, Hectic, EspressoPatronum, NC 39 is a rock-solid coalition but I'm hesitant to add Clemency as some of his posts pinged me earlier.

So basically, who are the other town between Clem, Gamma, Alchem, and Spangled and I guess LUV in case I'm wrong but I don't think I am?
Nero and I haven’t had a chance to coordinate on this. I’m not sold on Hectic yet but definitely prefer him to Great, Gamma, LUV.

NC 39
RCMA
Espresso

Hectic?/Spangled/Alchemist

Great
Gamma
LUV

This is where I’m at rn.
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Post Post #339 (isolation #36) » Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:06 pm

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In post 336, YOUAREGREAT wrote:how did i end up on your scum-list?
You were never on my townlist.
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Post Post #341 (isolation #37) » Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:18 pm

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YOUAREGREAT wrote:that's cause i just joined this game.

but that means i should be on your null-list.

why am i on your scum-list?
I never said you were on my scum list.

But I don’t tr you over Hectic/Spangled/Alchemist.

Why do you think I should?
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Post Post #343 (isolation #38) » Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:25 pm

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In post 342, YOUAREGREAT wrote:
In post 341, NC 39 wrote:
YOUAREGREAT wrote:that's cause i just joined this game.

but that means i should be on your null-list.

why am i on your scum-list?
I never said you were on my scum list.

But I don’t tr you over Hectic/Spangled/Alchemist.


Why do you think I should?
i'm on your scum-list? unless i'm reading your read list wrong

i'm not asking you tr me, i'm asking you
why
you scumread me
It’s in tiers.

We’re obviously at the top. RCMA and Espresso are next, followed by Hecking/Spangled/Alchemist.

You haven’t posted anything to put you higher than any of them.

What part of the bolded are you misinterpreting?
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Post Post #345 (isolation #39) » Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:35 pm

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In post 344, YOUAREGREAT wrote:i saw your tiers as: "town, null, scum", which would imply that i had done something specific to be scumread by you. now that i see it's POE, i understand where you're coming from.

i thought LUV was scum on my initial-readthrough as well, but i'm curious why you feel the same way. which lines from LUV did you not like?
They just haven’t done anything to warrant a tr so far. What bothered me the most was him telling Espresso to play the game, yet when I asked him for reads, he never gave any. Again, it’s POE, if he were to give some reads and explain them to my satisfaction, that would obviously change my read on him.
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Post Post #371 (isolation #40) » Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:25 am

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In post 279, EspressoPatronum wrote:I think what NC is getting at is that they want you to be more proactive with your reads and/or supplying us with information.
THANK YOU!
In post 287, Alchemist21 wrote:I could probably have a good read on NC 39 if I knew which head made which posts.
I mean maybe it's just me but I feel like its p obvious which posts are mine and which are hers. If she isn't already singing I'll have her do that.
In post 290, Spangled wrote:What is the something that ‘scum never do’, sorry?
that was me making fun of you. I don't know, I feel like you town reading Gamma b/c he
IS
throwing pressure my way is slightly silly. Yes, applying pressure is more likely to come from town b/c there are always going to more town in the game from scum. It's just a silly weak statement. How do you differentiate between town applying pressure and scum applying pressure?

although you do go on to show that you understand scum do it as well
In post 290, Spangled wrote:And I say “almost always” because it is true — sometimes scum put pressure on people; I’m told that that is a very effective way to appear townie, and win the game. I tend to find that that is the goal scum aim for, yeah?
but I'm confused a little bit, if you understood this why did you and why do you think that I should think that he's just misguided town rather than scum throwing shade on me slot?
In post 290, Spangled wrote:I agree that those are fairly weak accusations, but you can’t really back up a read that seems to be completely gut.
he's accusing me of buddying him. That's not gut. He could provide evidence of what makes him think that. He's also saying that we are "off". He could also quote the posts that make him think this.
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Post Post #372 (isolation #41) » Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:38 am

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In post 323, YOUAREGREAT wrote:not a fan of this post
b/c?
In post 340, YOUAREGREAT wrote:but that means i should be on your null-list.
Why does Nancy have to reset on Clem's slot just b/c you replaced in?
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Post Post #373 (isolation #42) » Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:58 am

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In post 273, Gamma Emerald wrote:Okay. You don't think you responding to a question directed at me and reacting with blank (undetailed) abjection to Alchemist saying your and my slot weren't towny enough for a coalition looked a little off to me? And like Spangled has a point, your suspicion of me is pretty weak itself.
I always ask ppl that are scum reading me why they are scum reading me regardless of alignment. We've also played a bunch together. Are you telling me that I've never once asked anyone that was scum reading me why they were scum reading me? And just in general, why is that a bad question? Should we just all be throwing out reads without reasons given? Why didn't
YOU
care that Achlem was reading you wrong? Or was he not?

In post 273, Gamma Emerald wrote:And like Spangled has a point, your suspicion of me is pretty weak itself.
that's really really not what he said though.
In post 290, Spangled wrote:I agree that those are fairly weak accusations, but you can’t really back up a read that seems to be completely gut.
He's saying that
YOUR
accusations are weak but defended them as gut despite that a buddying accusation is in fact not a gut accusation. Maybe one could argue that the "NC feels off" is a gut accusation but you are claiming you felt this way b/c I asked Aclem was he was not townreading me.
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Post Post #404 (isolation #43) » Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:27 pm

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In post 382, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 373, NC 39 wrote:Why didn't YOU care that Achlem was reading you wrong?
I didn't really feel like it needed to be addressed. If it was more substantiated I might have.
Also your reads seem really weak rn
Any in particular?
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Post Post #405 (isolation #44) » Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:49 pm

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In post 384, Hectic wrote:
In post 352, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 206, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 202, RC most awesomest wrote:sky give extension

-nsg
This plz
The short deadline kinda makes forming a decent coalition hard. Even if we just get an extended D1 deadline I'll be happy
The bitching about the deadline is annoying. The coalition is not isn’t the be all end all. I’d be pissed as scum right now if Sky granted this.
this feels towny as well unless LUV is transparent enough as scum to show outrage at something like this
I’m not impressed by his underestimating of the value of the coalition or his RCMA tr, Had he given it at the time I asked him or earlier, I’d feel better about it. However, it’s slightly concerning to me that LUV seems to be sr by almost everyone but RCMA.
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Post Post #407 (isolation #45) » Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:56 pm

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In post 401, Spangled wrote:
In post 398, Alchemist21 wrote:I can see your points on Great pushing against status quo a bit. However I think there’s too much wifom on their rep-in remarks about Clemency. Clemency doing what even he says he does as scum could be null because real life stuff happens but it certainly shouldn’t be a good sign that he’s Town to anyone. And they might not have hard pushed the idea but they are the one who introduced the idea and it comes off as a bit LAMIST for their slot and there’s just no way I can trust it enough for a Coalition vote.
Well, it wasn’t so much him doing what he says he does as scum; he seems to have completely siteflaked, I think, not just disappeared here. No, it’s more around the boldness and WIFOM-ness of the statement, if he was scum — if he knows he freezes up as scum (and probably has done so recently?) he’s definitely not going to mention it, is he?
In post 405, NC 39 wrote:
In post 384, Hectic wrote:
In post 352, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 206, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 202, RC most awesomest wrote:sky give extension

-nsg
This plz
The short deadline kinda makes forming a decent coalition hard. Even if we just get an extended D1 deadline I'll be happy
The bitching about the deadline is annoying. The coalition is not isn’t the be all end all. I’d be pissed as scum right now if Sky granted this.
this feels towny as well unless LUV is transparent enough as scum to show outrage at something like this
I’m not impressed by his underestimating of the value of the coalition or his RCMA tr, Had he given it at the time I asked him or earlier, I’d feel better about it. However,
it’s slightly concerning to me that LUV seems to be sr by almost everyone but RCMA.
@Great, what is your take on this?
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Post Post #409 (isolation #46) » Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:24 pm

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In post 406, Spangled wrote:
In post 405, NC 39 wrote:However, it’s slightly concerning to me that LUV seems to be sr by almost everyone but RCMA.
I think in the case of many people — certainly it is for myself — that it’s more of a ‘at the lower end of null’ than a full scumread.

But I do see what you mean. Presumably, I suppose, scum are bussing in such a way that it gets them towncred — either that, or LUV is town. If no one’s scumreading him in a towncred-earning kind of way, then maybe the most likely conclusion is that he’s town...? Is that what you’re saying, here?
Well, we couldn’t possibly know that until he’s flipped but yeah, it’s seems too easy. In DnD, nearly everyone wanted to lynch Lovebird except RC and she wound up flipping town, so I’m thinking RCMA could possibly be right about LUV as well.
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Post Post #415 (isolation #47) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:16 am

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In post 414, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 404, NC 39 wrote:
In post 382, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 373, NC 39 wrote:Why didn't YOU care that Achlem was reading you wrong?
I didn't really feel like it needed to be addressed. If it was more substantiated I might have.
Also your reads seem really weak rn
Any in particular?
It's more a general statement because of how ill formed they seem.
In post 410, Spangled wrote:
In post 409, NC 39 wrote:
In post 406, Spangled wrote:
In post 405, NC 39 wrote:However, it’s slightly concerning to me that LUV seems to be sr by almost everyone but RCMA.
I think in the case of many people — certainly it is for myself — that it’s more of a ‘at the lower end of null’ than a full scumread.

But I do see what you mean. Presumably, I suppose, scum are bussing in such a way that it gets them towncred — either that, or LUV is town. If no one’s scumreading him in a towncred-earning kind of way, then maybe the most likely conclusion is that he’s town...? Is that what you’re saying, here?
Well, we couldn’t possibly know that until he’s flipped but yeah, it’s seems too easy. In DnD, nearly everyone wanted to lynch Lovebird except RC and she wound up flipping town, so I’m thinking RCMA could possibly be right about LUV as well.
Makes sense, I suppose. I’ll take that with a grain of salt, though, because it feels to me as if RCMA have me/EP pegged very definitely as the scumteam, and if they weren’t scumreading me and him, who knows where their reads might be pointed? (If that makes sense.)
Do you think they’re wrong on LUV?
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Post Post #416 (isolation #48) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:20 am

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I meant to respond to this as well. @Gamma, since you seem to feel quite strongly that my reads are “ill formed”, I’m sure that you shouldn’t have too much trouble quoting a few examples of this?

so I actually have some real content to address.
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Post Post #423 (isolation #49) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:57 pm

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In post 422, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 417, Gamma Emerald wrote:I don't like how you structured your PoE reads list, it seems your only real FoS is me, but LUV is lower? In addition there's my pre-exusting confusion about what the middle of the list is supposed to mean. It honestly feels like you vomited out reads without thinking them over really at all. That's what I mean.
It was a list of who I have as towniest to least towniest. It was in tiers, which I’ve already explained. It’s not my problem that you are inexplicably choosing to ignore that. Yes, it’s true, my read on you has plummeted. Maybe if you stop mischaracterizing my posts and insisting you understand my thought process better than I do, that might change.
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Post Post #425 (isolation #50) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:05 pm

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In post 418, Spangled wrote:
In post 403, Spangled wrote:
In post 402, Alchemist21 wrote:If it’s already well-known he would.
I could
maybe
buy that if there’s someone here he’s played a few games with (especially a scum game against), but so blatantly? Really?
If he’s scum, it just seems a pointless way to get yourself suspected if you seem to freeze up; the WIFOM seems all negative if he’s scum.
In post 415, NC 39 wrote:
In post 414, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 404, NC 39 wrote:
In post 382, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 373, NC 39 wrote:Why didn't YOU care that Achlem was reading you wrong?
I didn't really feel like it needed to be addressed. If it was more substantiated I might have.
Also your reads seem really weak rn
Any in particular?
It's more a general statement because of how ill formed they seem.
In post 410, Spangled wrote:
In post 409, NC 39 wrote:
In post 406, Spangled wrote:
In post 405, NC 39 wrote:However, it’s slightly concerning to me that LUV seems to be sr by almost everyone but RCMA.
I think in the case of many people — certainly it is for myself — that it’s more of a ‘at the lower end of null’ than a full scumread.

But I do see what you mean. Presumably, I suppose, scum are bussing in such a way that it gets them towncred — either that, or LUV is town. If no one’s scumreading him in a towncred-earning kind of way, then maybe the most likely conclusion is that he’s town...? Is that what you’re saying, here?
Well, we couldn’t possibly know that until he’s flipped but yeah, it’s seems too easy. In DnD, nearly everyone wanted to lynch Lovebird except RC and she wound up flipping town, so I’m thinking RCMA could possibly be right about LUV as well.
Makes sense, I suppose. I’ll take that with a grain of salt, though, because it feels to me as if RCMA have me/EP pegged very definitely as the scumteam, and if they weren’t scumreading me and him, who knows where their reads might be pointed? (If that makes sense.)
Do you think they’re wrong on LUV?
I don’t know — but you definitely have something decent there — when the consensus seems to be ‘they’re most likely scum’, there’s probably something not quite right going on, especially if people aren’t pushing them in a towncred-earning way.

Still wouldn’t really feel comfortable with them in the coalition, though — I’d really like some more reads and thoughts from them on the game, because they just
have not said enough
.
I agree, I’m not ready to put them into my coalition either at this point. I’m hoping he will do more to help me correctly read him but yeah, something about all of the sr on him, is definitely pinging me as possible mislynchbait.
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Post Post #426 (isolation #51) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:09 pm

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In post 419, YOUAREGREAT wrote:after doing some cursory re-reading, my thoughts right now are:

spangled town

expresso town

gamma null-leaning town

alchemist null

RC null

LUV null-leaning scum

NC leaning-mafia

hectic mafia

i'm happy to discuss any of these reads, but i don't have the energy right now to explain all of them at once. they're subject to change, too.
Is there some reason, you are ignoring my question to you?
In post 407, NC 39 wrote:
In post 401, Spangled wrote:
In post 398, Alchemist21 wrote:I can see your points on Great pushing against status quo a bit. However I think there’s too much wifom on their rep-in remarks about Clemency. Clemency doing what even he says he does as scum could be null because real life stuff happens but it certainly shouldn’t be a good sign that he’s Town to anyone. And they might not have hard pushed the idea but they are the one who introduced the idea and it comes off as a bit LAMIST for their slot and there’s just no way I can trust it enough for a Coalition vote.
Well, it wasn’t so much him doing what he says he does as scum; he seems to have completely siteflaked, I think, not just disappeared here. No, it’s more around the boldness and WIFOM-ness of the statement, if he was scum — if he knows he freezes up as scum (and probably has done so recently?) he’s definitely not going to mention it, is he?
In post 405, NC 39 wrote:
In post 384, Hectic wrote:
In post 352, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 206, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 202, RC most awesomest wrote:sky give extension

-nsg
This plz
The short deadline kinda makes forming a decent coalition hard. Even if we just get an extended D1 deadline I'll be happy
The bitching about the deadline is annoying. The coalition is not isn’t the be all end all. I’d be pissed as scum right now if Sky granted this.
this feels towny as well unless LUV is transparent enough as scum to show outrage at something like this
I’m not impressed by his underestimating of the value of the coalition or his RCMA tr, Had he given it at the time I asked him or earlier, I’d feel better about it. However,
it’s slightly concerning to me that LUV seems to be sr by almost everyone but RCMA.
@Great, what is your take on this?
And so many people have already pointed out that this is not nsg’s scumgame, so how are you still reading RCMA as a null?
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Post Post #427 (isolation #52) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:14 pm

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In post 424, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 422, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 417, Gamma Emerald wrote:I don't like how you structured your PoE reads list, it seems your only real FoS is me, but LUV is lower? In addition there's my pre-exusting confusion about what the middle of the list is supposed to mean. It honestly feels like you vomited out reads without thinking them over really at all. That's what I mean.
It was a list of who I have as towniest to least towniest. It was in tiers, which I’ve already explained. It’s not my problem that you are inexplicably choosing to ignore that. Yes, it’s true, my read on you has plummeted. Maybe if you stop mischaracterizing my posts and insisting you understand my thought process better than I do, that might change.
Your middle makes no sense though wrt what it means.
Once again, what part of “it’s in tiers” are you struggling with? I didn’t have Hectic/Spangled/Alchemist as nulls. I had them as lower than RC/Espresso. - which I already explained to Great. Do you really need me to requote that post or are you just going to continue to disregard it, no matter how many times I say it?
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Post Post #429 (isolation #53) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:19 pm

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In post 343, NC 39 wrote:
In post 342, YOUAREGREAT wrote:
In post 341, NC 39 wrote:
YOUAREGREAT wrote:that's cause i just joined this game.

but that means i should be on your null-list.

why am i on your scum-list?
I never said you were on my scum list.

But I don’t tr you over Hectic/Spangled/Alchemist.


Why do you think I should?
i'm on your scum-list? unless i'm reading your read list wrong

i'm not asking you tr me, i'm asking you
why
you scumread me
It’s in tiers.

We’re obviously at the top. RCMA and Espresso are next, followed by Hecking/Spangled/Alchemist.

You haven’t posted anything to put you higher than any of them
.

What part of the bolded are you misinterpreting?
@Gamma, if you say one more time, you don’t know what the middle line means/or is “confusing” to you, I’m going to start questioning your sincerity.

You are the only player in this game that keeps doing that. How do you think I ought to be reading that?
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Post Post #432 (isolation #54) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:27 pm

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In post 428, Gamma Emerald wrote:Okay, point taken, but in that case what separates those groups? Confidence?
Stronger reads.

@Great, why are you voting Hecking? I thought he seemed to be sincerely trying to sort LUV. Or are you sr him because of his Alchemist vote? You gave a readslist but didn’t explain any of them.
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Post Post #433 (isolation #55) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:28 pm

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In post 430, Gamma Emerald wrote:Well as it is, it looks like it's completely arbitrary. How am I supposed to read arbitrary read list divisions?
Why? Because you disagree with it?
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Post Post #436 (isolation #56) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:33 pm

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In post 431, YOUAREGREAT wrote:
In post 421, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 419, YOUAREGREAT wrote:RC null

hectic mafia
Talk about these please
it feels to me like hectic has been approaching the game in a way where he's overly concerned with how people perceive him. when he was criticized on the first page by RC, i think he reacted too strongly and focused on it for too long. similarly, posts like #190 make me feel like he was too concerned with whether or not his actions were being taken as town. it feels LAMIST, in a sense.

granted, i actually do like some of his recent takes on LUV, and i like that he called out expresso for defending his vote on alchemist. but it's odd to me that he's done this whole "alchemist is scum and i'll explain why later but not right now" thing for several days now.

i'm not sold on him being scum, but i feel like his tone and his approach has rubbed me the wrong way the most out of everyone so far.

as for RC, i just feel like they've done nothing so far that they wouldn't be capable of faking as scum. they seem to have lots of frustration with the way the game is being approached, and they're trying to discredit the universal townread on spangled as much as they can. but they haven't taken many solid stances yet as far as reads go and their tone just seems bitter and detached. i don't scumread them but i don't see a reason to believe that they're town yet. also, i was lowkey mad that they tried to discredit my reads/play in #377. seemed like an unnecessarily aggressive way to address me.
Tbf, some of your reads aren’t making a whole lot of sense to me either. And it’s annoying that you keep dodging my question.
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Post Post #438 (isolation #57) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:38 pm

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In post 434, YOUAREGREAT wrote:
In post 405, NC 39 wrote:
In post 384, Hectic wrote:
In post 352, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 206, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 202, RC most awesomest wrote:sky give extension

-nsg
This plz
The short deadline kinda makes forming a decent coalition hard. Even if we just get an extended D1 deadline I'll be happy
The bitching about the deadline is annoying. The coalition is not isn’t the be all end all. I’d be pissed as scum right now if Sky granted this.
this feels towny as well unless LUV is transparent enough as scum to show outrage at something like this
I’m not impressed by his underestimating of the value of the coalition or his RCMA tr, Had he given it at the time I asked him or earlier, I’d feel better about it. However, it’s slightly concerning to me that LUV seems to be sr by almost everyone but RCMA.
i actually agree with your thoughts on LUV, which is why i've backed off my scumread on him a bit. he had a few posts that pinged me as scummy but
i feel like he's an easy target and is essentially mislynch bait right now
.

as for why i null-read RC and scumread hectic, i just explained.
Wrt the bolded, That was the very point I was making last night. No wonder I find your reads confusing.

Have you ISO’d any of either RCMA’s or nsg’s scumgames?
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Post Post #440 (isolation #58) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:54 pm

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In post 439, YOUAREGREAT wrote:what question am i dodging? and which of my reads don't make sense to you?[b{ it sounds like we agree now that LUV is mislynch bait and shouldn't be the focus of attention[/b].

and nope, i haven't iso'd either of their scumgames. how different is this game from their typical scum-meta?
You answered it now and in your last post. Well for one, if we’re agreeing on LUV, why are you sl me? And it’s entirely different for nsg, which is why I suggested you ISO both RCMA’s and nsg’s scumgames, to answer your question.
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Post Post #456 (isolation #59) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:12 pm

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In post 451, Gamma Emerald wrote:I mean look at how much time I had to put in to get a simple explanation for why a PoE list was structured how it was. Like I feel if I had to describe that hydra's play in one word it would be "defensive". They don't seem to handle any sort of pushing/pressure at all.
I’m finding responding to your posts, extremely frustrating, because you seem to be misreading some of my posts, even when I keep explaining them to you, repeatedly. I’m still trying to determine if that’s an actual misunderstanding on your part or intentional.

Like the list thing for example. I made it clear it was a list in tiers, from towniest reads to least towniest and I had to explain it to you more than once - after I had already and clearly explained it to Great.

So, it’s hard not to be tilted, when I get asked to explain the same exact thing more than once.
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Post Post #463 (isolation #60) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:51 pm

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Spoiler:
In post 461, Spangled wrote:
In post 460, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 116, NC 39 wrote:
In post 96, RC most awesomest wrote:
nancy
, clem, where are youuuuuuuu

-nsg
Was this directed to me specifically or my hydra?

I also would like to understand why Espresso is your strongest sr and why you’re tr LUV?

I’m currently tl Espresso and null on LUV, so what am I missing?
In post 143, NC 39 wrote:
In post 132, Alchemist21 wrote:If I did change it I would just take out NC
y?
In post 157, NC 39 wrote:
In post 147, RC most awesomest wrote:HURT: spangled

removing from our heal list, will discuss it with nsg later.
In post 148, Alchemist21 wrote:Fine.

HURT: NC 39, Gamma Emerald
???
In post 244, NC 39 wrote:LUV is still scum.

RC is town.

HURT: LUV

HEAL: RC

not a big fan of Gamma randomly trying to apply pressure to me.

Don't like how Alchem is ignoring me as I think that often comes from scum.

And still, dislike Spangled.

but thats too many scum reads. So I'm wrong on 2 of those 4.

HEAL: RC most awesomest, Hectic, EspressoPatronum, NC 39 is a rock-solid coalition but I'm hesitant to add Clemency as some of his posts pinged me earlier.

So basically, who are the other town between Clem, Gamma, Alchem, and Spangled and I guess LUV in case I'm wrong but I don't think I am?
In post 373, NC 39 wrote:
In post 273, Gamma Emerald wrote:Okay. You don't think you responding to a question directed at me and reacting with blank (undetailed) abjection to Alchemist saying your and my slot weren't towny enough for a coalition looked a little off to me? And like Spangled has a point, your suspicion of me is pretty weak itself.
[=spoiler]

I always ask ppl that are scum reading me why they are scum reading me regardless of alignment. We've also played a bunch together. Are you telling me that I've never once asked anyone that was scum reading me why they were scum reading me? And just in general, why is that a bad question? Should we just all be throwing out reads without reasons given? Why didn't
YOU
care that Achlem was reading you wrong? Or was he not?

In post 273, Gamma Emerald wrote:And like Spangled has a point, your suspicion of me is pretty weak itself.
that's really really not what he said though.
In post 290, Spangled wrote:I agree that those are fairly weak accusations, but you can’t really back up a read that seems to be completely gut.
He's saying that
YOUR
accusations are weak but defended them as gut despite that a buddying accusation is in fact not a gut accusation. Maybe one could argue that the "NC feels off" is a gut accusation but you are claiming you felt this way b/c I asked Aclem was he was not townreading me.
In post 433, NC 39 wrote:
In post 430, Gamma Emerald wrote:Well as it is, it looks like it's completely arbitrary. How am I supposed to read arbitrary read list divisions?
Why? Because you disagree with it?
[m
These are the posts I find defensive from NC 39. It's less than I expected, and I think that's mostly because I had my head up my ass regarding my own interactions with them.
I find it telling that those posts are all from Nero (I think); I feel like what you’re perceiving as defensiveness is personality-based and more of a general abrasiveness.
Has your read changed on them, after (I’m assuming) skimming their ISO?


Some were mine but the more abrasive posts, were all Nero. Wrt to 116 - I was particularly surprised at that one. Nsg referenced me by name but I wasn’t sure if she actually meant me specifically or my hydra. Nero’s abrasiveness is actually town indicative for him. In the two games I played with scum!Nero, he was more laid back.
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Post Post #464 (isolation #61) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:47 pm

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I’ve thought a lot about RCMA’s Oversoul case as to why they’re sr Spangled but it just seems more and more improbable to me that he’s actually scum faking all that. He’s posting so much but still apparently so effectively hiding a scum agenda? If so, I’m totally not seeing it.

HEAL: Spangled

@RCMA, I was hesitant on adding him because you were sr him but I really think he’s obvtown in this game. I urge you to read his scumgames and realize how differently he’s playing here.
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Post Post #468 (isolation #62) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:49 pm

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In post 465, Spangled wrote:I’m townreading Gamma’s willingness to read NC 39 again.
I’m townreading NC 39’s willingness to read me despite RC’s read on me, but this comes with more reservations since I could be sort of... ‘anti-OMGUSing’, — where you townread someone because they correctly read you, I guess — maybe...

I’m getting more paranoid about EP and GREAT, but both have been pretty towny so far — I guess I just need some activity to sort of... refresh my townreads, I guess? I don’t really know what I mean here, but I think I’ve captured the gist.
I didn’t know that Gamma and Nero had such a contentious history but this wouldn’t be the first time he misread me, because of my hydra partner. He sr me in DnD because Math was obsessively death tunneling obvtown Kokichi.
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Post Post #496 (isolation #63) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:28 pm

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@Spangled, if you’re now tr LUV and since I was the one who first expressed concern over all of the sr on him, I really don’t understand your recent thought process on this.

Also @LUV are you planning on creating a coalition yourself and if so, who would you put into it.

I am not at all rigid wrt to my coalition choices but with the deadline close approaching, we need no less than 5 people to be in sync on 5 players.

I really don’t understand how you’re so solid on GREAT.

As for Gamma, ISO’d a few of their scumgames and I didn’t see this kind of re-evaluation in any of them. His play has been extremely baffling to me but that did read sincere to me, so I honestly don’t know what to think about it.

I really hope that RCMA aren’t repping out, we really need their input, so it’s so close to the deadline and it doesn’t look like we’re any closer to a consensus.

I know and am willing to change my coalition picks, in order to get it passed, because rn, it’s not looking like it’s even happening.
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Post Post #497 (isolation #64) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:37 pm

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In post 494, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I wish I could tell who has been mostly posting from the NC 39 hydra because I would have more of a read of my own there. I definitely don’t want them in though because I’ve been feeling the same way you and Great have been about them.
Which is what exactly?

This is Nancy btw.
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Post Post #499 (isolation #65) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:44 pm

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In post 450, Skygazer wrote:
VC 1.12


Coalitions:

Hectic (5): EspressoPatronum, Hectic, NC 39, RC most awesomest, Spangled
EspressoPatronum (5): EspressoPatronum, Hectic, NC 39, RC most awesomest, Spangled

NC 39 (4): EspressoPatronum, Hectic, NC 39, RC most awesomest

Alchemist21 (3): Alchemist21, EspressoPatronum, RC most awesomest

Gamma Emerald (2): Gamma Emerald, RC most awesomest
RC most awesomest (2): RC most awesomest, Alchemist21

YOUAREGREAT (0):
Lil Uzi Vert (0):
Spangled (0):

Lynch:


Lil Uzi Vert (2): Gamma Emerald, EspressoPatronum
Spangled (1): RC most awesomest
Alchemist21 (1): Hectic
EspressoPatronum (1): Lil Uzi Vert
Hectic (1): YOUAREGREAT

Not Voting (3): NC 39, Spangled, Alchemist21

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to reach a majority.
Day one ends in (expired on 2019-09-12 18:00:00).
Serious question @LUV. You were the one who complained about the extension and with a little over 3 days to go, you arbitrarily shade us w/o giving any reasons, yet don’t propose your own coalition and this is concerning since RCMA correctly pointed out the extreme importance of the mechanic you are - for God knows what reasons - so dismissive of.
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Post Post #500 (isolation #66) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:46 pm

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In post 498, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 292, Spangled wrote:I have had a kind of weird scum-gut-read for a while on NC 39 because of occasionally abrasive interaction with me, but I looked over both my and their ISO and I’m pretty sure that I have been equally at fault in my abrasiveness — see my previous post for an example, actually, now that I think about it — toward them, and I feel like it’s a kind of semi-instinctive OMGUS that I should
probably
ignore.
In post 323, YOUAREGREAT wrote:not a fan of this post. so far, NC's gameplay feels like it's a lot of style over substance. he outs a lot of reads and fronts confidently but i don't really get the impression there's much of a genuine thought process behind his play. i like his pressure on alchemist, but it feels like he's too eager to catch him in a "gotcha" moment.

same with him writing off gamma's sr on him as "weak accusations". it feels like his default mode is defensive and afraid
Can you quote the posts, that gave you this feeling, so that I can address them?
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Post Post #502 (isolation #67) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:51 pm

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In post 215, RC most awesomest wrote:
this game is 100% a loss if we don't win d1. there is no chance that town doesn't end up turning on us if the coalition fails. we can't afford to have to use precious hours arguing
@LUV, thoughts on this.

LUV, I don’t care if you don’t want us in your coalition but I’m not at all happy that you don’t seem very interested in even having a coalition at all.
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Post Post #506 (isolation #68) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:55 pm

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We have just a little over 3 days and so far, we don’t have a consensus. How are we going to get 5 people aboard on the same 5 reads, if people aren’t willing to agree on any 5 slots?
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Post Post #509 (isolation #69) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:00 pm

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In post 503, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I can’t propose one because I wouldn’t have enough sufficient reasoning and I don’t even have 5 town reads. Alchemist, EP, and Spangled look like they’re game solving and genuinely have town best interest in mind but simply passing the eye test isn’t enough for me with how focused everyone is on a coalition.

I think RCMA emphasized that because he doesn’t have faith that this town is skilled enough in mountainous.
And you don’t agree? Why would you not want a coalition? Most games are won by town on D1, by getting it right. Don’t you see that having no coalition at all, only helps scum?

Even a failed coalition gives us information, where no coalition tells us absolutely nothing. How are you not seeing this?
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Post Post #512 (isolation #70) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:11 pm

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In post 507, Spangled wrote:
In post 496, NC 39 wrote:@Spangled, if you’re now tr LUV and since I was the one who first expressed concern over all of the sr on him, I really don’t understand your recent thought process on this.

Also @LUV are you planning on creating a coalition yourself and if so, who would you put into it.

I am not at all rigid wrt to my coalition choices but with the deadline close approaching, we need no less than 5 people to be in sync on 5 players.

I really don’t understand how you’re so solid on GREAT.

As for Gamma, ISO’d a few of their scumgames and I didn’t see this kind of re-evaluation in any of them. His play has been extremely baffling to me but that did read sincere to me, so I honestly don’t know what to think about it.

I really hope that RCMA aren’t repping out, we really need their input, so it’s so close to the deadline and it doesn’t look like we’re any closer to a consensus.

I know and am willing to change my coalition picks, in order to get it passed, because rn, it’s not looking like it’s even happening.
I don’t know how much of this is to me, but I’m just going to address everything except that which is explicitly to LUV.

LUV’s tone has changed for the better, now that he’s been
posting at all
— like I said somewhere, I get, and while being disinterested in a game is really not something I can understand on a person level, or relate to, (I’m not really not that jaded yet, fortunately), I can
understand
it.

I am... less solid on GREAT than I have been. I still townread them, though, for sure; I know I’ve towncased them, and cited said towncase fairly recently. I really cannot be bothered to link it right now, but it’s in my ISO fairly recently, and the link to it is yet more recent.
Their tone does seem sincere but so far, all they’ve done is state who they don’t want in their coalition, not who they do. I’m not sr that but him not wanting one is anti-town.

LUV seems to disagree with RCMA on mountainous but mountainous games are notoriously scumsided. That’s why this extremely pro-town mechanic exists in this game, I imagine - to balance that out.

I’m starting to understand RCMA’s apathy. What I don’t is why they’re not trying harder to make this happen. RC successfully led a town win on Witches Ball, so I’m legit concerned, that they are so frustrated, they have completely given up on this game.
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Post Post #514 (isolation #71) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:18 pm

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In post 511, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 509, NC 39 wrote:
In post 503, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I can’t propose one because I wouldn’t have enough sufficient reasoning and I don’t even have 5 town reads. Alchemist, EP, and Spangled look like they’re game solving and genuinely have town best interest in mind but simply passing the eye test isn’t enough for me with how focused everyone is on a coalition.

I think RCMA emphasized that because he doesn’t have faith that this town is skilled enough in mountainous.
And you don’t agree? Why would you not want a coalition? Most games are won by town on D1, by getting it right. Don’t you see that having no coalition at all, only helps scum?

Even a failed coalition gives us information, where no coalition tells us absolutely nothing. How are you not seeing this?
I think you’re misunderstanding. It’s not that I don’t want to vote or propose for one. I just don’t want to invest in one I don’t really believe in because I would feel bad if it failed.
I don’t want it to fail either but don’t you think a failed coalition > than no coalition at all?

If it - hopefully (assuming we can even get 5 consensus coalitions) does pass, then we win but even if it fails, we have info because we would know that one of the consenus 5 is scum, where as with no coalition getting passed, we forfeit that advantage.
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Post Post #515 (isolation #72) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:22 pm

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In post 513, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Of course they’re scum sided, I just don’t think that’s a worry for an RC that feels he can work with a town.
I’m not following this. Both of them have played this game before and I think nsg maybe even modded it? So, I think they have a pretty good understanding of this setup and having played it in a previous game, I 100% agree with them.
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Post Post #516 (isolation #73) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:35 pm

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In post 504, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Yeah it stems from RC tired of being fear scum read and gauging skill level. I’m not saying he’s wrong but I think if anyone else said that it would be ignored.
Oh sorry I missed that. I understand where he’s coming from but they are almost everyone’s top tr in this game. I’m not happy that GREAT has so far ignored everyone else’s nsg read, so I would prefer Alchemist/Gamma/LUV over GREAT. I’m not currently sr them but I don’t understand Spangled/LUV/Hectic’s confident tr on them.
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Post Post #530 (isolation #74) » Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:47 am

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In post 525, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 492, Spangled wrote:
In post 470, Alchemist21 wrote:The more it went on the more it seemed to me that NC 39/Gamma interaction was T/S. Gamma being willing to reconsider makes them look better but at this point I think I’m pretty confident in calling NC 39 Town.

HEAL: NC 39
Can you talk about this, Alchemist?
You say that NC 39/Gamma is t/s, but then that Gamma is looking better, but then that NC 39 is town? I don’t know about you, but that seems like a contradiction in terms. Am I missing something here?
It did look like Gamma was misrepping NC 39’s posts. I think the fact that Gamma backed off is a good look and could be Town willing to reconsider but it is possible that it was scum backing off because they realized it wasn’t doing anything but making themselves look worse.

And when I said Gamma is looking better I meant better than they were, not better than NC 39.
How are you currently reading GREAT, LUV? Tbf, GREAT hasn’t been online, since Gamma re-evaluation but I definitely thought it strange that LUV completely ignored it.
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Post Post #531 (isolation #75) » Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:04 am

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In post 527, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 496, NC 39 wrote:As for Gamma, ISO’d a few of their scumgames and I didn’t see this kind of re-evaluation in any of them. His play has been extremely baffling to me but that did read sincere to me, so I honestly don’t know what to think about it.
Which games did you read? EP asked for scumgames so I want to know if there might be some dark horse picks.
I briefly skimmed your ISO in Dunn’s large and Ircher’s mini, as well as 2 of your scumgames that I was in: CoH and PFUPs, so if you have re-evaluated as scum before, I didn’t find it in those games.

I didn’t reread YGM where you were town but I recall you were doing that quite a bit in that game. Maybe, you can elaborate more on your thought process wrt my posts.
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Post Post #532 (isolation #76) » Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:08 am

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This would really help me to correctly parse you because I do agree with Alchemist wrt to my feeling you were definitely misrepping some of my posts.
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Post Post #536 (isolation #77) » Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:36 am

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In post 534, Gamma Emerald wrote:Do you mean Dunn's mini and Ircher's large? I don't remember any large by Dunn.
Was that 323 or am I confusing that with the mini? Could be. :lol:
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Post Post #538 (isolation #78) » Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:56 am

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In post 537, Gamma Emerald wrote:The only Ircher mini I remember being involved in is one I was backup mod for also
I probably mixed them up.
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Post Post #543 (isolation #79) » Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:31 pm

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In post 540, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 530, NC 39 wrote:
In post 525, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 492, Spangled wrote:
In post 470, Alchemist21 wrote:The more it went on the more it seemed to me that NC 39/Gamma interaction was T/S. Gamma being willing to reconsider makes them look better but at this point I think I’m pretty confident in calling NC 39 Town.

HEAL: NC 39
Can you talk about this, Alchemist?
You say that NC 39/Gamma is t/s, but then that Gamma is looking better, but then that NC 39 is town? I don’t know about you, but that seems like a contradiction in terms. Am I missing something here?
It did look like Gamma was misrepping NC 39’s posts. I think the fact that Gamma backed off is a good look and could be Town willing to reconsider but it is possible that it was scum backing off because they realized it wasn’t doing anything but making themselves look worse.

And when I said Gamma is looking better I meant better than they were, not better than NC 39.
How are you currently reading GREAT, LUV? Tbf, GREAT hasn’t been online, since Gamma re-evaluation but I definitely thought it strange that LUV completely ignored it.
Great is null but I still don’t trust the wifom of their entrance.

I just made a post saying I’m Townreading LUV.
Yes, I realize. I just don’t understand their read progression on either me or Gamma and why he didn’t comment on his re-evaluation. How familiar are you with his play? The only game I was in with him, he didn’t post too much and repped out early iirc. He did come across as very natural, so I should probably take another look at his ISO.
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Post Post #544 (isolation #80) » Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:46 pm

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In post 542, YOUAREGREAT wrote:
In post 510, Spangled wrote:@GREAT
A readslist, please? And a coalition, maybe?
my readlist here still mostly stands:
In post 419, YOUAREGREAT wrote:after doing some cursory re-reading, my thoughts right now are:

spangled town

expresso town

gamma null-leaning town

alchemist null

RC null

LUV null-leaning scum

NC leaning-mafia

hectic mafia

i'm happy to discuss any of these reads, but i don't have the energy right now to explain all of them at once. they're subject to change, too.
but in particular, i'm feeling that it's not likely for NC and hectic to both be scum here. i'm thinking of replacing NC with alchemist on my list.

in addition, i think that LUV is most likely town now. i take back my leaning-scum read on him.

without having done too much re-reading, my coalition would look like this right now:

spangled, expresso, gamma, LUV, and RC (but i'm reluctant about RC)
Okay, I will grant LUV a but of a pass but now that GREAT has checked in, why no mention of Gamma’s re-evaluation? Because, it’s pretty much what Alchemist, Gamma and me have been discussing for the last few posts.

@GREAT, considering I was the one to draw attention to suspicious number of sr on LUV and especially in YOUR case, since you acknowledged mindmelding with me on that, how am I still a scumlean for you? Or am I a null for you, rn? I’m confused. I also don’t understand what your read on me has jack to do with Hecking. Can you please explain why your read on my slot is connected to him in any way?

And you seem very solid on Gamma and given that he has now acknowledged that he did in fact, misrep some of my posts, due to his issues with Nero, how doesn’t that impact your read on my slot in the slightest?

I’m not really liking the fact that this is having no impact on your read on me but you’re nullreading me solely because of Hectic?
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Post Post #545 (isolation #81) » Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:15 pm

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In post 434, YOUAREGREAT wrote:
In post 405, NC 39 wrote:
In post 384, Hectic wrote:
In post 352, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 206, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 202, RC most awesomest wrote:sky give extension

-nsg
This plz
The short deadline kinda makes forming a decent coalition hard. Even if we just get an extended D1 deadline I'll be happy
The bitching about the deadline is annoying. The coalition is not isn’t the be all end all. I’d be pissed as scum right now if Sky granted this.
this feels towny as well unless LUV is transparent enough as scum to show outrage at something like this
I’m not impressed by his underestimating of the value of the coalition or his RCMA tr, Had he given it at the time I asked him or earlier, I’d feel better about it. However, it’s slightly concerning to me that LUV seems to be sr by almost everyone but RCMA.
i actually agree with your thoughts on LUV, which is why i've backed off my scumread on him a bit. he had a few posts that pinged me as scummy but i feel like he's an easy target and is essentially mislynch bait right now.

as for why i null-read RC and scumread hectic, i just explained.
In post 542, YOUAREGREAT wrote:
In post 510, Spangled wrote:@GREAT
A readslist, please? And a coalition, maybe?
my readlist here still mostly stands:
In post 419, YOUAREGREAT wrote:after doing some cursory re-reading, my thoughts right now are:

spangled town

expresso town

gamma null-leaning town

alchemist null

RC null

LUV null-leaning scum

NC leaning-mafia

hectic mafia

i'm happy to discuss any of these reads, but i don't have the energy right now to explain all of them at once. they're subject to change, too.
but in particular, i'm feeling that it's not likely for NC and hectic to both be scum here. i'm thinking of replacing NC with alchemist on my list.

in addition, i think that LUV is most likely town now. i take back my leaning-scum read on him.

without having done too much re-reading, my coalition would look like this right now:

spangled, expresso, gamma, LUV, and RC (but i'm reluctant about RC)
I will probably try to be more concise in my analysis of both of these posts but I don’t have time rn.

I think that based on 434 and Gamma’s re-evaluation, I find you nullreading me based on Hectic as opposed to this, concerning.
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Post Post #546 (isolation #82) » Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:31 pm

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In post 542, YOUAREGREAT wrote:without having done too much re-reading, my coalition would look like this right now:

spangled, expresso, gamma, LUV, and RC (but i'm reluctant about RC)
Why aren’t you putting yourself into your own coalition?

Hectic, your #1 sr only did that AFTER some other players expressed possible objections to him being in it but only Alchemist and myself are the only ones actually, taking issue with your being in it. Considering the fact that you’re now apparently sr Alchemist and only nullreading me because of Hectic, why would you exclude yourself?
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Post Post #562 (isolation #83) » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:35 am

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In post 548, RC most awesomest wrote:HEAL: luv

i think is a townpost

-nsg
In post 533, Skygazer wrote:
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Mod notes: Prodding RC most awesomest and YOUAREGREAT


Coalitions:

Hectic (5): EspressoPatronum, Hectic, NC 39, RC most awesomest, Spangled
EspressoPatronum (5): EspressoPatronum, Hectic, NC 39, RC most awesomest, Spangled
NC 39 (5): EspressoPatronum, Hectic, NC 39, RC most awesomest, Spangled
Spangled (5): EspressoPatronum, NC 39, RC most awesomest, Spangled, YOUAREGREAT

Alchemist21 (4): Alchemist21, EspressoPatronum, NC 39, RC most awesomest

Gamma Emerald (2): Gamma Emerald, RC most awesomest
RC most awesomest (2): RC most awesomest, Alchemist21

YOUAREGREAT (0):
Lil Uzi Vert (0):

Lynch:


Lil Uzi Vert (2): Gamma Emerald, EspressoPatronum
Hectic (2): YOUAREGREAT, Spangled
Spangled (1): RC most awesomest
Alchemist21 (1): Hectic

EspressoPatronum (1): Lil Uzi Vert

Not Voting (2): NC 39, Alchemist21

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to reach a majority. Day one ends in (expired on 2019-09-12 18:00:00).
But why is he still voting Espresso?

Like wtf?
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Post Post #563 (isolation #84) » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:36 am

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In post 549, RC most awesomest wrote:no reason for spangled to be in anyones coalition

-nsg
Other than the whole Oversoul thing, do you have any other reasons?
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Post Post #565 (isolation #85) » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:49 am

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In post 564, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:You might wanna read that game NC 39.
Are you now agreeing with nsg on Spangled?

And can you explain your Espresso vote? Didn’t you say you thought he was solving?
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Post Post #566 (isolation #86) » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:54 am

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In post 208, RC most awesomest wrote:
In post 123, RadiantCowbells wrote:Oversoul was throwing in questions in a way that was pretty safe and common for scum to do, perpetual gather info mode without taking a meaningful stance. Not lockscum but definitely +scum.
In post 125, Commie Catgirl Coalition wrote:oversoul's questions make perfect sense from a town perspective and i'm struggling to see why you think theyre specifically "safe" questions scum would ask.
In post 1220, northsidegal wrote:
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Post Post #569 (isolation #87) » Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:48 am

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I’m not sr Hecking but it doesn’t look like my coalition will pass. Especially with nsg now not including him, so

HURT: Hecking

Sorry man.

HEAL: Alchemist
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Post Post #570 (isolation #88) » Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:04 am

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@nsg , do you have any read on Hecking at all? I think he’s the only one you haven’t given a read on.
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Post Post #571 (isolation #89) » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:54 am

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In post 564, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:You might wanna read that game NC 39.
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quote="In post 566, NC 39"]
In post 208, RC most awesomest wrote:
In post 123, RadiantCowbells wrote:Oversoul was throwing in questions in a way that was pretty safe and common for scum to do, perpetual gather info mode without taking a meaningful stance. Not lockscum but definitely +scum.
In post 125, Commie Catgirl Coalition wrote:oversoul's questions make perfect sense from a town perspective and i'm struggling to see why you think theyre specifically "safe" questions scum would ask.
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Okay, just did a brief ISO on Espresso and I still think he’s town. Nsg mindmelding with me on that also makes me feel pretty solid about him. I’m also liking your most recent posting more and think she may also be right on you. I think you’re posting similar to that Oversoul game. I ISO’d his posts and I’m understanding better where she’s coming from.
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Post Post #573 (isolation #90) » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:18 am

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In post 568, Alchemist21 wrote:@LUV You really need to start making some Coalition votes. You might not like the setup but mechanically it takes priority over the lynch.
+1

Also goes for GREAT. We have a little over 2 days and not everyone has voted a full coalition. In Skitter’s game, we were much further along by this point.
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Post Post #596 (isolation #91) » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:50 am

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*sigh* Alright, so.

HURT: Spangled

HEAL: LUV
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Post Post #607 (isolation #92) » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:04 pm

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In post 597, YOUAREGREAT wrote:@NC
i didn't clarify it very well in my catch-up post, but i'm starting to feel that you are town. i think your evaluation of LUV's alignment was solid and well-articulated, and i think my initial evaluation of your play was too harsh. on top of that, your interaction with hectic made me feel like it wasn't likely you were teamed. since hectic is my top scumread, that's another reason why i'm changing my read on you.
In post 552, RC most awesomest wrote:@youaregreat

we have a pretty good amount of overlap in our coalitions. why should i townread you

-nsg
a better question would be: do you have any reason to think that i'm not town?
While this is definitely better, it kind of concerned me that your read on me was in anyway linked to Hectic. I liked his reaction to being dumped from the coalition but I can understand that’s not enough to justify keeping him in it.
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Post Post #608 (isolation #93) » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:07 pm

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In post 598, YOUAREGREAT wrote:HEAL: LUV, Gamma Emerald, Spangled, Expresso, YOUAREGREAT
You’re not tr RCMA? Like if they were scum here, you’d see RC continue to post and nsg flake.
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Post Post #609 (isolation #94) » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:08 pm

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In post 602, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 601, RC most awesomest wrote:HURT: alchemist
HEAL: nc39
What’s the reason for this swap?
I’d like to know that too.
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Post Post #610 (isolation #95) » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:14 pm

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In post 572, Skygazer wrote:
VC 1.14


Coalitions:

Hectic (5): EspressoPatronum, Hectic, NC 39, RC most awesomest, Spangled
EspressoPatronum (5): EspressoPatronum, Hectic, NC 39, RC most awesomest, Spangled
NC 39 (5): Alchemist21, EspressoPatronum, NC 39, RC most awesomest, Spangled
Spangled (5): EspressoPatronum, NC 39, RC most awesomest, Spangled, YOUAREGREAT

Alchemist21 (4): Alchemist21, EspressoPatronum, NC 39, RC most awesomest
RC most awesomest (4): Alchemist21, EspressoPatronum, Lil Uzi Vert, RC most awesomest

Gamma Emerald (2): Gamma Emerald, RC most awesomest

YOUAREGREAT (0):
Lil Uzi Vert (0):

Lynch:


Lil Uzi Vert (2): Gamma Emerald, EspressoPatronum
Hectic (2): YOUAREGREAT, Spangled
Spangled (1): RC most awesomest
Alchemist21 (1): Hectic
EspressoPatronum (1): Lil Uzi Vert

Not Voting (2): NC 39, Alchemist21

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to reach a majority.
Day one ends in (expired on 2019-09-12 18:00:00).
Holy fuck, we better get this settled.
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Post Post #611 (isolation #96) » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:38 pm

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In post 606, EspressoPatronum wrote:HURT: everyone

HEAL: Espresso, NC, RCMA, LUV, Gamma
I’m still tr Alchemist but but having no consensus coalition is proscum. @nsg, I want a reason for your 180 because I think removing Alchemist is a mistake but there isn’t enough time left to fight you, so I’ll sheep this.

I swear if anyone wants to remove Espresso, I’m seriously giving up on this game.

HURT: Alchemist

HEAL: Gamma

@nsg, are you ever planning to answer my Hecking question?

How is it that you have a read on everyone else but him?
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Post Post #619 (isolation #97) » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:34 pm

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In post 616, Spangled wrote:Is there a reason we’re all ignoring lynching?
You and GREAT are both practically chomping at the bit to string up Hecking. I don’t sr Hecking and neither does Espresso. Who else are either of you sr rn?

I mean, you even have a post, trying to determine his buddy - before the dude’s even flipped.

We only get a finite number of mislynches, I read in one of the linked games, that’s 3, that’s why I’m tr Alchemist, he has the correct focus - on coalition > lynching.

You should be far more concerned with the level of towniess of the coalition. What is your opinion on the NC/Espresso/RC/ Gamma/LUV coalition? If you’re tr both GREAT and me, why is it my slot in particular you’d want to switch?
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Post Post #622 (isolation #98) » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:51 pm

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I’ve been back on forth on Hectic the entire game and wasn’t too happy when Nero added him
to the coalition without consulting me but I read his post post being dumped from the coalition as super townie. While he clearly was unhappy about it, that unhappiness seemed to be more about being sad for not being tr, rather than scum being desperate and survivalistic.

Wrt to GREAT, I honestly don’t know what to make of her. I know I really hated her 1st catchup, the current one was a bit better but meh? I’ve never played this setup past D1 and I recall most of the players in Skitter’s game, completely ignoring the lynch altogether. I’m very frustrated with nsg. She makes reads without ever explaining them, which would be really helpful.

Why did she swap me and Alchemist? I have absolutely no clue. This is probably setup realated since she was a lot more forthcoming in other games she’s been in.
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Post Post #642 (isolation #99) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:06 am

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In post 638, Alchemist21 wrote:And NOW we have a problem.

3 people outside of the Coalition voting for it is a red flag.

HURT: Gamma

HEAL: Alchemist21
Who’s the 3rd?
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Post Post #643 (isolation #100) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:07 am

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In post 640, Gamma Emerald wrote:Did we decide the coalition yet
In post 641, Gamma Emerald wrote:Looks like the answer is no
In post 636, Alchemist21 wrote:The currently proposed names are RC, NC 39, LUV, Espresso, and Gamma.
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Post Post #645 (isolation #101) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:09 am

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In post 629, EspressoPatronum wrote:VOTE: Gamma

I'm happy with either Gamma or LUV in the event of a failed coalition.
In post 634, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 627, EspressoPatronum wrote:@nsg I trust Hectic to help make the coalition happen, so I'm counting him as a 4th vote to back this coalition.
Also you should not trust this. The rest of the votes should come from the members of the Coalition.

The way it’s going, if this is a winning Coalition then the scumteam has to be Hectic/Great and you should not be trusting either to vote it in.
@Espresso, I don’t understand your thinking here, who we should obviously vote for is who is most likely to be scum, and that should be someone we obviously didn’t find townie enough to be in the coalition in the first place. Because even if coalition were to fail, there’s still 2 scum in this game and odds are both are not in this coalition, so

VOTE: GREAT

If coalition doesn’t pass, then we vote inside the coalition but today we vote who in this game is most likely to be scum and I don’t think it’s Hectic.
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Post Post #655 (isolation #102) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:26 am

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In post 647, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 616, Spangled wrote:Is there a reason we’re all ignoring lynching?
1) if we win by coalition no lynching needed
2) lynching before making a coalition nulls that part of the setup
I don’t understand this unless you think we don’t have enough info to determine that? However, whatever happens with the coalition, if we lynch today, it should definitely be outside the coalition.

So no, it only defeats the purpose if we lynch inside the coalition today, which is why I don’t understand where Espresso is coming from here.

So, that would be Spangled/Hectic/GREAT/Alchemist. Of those, GREAT makes the most sense, since she has been my weakest read this entire game.
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Post Post #658 (isolation #103) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:30 am

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In post 649, Hectic wrote:
In post 569, NC 39 wrote:I’m not sr Hecking but it doesn’t look like my coalition will pass. Especially with nsg now not including him, so

HURT: Hecking

Sorry man.

HEAL: Alchemist
lul stop calling me hecking

would like to hear some explanation from nsg for why i'm still null or scum, though maybe i'll see some in the next few pages
Oops sorry. :oops:
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Post Post #659 (isolation #104) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:40 am

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In post 653, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 639, Hectic wrote:
In post 638, Alchemist21 wrote:And NOW we have a problem.

3 people outside of the Coalition voting for it is a red flag.

HURT: Gamma

HEAL: Alchemist21
huh now this feels like an overreaction considering i said i'm just voting this temporarily in case people think i wouldn't come online in time to vote one through

better to try a coalition than none at all

Alchemist using this as reasoning for trying to slip himself in?

anyway got some time so catchup begins now
I was already in it before people started putting in Gamma.

I took myself out to add Gamma because of deadline.

And it’s simple logic that if 3 people outside the Coalition are ok with it then scum is in the Coalition.
You’re right but are you considering the possibility that this is scum WIFOM to make us question the coalition at this late date?

How can you be certain that scum can’t pull a last minute bait and switch?

Iow, how do you know that scum is really onboard with this and wants to derail it?

You could definitely be right but I’ve seen clever scum pull this kind of stunt when it’s too late to do anything about it.

Maybe that’s tin foil but I don’t think we should totally write that off either.
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Post Post #660 (isolation #105) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:42 am

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Edit: doesn’t want to derail it.

That would be the best scenario for scum, to have no coalition whatsoever.
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Post Post #662 (isolation #106) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:46 am

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In post 656, Hectic wrote:changed my mind on Great, i think i'd do the following:

Hectic>RCMA>NC 39>Espresso>LUV>Gamma>Spangled>Great>Alchemist

don't judge me too much on the ordering please

and yes, i'm reluctant on LUV and can see his actions coming from both alignments but i don't know what to think of Gamma and people seem to like LUV
I’m not sold on him but I don’t have much experience playing with him and he could very well be disengaged town.
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Post Post #663 (isolation #107) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:48 am

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In post 657, Hectic wrote:HURT: ALL
HEAL: Hectic, NC 39, Espresso, LUV, RCMA
will sub myself out for Gamma if required
What are you doing? Why not Alchemist or Spangled?
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Post Post #664 (isolation #108) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:50 am

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UNVOTE:

I don’t know anymore. I was tr Hectic but would he really be this ballsy as scum?
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Post Post #667 (isolation #109) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:03 am

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In post 647, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 616, Spangled wrote:Is there a reason we’re all ignoring lynching?
1) if we win by coalition no lynching needed
2) lynching before making a coalition nulls that part of the setup
I’m tl this post, so I think we should either leave the coalition the way it is or remove someone else, maybe LUV?

Because is it really best to risk one out of our 3 possible mislynches when coalition either succeeds or we have more info the next day? I don’t know.

I think if we do lynch today, it should be outside coalition but rn I don’t know if GREAT or Hectic is the best option but if I vote, it’s probably between them.

I don’t like how Hectic subbed himself in for Gamma right after voting the coalition.

If we lynch, I am opposed to lynching outside of GREAT/HECTIC today.
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Post Post #671 (isolation #110) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:10 am

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In post 666, EspressoPatronum wrote:Assuming we pass a coalition and it fails, nobody should be voting to lynch outside of the 5 coalition members.
Why not? IF coalition fails - unless you think there’s two scum in it - unlikely. So, for today and today only, IF we lynch, it makes the most sense to lynch amongst the two scummiest players NOT in coalition. It was definitely GREAT for me, until Hectic decided to sub himself for Gamma pretty much immediately after voting the coalition.
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Post Post #672 (isolation #111) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:14 am

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In post 668, EspressoPatronum wrote:@NC read the quoted modpost at
I think you gave me the wrong link, that’s just the playerlist.
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Post Post #678 (isolation #112) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:22 am

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In post 670, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 651, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 642, NC 39 wrote:
In post 638, Alchemist21 wrote:And NOW we have a problem.

3 people outside of the Coalition voting for it is a red flag.

HURT: Gamma

HEAL: Alchemist21
Who’s the 3rd?
Spangled
Spangled has GREAT in his. It isn't the same.
Okay, that’s a relief then. I think this is probably a winning coalition then. And you were the only one outside the coalition voting it, so I think it plus you is probably alltown. If we do add you, I would probably sub out LUV over Gamma, since I’m liking his recent posting.
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Post Post #686 (isolation #113) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:45 am

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In post 679, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 678, NC 39 wrote:
In post 670, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 651, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 642, NC 39 wrote:
In post 638, Alchemist21 wrote:And NOW we have a problem.

3 people outside of the Coalition voting for it is a red flag.

HURT: Gamma

HEAL: Alchemist21
Who’s the 3rd?
Spangled
Spangled has GREAT in his. It isn't the same.
Okay, that’s a relief then. I think this is probably a winning coalition then. And you were the only one outside the coalition voting it, so I think it plus you is probably alltown. If we do add you, I would probably sub out LUV over Gamma, since I’m liking his recent posting.
This unfortunately comes after me establishing that we should vote within the coalition.

While I still believe you're town, I think I'd rather keep it {RCMA, LUV, Gamma, Espresso, NC}
in the event that scum!NC tries to get 2 scum out of the coalition.
???

There are only 2 scum in this game.
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Post Post #710 (isolation #114) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:39 am

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In post 688, Skygazer wrote:
VC 1.17


Mod note:
The coalition of [
EspressoPatronum, Gamma Emerald, Lil Uzi Vert, NC 39, RC most awesomest
] has failed!
Fuck
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Post Post #711 (isolation #115) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:43 am

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In post 707, RC most awesomest wrote:that coalition contained two slots i hard vetoed being in the coalition, btw.
In post 708, RC most awesomest wrote:
if you're not voting EP or NC39 you're gamethrowing.
In post 624, RC most awesomest wrote:
In post 611, NC 39 wrote:@nsg, are you ever planning to answer my Hecking question?

How is it that you have a read on everyone else but him?
shrug

i guess he's just the most null to me.
In post 621, Spangled wrote:Or even if you don’t want to talk to me about that you could at least try and engage with me rather than levelling of a few sarcastic posts my way and otherwise ignoring me. I do not get why you’re doing this, especially as you’ve admitted you’ve been ‘confbiasing’ toward scum!me.
i'm not trying to be sarcastic towards you, sorry if that's how i'm coming across.

ideally we win today and the whole point is moot. if that doesn't happen i'll try to be a bit more wordy.
In post 622, NC 39 wrote:I’m very frustrated with nsg. She makes reads without ever explaining them, which would be really helpful.

Why did she swap me and Alchemist?
I have absolutely no clue. This is probably setup realated since she was a lot more forthcoming in other games she’s been in.
that was RC, not me
. (i'm still signing my posts)

-nsg
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Post Post #712 (isolation #116) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:44 am

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RC, I swear if you’re scum here, I will be seriously pissed at you.
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Post Post #714 (isolation #117) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:46 am

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Like no, I’m obviously not going to be voting for one of my strongest tr. :roll:
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Post Post #717 (isolation #118) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:49 am

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In post 711, NC 39 wrote:
In post 707, RC most awesomest wrote:that coalition contained two slots i hard vetoed being in the coalition, btw.
In post 708, RC most awesomest wrote:
if you're not voting EP or NC39 you're gamethrowing.
In post 624, RC most awesomest wrote:
In post 611, NC 39 wrote:@nsg, are you ever planning to answer my Hecking question?

How is it that you have a read on everyone else but him?
shrug

i guess he's just the most null to me.
In post 621, Spangled wrote:Or even if you don’t want to talk to me about that you could at least try and engage with me rather than levelling of a few sarcastic posts my way and otherwise ignoring me. I do not get why you’re doing this, especially as you’ve admitted you’ve been ‘confbiasing’ toward scum!me.
i'm not trying to be sarcastic towards you, sorry if that's how i'm coming across.

ideally we win today and the whole point is moot. if that doesn't happen i'll try to be a bit more wordy.
In post 622, NC 39 wrote:I’m very frustrated with nsg. She makes reads without ever explaining them, which would be really helpful.

Why did she swap me and Alchemist?
I have absolutely no clue. This is probably setup realated since she was a lot more forthcoming in other games she’s been in.
that was RC, not me
. (i'm still signing my posts)

-nsg
@RC, you had better fucking explain this.
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Post Post #718 (isolation #119) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:50 am

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In post 716, Hectic wrote:@RC: what's your case on NC 39? did i miss why you're scumreading them?
nsg said it was RC not her who swapped Alchemist with me. Now, after it fails, he claims he vetoed me and I’m scum?
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Post Post #719 (isolation #120) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:51 am

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@ Nancy

RC isn't scum, just very very bad.
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Post Post #720 (isolation #121) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:53 am

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If I’ve been wrong on RC this whole time, then I’m probably wrong on GREAT too. This really sucks. :/
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Post Post #722 (isolation #122) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:03 am

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In post 719, NC 39 wrote:
@ Nancy

RC isn't scum, just very very bad.
Are you suggesting that at the ripe age of 25, he’s suddenly come down with Alzheimers?

I don’t know rn, whether to be more pissed if he’s scum trying to mislynch me or why he would put me into the coalition in the first place, then blame me for it’s failing.

That’s why I wanted Alchemist over LUV, because I didn’t feel confident enough in his being town.

But Gamma’s most recent posting looked good, so yeah, I do now get your point. @Espresso.

I think I probably misunderstood the mechanic. I thought it was whack for us to lynch anyone before knowing whether or not, coalition would pass. I obviously get it now.
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Post Post #724 (isolation #123) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:49 am

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In post 211, RC most awesomest wrote:HEAL: Alchemist

-nsg
In post 212, RC most awesomest wrote:VOTE: Spangled

-nsg
In post 596, NC 39 wrote:*sigh* Alright, so.

HURT: Spangled

HEAL: LUV
In post 601, RC most awesomest wrote:HURT: alchemist
HEAL: nc39
In post 624, RC most awesomest wrote:
In post 611, NC 39 wrote:
Why did she swap me and Alchemist?
I have absolutely no clue. This is probably setup realated since she was a lot more forthcoming in other games she’s been in.
that was RC, not me. (i'm still signing my posts)

-nsg
In post 707, RC most awesomest wrote:that coalition contained two slots i hard vetoed being in the coalition, btw.
In post 708, RC most awesomest wrote:
if you're not voting EP or NC39 you're gamethrowing.
In post 714, NC 39 wrote:Like no, I’m obviously not going to be voting for one of my strongest tr. :roll:
In post 715, RC most awesomest wrote:VOTE: NC39

bye
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Post Post #725 (isolation #124) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:54 am

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Anyone want to take bets that if I was insane enough to vote Espresso, RC would probably locktown me for it?
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Post Post #728 (isolation #125) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:13 am

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But he wasn’t in the coalition and we know it failed, so even if he’s scum, his buddy still would have to be in the coalition.
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Post Post #740 (isolation #126) » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:22 am

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In post 732, Spangled wrote:
In post 730, RC most awesomest wrote:maybe I should be voting EP
@NC 39
Any reason you’re not voting?
I could ask you the exact same question. You haven’t voted either. Only RC and Alchemist have. We have 6+ days and I’d rather not mislynch.
In post 732, Spangled wrote: Any reason
you’re
not voting?
I’m trying to determine why the coalition failed and my weakest reads inside the coalition - where we ought to be focusing our energies today, don’t you agree? - are LUV/Gamma.

I liked Gamma’s posting just prior to the coalition hammer, so rn I lean LUV but I don’t even think he’s posted yet. GREAT hasn’t either, so that makes this harder.
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Post Post #741 (isolation #127) » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:29 am

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In post 737, Spangled wrote:NC 39 was the first person/people/entity in the game to point out nsg’s scum-meta... It could be scum looking for townpoints but I don’t feel that...
More generally I really feel like they’re trying to gamesolve/sort; I can find some posts but there are 12 hours or something and I need to find some scumreads so I’m just taking them off the table for now.

@NC 39/Nancy(?)
Do you still believe what you said in the post below?
In post 671, NC 39 wrote:
In post 666, EspressoPatronum wrote:Assuming we pass a coalition and it fails, nobody should be voting to lynch outside of the 5 coalition members.
Why not? IF coalition fails - unless you think there’s two scum in it - unlikely. So, for today and today only, IF we lynch, it makes the most sense to lynch amongst the two scummiest players NOT in coalition. It was definitely GREAT for me, until Hectic decided to sub himself for Gamma pretty much immediately after voting the coalition.
:lol: No of course not. I clearly misunderstood the mechanic. In the game I played we won D1 - well before RAS fucked it all up anyway, so I thought we had to decide the lynch before we knew whether or not the coalition passed or not.

Now that we know that there is at least one scum inside the coalition, I think it’s obvious we keep lynching in there, until we catch them, because to do anything else is stupid.
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Post Post #746 (isolation #128) » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:37 am

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In post 738, Spangled wrote:
In post 523, EspressoPatronum wrote:@Spamgled
I won't have time to address your questions point by point until later tonight. Will get to it then.

Some quick notes:
- the formality of some of my posts is perhaps due to my area of study + work. Some of those posts you linked look like the way I structure some emails.
- the paranoia is normal. Almost every player in nsg's game was convinced the coalition would fail + were thus paranoid. (*remind me later to find the scum pairings post by Almost50 -- we may be able to use his logic here).
Honestly conflicted feelings on EP.
He did some stuff early game, but lately there’s been a lot less activity etc.
He does a lot of info-gathering early game... AI? Mystery — yes, (after-game-)coincidence — maybe, hotel? Trivago.
I also think he had first tr on Hectic? I like his progression on Hectic early-ish game but there hasn’t been much since...?
I don’t really want him lynched today, but the feeling is a lot less strong than on NC, actually, weirdly enough.
I’m not the reason the coalition failed. Why do you think Espresso over LUV/Gamma?
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Post Post #747 (isolation #129) » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:43 am

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In post 743, Spangled wrote:@NC 39
We have 10 hours to find a lynch; this doesn’t run double day; the timer doesn’t reset.
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Day phases will last 7 days
(or until a lynch is achieved).
No, you’re wrong.

We have 6+ days, so I’m not rushing a lynch before everyone has even posted - especially LUV. If he looks to be flaking, I’ll obviously have to reconsider.
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Post Post #751 (isolation #130) » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:48 am

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In post 749, Spangled wrote:
In post 688, Skygazer wrote:
VC 1.17


Mod note:
The coalition of [
EspressoPatronum, Gamma Emerald, Lil Uzi Vert, NC 39, RC most awesomest
] has failed!

Hectic (2): YOUAREGREAT, Spangled
Lil Uzi Vert (2): Gamma Emerald, EspressoPatronum
Spangled (1): RC most awesomest
Alchemist21 (1): Hectic
EspressoPatronum (1): Lil Uzi Vert

Not Voting (2): Alchemist21, NC 39

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to reach a majority.
Day one ends in (expired on 2019-09-12 18:00:00).
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Underline mine.
Both coalition and lynch must happen in ‘day phase’ one.
Oh really?
@Sky, I think we need more time. Not everyone has even posted yet. Any chance we can get an extension?
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Post Post #753 (isolation #131) » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:49 am

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I mean since coalition failed. We need reactions, especially from LUV.
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Post Post #756 (isolation #132) » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:54 am

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I mean Sky hasn’t even posted an updated vote count yet. I think we lose if we don’t get an extension.:/

We need 5 votes for a majority. How the fuck is that even going to happen in the next 10 hours?

Sky, please, we’re probably going to no lynch if you don’t give an extension.


I thought we had another 7 days to figure this out.
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Post Post #757 (isolation #133) » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:58 am

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In post 750, Spangled wrote:
In post 746, NC 39 wrote:
In post 738, Spangled wrote:
In post 523, EspressoPatronum wrote:@Spamgled
I won't have time to address your questions point by point until later tonight. Will get to it then.

Some quick notes:
- the formality of some of my posts is perhaps due to my area of study + work. Some of those posts you linked look like the way I structure some emails.
- the paranoia is normal. Almost every player in nsg's game was convinced the coalition would fail + were thus paranoid. (*remind me later to find the scum pairings post by Almost50 -- we may be able to use his logic here).
Honestly conflicted feelings on EP.
He did some stuff early game, but lately there’s been a lot less activity etc.
He does a lot of info-gathering early game... AI? Mystery — yes, (after-game-)coincidence — maybe, hotel? Trivago.
I also think he had first tr on Hectic? I like his progression on Hectic early-ish game but there hasn’t been much since...?
I don’t really want him lynched today, but the feeling is a lot less strong than on NC, actually, weirdly enough.
I’m not the reason the coalition failed. Why do you think Espresso over LUV/Gamma?
I... what?
I think I must have been unclear on that last sentence. What I meant was: ‘I don’t want EP lynched today, but that feeling [not lynching here today] is stronger on NC 39, which is the opposite of how it’s been most of today’.
Maybe that still doesn’t make sense, but NC>EP for not-lynching, is what I’m saying.
Oh I see, that makes a lot more sense.
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Post Post #758 (isolation #134) » Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:06 am

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In post 751, NC 39 wrote:
In post 749, Spangled wrote:
In post 688, Skygazer wrote:
VC 1.17


Mod note:
The coalition of [
EspressoPatronum, Gamma Emerald, Lil Uzi Vert, NC 39, RC most awesomest
] has failed!

Hectic (2): YOUAREGREAT, Spangled
Lil Uzi Vert (2): Gamma Emerald, EspressoPatronum
Spangled (1): RC most awesomest
Alchemist21 (1): Hectic
EspressoPatronum (1): Lil Uzi Vert

Not Voting (2): Alchemist21, NC 39

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to reach a majority.
Day one ends in (expired on 2019-09-12 18:00:00).
[/u]
Underline mine.
Both coalition and lynch must happen in ‘day phase’ one.
Oh really?
@Sky, I think we need more time. Not everyone has even posted yet. Any chance we can get an extension?

So updated VC has RC on me, and you and Alchemist on Gamma.

So, hopefully we get an extension. So we have until 6:00pm.
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Post Post #759 (isolation #135) » Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:23 am

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In post 754, Spangled wrote:@NC 39
Thoughts on Gamma and my case on him?
Wrt 122 and 126, I don’t really understand the connection. I do see your case, which is why my vote will almost certainly be between those two. Fortunately, I will be online before deadline. I still would prefer if Sky extends it though.

I want to get more thoughts on this before I make up my mind. I especially hope LUV will post before deadline. I would really like to feel more confident in my vote.
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Post Post #767 (isolation #136) » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:51 am

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In post 765, Hectic wrote:and yes, i still don't like Alchemist but clearly no one else wants to lynch him today

his response to me earlier was a whole lot of "oh, i wouldn't do this is i was scum" which is LAMIST? and pretty bad
No one - who isn’t gamethrowing - wants to lynch outside of FAILED coalition.
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Post Post #770 (isolation #137) » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:54 am

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In post 764, EspressoPatronum wrote:We're down to 8 hours. My vote is on LUV, but I could go for Gamma as well.

I will check in occasionally over the next few hours + will swap my vote as needed to achieve a lynch.
Same. It’s really so frustrating with so many non-active players. I don’t know why some people even sign up for these games.

@Sky, is it possible to prod LUV and YOUAREGREAT?
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Post Post #834 (isolation #138) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:41 am

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In post 774, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I think limiting the lynch pool solely to those who were in the failed coalition is more likely to lead to a town loss.
Can you elaborate on this?
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Post Post #835 (isolation #139) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:01 am

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In post 777, EspressoPatronum wrote:
NC-LUV

- NC clearly didn't understand the purpose of voting within the coalition
, so it's possible they would try to put both scum in the coalition + try convincing people to vote outside of it.
I think you’ve completely misunderstood what I did and didn’t understand about the mechanics of this game. As I have already explained, the ONLY thing I was confused about, was the
timing
of the finalizing of the lynch part of it.

I played this game before as well as GS, so I totally do understand how coalitions work but we won D1 (or so I thought) in Skitter’s game, so the lynch part of that, never came into play and in GS, we voted coalitions and lynches on SEPARATE days, not
simultaneously
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So, what I had understood, was that any lynch would obviously be voided in case of coalition pass but I thought, we had to have decided on it, BEFORE we knew the outcome of the coalition and then we were suddenly expected to rush the vote, before we had any real info to process - coalition result . Thank God, Sky granted us an extension.

I hope you are now clear on this?
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Post Post #839 (isolation #140) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:13 am

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Rush the vote while we were still deciding on the coalition and after it failed, only 10 hours. We vote a coalition of who we think are the towniest players and we’re suddenly supposed to make an informed decision in under 10 hours? No lynches are bad for town but preventable - rushed decisions due to insufficient amount of time - are much much worse. I did check back before 6 without knowing for sure who I was going to vote for. I am so relieved I actually have time now to think about it.
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Post Post #840 (isolation #141) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:21 am

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In post 785, RC most awesomest wrote:I stopped playing this game because you guys talk about the game and play the game like everyone thinks you're hot fucking shit when in reality you haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about
I don't think the concepts of

not trying to policy lynch a slot that I'm in
not ignoring the reads of the strongest town player in this game (debatable wrt NSG but she's in my slot so)
not going out of your way to shit up the game for me in a way that's going to screw over both my investment and my capacity to generate good reads

really if any of you are town what exactly is it that you think is going to happen?

it has taken absolutely ridiculous levels of awful for town to lose games that i've been in this year and you guys managed to throw the coalition and no lynch

sorry, when you guys failed the coalition and can't get a lynch through before the deadline the play isn't to hyperscrutinize my actions

you can't get a fucking lynch through, you don't stand a snowballs chance in hell if i'm scum

so
FUCK OFF
I already thought nsg was super townie but this is 100% town RC. In GS, scum!RC just did nothing while town ultimately cannibalized itself.
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Post Post #841 (isolation #142) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:23 am

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In post 792, YOUAREGREAT wrote:typo. my real lynchpool is hectic/expresso/alchemist21
Glad you clarified that. When did Espresso become one of your top sr?
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Post Post #842 (isolation #143) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:25 am

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In post 798, Skygazer wrote:
Please take note of the new deadline in the previous vote count.
You’re really the best Sky. I think at least one of the many reasons we lost GS, was because the mod completely ignored my extension request.
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Post Post #843 (isolation #144) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:40 am

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In post 799, Hectic wrote:lul, RCMA is obvtown here now, right?
unless someone can say they've seen RC do this before as scum?

still happy to lynch Alchemist. is just so bad and he's contributed nothing of value since

my preference atm is Alchemist>LUV>Gamma/Great?

VOTE: Alchemist
How is RC’s alignment relevant to Alchemist’s?

I think RC is obvtown regardless.
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Post Post #844 (isolation #145) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:03 am

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In post 802, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 768, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'd vote Alchemist
Why are you considering voting outside the coalition?
In post 803, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 774, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I think limiting the lynch pool solely to those who were in the failed coalition is more likely to lead to a town loss.
We're not doing it the whole game, just starting there day 1.
LUV was the first one to suggest, that limiting lynches to just inside coalition was antitown but no one so far, has explained why.

Espresso agreed but just not on D1. So, if we vote inside coalition today and if we don’t get a scumflip, why is this different after that? @Espresso, your take on that confuses me.
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Post Post #846 (isolation #146) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:08 am

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In post 806, RC most awesomest wrote:I'll probably get scumread for saying this but I think it's pretty unfair to scum to have the deadline extended here.
I think that having under 10 hours to rush a lynch is horribly unfair to town. I think it’s a design flaw in the setup of this type of game. I would change it to 10 days to choose coalition ONLY and another week to decide lynch - like they did in GS.
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Post Post #849 (isolation #147) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:16 am

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In post 810, Hectic wrote:
In post 806, RC most awesomest wrote:I'll probably get scumread for saying this but I think it's pretty unfair to scum to have the deadline extended here.
gotta agree with you there
like of course town are going to want an extension given how long we took to decide on a coalition
lpart of scum's strat today could be delaying the resolution of an agreed upon coalition so that there's not a lot of time to discuss a lynch
and this extension effectively negates that

anyway, i should shut up
I think not granting an extension here, makes the game broken. I lost a game on MU that was a scum stomp, mostly because the design was beyond ridiculously scumsided.
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Post Post #852 (isolation #148) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:32 am

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In post 812, Hectic wrote:
In post 802, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 768, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'd vote Alchemist
Why are you considering voting outside the coalition?
because Alchemist is scummy?
I really wish RC would explain his case, especially because of that. I’ve played 3 games with him. 1 where I correctly tl him, another where he completely fooled everyone and one where he was imo, blatantly scummy.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=80240&user_select%5B%5D=24636

While it’s definitely possible I may be biased since we were buddies in that, I still think he’s playing differently here, especially his later posts.
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Post Post #853 (isolation #149) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:39 am

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First link was from scum!Alchemist in PFUPs. I was in Avengers hydra.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=79422&user_select%5B%5D=24636

Scum!Alchemist from Starcraft 2. I was one of the Powerpuff girls.

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=77824&user_select%5B%5D=24636

Town!Alchemist in Overkill 2.
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Post Post #854 (isolation #150) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:40 am

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I was in DVa.
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Post Post #855 (isolation #151) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:41 am

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In post 818, Hectic wrote:@Great: explain your hectic and NC scumreads please, and why you think there's exactly 1 scum in there
In post 792, YOUAREGREAT wrote:typo. my real lynchpool is hectic/expresso/alchemist21
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Post Post #856 (isolation #152) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:48 am

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In post 829, Hectic wrote:
In post 352, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 206, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 202, RC most awesomest wrote:sky give extension

-nsg
This plz
The short deadline kinda makes forming a decent coalition hard. Even if we just get an extended D1 deadline I'll be happy
The bitching about the deadline is annoying. The coalition is not isn’t the be all end all. I’d be pissed as scum right now if Sky granted this.
@Espresso:
Outside of the coalition, I would lynch LUV>Great


torn about LUV though, like the quote above, how likely is Sky to extend the day if scum are so openly against it in the thread like this?

but then i don't like LUV's pop ins this game and i dislike his buddying of RCMA so i'm not sure
LUV was inside the coalition, so why then Alchemist > GREAT?

Why aren’t you voting LUV or GREAT then?
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Post Post #857 (isolation #153) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:56 am

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In post 847, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 835, NC 39 wrote:
In post 777, EspressoPatronum wrote:
NC-LUV

- NC clearly didn't understand the purpose of voting within the coalition
, so it's possible they would try to put both scum in the coalition + try convincing people to vote outside of it.
I think you’ve completely misunderstood what I did and didn’t understand about the mechanics of this game. As I have already explained, the ONLY thing I was confused about, was the
timing
of the finalizing of the lynch part of it.

I played this game before as well as GS, so I totally do understand how coalitions work but we won D1 (or so I thought) in Skitter’s game, so the lynch part of that, never came into play and in GS, we voted coalitions and lynches on SEPARATE days, not
simultaneously
.

So, what I had understood, was that any lynch would obviously be voided in case of coalition pass but I thought, we had to have decided on it, BEFORE we knew the outcome of the coalition and then we were suddenly expected to rush the vote, before we had any real info to process - coalition result . Thank God, Sky granted us an extension.

I hope you are now clear on this?
Thank you for the clarification. This is the post I was referring to btw:
In post 671, NC 39 wrote:
In post 666, EspressoPatronum wrote:Assuming we pass a coalition and it fails, nobody should be voting to lynch outside of the 5 coalition members.
Why not? IF coalition fails - unless you think there’s two scum in it - unlikely. So, for today and today only, IF we lynch, it makes the most sense to lynch amongst the two scummiest players NOT in coalition. It was definitely GREAT for me, until Hectic decided to sub himself for Gamma pretty much immediately after voting the coalition.
I see how the timing misunderstanding coloured your interpretation of who we should be voting for. While that's good to kniw, I'm not sure if it changes my pairings observation.

Scum operating under your assumption above would likely want two scum in the coalition if they thought town would be voting outside of the coalition. In the case at hand, you advocated to remove LUV from the coalition once you learned about the timing. It was probably nothing, but it's why I think an NC-LUV pairing is possible while all the other in-coalition pairings seem unlikely.
I actually expected a no lynch in the event of a coalition fail. Do you need me to repost the VCAs to debunk this?
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Post Post #859 (isolation #154) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:02 am

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In post 688, Skygazer wrote:
VC 1.17


Mod note:
The coalition of [
EspressoPatronum, Gamma Emerald, Lil Uzi Vert, NC 39, RC most awesomest
] has failed!

Hectic (2): YOUAREGREAT, Spangled
Lil Uzi Vert (2): Gamma Emerald, EspressoPatronum
Spangled (1): RC most awesomest
Alchemist21 (1): Hectic
EspressoPatronum (1): Lil Uzi Vert

Not Voting (2): Alchemist21, NC 39

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to reach a majority. Day one ends in (expired on 2019-09-12 18:00:00).
@Espresso, what do you see in here, that would lend you to think I expected a lynch to even happen? We need a majority of 5 players voting for one. That clearly wasn’t happening. I was also trying to get Alchemist back in the coalition and LUV out. I was far more confident in coalition succeeding with Alchemist > LUV.
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Post Post #860 (isolation #155) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:07 am

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In post 663, NC 39 wrote:
In post 657, Hectic wrote:HURT: ALL
HEAL: Hectic, NC 39, Espresso, LUV, RCMA
will sub myself out for Gamma if required
What are you doing? Why not Alchemist or Spangled?
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Post Post #861 (isolation #156) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:12 am

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In post 848, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 844, NC 39 wrote:
In post 802, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 768, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'd vote Alchemist
Why are you considering voting outside the coalition?
In post 803, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 774, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I think limiting the lynch pool solely to those who were in the failed coalition is more likely to lead to a town loss.
We're not doing it the whole game, just starting there day 1.
LUV was the first one to suggest, that limiting lynches to just inside coalition was antitown but no one so far, has explained why.

Espresso agreed but just not on D1. So, if we vote inside coalition today and if we don’t get a scumflip, why is this different after that? @Espresso, your take on that confuses me.
@NC that's Gamma's quote, not mine
In post 775, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 774, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I think limiting the lynch pool solely to those who were in the failed coalition is more likely to lead to a town loss.
I think you're right in the long term, but I see no reason why voting outside of it now is a good idea.
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Post Post #862 (isolation #157) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:23 am

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In post 850, Alchemist21 wrote:@NC What are your reads looking like right now?
I’m getting concerned that Espresso continues to misinterpret my posts. I initially thought that I hadn’t explained things clearly enough but now that I have, I’m getting annoyed with his what is looking like to me, a mischaracterizing of my posts about that. I still think he’s not getting it but I don’t know how much clearer he needs me to be. I explained very clearly that I fully understand how the coalition mechanics work and he keeps insisting I don’t. I’m now getting a but paranoid that LUV may be town, because of that. I don’t understand why he keeps ignoring what I’ve said about both Skitter’s game and GS.

My misunderstanding of the timing of the deciding of the lynch doesn’t cancel that out.
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Post Post #866 (isolation #158) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:41 am

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Spoiler:
In post 679, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 678, NC 39 wrote:
In post 670, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 651, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 642, NC 39 wrote:
In post 638, Alchemist21 wrote:And NOW we have a problem.

3 people outside of the Coalition voting for it is a red flag.

HURT: Gamma

HEAL: Alchemist21
Who’s the 3rd?
Spangled
Spangled has GREAT in his. It isn't the same.
Okay, that’s a relief then. I think this is probably a winning coalition then. And you were the only one outside the coalition voting it, so I think it plus you is probably alltown. If we do add you, I would probably sub out LUV over Gamma, since I’m liking his recent posting.
This unfortunately comes after me establishing that we should vote within the coalition.

While I still believe you're town, I think I'd rather keep it {RCMA, LUV, Gamma, Espresso, NC} in the event that scum!NC tries to get 2 scum out of the coalition.
In post 691, EspressoPatronum wrote:@NC

Yeah, I worded that poorly.

I was trying to say scum!NC wouldn't want 2 scum in the coalition and with want to take one out.
In post 697, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 695, Hectic wrote:i'll be honest, i don't really have much clue what's going on this game

but Espresso, why is it favourable for scum!NC to get 2 scum in the coaliton, don't scum want exactly one in there since we're inclined to lynch from the coalition since we now know there's at least 1 scum in there?
That's exactly what I'm saying. Scum don't want 2 in.

If scum!NC and scum!LUV, NC would want to remove LUV in favour of someone else.

1-1 is the best outcome for scum.
In post 777, EspressoPatronum wrote:I'm going to start our pairings discussion. It's not super important to complete it until after we figure out the lynch, but I want it out there to get people thinking about it.

It's woefully incomplete rn, but it's a first step.

Possible Pairings

Gamma-Hectic

- I don't recall either of them having each other in the coalitions. Hectic's might have had Gamma for a while, but I think it was brief.

Gamma-Spangled

- pretty sure Spangled started pushing Gamma into the coalition after we removed Spangled. Spangled's vote on Gamma could be a scum gambit.

NC-LUV

- NC clearly didn't understand the purpose of voting within the coalition, so it's possible they would try to put both scum in the coalition + try convincing people to vote outside of it.

There are a few others, but I can't remember them off the top of my head. Imo, it's a red flag if someone in the core coalition (me, RCMA, NC, Hectic for most of the day, and Spangled for a little while) vetoed anyone else bcz a scum in the coalition would want to avoid having another scum in the coalition.

Unlikely Pairings:
(In progress, but it's pretty much all of the in-coalition pairs)


Impossible pairings
(>=50% chance of 1 or more being town)
Alchemist-Hectic
Alchemist-GREAT
Alchemist-Spangled
Hectic-GREAT
Hectic-Spangled
Spangled-GREAT
In post 847, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 835, NC 39 wrote:
In post 777, EspressoPatronum wrote:
NC-LUV

- NC clearly didn't understand the purpose of voting within the coalition
, so it's possible they would try to put both scum in the coalition + try convincing people to vote outside of it.
I think you’ve completely misunderstood what I did and didn’t understand about the mechanics of this game. As I have already explained, the ONLY thing I was confused about, was the
timing
of the finalizing of the lynch part of it.

I played this game before as well as GS, so I totally do understand how coalitions work but we won D1 (or so I thought) in Skitter’s game, so the lynch part of that, never came into play and in GS, we voted coalitions and lynches on SEPARATE days, not
simultaneously
.

So, what I had understood, was that any lynch would obviously be voided in case of coalition pass but I thought, we had to have decided on it, BEFORE we knew the outcome of the coalition and then we were suddenly expected to rush the vote, before we had any real info to process - coalition result . Thank God, Sky granted us an extension.

I hope you are now clear on this?
Thank you for the clarification. This is the post I was referring to btw:
In post 671, NC 39 wrote:
In post 666, EspressoPatronum wrote:Assuming we pass a coalition and it fails, nobody should be voting to lynch outside of the 5 coalition members.
Why not? IF coalition fails - unless you think there’s two scum in it - unlikely. So, for today and today only, IF we lynch, it makes the most sense to lynch amongst the two scummiest players NOT in coalition. It was definitely GREAT for me, until Hectic decided to sub himself for Gamma pretty much immediately after voting the coalition.
I see how the timing misunderstanding coloured your interpretation of who we should be voting for. While that's good to kniw, I'm not sure if it changes my pairings observation.

Scum operating under your assumption above would likely want two scum in the coalition if they thought town would be voting outside of the coalition. In the case at hand, you advocated to remove LUV from the coalition once you learned about the timing. It was probably nothing, but it's why I think an NC-LUV pairing is possible while all the other in-coalition pairings seem unlikely.


So which is it @Espresso? Before coalition result, you link LUV/Me because scum!me wouldn’t want 2 scum in the coalition and afterwards, you do a complete 180 on this and say, scum!me would want that?

I don’t understand why you keep maintaining I don’t understand coalition mechanics? I’ve now played 2 games with that particular mechanic? Why would you think I’d expect a lynch to happen at all in the event of coalition fail,
considering I believed we had to decide this before it passed with no clear majority
?

There is 0 evidence to suggest anything other than a no lynch would happen in case of coalition fail.
Maybe you are the one who isn’t fully understanding the mechanics in this game?
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Post Post #868 (isolation #159) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:48 am

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In post 858, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 853, NC 39 wrote:First link was from scum!Alchemist in PFUPs. I was in Avengers hydra.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=79422&user_select%5B%5D=24636

Scum!Alchemist from Starcraft 2. I was one of the Powerpuff girls.

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=77824&user_select%5B%5D=24636

Town!Alchemist in Overkill 2.
You linked the wrong Starcraft game. I was Town in the one you linked.

THIS is the Starcraft game where I was scum: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=78296
Oh sorry about that. It was 2, you were scum in, with Pint and jj not Volxen/Wisdom/Cerb. :oops:
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Post Post #869 (isolation #160) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:01 am

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In post 863, EspressoPatronum wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 861, NC 39 wrote:
In post 848, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 844, NC 39 wrote:
In post 802, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 768, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'd vote Alchemist
Why are you considering voting outside the coalition?
In post 803, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 774, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I think limiting the lynch pool solely to those who were in the failed coalition is more likely to lead to a town loss.
We're not doing it the whole game, just starting there day 1.
LUV was the first one to suggest, that limiting lynches to just inside coalition was antitown but no one so far, has explained why.

Espresso agreed but just not on D1. So, if we vote inside coalition today and if we don’t get a scumflip, why is this different after that? @Espresso, your take on that confuses me.
@NC that's Gamma's quote, not mine
In post 775, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 774, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I think limiting the lynch pool solely to those who were in the failed coalition is more likely to lead to a town loss.
I think you're right in the long term, but I see no reason why voting outside of it now is a good idea.

See post for my reply to this.

What's your stance on how long we should vote within the coalition?
Until either we find scum or someone outside does something so blatantly scummy, we would be fools to ignore it. RC is a really good player and would really like to see his reasoning on why we shouldn’t do that. LUV’s as well.

@GREAT, do you have an opinion on this?

I’m sorry Espresso but need you to clarify why your stances on both why you think both my misunderstanding the timing of the lynch mechanic = my misunderstanding coalition mechanic and why anyone would logically assume - based on my misunderstanding of that - anything other than a no lynch would happen in case of coalition fail - given the fact that
there was no clear majority lynch at the time that coalition passed
. Can you please answer my question?
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Post Post #872 (isolation #161) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:16 am

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In post 864, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 862, NC 39 wrote:
In post 850, Alchemist21 wrote:@NC What are your reads looking like right now?
I’m getting concerned that Espresso continues to misinterpret my posts. I initially thought that I hadn’t explained things clearly enough but now that I have, I’m getting annoyed with his what is looking like to me, a mischaracterizing of my posts about that. I still think he’s not getting it but I don’t know how much clearer he needs me to be. I explained very clearly that I fully understand how the coalition mechanics work and he keeps insisting I don’t. I’m now getting a but paranoid that LUV may be town, because of that. I don’t understand why he keeps ignoring what I’ve said about both Skitter’s game and GS.

My misunderstanding of the timing of the deciding of the lynch doesn’t cancel that out.
I think you're reading into my pairings post a little too deeply. It's not a scumcase.

If you read the beginning of the post, you'll see that I posted it to get discussion flowing on possible pairings. Aubrey and A50 did this in nsg's game. While they ultimately won with the coalition, I think their discussion of pairings may have been helpful if the game continued. I wanted to do the same in this game.

I'm not saying you're scum (as I still tr you), but I'm saying that IF you were scum, LUV is a potential partner. If LUV is town, you're even more likely to be town imo (note - I have said all of this in my past posts). I even considered adding myself and possible pairings, but I decided against it because it wouldn't be very genuine.

What result are you trying to achieve by citing the VCAs and your stance on Alchemist?
I obviously don’t want to mislynch. I understand you’re not scumcasing me but prior to coalition, your linking me with LUV was based on my not wanting him in coalition and now it’s the opposite, hence my confusion.

I posted the VCA because you suggested that scum!me, due to misunderstanding coalition would be somehow influenced by that but at the time, there was no clear majority. So, I just don’t understand why you mentioned that. If there’s no clear majority at the time of the coalition passing, then how could scum be influenced by that at all? That just made 0 sense to me.

You also posted non-coalition pairings as being less than 0 or something but I don’t know why you’d even bother with that, since we know now with 100% certainty that one scum is in failed coalition, so isn’t kind of redundant to post that?
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Post Post #873 (isolation #162) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:24 am

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In post 865, EspressoPatronum wrote:For ease of reference, at post , I said:
I'm going to start our pairings discussion. It's not super important to complete it until after we figure out the lynch, but I want it out there to get people thinking about it.

It's woefully incomplete rn, but it's a first step. [Snipped the list of pairings]
Is there some reason you have Gamma linked with Spangled but not GREAT and why isn’t LUV linked with either?

Didn’t both Spangled and GREAT have both Gamma and LUV in their final coalitions?
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Post Post #874 (isolation #163) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:26 am

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In post 867, EspressoPatronum wrote:I did a quick skim of Alchemist's town SC game, town Overkill game, and the scum SC game and I honestly can't tell the difference between them.

If I had to pick something, he seemed a bit more proactive in the scum SC game compared to the others, but not by much.
So, how are you reading him here by comparison?
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Post Post #877 (isolation #164) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:44 am

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Spoiler:
In post 870, EspressoPatronum wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 866, NC 39 wrote:
In post 679, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 678, NC 39 wrote:
In post 670, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 651, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 642, NC 39 wrote:
In post 638, Alchemist21 wrote:And NOW we have a problem.

3 people outside of the Coalition voting for it is a red flag.

HURT: Gamma

HEAL: Alchemist21
Who’s the 3rd?
Spangled
Spangled has GREAT in his. It isn't the same.
Okay, that’s a relief then. I think this is probably a winning coalition then. And you were the only one outside the coalition voting it, so I think it plus you is probably alltown. If we do add you, I would probably sub out LUV over Gamma, since I’m liking his recent posting.
This unfortunately comes after me establishing that we should vote within the coalition.

While I still believe you're town, I think I'd rather keep it {RCMA, LUV, Gamma, Espresso, NC} in the event that scum!NC tries to get 2 scum out of the coalition.
In post 691, EspressoPatronum wrote:@NC

Yeah, I worded that poorly.

I was trying to say scum!NC wouldn't want 2 scum in the coalition and with want to take one out.
In post 697, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 695, Hectic wrote:i'll be honest, i don't really have much clue what's going on this game

but Espresso, why is it favourable for scum!NC to get 2 scum in the coaliton, don't scum want exactly one in there since we're inclined to lynch from the coalition since we now know there's at least 1 scum in there?
That's exactly what I'm saying. Scum don't want 2 in.

If scum!NC and scum!LUV, NC would want to remove LUV in favour of someone else.

1-1 is the best outcome for scum.
In post 777, EspressoPatronum wrote:I'm going to start our pairings discussion. It's not super important to complete it until after we figure out the lynch, but I want it out there to get people thinking about it.

It's woefully incomplete rn, but it's a first step.

Possible Pairings

Gamma-Hectic

- I don't recall either of them having each other in the coalitions. Hectic's might have had Gamma for a while, but I think it was brief.

Gamma-Spangled

- pretty sure Spangled started pushing Gamma into the coalition after we removed Spangled. Spangled's vote on Gamma could be a scum gambit.

NC-LUV

- NC clearly didn't understand the purpose of voting within the coalition, so it's possible they would try to put both scum in the coalition + try convincing people to vote outside of it.

There are a few others, but I can't remember them off the top of my head. Imo, it's a red flag if someone in the core coalition (me, RCMA, NC, Hectic for most of the day, and Spangled for a little while) vetoed anyone else bcz a scum in the coalition would want to avoid having another scum in the coalition.

Unlikely Pairings:
(In progress, but it's pretty much all of the in-coalition pairs)


Impossible pairings
(>=50% chance of 1 or more being town)
Alchemist-Hectic
Alchemist-GREAT
Alchemist-Spangled
Hectic-GREAT
Hectic-Spangled
Spangled-GREAT
In post 847, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 835, NC 39 wrote:
In post 777, EspressoPatronum wrote:
NC-LUV

- NC clearly didn't understand the purpose of voting within the coalition
, so it's possible they would try to put both scum in the coalition + try convincing people to vote outside of it.
I think you’ve completely misunderstood what I did and didn’t understand about the mechanics of this game. As I have already explained, the ONLY thing I was confused about, was the
timing
of the finalizing of the lynch part of it.

I played this game before as well as GS, so I totally do understand how coalitions work but we won D1 (or so I thought) in Skitter’s game, so the lynch part of that, never came into play and in GS, we voted coalitions and lynches on SEPARATE days, not
simultaneously
.

So, what I had understood, was that any lynch would obviously be voided in case of coalition pass but I thought, we had to have decided on it, BEFORE we knew the outcome of the coalition and then we were suddenly expected to rush the vote, before we had any real info to process - coalition result . Thank God, Sky granted us an extension.

I hope you are now clear on this?
Thank you for the clarification. This is the post I was referring to btw:
In post 671, NC 39 wrote:
In post 666, EspressoPatronum wrote:Assuming we pass a coalition and it fails, nobody should be voting to lynch outside of the 5 coalition members.
Why not? IF coalition fails - unless you think there’s two scum in it - unlikely. So, for today and today only, IF we lynch, it makes the most sense to lynch amongst the two scummiest players NOT in coalition. It was definitely GREAT for me, until Hectic decided to sub himself for Gamma pretty much immediately after voting the coalition.
I see how the timing misunderstanding coloured your interpretation of who we should be voting for. While that's good to kniw, I'm not sure if it changes my pairings observation.

Scum operating under your assumption above would likely want two scum in the coalition if they thought town would be voting outside of the coalition. In the case at hand, you advocated to remove LUV from the coalition once you learned about the timing. It was probably nothing, but it's why I think an NC-LUV pairing is possible while all the other in-coalition pairings seem unlikely.

Maybe you are the one who isn’t fully understanding the mechanics in this game?
Honestly, maybe you're right. I feel like what I'm saying isn't very contentious, but it evidently is. Hopefully I can work this out in this reply to you.

If that doesn't work and I'm still misunderstanding your posts, can you help me out by stating, as succinctly as possible, comments the following:
- what is the purpose of EP's pairings post?
- where, specifically, is the point of contention between NC and EP?
So which is it @Espresso? Before coalition result, you link LUV/Me because scum!me wouldn’t want 2 scum in the coalition and afterwards, you do a complete 180 on this and say, scum!me would want that?
Ok let's take you and me out of the equation here. I'm going to use A, B, C instead. If I unfairly impose an assumption on A/B/C, don't apply it to you. I'm just working within this micro example here:
1. A and B are partners.
2. A thinks that voting outside of the coalition is town's likely avenue.
3. A therefore wants B in the coalition

4. C says something that disproves what A thought at step 2.
5. A now thinks that town's likely avenue is to vote within the coalition
6. A therefore wants B out of the coalition now.

In this example, A's sudden want to remove B from the coalition is suggests to C that A and B may be paired together.

Bringing it back to the case at hand, your recent posts have demonstrated that the actual events are far more nuanced than my example.

Assuming for a moment that the statements in the example are all true (which you have demonstrated they aren't, but work with me here), and that A=you, B=LUV, and C=EP, does it seem reasonable for me to conclude that you and LUV may be connected?
I don’t understand why you keep maintaining I don’t understand coalition mechanics? I’ve now played 2 games with that particular mechanic? Why would you think I’d expect a lynch to happen at all in the event of coalition fail,
considering I believed we had to decide this before it passed with no clear majority
?
I was perhaps being too general here + we may be talking past each other.

I don't think you don't understand all of the coalition mechanics. The specific mechanic I was referring to was setting up a vote before the coalition and why we should do that.

You understood it a different way because you've played games in this mode before. Totally understandable. I wasn't trying to attack your competency... my point of highlighting the misunderstanding was me jumping to the conclusion j of the ABC example (above) without explaining the specifics.
There is 0 evidence to suggest anything other than a no lynch would happen in case of coalition fail. [...]
On my reading, I assumed we would go right into the lynching phase of D1. Given our limited amount of time, I tried to complete the coalition and get ready for lynching. My posts in my ISO will support this.[/quote]


Maybe there’s some misunderstanding here then? You’re seeing a connection - if someone were scum, by wanting to lynch outside coalition and wanting their hypothetical buddy inside it but you said prior to coalition that I didn’t want LUV in it and now you’re saying the converse.
I think I have a post, where I said, I didn’t want him in it but I didn’t think he should be the lynch in case coalition failed
. The VCA connection is due to a very clear no lynch happening - according to what I or someone who believed what I did - to logically believe that at the time, I was discussing LUV being in the coalition, that no lynch would happen regardless. This is why I liked Gamma’s post about that. I thought at the time, the optimal course of action was to no lynch, due to a complete lack of information and that’s why I unvoted.

Anyway, can you elaborate more on the other potential pairings you linked and as I’ve already stated. I think you missed some.
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Post Post #878 (isolation #165) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:44 am

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:facepalm: Sorry about messing up the formatting.
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Post Post #880 (isolation #166) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:53 am

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In post 875, EspressoPatronum wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 872, NC 39 wrote:
In post 864, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 862, NC 39 wrote:
In post 850, Alchemist21 wrote:@NC What are your reads looking like right now?
I’m getting concerned that Espresso continues to misinterpret my posts. I initially thought that I hadn’t explained things clearly enough but now that I have, I’m getting annoyed with his what is looking like to me, a mischaracterizing of my posts about that. I still think he’s not getting it but I don’t know how much clearer he needs me to be. I explained very clearly that I fully understand how the coalition mechanics work and he keeps insisting I don’t. I’m now getting a but paranoid that LUV may be town, because of that. I don’t understand why he keeps ignoring what I’ve said about both Skitter’s game and GS.

My misunderstanding of the timing of the deciding of the lynch doesn’t cancel that out.
I think you're reading into my pairings post a little too deeply. It's not a scumcase.

If you read the beginning of the post, you'll see that I posted it to get discussion flowing on possible pairings. Aubrey and A50 did this in nsg's game. While they ultimately won with the coalition, I think their discussion of pairings may have been helpful if the game continued. I wanted to do the same in this game.

I'm not saying you're scum (as I still tr you), but I'm saying that IF you were scum, LUV is a potential partner. If LUV is town, you're even more likely to be town imo (note - I have said all of this in my past posts). I even considered adding myself and possible pairings, but I decided against it because it wouldn't be very genuine.

What result are you trying to achieve by citing the VCAs and your stance on Alchemist?


Your response:

Spoiler:
I obviously don’t want to mislynch. I understand you’re not scumcasing me but prior to coalition, your linking me with LUV was based on my not wanting him in coalition and now it’s the opposite, hence my confusion.

I posted the VCA because you suggested that scum!me, due to misunderstanding coalition would be somehow influenced by that but at the time, there was no clear majority. So, I just don’t understand why you mentioned that. If there’s no clear majority at the time of the coalition passing, then how could scum be influenced by that at all? That just made 0 sense to me.

You also posted non-coalition pairings as being less than 0 or something but I don’t know why you’d even bother with that, since we know now with 100% certainty that one scum is in failed coalition, so isn’t kind of redundant to post that?


I'm hoping my big wallpost addressed your first and second para. If it doesn't, I will revisit this as needed.

Non-coalition pairings are >50% likely to be one or more town. It's not redundant because the likelihood holds true if/after we find the scum in the coalition.[/quote]

But how? We already know one of those mechanically has to be town?

My thinking att was if someone is townie enough to be in coalition, it makes 0 sense to vote them before we know the coalition results but it was clear if the lynch votes were to be counted, in the event of coalition fail, then any votes made prior to coalition outcome would fail anyway - due to the clear absence of a majority. In GS, scum!RC greatly protested being put into it. That’s one of the initial reasons I tr them. Nsg, clearly wanted to be included in it.
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Post Post #882 (isolation #167) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:54 am

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:facepalm: HALP!

I promise I am not trying to break the site.
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Post Post #884 (isolation #168) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:28 am

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In post 879, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 873, NC 39 wrote:
In post 865, EspressoPatronum wrote:For ease of reference, at post , I said:
I'm going to start our pairings discussion. It's not super important to complete it until after we figure out the lynch, but I want it out there to get people thinking about it.

It's woefully incomplete rn, but it's a first step. [Snipped the list of pairings]
Is there some reason you have Gamma linked with Spangled but not GREAT and why isn’t LUV linked with either?

Didn’t both Spangled and GREAT have both Gamma and LUV in their final coalitions?
The reason for me not including them is I didn't notice them. Happy to add them to the pairings list.

My methodology was less focused on the final result and more focused on who ppl added shortly after they were removed from the coalition. I also tried to look at who the core coalition members vetoed.

Example:
If Hectic is scum with Gamma, for instance, Hectic likely wouldn't push Gamma as long as Hectic was in the coalition. If I'm remembering correctly, Hectic pushed Gamma once people removed Hectic from the coalition.

Hypo example: if a core coalition member was widely TRd, it would be in their best interest to veto their scumbuddy to ensure the result of 1in / 1out.
Yeah I agree, scum trying to get both them and their buddy in coalition is against their wincon.

What do you think of Hectic, at least in part, basing his Alchemist vote on his read of RC’s alignment? @Hectic, how familiar with RC’s reads’ accuracy?

Iow, Are you in part, basing your Alchemist vote on RC being a dominant player or your familiarity with his reads?
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Post Post #885 (isolation #169) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:31 am

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In post 883, EspressoPatronum wrote:I found it helpful to delete all quoted spoilers and reapply them manually. That will probably help any future abominations like lmao
Reapplying them manually prevents that? I thought the only way was to delete them. Thanks, I’ll try that next time.
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Post Post #886 (isolation #170) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:33 am

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Post #880

But how? We already know one of those mechanically has to be town?

My thinking att was if someone is townie enough to be in coalition, it makes 0 sense to vote them before we know the coalition results but it was clear if the lynch votes were to be counted, in the event of coalition fail, then any votes made prior to coalition outcome would fail anyway - due to the clear absence of a majority. In GS, scum!RC greatly protested being put into it. That’s one of the initial reasons I tr them. Nsg, clearly wanted to be included in it. ~NC 39
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Post Post #913 (isolation #171) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:24 am

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In post 908, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 906, Spangled wrote:
In post 904, EspressoPatronum wrote: Hectic was likely waiting for an opportunity to go on Alchemist + RC's vote was a good chance to do so.
This sounds like you’re accusing Hectic of opportunism... but the rest of the post seems not to indicate that...
Remind me, what’s your read on Hectic?
Town.

I don't see why town can't be opportunistic. It seems to me as though Alch was Hectic's top scum read +
he probably wouldn't have voted outside of the coalition without support.
How is that anything other than NAI?
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Post Post #914 (isolation #172) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:34 am

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In post 910, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 844, NC 39 wrote:So, if we vote inside coalition today and if we don’t get a scumflip, why is this different after that?
My opinion on this is we should have a nightkill to work worth and possibly interpret so at that point maybe it will be clear scum are split between in and out
I didn’t think about that but I can see how it may possibly shed light on possible pairings, like if LUV were to flip scum, GREAT is extremely unlikely to be his partner, probably based on activity levels.
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Post Post #915 (isolation #173) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:36 am

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Spoiler:
In post 911, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 861, NC 39 wrote:
In post 848, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 844, NC 39 wrote:
In post 802, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 768, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'd vote Alchemist
Why are you considering voting outside the coalition?
In post 803, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 774, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I think limiting the lynch pool solely to those who were in the failed coalition is more likely to lead to a town loss.
We're not doing it the whole game, just starting there day 1.
LUV was the first one to suggest, that limiting lynches to just inside coalition was antitown but no one so far, has explained why.

Espresso agreed but just not on D1. So, if we vote inside coalition today and if we don’t get a scumflip, why is this different after that? @Espresso, your take on that confuses me.
@NC that's Gamma's quote, not mine
In post 775, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 774, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I think limiting the lynch pool solely to those who were in the failed coalition is more likely to lead to a town loss.
I think you're right in the long term, but I see no reason why voting outside of it now is a good idea.
Looking at it Espresso does have a point, you kinda assigned my terms to Espresso's idea
You both essentially said the same thing, though he made the point first.
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Post Post #916 (isolation #174) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:46 am

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In post 912, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 867, EspressoPatronum wrote:I did a quick skim of Alchemist's town SC game, town Overkill game, and the scum SC game and I honestly can't tell the difference between them.

If I had to pick something, he seemed a bit more proactive in the scum SC game compared to the others, but not by much.
Eh I'd try to meta Alchemist but I kinda recall blowing it last time I did it
I still think he’s town but RC’s confidence is making me kind of paranoid, because I was so wrong on him in SC 2.
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Post Post #917 (isolation #175) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:48 am

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In post 780, Skygazer wrote:
VC 1.18


Lil Uzi Vert (3): Gamma Emerald, EspressoPatronum, Hectic
Gamma Emerald (2): Alchemist21, Spangled
Hectic (1): YOUAREGREAT
Alchemist21 (1): RC most awesomest
EspressoPatronum (1): Lil Uzi Vert

Not Voting (1): NC 39

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to reach a majority. Day one ends in (expired on 2019-09-14 23:59:59).
@Sky, can we get an updated VC please?
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Post Post #918 (isolation #176) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:49 am

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In post 914, NC 39 wrote:
In post 910, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 844, NC 39 wrote:So, if we vote inside coalition today and if we don’t get a scumflip, why is this different after that?
My opinion on this is we should have a nightkill to work worth and possibly interpret so at that point maybe it will be clear scum are split between in and out
I didn’t think about that but I can see how it may possibly shed light on possible pairings, like if LUV were to flip scum, GREAT is extremely unlikely to be his partner, probably based on activity levels.
And vice-versa.
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Post Post #919 (isolation #177) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:57 am

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In post 917, NC 39 wrote:
In post 780, Skygazer wrote:
VC 1.18


Lil Uzi Vert (3): Gamma Emerald, EspressoPatronum, Hectic
Gamma Emerald (2): Alchemist21, Spangled
Hectic (1): YOUAREGREAT
Alchemist21 (1): RC most awesomest
EspressoPatronum (1): Lil Uzi Vert

Not Voting (1): NC 39

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to reach a majority. Day one ends in (expired on 2019-09-14 23:59:59).
@Sky, can we get an updated VC please?
So Hectic and Spangled are both voting for Alchemist now.

I think this VC is accurate otherwise?

So, is that 3-2 for Alchemist over LUV currently?
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Post Post #920 (isolation #178) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:59 am

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In post 772, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:What’s the case on Alchemist again?
Why is your vote still on Espresso? You made that vote prior to coalition outcome.
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Post Post #923 (isolation #179) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:08 am

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What do you think of the current VC?
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Post Post #924 (isolation #180) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:11 am

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Yeah, I think so too.

So, I liked Gamma’s recent posting more than LUV’s, so I should probably vote him.

@To everyone voting outside coalition today, why do you think that’s better?
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Post Post #926 (isolation #181) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:15 am

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@Espresso, What is your current read on Alchemist?
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Post Post #928 (isolation #182) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:30 am

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VOTE: LUV
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Post Post #929 (isolation #183) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:01 am

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In post 792, YOUAREGREAT wrote:typo. my real lynchpool is hectic/expresso/alchemist21
If you could give reasons for this, that would be awesome.
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Post Post #930 (isolation #184) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:05 am

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Less than 10 hours - again! Remind me why I bothered asking for that extension?:/

This playerlist is so apathetic, I don’t see things changing, so we need to get a lynch today.
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Post Post #937 (isolation #185) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:54 am

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In post 931, RC most awesomest wrote:Nc39 how is it possible that town you ever forces a no lynch as opposed to following me onto alch?
I’m not, I will switch my vote to avoid a no lynch. Even if I did, it’s still only 4 but I still think it’s better to lynch inside the coalition but I will vote Alchemist over a no lynch, if it comes to that.
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Post Post #939 (isolation #186) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:56 am

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In post 932, RC most awesomest wrote:Cuz that's what you're doing right now transparently

There's 1 Lynch that has any potential of going through and that's alchemist and yet you're not supporting it and trying to make EP the reason for that.

Jesus Christ that coalition was terrible
But I think he’s right. It’s optimal to lynch inside coalition and Alchemist wasn’t in it.
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Post Post #941 (isolation #187) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:58 am

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In post 935, RC most awesomest wrote:Like you're saying it's apathy: no. Players aren't apathetic. Just that the shit tier players in this game are stubbornly holding onto bad approaches to the game. It's not a question of lynching in the coalition vs not, it's a question of lynching the objective scummiest player in the game with the Hydra with the most valuable reads certain that they are scum versus no lynching to stick it to RC. Is throwing the game to stick it to me worth it to you?
I’m not doing that. I already told you I think it’s best to lynch inside coalition and I will vote Alchemist over a no lynch but that’s still only 4 and we need 5. Have you forgotten about that?
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Post Post #943 (isolation #188) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:00 am

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In post 938, RC most awesomest wrote:It's going to be a NL if you don't switch right now

Decision is yours.
It’s no lynch anyway, because I’d only be the 4th vote. We need 5.
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Post Post #946 (isolation #189) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:11 am

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In post 936, RC most awesomest wrote:Seriously just lynch us after if alch flips town win win situation for everyone
If Alch flips town, people will assume you’re wrong and not scum, so I don’t see that happening.
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Post Post #947 (isolation #190) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:14 am

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In post 945, Alchemist21 wrote:He’s wrong this time too.

I could compromise on LUV if Gamma isn’t going to happen.
I think it’s between you and LUV and we have less than 10 hours.

But RC is right that it’s easier to get 1 extra vote than two before deadline.
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Post Post #948 (isolation #191) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:17 am

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In post 940, RC most awesomest wrote:That's not the question right now

The question is lynch Alchemist versus no lynch

And I think my read quality makes my scumread the optimal lunch.

We proved that you guys as a collective don't have great reads when your coalition failed, shouldn't we rely on someone else now?
But that’s my point RC, your preferred lynch is a player who isn’t responsible for it failing.
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Post Post #960 (isolation #192) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:31 am

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In post 952, RC most awesomest wrote:NC I'm really hoping you're scum having a good game as opposed to town doing your utmost to ruin towns chances of winning, regardless of what you think your actual motivation is.
If I wanted to do that, I wouldn’t have asked for the extension.

Can you tell me why you’re so convinced Alchemist is scum here?

Please.
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Post Post #963 (isolation #193) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:32 am

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In post 955, RC most awesomest wrote:And I think that you ignoring the fact that I already answered your question to call me irrational says more than anything I could say.

But EP and NC are being equally awful in terms of discrediting me for my Alchemist scumread so it could be them too!
How am I discrediting you?
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Post Post #966 (isolation #194) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:33 am

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In post 958, Hectic wrote:
In post 780, Skygazer wrote:
Day one ends in (expired on 2019-09-14 23:59:59).
votes for LUV and Alchemist are curently:

Lil Uzi Vert (3): Gamma Emerald, EspressoPatronum, Alchemist
Alchemist21 (3): RC most awesomest, Hectic, Spangled

put your vote down, NC
Are you reading my posts?

I voted LUV before Alchemist did.
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Post Post #970 (isolation #195) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:37 am

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In post 960, NC 39 wrote:
In post 952, RC most awesomest wrote:NC I'm really hoping you're scum having a good game as opposed to town doing your utmost to ruin towns chances of winning, regardless of what you think your actual motivation is.
If I wanted to do that, I wouldn’t have asked for the extension.

Can you tell me why you’re so convinced Alchemist is scum here?

Please.
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Post Post #973 (isolation #196) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:41 am

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In post 968, RC most awesomest wrote:ND are you hedging on me being scum or are you not familiar with the fact that I have an 100% record reading Alchemist21
No RC, I though nsg was super townie and you are still my top town read. You’re saying you’ve never been wrong on him - not even once?
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Post Post #978 (isolation #197) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:48 am

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In post 971, RC most awesomest wrote:
In post 968, RC most awesomest wrote:ND are you hedging on me being scum or are you not familiar with the fact that I have an 100% record reading Alchemist21
Is the question is RC scum faking a read or is the question you don't trust my alchemist read but townread me
Partially the latter but also because he wasn’t in the coalition. If he was, I’d probably be sheeping you rn, based on your degree of certainty.

I don’t sr you, I think I’ve made that very clear.

I also don’t trust everyone on his wagon - Alchemist, so there’s that too. I don’t mean you obviously.

What is your read on Hectic?
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Post Post #982 (isolation #198) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:53 am

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In post 977, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 975, RC most awesomest wrote:Even Alchemist himself would verify that.

And given that he should be a little concerned with me scumreading him.

But he's not, he's just kinda rushing to get a lynch that's not him through
Can verify.

You’re not the first to formerly have a 100% accuracy rate on me. Ask Gamma. Everyone gets it wrong at some point or another.

8 hours left tho.
Why aren’t you more concerned with RC sr you?
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Post Post #988 (isolation #199) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:57 am

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In post 981, RC most awesomest wrote:I think that the odds of Gamma/Alch overwhelm the odds of any other scumteam.
I agree with this.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Alchemist

Kill 2 birds with one stone this way.
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