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Post Post #37 (isolation #0) » Sat Aug 03, 2019 11:16 pm

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Confirm
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Post Post #64 (isolation #1) » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:57 pm

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Except for Creature, who I assume is the same Creature from MU, I know nobody here.

VOTE: Rick Dalton

Let's get a CW going.
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Post Post #110 (isolation #2) » Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:17 pm

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I'll abstain

You really don't want me in your town core
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Post Post #176 (isolation #3) » Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:17 pm

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In post 167, Arcfield wrote:
In post 110, VaultDweller wrote:I'll abstain

You really don't want me in your town core
Okay ngl this is really sus. Why do you want to abstain?
I'm not good at being town core. I prefer being suspected the whole game long ;)
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Post Post #179 (isolation #4) » Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:55 pm

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VOTE: DrippingGoofball

Happy?
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Post Post #232 (isolation #5) » Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:36 am

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It's long weekend here, so I'm going to be V/LA until Monday
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Post Post #283 (isolation #6) » Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:25 am

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Uhmm, I did say I was V/LA until Monday...
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Post Post #392 (isolation #7) » Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:14 pm

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I'm back. Will catch up soon.
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Post Post #393 (isolation #8) » Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:28 pm

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In post 384, Almost50 wrote:In post 37, VaultDweller wrote:
Confirm


momo alt spotted.
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Post Post #394 (isolation #9) » Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:30 pm

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In post 383, Almost50 wrote: The game is multiball. One White Mafia vs Another Black Mafia
In post 383, Almost50 wrote: The last game I saw this declaration it was true, and it came straight form a scum player!
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Post Post #395 (isolation #10) » Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:22 am

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I had a quick look at each wagon's ISO.

DGB really doesn't have a lot of content. I can't read them one way or another.

So for now

UNVOTE:
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Post Post #397 (isolation #11) » Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:24 am

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Saudade has been tunneling on DGB the whole game. Not sure what that means, but NAI from my POV
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Post Post #484 (isolation #12) » Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:56 pm

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In post 402, Almost50 wrote:
In post 394, VaultDweller wrote:
In post 383, Almost50 wrote: The game is multiball. One White Mafia vs Another Black Mafia
In post 383, Almost50 wrote: The last game I saw this declaration it was true, and it came straight form a scum player!
?
2nd quote: I was in a game where a Mafioso claimed to be Informed out of the gate. They either claimed scum had a Strongman or a Ninja ability (I don't remember which). Scum did have two of them in fact iirc (either 2 Strongman roles or 2 NinJa roles). And then the prince married the princess and they lived happily ever after.
I got that. I'm just saying your "theory" about there being a White and a Black Mafia could also come from you being Mafia and already knowing this.
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Post Post #486 (isolation #13) » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:39 pm

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VOTE: croag

This is a "come and play" vote
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Post Post #538 (isolation #14) » Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:11 pm

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In post 503, Almost50 wrote:
In post 484, VaultDweller wrote:
In post 402, Almost50 wrote:
In post 394, VaultDweller wrote:
In post 383, Almost50 wrote: The game is multiball. One White Mafia vs Another Black Mafia
In post 383, Almost50 wrote: The last game I saw this declaration it was true, and it came straight form a scum player!
?
2nd quote: I was in a game where a Mafioso claimed to be Informed out of the gate. They either claimed scum had a Strongman or a Ninja ability (I don't remember which). Scum did have two of them in fact iirc (either 2 Strongman roles or 2 NinJa roles). And then the prince married the princess and they lived happily ever after.
I got that. I'm just saying your "theory" about there being a White and a Black Mafia could also come from you being Mafia and already knowing this.
Yes, it could. Yet it could equally be from the fact the game is literally called BLACK VERSUS WHITE MAFIA?
I thought it meant that Town was White and Mafia was Black, or something similar.
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Post Post #539 (isolation #15) » Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:15 pm

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In post 531, Croag wrote:i dot understand why it hasnt been hammered yet

like havent we gone into twilight many times

No.
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Real or fake?
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Post Post #580 (isolation #16) » Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:59 pm

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VOTE: croag

You've basically just tunneled arc this whole game without any reasoning.
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Post Post #615 (isolation #17) » Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:05 pm

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Is croag always so lurky? He is lurking worse than me, and that's saying something
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Post Post #617 (isolation #18) » Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:29 pm

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In post 616, Croag wrote:I just don't like his responses at all to being voted
You mean by asking "Why am I being voted"? Is that a scumtell to you?

That was the only response to being voted as far as I can see. The rest of the time he was V/LA.
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Post Post #621 (isolation #19) » Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:37 am

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Looks like the mod is making a habit of missing my posts. First missing my V/LA post on D1 and now post #580
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Post Post #639 (isolation #20) » Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:57 pm

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In post 638, Vorkuta wrote:Like the fact that we still don't have a relevant counter-wagon against arc
Join me on the Croag wagon
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Post Post #641 (isolation #21) » Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:52 pm

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@croag
In post 624, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 616, Croag wrote:Lol i got nothing else to say really except i think we should get arc

I am not claiming cop or anything

I just don't like his responses at all to being voted
What don’t you like about it?
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Post Post #670 (isolation #22) » Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:33 pm

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In post 644, Croag wrote:
In post 641, VaultDweller wrote:@croag
In post 624, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 616, Croag wrote:Lol i got nothing else to say really except i think we should get arc

I am not claiming cop or anything

I just don't like his responses at all to being voted
What don’t you like about it?
with such a heavy and seemingly random BW its odd that his literal only reaction is 'why am i being voted'
What is BW?
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Post Post #687 (isolation #23) » Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:12 pm

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Clemency having done nothing since subbing in isn't inspiring confidence

VOTE: Clemency
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Post Post #695 (isolation #24) » Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:51 am

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UNVOTE: I'll give him some time to get in the game. But I don't like the passiveness of that slot
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Post Post #739 (isolation #25) » Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:34 am

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I like how everyone complains about how dead this game is, but no one is making any attempt to change that fact
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Post Post #815 (isolation #26) » Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:27 am

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In post 810, johhny sno wrote:vault dweller is making pushes on pretty easy to push people and not much else (dgb, croag, clem)

i also don't feel like he's using his vote effectively at all so; he's not really applying pressure, just kind of placing votes and coasting

VOTE: Vault Dweller
Finally! I usually get scumread for this middle of Day 1. It is now the end of Day 2 and someone has finally picked up on this. You are now Town.

On a related note, I will start playing this game properly from tomorrow; I should have some extra spare time then.
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Post Post #842 (isolation #27) » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:37 pm

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a50, what do you think of me? Am I town or scum?
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Post Post #843 (isolation #28) » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:11 pm

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Chemist is probably town

Clemency should come back and play

Is Creature even in the game anymore?

croag really needs to contribute more. I usually don't scumread inactivity, but in this case it just rubs me the wrong way.

Everything sno has accused me of could be applied to Darth Baker as well, with some extra fluff posting thrown in

ethos can be town for now

johnny sno is town

Lapsa is a solid null. Feels like someone I would need a meta on to read

Uzi seems town

Mumble is another bandwagoner. I would like to hear his read on me which is not just a rehash of what everyone else has said

I can believe Rick's claim for now

roster doesn't seem to have any real reads. He just seems to go with the flow

Vorkuta has been talking the most sense so far in this game for me.
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Post Post #844 (isolation #29) » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:45 pm

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In post 739, VaultDweller wrote:I like how everyone complains about how dead this game is, but no one is making any attempt to change that fact
I have to add that this post wasn't an attempt to generate discussion, it was just an amusing observation.
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Post Post #847 (isolation #30) » Thu Aug 29, 2019 12:04 am

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I'm a PR btw.
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Post Post #866 (isolation #31) » Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:59 pm

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In post 860, Almost50 wrote:
In post 843, VaultDweller wrote:I can believe Rick's claim for now
Did he claim anything other than being informed scum have a Ninja?
In post 733, Rick Dalton wrote:I’m still informed, but I’m also an ungated tracker, which is dumb because there’s ninjas, so I’m uninspired.
I assumed this was real.
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Post Post #867 (isolation #32) » Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:02 pm

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In post 850, johhny sno wrote:but he hasn't *really* been actively pushing them, and has basically been following the leading wagons around.
This sounds like half the game.
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Post Post #868 (isolation #33) » Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:09 pm

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I'm not sure where to put my vote. None of the wagons are in my scum list

For now, I'll park my vote here

VOTE: rosterfoster
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Post Post #869 (isolation #34) » Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:10 pm

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In post 864, pisskop wrote:VaultDweller -: Mumble, Darth Baker
Craog -: Mumble, rosterfoster
Double voter spotted
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Post Post #870 (isolation #35) » Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:31 pm

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@mod, what did you smoke when doing that VC? Over and above the previously mentioned issue:
- Vorkuta is voting Lapsa, not Clemency
- Darth Baker is voting Clemency, not me
- Chemist 1422 is voting me, not ethos
- Clemency is voting me, not Not Voting

I think that's it
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Post Post #872 (isolation #36) » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:27 am

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Ok

VOTE: croag
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Post Post #978 (isolation #37) » Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:09 am

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In post 847, VaultDweller wrote:I'm a PR btw.
I'm a JOAT (1x even night Vig, 1x ???)

I killed ethos
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Post Post #979 (isolation #38) » Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:13 am

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I might as well reveal it. ??? = JK.
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Post Post #985 (isolation #39) » Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:29 am

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In post 982, Mumble wrote:Why did you shoot eth0s? You were voting Croag at EOD.
Information. Ethos was the leading wagon besides myself. And I almost never shoot my own reads, I don't trust them enough.
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Post Post #986 (isolation #40) » Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:35 am

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In post 816, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 815, VaultDweller wrote:I usually get scumread for this
In post 176, VaultDweller wrote:I'm not good at being town core. I prefer being suspected the whole game long
k
I can buy it
In post 984, Vorkuta wrote:I'm waiting for a CC, but I buy it
Town reading me is a scum tell.
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Post Post #1059 (isolation #41) » Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:23 pm

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In post 1001, Rick Dalton wrote:I tracked Vault to Ethos. He’s telling the truth.
Ding ding ding! We have a winner! I also happen to be ascetic. There is no way you could have tracked me

VOTE: Rick Dalton
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Post Post #1060 (isolation #42) » Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:32 pm

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And Vorkuta wanting to keep him alive probably means he's his partner
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Post Post #1061 (isolation #43) » Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:33 pm

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And Chickadee is town
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Post Post #1076 (isolation #44) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:41 am

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In post 1073, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 1059, VaultDweller wrote:
In post 1001, Rick Dalton wrote:I tracked Vault to Ethos. He’s telling the truth.
Ding ding ding! We have a winner! I also happen to be ascetic. There is no way you could have tracked me

VOTE: Rick Dalton
VOTE: VaultDweller

Why didn’t you claim that you are ascetic in your opening posts then?
Umm, for this exact situation?
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Post Post #1077 (isolation #45) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:51 am

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You'll notice that neither Rick nor Vorkuta questioned my Ascetic claim like the rest of the players. In fact Rick immediately admitted that he lied
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Post Post #1124 (isolation #46) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:50 pm

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In post 1123, rosterfoster wrote:UNVOTE:

There is some weird role stuff mixing with mod errors (I’m allowed to talk about it but I’ve not figured out how to explain it - give me some sleep and I will) which means that while I think VD is probably scum I need some clarification.

So please don’t speedlynch this until I come back.
MVP this game is "mod error"
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Post Post #1127 (isolation #47) » Thu Sep 05, 2019 2:11 am

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And Mumble is still a double voter
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Post Post #1131 (isolation #48) » Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:44 am

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I'm pretty sure the explanation here is that he thought you targeted someone else. Remember, there is a un-CC'd kill on ethos. So that part of my claim is true at least. Which means the vanilla result on me is definitely wrong.

Here is my humble request. Let me live for one more day so that I can (attempt to) use my JK power. Tomorrow I am effectively a VT, then you can speedlynch me all you want.
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Post Post #1145 (isolation #49) » Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:00 pm

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I hard claim that I have been speaking the truth the whole time. I may not have been speaking the whole truth all of the time, but I have never outright lied. I'm pretty sure you and rosterfoster haven't lied either. The only player who have lied, and admitted to it, is Rick.
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Post Post #1146 (isolation #50) » Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:01 pm

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In post 1143, Chickadee wrote:There's too much lying and confusion going on, and I don't know what to think.
Oops, I was quoting this
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Post Post #1239 (isolation #51) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:05 pm

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In post 1184, johhny sno wrote:since no one claimed the second kill and they apparently lied about being ascetic, i think vault dweller is a SK btw
Nope, still 1-shot
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Post Post #1242 (isolation #52) » Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:46 am

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Rick, tell me why you're not scum WITHOUT referencing other games. Because your whole defense is basically "This isn't my scum meta". So you are saying that you're a good enough player to know what your scum meta is, but not a good enough player to manipulate it. I don't buy it.
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Post Post #1258 (isolation #53) » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:08 pm

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In post 1257, Vorkuta wrote:Oh look- fresh meat
Again
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Post Post #1259 (isolation #54) » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:09 pm

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In post 1250, Rick Dalton wrote:
In post 1242, VaultDweller wrote:Rick, tell me why you're not scum WITHOUT referencing other games. Because your whole defense is basically "This isn't my scum meta". So you are saying that you're a good enough player to know what your scum meta is, but not a good enough player to manipulate it. I don't buy it.
What do you want me to say? I’m not scum because I’m town. Just because you think i have scummy play, doesn’t make my role pm miraculously change.

There’s no real reason besides that. Sure, there’s the case on me, i get it. It’s understandable. But I’m not scum
Funnily enough, I've used this exact defense myself quite often as town, and I always get lynched. Can't imagine why.
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Post Post #1309 (isolation #55) » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:07 pm

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In post 1261, The Fonz wrote:VOTE: Rick Dalton

Guys, lynch all liars. Seriously.
Anything else to comment on in the game? What is your reads on everyone else? Because this being your only post after catching up is incredibly scummy.
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Post Post #1310 (isolation #56) » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:08 pm

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Sorry, I haven't had my morning coffee yet and missed the last two pages. Ignore the above while I catch up.
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Post Post #1312 (isolation #57) » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:06 pm

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Ok, here's my "look town" move:

Slankers and/or sheeping players - Croag, DB
Players popping in, making some reads and disappearing again - johnny sno, LUV, mumble
Players changing their reads constantly - a50, Rick Dalton, Vorkuta
Players who's claims I believe and probably won't be voting today - Chickadee, rosterfoster
New players whom I have yet to sort - Pmysterious, The Fonz

Pretty pointless list, but just thought I'd put it out there.
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Post Post #1313 (isolation #58) » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:08 pm

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In post 1311, The Fonz wrote:Someone's been caught in a lie;
Based on what everyone has said of Rick, do you still believe he is scum, or is it more of a PL?
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Post Post #1315 (isolation #59) » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:50 pm

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I'm glad you pointed out point 5, because it is something I noticed as well. I especially like how these two posts are right after each other (emphasis mine):
In post 1287, Rick Dalton wrote:
In post 1284, Almost50 wrote:@Fonz: That's literally how Rick Dalton play as either alignment.

UNVOTE:

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though, but trust me when I say it a thing on MS to never believe a claim from Flavor Leaf (Risk Dalton's main) or Bambi Jay/Elsa Jay (another player who uses 2 famous alts) and never "trust" A50's claims on D1.
A50, if you’re scum, this is the scummiest post you’ve made this game. Scratch that, this is the scummiest post you’ve made all game. I still think you’re probably town.

You back tracked because Fonz says that’s literally his meta.
Why is that AI at all then?

That just makes it so it’s the perfect push tbh.
This actually could be A50/Fonz scum pairing if I go deeper, but I don’t really know. I don’t really have a strong clue where scum is right now.
In post 1288, Rick Dalton wrote:
In post 1279, PMysterious wrote:Rick, I find your posts to be all over the place. The only thing that could be true is that there is at least one Ninja in this game. Everything else just confuses me, almost like an enigma.
That’s how you can tell I’m town.


Ask A50 how consistent I am as scum. I’m a cunning sociopath.
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Post Post #1317 (isolation #60) » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:59 pm

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In post 1316, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 1312, VaultDweller wrote:Players changing their reads constantly - a50, Rick Dalton, Vorkuta
Yes! I'm in the big leagues!

*ahem*
Your point being?
Is it even possible to read lurkers w/o meta?
In post 1312, VaultDweller wrote: Pretty pointless list,
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Post Post #1349 (isolation #61) » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:09 pm

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In post 1339, PMysterious wrote:1. Who is the second killer and what is their role in specific?
I already claimed. I am a Town Ascetic JOAT (1x Even night Vig, 1x Jailkeeper). I shot ethos on N2
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Post Post #1351 (isolation #62) » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:02 pm

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Mod error. He initially got a "Vanilla" result, but it was later corrected to "No Result". General consensus is that the mod got roster's target wrong.
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Post Post #1381 (isolation #63) » Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:47 am

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I got a prod, but I am here. My activity levels are usually low over the weekends. Will catch up tomorrow
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Post Post #1400 (isolation #64) » Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:05 pm

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VOTE: croag

TR'ing fonz and a rick lynch will probably not go through today.
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Post Post #1405 (isolation #65) » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:16 pm

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You're making it very hard not to kill you. You haven't really done anything in the game so far.

Could you give us some sort of readslist as a start?
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Post Post #1408 (isolation #66) » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:27 pm

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How about subbing out? There has been so many of them we might as well have another one.
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Post Post #1431 (isolation #67) » Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:26 pm

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In post 1424, Chickadee wrote:If you're not currently voting, consolidate in one of: Croag or Fonz.
UNVOTE:

I believe both of them are Town. So what now?
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Post Post #1435 (isolation #68) » Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:13 pm

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VOTE: Rick Dalton

Why are you avoiding the question?
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Post Post #1557 (isolation #69) » Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:44 am

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In post 1556, Something_Smart wrote:I don't know why people are putting so much weight on my opinion when I literally just replaced in and still haven't read shit.
I think it's more a case of you are the only one of the active players not voting
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Post Post #1737 (isolation #70) » Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:01 am

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I'm here, just a bit busy. Will post properly tomorrow. I blocked LUV. I am now an Ascetic VT.
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Post Post #1810 (isolation #71) » Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:03 pm

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I am so confused right now. At this point I just want to sheep the leading wagon.

I agree Mumble's claim seems bad.

And while I am trying really hard not to tunnel Rick, I feel like he is trying really hard to pocket me here.
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Post Post #1811 (isolation #72) » Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:05 pm

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Also, I targeted LUV because I was more focused on catching scum than protecting town. And I didn't target Rick because if he is scum there is no way he would do the NK given that scum knew I was scumreading him.
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Post Post #1848 (isolation #73) » Fri Sep 27, 2019 2:15 am

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Until I have time to do a proper analysis, I'll just go with this

VOTE: PenguinPower
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Post Post #1919 (isolation #74) » Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:45 am

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This is the stage in the game where we should be lynching the "Town Leaders". Though I'm actually not sure who that would be :/
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Post Post #1921 (isolation #75) » Fri Oct 04, 2019 1:58 am

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TBQH, I've kind of given up on this game, given how badly we've been doing. And to quote one of my very first posts, which was semi-serious:
In post 176, VaultDweller wrote:
In post 167, Arcfield wrote:
In post 110, VaultDweller wrote:I'll abstain

You really don't want me in your town core
Okay ngl this is really sus. Why do you want to abstain?
I'm not good at being town core. I prefer being suspected the whole game long ;)
The point I'm trying to make though, is that the "strong" players failed to deliver any scum so far, which tends to mean that the majority of the "strong" players are scum. So yeah, I am back to scumreading Rick. If I had to take a wild guess majority of scum is within Rick/Vork/a50.
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Post Post #1924 (isolation #76) » Fri Oct 04, 2019 2:07 am

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And probably Darth. If Darth was Town, he would have been mislynched a long time ago for all of his fluff posting. But my theory is that his scumbuddies are keeping suspicion off of him.
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Post Post #1982 (isolation #77) » Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:09 pm

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Can we lynch Rick now?
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