Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

there is something really inflated about an ego to 100% believe (as town) your entire faction must be 100% town and thus you are the solid townblock

that's a guarenteed way to lose this game if you have a scum within you

why would a scum within you NOT say that they believe the other 2/3 players are town

bruh

yeah, why won't they??

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Alright, here's the deal:

I want each and every player here to state whether they would be willing to vote me today or not.

I'll keep the list public for ease:


[*]ofrhz
[*]PenguinPower
[*]Croag
[*]Pine
[*]Kagami
[*]Bingle
[*]Day One Lynch
[*]Vecna
[*]chennisden
[*]Marquis
[*]popsofctown
[*]Chandra Nalaar
[*]Flavor Leaf

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

She knows she was visited by what I can only assume is a FN Marquis
She knows I claim to have been caffeine addicted from the start of the game

This is all news to me. Was I just not paying attention?

I even missed that when he said it again. Thanks for the quote.

So, both Vecna AND Marquis are caffeine addicted already?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Bingle claimed caffeinated-at-game-start.

Wait! All 3 are caffeinated now??? IF that's true then I am "half willing" to buy they are all town, as that takes care of the "3 unkillable townies" dilemma for me.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

What does that say about your own neighborhood JJD

I dunno what it has to do with my neighborhood. It just tells me they were right to not follow my plan.

As a matter of fact I could see it as slightly town-indicative on all of them, but only IF they knew that Bingle/Vecna were already addicts and somehow deduced Marquis is going to act too.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Alright, here's the deal:

I want each and every player here to state whether they would be willing to vote me today or not.

I'll keep the list public for ease:


[*]ofrhz
[N]PenguinPower
[*]Croag
[*]Pine
[*]Kagami
[*]Bingle
[*]Day One Lynch
[*]Vecna
[*]chennisden
[*]Marquis
[N]popsofctown
[Y]Chandra Nalaar
[*]Flavor Leaf

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Alright, here's the deal:

I want each and every player here to state whether they would be willing to vote me today or not.

I'll keep the list public for ease:


[*]ofrhz
[N]PenguinPower
[Y]Croag
[*]Pine
[*]Kagami
[*]Bingle
[*]Day One Lynch
[*]Vecna
[*]chennisden
[*]Marquis
[N]popsofctown
[Y]Chandra Nalaar
[*]Flavor Leaf

@Croag: This is how I play!

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Like, I can "assume" Yes is the answer from ofrhz/D1L/Marquis/Bingle, but I don't want to be putting words in their mouths.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Like, I can "assume" Yes is the answer from ofrhz/D1L/Marquis/Bingle, but I don't want to be putting words in their mouths.

You know, with unkillable hood being addicted, I'm worried to lynch in our hood now - scum has more reasons to kill us and I'd rather not help them, if I'm wrong on you

I'll take this as a no then? Correct me if I'm wrong

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Alright, here's the deal:

I want each and every player here to state whether they would be willing to vote me today or not.

I'll keep the list public for ease:


[*]ofrhz
[N]PenguinPower
[Y]Croag
[*]Pine
[*]Kagami
[*]Bingle
[N]Day One Lynch
[*]Vecna
[*]chennisden
[*]Marquis
[N]popsofctown
[Y]Chandra Nalaar
[*]Flavor Leaf

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

@Vecna: Can you please confirm your view on this? Are you willing to lynch me today or not?

@Bingle: I am assuming you would, but please confirm this for the record.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Alright, here's the deal:

I want each and every player here to state whether they would be willing to vote me today or not.

I'll keep the list public for ease:


[y?]ofrhz
[N]PenguinPower
[Y]Croag
[?]Pine
[?]Kagami
[y?]Bingle
[N]Day One Lynch
[y?]Vecna
[??]chennisden
[y?]Marquis
[N]popsofctown
[Y]Chandra Nalaar
[N]Flavor Leaf

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

this inquisition of whether wed want to lynch you is actually improving my willingness to lynch you.

do something usefull instead of measuring hiw badly you need to work in a strong fakeclaim or whatever it is youre hoping to accomplish here.

Just bloody answer the bloody question and leave the "intentions and motivations" to me.

Note: What bloody fake claim? I am a bloody 1-shot Doctor of unknown sanity and there are 3 other players to confirm this to be a mod-confirmed fact in the PT opening post. Are you out of your mind??

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

NVM, I'll just put Vecna as a confirmed yes.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Alright, here's the deal:

I want each and every player here to state whether they would be willing to vote me today or not.

I'll keep the list public for ease:


[y?]ofrhz
[N]PenguinPower
[Y]Croag
[?]Pine
[?]Kagami
[Y]Bingle
[N]Day One Lynch
[Y]Vecna
[N]chennisden
[y?]Marquis
[N]popsofctown
[Y]Chandra Nalaar
[N]Flavor Leaf

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

In fact, I am also going to preemptively mark ofrhz as a yes. She's already voting me so there's no way she backtracks on this.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Alright, here's the deal:

I want each and every player here to state whether they would be willing to vote me today or not.

I'll keep the list public for ease:


[Y]ofrhz
[N]PenguinPower
[Y]Croag
[?]Pine
[?]Kagami
[Y]Bingle
[N]Day One Lynch
[Y]Vecna
[N]chennisden
[y?]Marquis
[N]popsofctown
[Y]Chandra Nalaar
[N]Flavor Leaf

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Fine by me

VOTE: kagami

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Tentatively marking Marquis down as a YES (and degrading ,y TR on him at the same time). You don't "selectively" respond to a post of mine (which was optional) and then ignore the one where it is explicitly demanding a response.. and one with just one word.. one word of 2 or 3 letters.. each could have even been abbreviated to JUST ONE BLOODY LETTER. So, if you were feeling lazy, the least you could have done is address the more pressing issue by typing ONE FUCKING LETTER in response.

So that leaves me with Pine & Kagami, neither of which I have an idea of where their heads are at.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Alright, here's the deal:

I want each and every player here to state whether they would be willing to vote me today or not.

I'll keep the list public for ease:


[Y]ofrhz
[N]PenguinPower
[Y]Croag
[?]Pine
[?]Kagami
[Y]Bingle
[N]Day One Lynch
[Y]Vecna
[N]chennisden
[Y]Marquis
[N]popsofctown
[Y]Chandra Nalaar
[N]Flavor Leaf

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

VOTE: Pine I'm down. disliked how kagami wagon felt too easy to get

Gonna make this one even easier for you

VOTE: Pine

There. It already has 4 votes.. just as the Kagami wagon did when you switched

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Merely changing it to yes doesn't really matter now. My next step is to request those who did day yes to actually vote me. But don't tell anyone about this plan. It's extremely and strictly confidintial

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I like the pattern of answers you got. I hope one of them answers N and the other never responds in order to preserve the pattern.

We should all change to yes.

In first grade I had a worksheet with a horizontal row of 8 boxes and I was told to use a red crayon and a blue crayon to color each of the boxes such that they made a pattern. I colored them all blue because that's a pattern. My teacher marked that problem wrong. She is wrong and I was right. To this day I think about it.

But separately maybe we should all change to yes because JJD has dropped scumhunting altogether for an overtly Survivor centered exercise

You were told to use red and blue, you used only blue, so you're wrong there

I happen to agree. I would've coloured them all VIOLET. (Now prove me wrong).

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Merely changing it to yes doesn't really matter now. My next step is to request those who did day yes to actually vote me. But don't tell anyone about this plan. It's extremely and strictly confidintial

No thanks. That is stupid.

How did you get this document? How did you learn about our secret plan?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Slap me

Contact AP in private.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

What's this with people nailing other people?

Spoiler:

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Answer my questions so I can get up to speed on claims.

Not sure I understand, but I get the feeling you want a list if claims?? If so..

A50+Chenn+odrhz+D1L are a 1-shot Doctors hood. Only

we do not know our sanities

. Only one of us is a Normal Sane Doctor. Another is a CPR Doctor. A third one is Paranoid, and the fourth is Naive.

You already know about the Reflexive Roleblockers: Vecna+Bingle+Marquis.

Pops & FL are the Millers (Pelicam was their third)

Then PP+Croag+Kagami+Chandra are in a hood of unclaimed abilities

And then there's you.

And you need to tell me if you would support a lynch on me today or not, please.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Fish flipped Ninja Watcher.

Show me where that was said. I now believe this is a scumslip of the TMI type. HOW do you know Fish was a Watcher??

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Well, JJD, kuribo hard scumread you, so I don’t see why I shouldn’t trust him until I decide for myself.

Why do you give a shit? It seems unlikely to happen with you aggressively intimidating everyone away from voting for you.

I didn’t know about the Reflexive Roleblockers, actually, but now I know who to ISO and search for details.

I don’t see you listed. PE: Got it, JJD=A50. Useful meta.

Kuribo doesn't know me as well as you do.

And trust me, I know what I'm doing with that "poll"

VOTE: Chandra

Scumslips and immediately disappears in hopes it somehow goes away

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Yeah please don't hammer before I take another look at the Pine wagon

It was Vecna (2 cites), Marquis and I

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Also before I forget, to post the last update looks like this

Alright, here's the deal:

I want each and every player here to state whether they would be willing to vote me today or not.

I'll keep the list public for ease:


[Y]ofrhz
[N]PenguinPower
[Y]Croag
[Y]Pine
[?]Kagami
[Y]Bingle
[N]Day One Lynch
[Y]Vecna
[N]chennisden
[Y]Marquis
[N]popsofctown
[Y]Chandra Nalaar
[N]Flavor Leaf

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Someone in Chandra's hood should claim all information that is publicly known in their hood

^^ I second that notion

P-edit: Tomorrow then.. or the day after. I'm just keeping a record for "when it does count".

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Whoever vigged Fish should join us tonight.

I thought you were against someone infiltrating your masonry.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

@Pops: Did you get the FN message from Marquis?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I'm going to say this just in case the thread is locked before I come back:

Me neither.

As you guys probably should have guessed, we're cops of random sanities.

Three of us acted, and thus became caffeinated. Croag neglected to act because she's too cool to submit investigations.

Unfortunately, absolutely none of our investigations so far will ever be useful. Penguin investigated pops for heaven knows what reason, and I investigated Fish, who was killed. Both of those investigation came back Town, so PP and I are naive / insane.

Ceph claims to have investigated Gork and gotten guilty. We don't know if he's telling the truth and it doesn't matter. Ceph and Croag are paranoid/sane.

That is great!

3 in your hood + Marquis acted (according to Vecna) + Vecna himself is caffeinated from the start + Vig = 6 not 4.

We can definitely assume Chandra lied, but that still makes it 5 players on caffeine and not 4!

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

He could have lied in some capacity, but I doubt it. I would bet my left pigtail that Ceph did act and probably did get guilty on gork/chennis.

The more you talk the less I like you. Check the setup. The game is single ball. It's Town vs Mafia. Ceph is Mafia, so how the hell does she act and get a guilty?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

@Pops: Did you get the FN message from Marquis?

Don’t answer this, but JJD should definitely be made to explain himself tomorrow.

Why tomorrow? Why not bloody now?? I ACTED LAST NIGHT. I TARGETED SOMEONE (WHO DIDN'T DIE). That makes it SEVEN caffeinated slots, when the mod said only FOUR. I am one (confirmed to myself, and should be confirmed to you now because there's no bloddy reason for me to fake this here and now when we already have a surplus of claims that exceeds the number of actual living caffeinated players). I trust Kagami's narrative (not Kagami herself, but unless they're all scum she didn't just make that one up).

So, at least 2 Cops are caffeinated, and so am I. Then you add Vecna, Marquis and a potential Vig and you get six, and that's ASSUMING CHANDRA LIED AND DIDN'T ACT (or just shot the Parity Cop).

ANYWAY you slice it, either Vecna or Marquis are lying. Vecna could have invented the Caffeinated thing to cover for a p who was acting on N1. Marquis could have been framing pops (with her denying she received a PM it creates a 1v1).

I can try to theorize on the Fish kill being due to bomb/PGO kuribo who fake claimed Parity Cop (PGO makes more sense since they'd want to draw the kill), but I still can;t see Vecna already caffeinated and Marquis acted as both being true statements.

Now can you stop acting like yours is the only way to play the game?? Please and thank you.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I will repeat:

Chandra claims to have acted (most likely lying)
Kagami claims to have acted
PP claims to have acted
JJD claims to have acted
Vecna claims to be already caffeinated from the start
Marquis was hinted (by Vecna) to have acted
"unknown Vig" may or may nor have acted

That's SEVEN bloody caffeinated slots. The Mod says only 4.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

And THIS was the main reason behind me pushing my poll. I wanted people to be committed to a stance before I revealed I was caffeinated. Scum don't want to lynch an already caffeinated player, so they would have had to find a way to change their minds about it. Town on the other hand would actually rather lynch me over an uncaffeinated slot, so they'd stick to it.

It follows that anyone who said yes and then tried to defend me is l,ore sus than someone who stayed committed. It also means someone who said No then decided to vote me after I revealed my status is likely town, because why the hell would scum want to lynch a caffeinated slot when they had already been publicly against it?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Why would scum shoot a Naive/Insane Cop instead of trying to get the sane Cop in PP/Croag?

My guess is Town Vig did it It doesn't make sense for scum to shoot the one Cop that is confirmed not to have been the Sane Cop (he got a clear of Monger iirc)

Pine was definitely the scum kill (claimed Tracker).

Also; just for the kicks:

Perhaps you think you have a purpose, but it's pretty clear you're accomplishing nothing.

I don't suppose you have my notes file open at your screen, do you? No? So how the hell would you know if I'm accomplishing anything or not? It's not like I've been vomiting me reads left right and middle.

i am insinuating that any reads you (IF UR TOWN since i have to say that apparently to satisfy vecna) develop from this nonsense method are exactly as good as throwing darts at a dartboard

I beg to differ as I believe I did hit the bull's eye. (How you like me now?)

Now I may or may not have a case on someone, but I want to see the Cop results first.

Also

did Kagami say whom he was going to check? If he did, who was it?

<<@PP/Croag

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Also, Kagami died, yet we still have 4 caffeinated players, so someone who didn't act on N1 acted on N2.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

But you said you did act on N1!!!

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Kagami said I did, but I didn't want to correct him in the open for reasons, but I did in 2876 via code and then again in the PT last night.

I see. So do you want to out your target/result now?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Which doesn’t help at all cos she investigated fish

Sis you act last night or are you being as useless as your recent train of posts are?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I'm waiting..

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

So, you both got an innocent on someone? If that's the case, then don' out (unless it's on me, because I'm caffeinated so unlikely to be killed anyway)

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Ok, so I'm preemptively posting my draft case on Marquis. I had intended to rewrite it after the thread was reopened, but I'm too lazy to do that.

Oh, and I did some analysis is the PT and I'm glad Kagami flipped town tbh. Tells me that I have good reads. << Something for my fellow Doctors to refer to when/if I am shot.

For you convenience, I will post the case in spoilers.

Spoiler: Case on Marquis

Subject: Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Night 2]

I dont know why people are drifting off of Pops, and I still hold Marquis as a TR

For me, it's specifically because Marquis is voting there (although I do have a "lowkey" remark they might be scum together).

Hot-take: Speaking of remarks, I have at 3 different points made remarks (in my Word file) that Chandra may be scum with pops. One was lowkey, two were strong enough. Don't ask for details, but Chandra coming out to defend pops whenever I talk directly to her (pops) is weird, and I don't think they're like Masons together.

Ammendment:: pops is TOWN. Marquis is NOT.

Check VC 1.3
chanmfra's voting Fish over Marquis (Marquis role is much more valuable) and Fish himself is voting pops over his own counterwagon. Marquis is voting pops too.

Also Marquis said it was safe for Hiders to target him. He KNOWS They'd be vanilized (and RB'd) so if there's anyway someone in your hood can be killed the Hider will be a sitting duck from then on.

Now check Fish Monger's defence of Marquis in every single chance he could and tell me why scum!Fish would do that to Town!Marquis. Like from the very start when pops voted Marquis for claiming Miller. 3-4 time more if you ISO Monger. Oh, and chandra too. Check 975 for instance. Remember this is the hood that cannot be targeted with a Vig shot for starters, and it cannot be investifated or Tracjed either. It could be Watched (since Watcher doesn't actually target the visitor) but then Fish was the SCUM WATCHER (according to chandra). There is a whole lot more but I'm not that good at making cases, so DO SOME WORK OF YOUR OWN.

Note: On D2, chandra made note of Fish Monger's early defence of Marquis and she gave <arquis town points for it (!) (See 2307)

Finally, Marquis claims his role "is confirmed town upon certain conditions", yet we've had 2 cycles already and he has yet to mett these conditions. How much longer do we have to wait for this to happen?

Note: Oh, also check his first readlist. The one where he had 4 reads (I think it was post #80??). He put PP atop (almost a pocket ,ove, don't you think? I mean, just in case there is a way to bypass the reflecive Roleblock thing.) then he had the 2 flipped scums as his only other TRs. WAIT. It's not just a case of bad reads. It's that he puct chandra above Fish Monger there, when he has been explicitly TRing Fish Monger and "finding himself disagreeing with a lot of chandra's views" and even called her "not town" before that.

I'll admit I had doubts along the way. The strongest of which was 1225 which doesn't sound like something one scum says to a pertner. SO if you really think that pitweighs everything else then don't vote Marquis.

Yet another edit: Marquis behaviour around the Pelican lynch was weird. It felt like he already knew for a fact Pelican was flipping Town. Scum wanted Pelican around to shoot FL and FL shoot him back. Problem solved for scum. I know both flipped scum voted him eventually, but that was when it looked like there's no way that lynch isn't going through )and after Pelican hismelf said to look for scum in those who defended him).

Feel free to discuss, poke holes, do your own reread.. etc.

VOTE: Marquis

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

That reads more like a towncase on Marquis to me

Explain?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I prefer the "scum don't defend scum" wine most of the time, and Fishmonger's defense of Marquis squarely falls in most of the time.

When your scum partner is unkillable and uninvestigatable , and you do not expect to be lynched soon, and you do not foresee a Vig shot, you do all you can to keep your strongest asset alive though.

Oh, and before I forget again: @PP: can you please tell us who Kagami was supposed to investigate on N2? Just setting the records straight. Please and thank you

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Can I ask why Kagz is dead?

When he was a little scummy and a caffeinated one shot who had already fired?

I know NKA usually doesn't get you many place but.. this one seems kinda loaded...?

Read my first post of the day. It was a Vig shot. A bad one, but the source was Town IMHO

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Unless of course we do have a Serial Killer, who had decided to act as a Town Vig for the time being

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Flavor Leaf softed 1-shot and hardclaimed "killed Fishmonger" in our neighborhood and was never cc'ed.

And you bloody believed him on the 1-shot thing? Flavour Leaf would very much want to live to get his 3-shots (!!) through, so claiming 1-shit after he had already fired once is the logical thing to come from him, as it would be too late to stop him when you find out he shot for the second time. Scum are very unlikely to have a RB anyway, because they let him shoot Monger on N1.

FL is cleared on so many levels (again, unless he is a SK.. solo scum. Then again, even if he is I still want him around for the time being)

P-edit: I have a very short memory so I didn't remember that. I thought I read it somewhere but when I checked the OP I didn't find it, and I assumed I confused this with another game. Thanks for the reminder.

That means FL is definitely Town here.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

If he shot Kagami, I suggested that I wanted to Friendly Neighbor Kagami

I think Kagami's "dies when targeted" tinfoil hat theory was true, it matches the "sickly" adjective in the flavor.

*Looks at first quote.. then at the second* Sure! Flavor Leaf does look bad for deciding to visit someone "she herself" thought would die if visited.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

So I softed FN receipt

Quiz time:

Which is scummier?

Shooting someone who could have been lynched (Kagami) or faking an inno on someone who would also be lynched without it?? Hmmmm.

FTR, I also TR your slot, pops. I did a reread (actually re-skim) of the whole game during the night and dumped my thoughts to my friends in the thread. I just want you to set your emotions aside and think with your brain. Just because you dislike FL's ways doesn't make him scum. If I wanted to lynch someone I didn't like in this game it would definitely be Bingle (who had practically harassed me all game), but I'm not. I think Marquis is scum here, and then there may be one or two others.

Even him changing his read on me doesn't help as I have clearly stated scum won't want to lynch me because I am caffeinated. Did you even consider that one? There are exactly 4 slots still in my lynch pool. I won't support a lynch on anyone other than those 4. The Kagami flip (right after chandra's lynch) boosted my confidence, and I'm willing to fight for what I believe is right.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Exactly like Pine said it would be.

Or as the MOD said it would be? Did you check the setup spoiler in OP?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Friendly Neighboring Kagami is safe, he is not a bat
Doing anything to pine is not safe

Where did Oine come from? You were talking about Kagami in both posts. Maybe you meant Pine??

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Spoiler - they do. Pine is ninja tracker.

He did claim that in THIS thread on D2. Iirc, he said something like "I didn't claim Tracker for symmetry .." I seem to remember something of the sort

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

OK, so it's confirmed Pine STILL has no clue about my play and would SR me regardless.
He saw the poll but didn't see the explanation nor did he see the chandra scum slip it seems. "Blind as a bat" comes to mind and it actually is funny in my head.
As for kuribo, I don't blame him. Old school who has limited experience with me.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

If FL shot Pine his read are terrible or he's scum, his reads can't be that terrible

if FL shot Kagami his reads aren't terrible but he's scum because he shot my FN target when he could have shot Literally Anyone Else

If you take a look in my Neighborhood (post-game, most likely) you will see that at least 2 people would have shot Kagami regardless. If the cops told me they were investigating ofrhz on N1 I still would have targeted her anyway. Have you ever been a Vig? The POWER you have can hardly be contained, and you shoot whomever you think is scum or unreadable, and if you get your first shot right you are more confident in the second one.

STOP THINKING ABOUT YOURSELF. FL did what HE believed was the right play, You do not have to agree, but you need to consider who the OTHER suspects are and how likely they are scum.

Oh, and there's no such thing as "lynch only by play". That only works in mountainous. If the game has PRs then it should be considered for the balance, i.e. mechanically solved. Period.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

JJD if you're town you really need to spend less time thinking/caring about your own slot

I really don't (think/care about my own slot). Not anymore. I already managed to lynch scum, and I am on offer for either the lynch or the NK. What I do care about is getting another scumster lynched before I am killed.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

The scum Cop already flopped, Bingle. What are you smoking nowadays? chandra was the Paranoid Cop.
Now there has to be one scum in your hood or this game is totally unbalanced. Yes.. because the scum was precisely the PARANOID Cop.. not the Sane nor the Insane ones. There may or may not be scum in our hood, I won't argue about that yet.

If someone claims to have received the FN message from Marquis I'm going to push for their lynch (the claimer) to verify the claim. If they flip town then Marquis is confirmed AND is unkillable, so he becomes an official IC.

Just thought I'd say that, so scum won't try to be smart and confirm their buddy for another day or two.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Town has 3 full cops

Naive Cop is no Cop. They're just a flavoured visitor

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

The Mod starts the game with a scum in the Cops PT = Scum know who the Cops are. 1 Dies on N1 and another on N2 and then ther's only 1 Cop left that may or may not be a Cop (i.e. Sane/Insane are the real Cops). Flip shows sanity so scum will know whether they need to shoot the third or not. That's why th Parity Cop existed, because there was a chance we'd have NO REAL COP by the start of D3.

How things went: They shot the Parity Cop instead because the Cops can't decide their own sanities on N1. Why do you think we ALSO had a Tracker? Because one scum was a Ninja, and the other is UNTARGETTABLE. Tracker could have only caught 2 scums at max, and that wasn't going to happen while EITHER of the Ninja/Untargettable scum is alive.

If you want to lynch "the partner" firstm help me lynch Marquis. If you want to wait to see if someone joined your hood, fine. Let's wait. Just don't make such declarations as "3 Full Cops" when you know fairly well that Paranoid/Maive Cops are both visitors.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Why I'm still alive?

VOTE: FL

Don't mind lynching JJD either

As if NOW, I don't mind lynching this out of spite. If it came down to D1L vs an outed scum I am going to vote D1L still.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Have you discussed with PP who to check or you both decided yourself on check targets?

They both decided on theor own, which is why they ended up checking the same player. Get out of here.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

VoteCount 3.1

Marquis [1] - Judge Joseph Dredd
Flavor leaf [3] - popsofctown, Marquis, Day One Lynch
Judge Joseph Dredd [2] - Bingle x2

Not Voting [6]

- ofrhz, PenguinPower, Croag, Vecna, chennisden, Flavor Leaf

With 11 alive it takes 6 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2019-09-15 20:00:00)

Alright.

@ofrhz / @chenn:

Forget everything I said last night

. The remainder of the scum team is currently voting FL. One member from each of the hoods that had no scum flips yet. They saw my analysis in the hood (D1L did and reported to them) and they decided to make an early push on the strongest PR we still have. Then they shoot a Cop tonight and they are set to make it a WIFOM war.

I am willing to bet D1L is the one who joined the Untargettables PT .. if there is a player who did.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I dont really see the big issue. Allthough to be fair, I have been working on the wrong assumption they were all 1 shot. No idea why.

And... Kuribo. Who was a parity cop in a game with millers. Also known as a full cop.

That's ONE clear (or guilty) on N1. Then again, he could have been (and he was indeed) shot on N1. Then the Cops, and that would be ONE result by N2 )scum would lie to keep them confused). Then they shoot a Cop. Too bad they lost their representatives in that hood, but I bet one of PP/Croag will be shot on N3. If the dead Cop (between PP/Croag) is the Sane Cop that's the Cops dealt with. If it's the Naive Cop they shoot the other on N4. The hood becomes public and we have 2 Innos at most. 2 confirmed Townies and 3 "uncheckable". The game is far from over.

Come on Bingle, do your "reviewer" thing. Don't be a lazy wuss.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Btw, Vecna continues to be a beacon of logic. I don't necessarily agree on his conclusion(s) but he sure does use his brain (you know, that part of his body that's inside his scull)

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Of those names, Marquis is off the table 100% unless someone comes into the thread with a guilty on him.

How do you "come into the thread with a guilty" on an untargettable. I thought we were talking about someone who did infiltrate your hood and is supposed to receive a FN confirmation for it.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I want to lynch JJD with all of my hearts.

Add Bingle to D1L. I will vote there regardless of the game state. I will throw and risk a suspension if needs be.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

VOTE: JJD

feel free to shoot me tonight, FL. I was expecting that since D1, you were looking for a reason to scumread me so much this game that it's not even funny, my hood buddies can confirm how I told to lynch you D2, if I die to vig bullet N1

Ram, fuck your vote, I don't care about it. It's how you talk that's bothering me. Everytime you open your mouth I feel like throwing up from the stink. Ok? Now do as you wish, but please stop talking to me altogether before I snap and say things I can never remedy.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Add Bingle to D1L. I will vote there regardless of the game state. I will throw and risk a suspension if needs be.

ATE noted and ignored.

You too, and I don't care if you rolled scum. This is dirty play in my book.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Didn’t he claim miller?

Good catch!!!

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

And WHERE is "said person"?? Only ofrhz hasn't reported today yet. And if that's her, that's more reason for me to lynch her today. 1- To verify her alignment so as to decide on Marquis', and 2- because she had a firm stance on the Doctors needing to stay uncaffeinated.

If it's someone else, then why the hell have they not come forward with that testimony when they posted today?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I'm not voting Marquis, voting FL is a scumclaim, so who you suggest to vote, oh, wise JJD?

I said to fuck off and stop talking to me. You can shove your vote where the sun doesn't ever shine for all I care.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Let me repeat this for the last time: I won't be moving my vote off Marquis unless it's one of the following situations:
1- To lynch whoever infiltrated the unkillables PT to verify their alignment, and thus Marquis'.
2- To hammer either D1L or Bingle out of spite.

GET ON MARQUIS

@FL: You can at least make that push for me, can't you? Just join me on Marquis and let's get him either lynched or we lynch his partner (the one who infiltrated the PT). We can then both rub it on Bingle's face (unless HE is scum, because I will never believe Bingle is so blind as to still as much as suspect me, let alone outright scum read me).

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Marquis can't mechanically confirm himself town, because he is not... unless Bingle is scum.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I confirmed myself as town to Bingle last night.

Come fucking on! Bingle was all about someone OUTSIDE your hood joining it. Vecna didn't object so implicitly agrees "someone" infiltrated your hood. And now you tell me that isn't the case?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Dang. PP you scum again bro?

VOTE: PP

gobbledygobbledygock
the mouse ran up the clock
the clock struck one
the mouse ran down
gobbledygobbledygock

Now why you wanna lynch a Cop of all other roles, turkey?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Nothing makes bloody sense. If Marquis shot Kagami, why is he voting FL based on a pops case that requires FL to have shot Kagami? Marquis would know well that FL didn't shoot Kagami and thus wasn't setting pops up in any way.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I’ve been popping in here and there when I was t I’m the game. All I know is that there is a neighborhood that reflexively roleblocks people. I pretty much did not read anything from day 1. I’m not super good on the mechanics other than they could cause us to lose

Why would you know about that one hood in specific if you hadn't read anything?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

VOTE: Bingle

Let's do this. Bingle flips green I promise to leave Marquis alone (and he can Vig me too on top of that)

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Nobody fucking asked, and my hood already know about it.

And you bloody called yourself "the" unkillable uncaffeinated townie. Is Vecna caffeinated or is he not a townie?? By the way you listed the caffeinated players omitting Vecna I can only deduce you don't trust him, yet you keep telling us your hood is all town.

NOTHING you say or do makes bloody sense.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

And Bingle was using it as a way to

defend Marquis

push for a JJD mislynch

Sounds better (and more to it) this way

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

[quote="In post 3371, Bingle"][/quote]

You keep saying that, but you have a TR on both your hood partners and only SR me out of the Doctors, so you're being a hypocrite. How will you find scum in your PT if you're not looking for one?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

people townreading PP raise your hands?

Aye

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

But wasn't Vecna, who convinced Marquis to shoot Fish?

^^Bingle is forgetting his own reasons. It seems that every layer of lies he adds blocks his memory from remembering what he had said earlier.

Let me simplify things for the rest: According to Bingle it was Vecna who convinced Marquis to shoot Monger, and it was Marquis who actually did shoot Monger. So WHO is left from that hood?? I can't hear you... LOUDER.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Did he claim tracker before he died though?

Yes. Explicitly. In 2796

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I fully believe Chandra and Fish were meant to be endgame and FL was scum who took advantage of his fakeclaim meta to push a lunch through on someone he believed to be an actual town vig

Sorry, nut I have to point this out: If FL is scum then HE is the designated scum to end the game. As such, ANYONE could have pushed that mislynch. Anyone who was NOT Flavor Leaf, that is.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Scum absolutely knew I didn’t shoot.

Meaning people, like JJD, who were acting like I did shoot Fish gain a lot more scum equity.

Sorry, but I'm too dumb to wrap my head around this one. Can you simplify it for me?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Note: ofrhz hasn't posted in 2 days 18 hours

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Fish flipped Ninja Watcher.

Show me where that was said. I now believe this is a scumslip of the TMI type. HOW do you know Fish was a Watcher??

WOW OMG I REALLY SHOULD HAVE READ THE END OF THE DAY PHASE!!!!

This is 100% ScumJJD calling out his own partner’s scum slip for town creed, because you kinda gotta.

Like; I genuinely do like you as a person and a player that I can't for the life of me tell you to "go shove it", but seriously.. what the freak are you on? All scum!me would have had to do is pretend they didn't see it. FFS, I do miss the OBVIOUS stuff sometimes, so why not one bloody word that had already been partially hidden with 2 subsequent posts??

Like, me bussing chandra would make much more sense if Scum hadn't already lost Monger on N1. Scum Cop is certainly not much of a Role, although I would still argue it would have been mice to know which of the other Cops to shoot based on whom they were targeting, but.. yeah.. maybe not that much of value in it.

But are you suggesting I bussed chandra after we lost Monger when I was the prime push of Bingle's (and knew that 2 of my own hood were willing to vote me on top of that)??

If your plan is to get me to snap and replace out, let someone else do it cuz I'm laughing at you rn. If you're serious though, stop smoking that stuff. It ain't good for your mental health (judging by the effect it has on you now).

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I also imagine town would bring up catching the slip, scum stay hidden because they want someone else to

But you just said I did it for towncred, so which is it?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Pp, JJD both claimed to have acted N1. The three reflexive players are already caffeinated.

FTR, PP expilcitly said he didn't act on N1 but didn't feel like correcting Kagami in public, so he did that in the hood. Since Croag is still alive she can confirm that PP did/didn't so I don't think he lies about this.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

By the bottom of page 142 it is obviosu that either FL is

really

desperate scum here, or he is on a new drug that makes LSD look more like penicillin or something

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

A50 is confirmed to having acted N1, which actually still gives him high high scum equity for potentially cpr doctoring his partner.

FL confirmed to be on that new drug! BINGLE AND VECNA BOTH SAID MARQUIS SHOT MONGER. If I had targeted Monger he would have been SAVED, unless I am the naive Doctor (which still could be the case, but I don't know).

I already told my hood mates I targeted ofrhz because I actually hoped I was the CPR Doctor and I felt she was scummy..

But the beauty of it is you also assume scum KNOW their sanities beforehand, so I can't possibly be the CPR Doctor because MARQUIS SHOT MONGER.

So, maybe I targeted my scum buddy dully knowing that my protection (as a Naive Doctor) is worthless? Or maybe I killed Monger and both Bingle and Vecna are lying and Marquis is also in with them?? Or maybe Marquis is lying about having shot Monger and it was me who killed my partner and Marquis is scum with me and covering up for me?? Or maybe pigs do fly and elephants are pink and the moon is made out of cheese??

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

yo, coffeenated bois, if youd like to confirm

VOTE: pp

Chenn, please disregard anything and everything FL says for the time being. That stuff he's on is dangerous, man.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Chandra, Kagami, PP, JJD, Vecna, Marquis, unknown Vig

Chandra is scum, let’s cut them out.
Vig was false, that didn’t happen. Cut them out.
Vecna, Marquis,

Bingle

are all caff’d from beginning.

Where the fuck does Bingle come from?? He isn't even on my list, and he is UNCAFFEINATED according to HIM.

The Vig is Maruis (as it now turns out) so that's one false alarm. Another is PP WHO HAS NOT ACTED ON N1. chandra was the third false alarm, obviously.. making Kagami, JJD, Vecna & Marquis the 3 caffeinated players at the start of D2.

HOLD ON A BLOODY SECOND!

There are 0 living players who are currently

addicted to caffeine

.

Vecna isn't/wasn't caffeinated at the start of the game.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Vecna, Marquis, Bingle are all caff’d from beginning.

Are you still OK with this shit??

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

There are 0 living players who are currently

addicted to caffeine

.

Wait, I thought they all started as caffeinated. Why is this 0? Hmm

THANK YOU. Now go get some sleep.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Also has it actually been claimed the 3 reflexive people are caffeinated already?

Not to my knowledge. The last I've heard was Bingle claims I'm scum trying to lynch him as the UNcaggeinated townie in his hood. Vecna is also being ecasive as to whether he is caffeinated (he claimed all sorts of things, including having been caffeinated from the start which has been mod confirmed not to be the case).

In fact, Vecna is now FL-level regarding claims. I don't know what to believe/disbelieve about him.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

So did JJD confirm he used an action the first night?

Yes. I used my Doc 1-shot on ofrhz. She's not dead so I am not the CPR Doctor.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Day 3 has 4 caffeinated.

Bingle
Vecna
Marquis
PP
JJD

Oooh, so surprising that JJD wants to lynch the unkillable uncaffeinated townie.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I seriously wish I had rolled scum though. It would have been so easy pushing mislynches and blaming it on someone else

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I will repeat:

Chandra claims to have acted (most likely lying)
Kagami claims to have acted
PP claims to have acted
JJD claims to have acted
Vecna claims to be already caffeinated from the start
Marquis was hinted (by Vecna) to have acted
"unknown Vig" may or may nor have acted

That's SEVEN bloody caffeinated slots. The Mod says only 4.

Well, actually, this confirms JJD or PP as 100% scum.

@Turkey - what do you have to say about that?

Pp, JJD both claimed to have acted N1. The three reflexive players are already caffeinated.

We only have 4 alive players, meaning one of PP or JJD is scum. This is a direct 1v1.

I don’t think that contradicts the 4 people alive. The unknown vig is Marquis so that’s 6. Chandra and Kagami are dead so that’s 4.

Why are your reads so mercurial?

This is wrong.

He claimed the Vig from N2, not N1.

READ THE BLOODY THREAD

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I actually feel like I remember him specifically stating he didn’t claim his target.

I think he accidentally killed Fish, though.

Actually, it does serve me well to claim I targeted Monger so it would create a 1v1 between me and Marquis, but the TRUTH is my target was ofrhz, so...

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

No! You were so close. Vote the cheeky scumfuck who I've been telling you to vote for literal eternities.

I've got me a suggestion for you... you should get a full size mirror.. strip all your clothes off and stand buck naked before it.. turn around so that your backside is facing the mirror..

Now here's the trick: If you can turn around faster than light you can actually [cersored] yourself.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Dead vig + fish kill + CPR doc who didn't act is 3 vigs.

Dead vig + FL claim + CPR doc killed fish is 3 vigs.

WHERE THE FUCK IS MARQUIS IN THIS LIST???

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I'm not caffeinated. Marquis was caffeinated N1 when he shot Fish by his claim.

So why isn't he listed in the previous quote?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Note: ofrhz hasn't posted in 2 days 18 hours

And when she has posted it’s been very scummy.

I agree whole-heartedly. Build a wagon on her and I'll hammer.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

If there’s anyone whose playstyle can be described as Gobbledygook it is FL, JJD. Don’t read too much into his confusing narrative.

I beg to differ. FL's closest would be my on my main (Almost50). It's not an identical playstyle, but the mentality is close enough as either alignment (he is more daring as scum though)

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

JJD, so you did actually act the first night?

Yes. I swear on AP's virginity!

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

VOTE: ofrhz

avec plaisir

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Vous parlez la langue?

non. pas du tout.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

But seriously, I don't speak French at all. A little Italian maybe (not enough to hold a steady conversation though)

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Chandra
Kagami
Penguin
Judge Joseph
Possible pops?

Have at least one scum in them likely

That's a very bad list, FL.

Pp’s first Day 2 post

You gotta give to him though. 2 gave already flipped town, and I know I am, so if PP is town (and I do believe he is) that's 1 scum out of 5. Bad list indeed.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

@chenn: What did I tell you? You will NOT be able to lynch the scum today. Nobody wants it.

Tinfoil: PP/Croag + chenn scums is plausible.. from an independent PoV. I have a TR on all 3 though so of this is the case they can win (and it pleases me that Bingle loses in this situation).

VOTE: JJD

Let's do this.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Btw, I am the Paranoid Doctor. After the 2 flips from my hood we deduced that Chenn is the CPR Doc.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Also, Monger dying to a PGO is a silly proposition. It was only plausible on D2 because we didn't know better. Now we know there has been 2 deaths every single night, so where do the extra kills come from?? (One from the CPR doctor?? Cool. How about the other one? It's been 3 nights so far with 2 deaths each).

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Hey, that list FL said had one scum? It had ONE SCUM!

He said "at least", and PP was TRing chandra, so..??

But anyway, lynch me and get it over with. If you're town you are pushed to a corner and it please me. If you are scum no more hiding behind a SR on me and -hopefully- someone will get things right.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Yeah JJD, stop the fucking selfvoting and play properly if youre town.

UNVOTE:

1- I am tired of Bingle's tunnel. PP said it best: He's either scum or an idiot. Some people are falling for his narrative, so it's best to remove me from the equation before it's truly LyLo (I know I am caffeinated too, so better than lynching an uncaffeinated townie still)

2- I have SRs and I have TRs. The problem is there is always this nagging feeling that I am wrong somewhere. <y role doesn't help (as opposed to -say- if I had rolled an investigative).

3- I have even used up my shot so I am effectively a VT since N1. Scum certainly have no incentive to shoot me now and are keeping me alive as a distraction/insurance policy.

Last night we agreed it was most like FL/Marquis, but I told chenn & D1L they won't be able to lycnh either with Bingle around. I also expected to be shot IF MARQUIS WAS TRULY A TOWN VIG. Suddenly he is only 2-shots and FL didn't actually join your PT.

My problem now about a FL/Marquis team (my own theory, btw) is I don't understand the kills. Why did they shoot Monger? How come Scum have 2 kills?

The backup team is Bingle/FL and I told my guys we should just concede if that's the case.

All in all, I am totally lost and I am being pushed.suspected by most everybody now. Even PP said something about me being possible Scum. and I believe I am the only one left for the Cops to investigate. Now if I get lynched they have to investigate each other. If there's scum between the two and they (the scum) are the Sane Cop we already lost too.

I will join you on FL because I want to lynch between him and Marquis, but I honestly do not expect either lynch to go through for as long as Bingle is alive.

VOTE: FL

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

It also perfectly explains why JJD acted N1.

It totally does NOT explain why I claimed it though.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Actually, I think I've talked my way into CPR kill on Fish.

And I will repeat that I am actually the Paranoid Doctor. It's confirmed to me/chenn now. And I bet you are setting chenn up for the lynch after my flip based on the same sick narrative, except it doesn't even compute because we knew we only had 4 caffinated players at the start of D2.

Even more

odd of you

to consider a CPR Doc kill on Fish, yet still maintain Marquis is "very likely Town". If Fish died to CPR protection then Marquis did NOT shoot him for starters. So how on the planet is he town to you based on THAT?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Maybe it is Marquis/JJD and I've been wrong about Marquis this whole time.

Then you lynch Marquis FIRST and then we see, because -according to how the game went- chenn is the CPR Doctor and he DID NOT ACT ON N1.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

this nearly guarantees JJD scum.

Likely with Marquis.

Then put your bloody vote where your mouth is at and lynch MARQUIS. For one thing, Marquis is UNTARGETABLE, so he can't be copped. For another he is still UNTAGETABLE so can't be CPR killed either. I can both be investigated AND CPR protected (and scum shooting me that night to implicate me is fine because they are sacrificing a kill)

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

JJD and PP should be in a 1v1,

Yeah, if that's the case I'd vote myself 10 times out of 10. However, YOUm Sir are scum here.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Get 2 votes on Marquis and I'll be the 3rd. chenn is already on board in principle if hadn't changed his views after the PT got locked.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Town never does that in this scenario because it’s game over.

No it's not. I dunno about game over, but it's certainly the correct town play here to sacrifice an effectively caffeinated VT slot for a Cop who can still act tonight (so will have to be shot still if Town). Unless if course he Naive and Craog is the scum Sane Doctor (which can't be the case because of chandra's flip)

So, I am willing to eat rope over EITHER Cops here. 100%

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Marquis: 2 shot compulsive vig.

IF that claim is true then FL

must be

a 1-shot SCUM Vig. Why would the mod give Town 3 different Vigs, presumably with 4 shots collectively (I say presumably because it was never confirmed Pelican was 1-shot)

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Town never does that in this scenario because it’s game over.

No it's not. I dunno about game over, but it's certainly the correct town play here to sacrifice an effectively caffeinated VT slot for a Cop who can still act tonight (so will have to be shot still if Town). Unless if course he Naive and Craog is the scum Sane Doctor (which can't be the case because of chandra's flip)

So, I am willing to eat rope over EITHER Cops here. 100%

Neither of the cops can act. They already checked Chennis

Are you for real?? The bloody DOCTORS are 1-shot. The Cops are not!

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

@FL: Regardless of your alignment (right no you're like 99% scum to me) but you need to go eat a banana. You sure deserve/need that more than I do, mate.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Oh, Marquis is a miller too.

We never did figure out why there are millers in the untargetable thread.

THIS is one MAJOR reason why I don't trust you/Marquis and I'm POSITIVE one of you must be scum.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I was actively trying to get shot so our PT would go public

This is

utter BS

, because:

Also, there's a decent chance that FL is the vig, in which case he joins us and the scum can't kill him tonight. (I checked with FG when this occurred to me, the joining of our neighborhood would apply before the scumkill.)

And the fact Bingle is now letting it slip without correcting it is the reason why I am now leaning Bingle/FL over Marquis/FL. FL is scum ANYWAY YOU SLICE IT though.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

@Vecna: I dunno shout the falvour (story of my life) but if it helps.. I am Courtney Minx.. Cafe Owner. Our PT is named after me.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

A) Marquis will be conftowned when JJD flips Paranoid Doc

Huh??? How does me flipping paranoid clear Marquis in any way???

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

VOTE: Bingle

This vote isn't going to move today. Do your best to lynch me because I have turned on my full tunnel mode now.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Man, JJD needs this scum victory if he’s scum, I don’t envy him here at all if he’s scum. That’s probably so stressful.

The thing is... I ONLY keep the records for A50. I only have wiki page for A50. Neither AP nor JJD should matter regarding games outcomes, but I still would always fight against being framed. I am Town aligned and -since Vecna thinks flavour may matter- let's wait and see what he thinks about my flavor claim. Bte, chenn can also confim the PT is called Courtney's Cafe, so of he is not directly CC'ing and with the other two already flipped that's my flavor 100%. vecna can decide of that character has scum equity (because I honestly don't know). All I know is I got a Town role PM.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

@Bingle: So if I'm paranoid Marquis is clear, yet if I'm CPR he is still clear? I thought you WHOLE FUCKING CASE revolved around be being a CPR Doctor who targeted his own buddy.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

@Croag - you should check me tonight, actually. If you get a Town result, the proves you are the Naive Cop, and PP would be the same cop.

If you’re the Sane cop, i think it makes me wanna throw any potential of ScumPP completely out the window.

Another scum claim from the GREAT FL! If this came from just about anyone else I'd have let it pass, but YOU.. you are one of the GREATEST (No BS) and you know better.

You are planning on shooting PP next, aren't you? You want to guarantee that Croag doesn't get a beneficial result -just in case she is the sane Cop. She checks you and she gets and inno and she's Naive. If she gets a guilty, you're a Miller anyway. WHAT GOOD is her check on you at this time?? Why can't she check ME tonight so IF she is the sane Cop she -at least- returns a GOOD result?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

But PenguinPower probably doesn’t die tonight. He’s caffeinated.

So is everyone that can be targeted with a kill, except for chenn. Then again, as long as there is one townie between Vecna/Bingle; targeting the uncaffeinated players is useless. Scum will need to get rid of the Cops to avoid having more conf!townies outside of the untargetables until they can eventually push for the lynch of the townie(s) in there.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

And that's one more reason for us to lynch Marquis, btw. Either way he is caffeinated and he claims to be out of shots, so his flip isn't disasterous for Town, but will give us all plenty of info.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

@Bingle: OK.. let's get to the "verifiable facts" here.. I want you to state one more time the final version of your case on me. Why am I scum? No ifs and buts. ONE solid "verifiable" narrative.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

i wasnt gonna check anyone who asked me to check them anyway lol

You don't have that many options though. We are 6, and 3 are untargetable, so 5. Two are you and PP, so 3. You already checked chenn, so that leaves either me of FL to check tonight, and FL is a Miller anyway, so the Naive Cop gets a clear and the Sane Cop gets a Guilty either way.

Bottom line, you can check me, myself or I!!!

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

VOTE: JJD

Whatever.

Either this flips scum, or it flips town meaning that Chennis can CPR-vig FL tonight. (I hope)

Pretty sure its either FL + bingle or PP + JJD.....

And the former is just more towny as a whole than the latter two by a decent margin. Even with all the scummy shit attached.

Mate, I am literally the only target the Cops can target tonight. Other than me, chenn can always CPR FL for reals if that's what you really want. So why don't we all lynch MARUIS who is both untargetable AND already caffeinated?

Scum will always try to shoot a COP here, but it's 50-50 they hit the sane cop. Right? So there is a 50-50 chance you get a solid inno on me (unless they don't shoot a Cop and then you 100% get an inno on me).

Meanwhile, FL is dead (unless scum want to waste their NK shooting him with chenn on him, which would bring us back to an ODD number )

If Marquis is scum and FL is his partner the game is OVER. If Marquis is scum and I'm his partner I am lynched tomorrow. If Marquis is scum with Bingle we get to a 3 players LyLo with you, Bingle and chenn.

If Marquis is Town you can do the math again, but you will get a better view still with the flips.

If I get lynched the Cops are both out of work anyway, and if FL is lynched then I am the only valid CPR shot when the Cops also have no one else to check but me!!

Do the math, Vecna. Mechanically it should be Marquis (even over Bingle) because he is already caffeinated, yet -uinlike myself or FL- he can neither be Copped nor killed by the CPR Doctor.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I mean, lynching Marquis is the right bloody move for the right bloody solve no matter what!

And now that chenn announced he isn't acting makes it even better. One more town slot for the scum to shoot, so they may leave the Cops alone.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

VOTE: Marquis

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

From town JJD's perspective, Marquis is conftown. JJD IS SMART ENOUGH TO FIGURE THAT OUT. JJD is pushing us to lynch Marquis first.

Therefore: JJD is scumlordz.

Explain this to me like I am 3 years, 5 months and 14 days old.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Well, my theory is Marquis + BINGLE are scum, so with 2 untargetable scums they can literally bus the other 2 without having to worru about being caught.

And yes, I am saying 2 now because if there are 3 still alive you would have gone for about ANY mislynch you can get to win the game right here and now.

"JJD is smart enough to know Marquis should be cleared by now, yet he -JJD- is dumb enough to keep pushing in that direction". Are you nuts?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

@Dingle: what's the name of the character in your avi?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Who killed Fish in your proposed universe JJD?

ANYONE could have. FL could have. Theoretically, chenn could have. Scum!Marquis could have. Kuribo PGO could have. I am more concerned about who is scum and ALIVE now. And I am shocked you don't see the Marquis lynch is the

optimal mechanical option

.

My other option is to lynch YOU, but you are uncaffeinated. That's risky if you turn to be just a stupid stubborn townie. If you wish to confess to being scum though, by all means.. be my guest.

@Dingle: what's the name of the character in your avi?

Binky Barnes

Let's just assume you are town here. Are you willing to be on my alignment? (Hint: That was rhetorical). If I flip scum you get to keep your avi. If I flip town though you change it to Binky Barnes

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

You must be a lawyer, and a damn cunning one!!

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

^@Shingle

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

FL or JJD has to be scum here.
Are either of them alts?

Yes. I'm an alt of Flavor Leaf, and he's an alt of Judge Joseph Dredd.

VOTE: Bingle

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

@Vecna: You are AWFUL. Not just because you turned 360 degrees to come back exactly where you started, and not only because where you started/finished is plain wrong, but also because you bloody talked me out of voting myself to get rid of this nonsense, thus extending the day with no gain at all. Tell me what has changed from the moment you told me to unvote myself to this very moment?? Did we receive new info? Did you change your reads on just about anyone? The fact is you play in your own universe, form reads on D1 and stick to then until the very end. I bet if you had access to the mod PT and saw the roles and alignments yourself that you'd still come back here to vote me today because you know better than to trust the Mod!!!!

VOTE: JJD

If Vecna is scum, he deserves the win. He bloody played obtuse too perfect he deserves an Oscar. If not, well there you are.. he IS obtuse and his avatar certainly suits him perfectly.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Dont pretend like you have this game solved if youre town or have been doing anything useful whatsoever JJD.

I don't have it solved. I never said I did. All I'm saying is I am bloody town, and if you had intended to lynch me anyway then at least have the courtesy to let me go peacefully without actually hating to have played in the first place. I was willing to be lynched a long time ago and YOU told me not to self-vote.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

VOTE: Bingle

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Are the Cops ever going to vote??

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

See? THAT is the REAL Bingle analysis (regardless of alignment). He does the math pretty good. This is EXACTLY why I SR him here because he's overlooking everything to get to justify SRing me.

@Bingle: IF you are town, I urge you to reconsider ALL your reads

under the hypothetical assumption

that I already flipped and you now know I'm Town. Give me a solve based on that hypothetical assumption.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I will ignore the last paragraph, as it's not what I asked (obviously). So, if you were told (by the mod) that I was town. Your solve would be..?? Who do we lynch TODAY "if I was conf!town"??

Also (and this another question so please answer above first); if I am today;s lynch and I flipped green, what would YOU DO if you were in:
A) chenn's shoes
B) Either Cop's shoes (they dunno their sanities yet, so assume you're a Town Cop)

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Fits just as well with JJD as Marquis.

False, because I'm Town.

I'd agree on the rest if it wasn't for the FLAVOR. I mean, it'd be EVIL if I made a game titled "Maximus; the savior of Rome" and then made Maximus Decimus Meridius a Mafioso in it! Maybe I'm naive? I dunno, but I usually like to make my flavor fit.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Can we slow down until Bingle answers 4014, please? That's all I ask. Please and thank you.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

OK, so then everyone should have a road map to what they should do tonight. Lynch away.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Marquis is scum slipping all over the place.

If Marquis was actually a Vig, a 3 man scum team could be killed Night 1 by all the vigilantes

???????????????????????????????



i wish i knew earlier u were either scum or just plain paranoid town
i hate that i'm not 100% certain what it is because i'm assuming you're a cocky enough scumplayer to think you can act as insane as your play this game has been and get away with it

yes i think there's 3 scum. i think that vigs are inherently antitown especially when forced to shoot with low information, and in this game further scum's secondary win condition doing so. if you're really a town vig that's 4 kills per night which are most likely to hit town with a good chance of hitting uncaffeinated town. but i don't think you're a town vig after every bs claim and play you've made this game and i feel like you're finally doubling down on this one because it's what will keep you safest.

overall i'm pretty sure scum, me, and perry were the only nightkillers? plus cpr doctor. so yeah wait that's still 4 potential kpn.

i'm like 90% sure we're looking for one remaining scum. why are we even arguing this. more town power roles does not mean higher town win ratio. all it means is too many cooks.

you've also been pushing me and bingle all game is what it feels like. sorry you can't nightkill us? i'm not happy either because i still have to put up with this

GDI! I am willing to sheep this for better or worse. It is the better lynch from Bingle's PoV provided I am Town here, so let's try it.

VOTE: FL

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

@chenn: Even if it's 2 scums... it is not me, and it isn't you, Right? Vecna+Bingle can't be a thing (Bingle correctly outlined why). Marquis is "semi-confirmed" based on Bingle's logic, so if there are 2 scums left at least one of them is in FL/Croag/PP. Join us on FL and let's see how it turns. If Marquis is correct the game is over. If there are 2 scums left then -depending on FL's flip AND night action- we can determine which 2 (or 1 if FL flips scum) are/is left.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

And if you had missed it, the reason Vecna+Bingle can't be a team is that makes you the ONLY uncaffeinated Town player left alive. They shoot you tonight and it's game over.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

You don't want to lynch Bingle though, so..? And why would I want my own lycnh over yours in this situation? You're out of shots, right? You're also a Miller that cannot be copped. And you're caffeinated, just as I am.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Why have you thrown out PP/Chennisden as the scum team? They each took a side in the JJD/FL 1v1.

I already explained the PP thing based on the flavour alone, besides I can't see 2 scum Cops. Although with chandra being paranoid I guess the sane Cop can theoretically be, but it feels pretty weird to name the whole game after scum!

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Wait...

It’s Vecna/Marquis

GL selling that to Bingle.

UNVOTE:

Because I actually want to see you try

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

But FL why blatantly try to pocket me out of everyone

You're the only one who can kill him, mate. I wish you didn't bring up the caffeinated thing though. The original plan was to have you protect him while his p shoots him so your shot is wasted and he doesn't die. I dunno if they had intended to lynch the townie of Vecna/Bingle next to get their win, but it does sound like it.

Then when I pointed out the flaw of the original plan he switched to a different route, and they would need to guarantee you WON'T be on him tonight while they shoot you. It's either/or. You protect him and they waste their NK on him or they shoot YOU to get rid of the uncaffeinated "confirmed" townie.

First, they said one of the Cops could be scum with you to test the waters. That doesn't seem like the way to go here. You're NOT getting lynched today. So they try to get you caffeinated. That didn't work either. Now they need to shoot you while being sure you don't kill FL.

We have two choices here:

1- Lynch FL and get it over with.
2- Lynch me, and you keep your night action/lack thereof to yourself. They cannot be sure whether you would CPR FL or if you will stay put. That way they can't risk shooting FL because you might not be on him, yet they can't afford to not shoot you because you may not act. It'd be like this: Either they kill you, or they kill FL, or both you and FL die.

VOTE: FL

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

It was 4 scums spread over 4 hoods, and the only hood that did NOT invlude scum was ours, and THAT is why we were all 1-shot.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

You -of course- can announce that you will be targeting FL anyway but actually don't. Or you can say you're holstering when you actually intend to target him. But I'd say your best option now is to neither confirm nor deny either of the two options.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

And -AGAIN- it's FL + Bingle most likely, and they pulled a very good scum theater on us. The thing about them trying to push each other at times doesn't go through because both are so good at evading the lynch anyway. If either was my scum p I would have pushed them all the way to China, and they still would not have been lynched in this group of players.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

That's rich

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Spoiler: @Bingle:

I'm laughing my butt off at how right your leads are yet how wring your deductions are.

I agree that you can't be scum with Vecna because the game would be over already. I also agree that scum can scum claim now if it was you OR Vecna with someone else.

So, it's either you (alone), Vecna (alone) or Marquis (alone or with someone else).

If it's Marquis alone then he lost already still, because even if you lynch me and he shoots a Cop he'd still be up against 3 townies to beat. HOWEVER, you just gave him a golden chance to shoot in you/Vecna without being suspected because YOU outed that you still can be shot. (He couldn't have done it before because only the 3 of you knew that)

If it's Marquis + someone else THEY have already won. I get lynched, that "someone else" can shoot either you/Vecna using their factional kill while Marquis uses his SCUM VIG to shoot the Cop that isn't with him. Result: 2 scum vs 1 town left.

But I have given up already so it doesn't matter to me. If you are the lonely scum I will call both vecna & Marquis stupid. If it's Vecna alone then you and Marquis are stupid. If Marquis is scum (regardless of whether he has a living partner) then you and Vecna are the stupid ones. It's a win-win-win situation to me. ANYWAY it turns I will get to hand 2 players S.T.U.P.I.D. tags to tattoo on their foreheads.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

No it doesn't. The thing is I'm not sure Marquis actually shot Monger. It still could be that Kuribo was faking to draw the NK and was actually a PGO or even a Mirror. Look at how hard he was calling for FL to shoot him.

But that doesn't explain 2 kills on N2 (since FL only claimed the 2nd kill of N3), so If Marquis is a Vig he probably holstered on N1, claimed the kill on his buddy for towncred, shot Kagami on N2, holstered on N3 and claimed he was out of shots, saving his next move to when it counted most.. God that would be too complicated for him to come up with without a Master Mind like Bingle.

So, how the fame played out and how we reached this situation I think Bingle is the lonely Scum left if that's the case (if scum were only 3 at the start of the game).

If there are 2 left THEN it's Marquis + one of the Cops. But if there's a Scum Cop they could have claimed a guilty on me today still and lynched me. By the time Town finds out the bluff I would have been killed plus one of Vecna/Bingle shot at night so lynching the Scum Cop tomorrow is no problem because the other one of Bingle/Vecna gets shot the next night and scum win still.

And since it seems I'm chasing my tail at this point, and can't even risk being wrong on Bingle (because if I am I'd be handing scum the game by lynching an uncaffeinated Townie) I simply will stop efforting at this point and prepare my "to blame" list instead. (That's a pretty bold move, I say)

But seriously, if it was up to me I'd lynch Bingle today. If he is Scum we win. If he is Town we lose, but he also does, which is the same as if we lynch me, but sweeter because I lynched him rather than him lynching me. It only affects the JJD-Bingle affair and doesn't change the outcome of the game (if he is Town)

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Chandra. He claimed a result he could not have known was indeed true, so he mustve scanned.

Can you refresh my memory about this one?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

He wouldn't have known his sanity, so either he guessed correctly or actually investigated.

I wouldn't call it "lucky". Naive always gets a clear regardless, and paranoid always gets a guilty. Sane gets it right and Insane gets the inverse.

If Chandra claims to have got a guilty on a townie. By that time nobody knew their sanities, so he could have been (from everyone else's PoV) Sane, Insane or Paranoid. That's a 75% chance AT THAT POINT. The result would not hurt Scum, but it would have made you all doubt your results in the future. (Unless you think chandra was planning on getting lynched on that day)

P.S. Note the IF at the start of the second paragraph. I was actually asking Vecna to remind me who chandra checked and what result she claimed.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Yeah, but scum has no reason not to lie about who they investigated the second time, assuming jjd is town. Assuming jjd is scum, a guilty result on jjd scum from either of you confirms the other to be naive.

Basically, scum cop only actually has to gamble once here. And it would have been on chenn. Which you’re both confirmed to have told the truth on.

1- Why would "my scum buddy" check me here? They already know my alignment and they don't need to determine their sanity at this point if the game.

2- Why would scum take a gamble on chenn? Why risk outing themselves when their p -supposedly me- is already under heavy pressure/suspicion?

3- Why would the scum team (of me and a Cop) be shooting chenn over the other Cop? In my book, they shoot the other Cop 100% of the time to eliminate the chance of getting a guilty on me. If the other Cop is Sane then I am still a suspect but not a convict. If they are the Naive Cop then my buddy CAN fake an innocent on me with more confidence.

Hello?

P.S. Let's not forget nobody (outside your hoof) knew you/Vecna could be shot, so shooting chenn "because he was uncaffeinated" just doesn't cut it here. A Scum duo solely outside your hood wasn't playing for the secondary win con and couldn't have been.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

But why would you holster on N1 if determining your sanity is so important to you?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

craog said she was away from site for the whole night phase.

You know it's customary that ANY scum team member can submit action on behalf of their buddies.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

And Bingle still didn't answer why chenn over the Town Cop of the two.

If it's me + Croag, and Croag doesn't know he sanity they you should have been shot to prevent you from "possibly" getting a guilty on me.
If Croag already knew her Sanity (and I lied about my action on N1 to cover for hers) we still should have shot you, because if she is Naive you're going to guilty me, and if she is Sane her result would have more credibility with the Town.

Now add the special relation between you and I and you know you were the NK if I was scum at all. You yourself picked me of all people to tag for the kill the last time you were scum, so why wouldn't I?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

JJD guessed that we weren't really bulletproof several times.

Quote me.

As a matter of fact; quote FL too, please

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Wait, did we deduce which doc he is? Would his ability have saved fish?

Yes. I am the JK (Paranoid Doctor)

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Yes.. totally. Because the first thing a mod usually thinks of is "let's give scum a challenge here.. so let me make 3 townies unkillable and give them extra voting powers too". Sounds like something any sane mod would do.

This just hit me: WHAT IF the "unkillables" were really not? What if their PT effect does NOT stop a direct kill? I guess that would explain why they seem to TR each other today, under the false assumption that if scum knew that they would have certainly killed one of them.

^^That's not something I would think of. Blame the monkey man for planting the thought in my head.

There's more, but I'm not really interested in digging. Basically, I've suspected you the entire game because of this whole thing. Our claim didn't make sense to scum you, and you knew if it was true you were pretty disadvantaged. You also couldn't afford to check, because gambling that we were lying and being wrong literally lost you the game.

I'll leave FL's knowledge to Vecna, since he was the one who saw it.

First quote is in no way suggesting you could be shot. It was suggesting there IS scum in your hood.

Second quote is more of a meme for the moonlogic I use on my main. Try again

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

No one should listen to Bingle, he's

crazy

Scum.

FTFY

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

@PP: It's not that complicated. If you accept Croag as Town you know I am Town as a direct result. Scum is in that hood. Bingle is the one because he was the one to suggest they were unkillable (for town cred. He probably convinced then it was for their own good so scum won't kill them, but it was mainly to justify why HE wasn't gonna ever get shot). Bingle is also the one suggesting it canNOT be 3 scum from the start when it is now OBVIOUS that it IS the case.

Just think about it.. It's ONE of the "untargetable" hood because even Marquis canNOT be scum with someone in there. So, I am noe totally sold on the idea that we have ONE living scum and that scum is BINGLE 90% of the time.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

As soon as I saw you omitted the untargetable part form the BP multivoter I knew you were up to no good with that whole post so I didn't (and i won't) be responding.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Town cred in Vecna/Marquis eyes, smart butt! You convinced then that this was in their best interest and they thought you were townie for it.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Note: the vigs are stoppable via the scum in the doctor hood. The Cops are stoppable via the scum in the doctor hood.

Yes. A 1-shot JK is capable of stopping 4 Vig shots from 3 different players in addition to 2 ungated Cops. That's the best balance I can think of.

You know what? I am going to design a game based on your setup spec of this game here, and then I'm gonna make YOU the reviewer. I DARE you to pass it.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Better question: Why are there three full town cops if Vecna is scum?

Everyone please note that Bingle is consistently LYING because Naive Cop is no Cop at all. It's just a visitor.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Actually, JK is the only type of doctor that IS capable of stopping multiple vig shots. But you're literally agreeing with me that the setup is VERY townsided. And then arguing that the setup needs to be EVEN MORE townsided to compensate.

Making you untargetable isn't townsided. The power is NOT in numbers.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

It makes them more likely to be policy lynched.

And that's why your hood is intact in what you claim to be MyLo.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Also, the other two will inevitably die early to vig shots or guilties.

I guess it's bad design to have expected NO SCUM SLIPS from a SCUM COP (yeah.. sure chandra was on everyone's "to shoot list").

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I mean, the chandra slip alone proves the setup was balanced enough with 3 scums. If chandra hadn't skipped someone else would have been lynched on that day, and the game would have been even more tilted in your favour by now.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

The only way this isn't MYLO is if there is solo scum that isn't me or Vecna. (Or the game is already over and scum is fucking with us.)

There is a Solo scum and it IS you. Also, scum are not modding, Mod said scum win even IF NO SCUM WERE ALIVE if all Town was caffeinated. "Assuming" one scum is left outside your hood (IMPOSSIBLE) YOU gave them the key to winning here by shooting you & Vecna. You're not THAT stupid though, so you ARE the one scum that is still alive here.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

My hood is intact because Marquis shot scum N1, and I gambited with Vecna being town

And THAT was your plan to victory.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

You know who has wanted to lynch in my hood? Fucking everybody. Literally. Fucking. Everybody.

If "everybody" wanted that then it would have happened. The fact is it never got a majority.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I mean, the chandra slip alone proves the setup was balanced enough with 3 scums. If chandra hadn't skipped someone else would have been lynched on that day, and the game would have been even more tilted in your favour by now.

You realize that every investigatable slot has been investigated at this point in the game, right? If there's a sane town cop, chandra would be dead.

If chandra was alive you would have shot the Cops before anyone else. You don't fool me.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Do me a favor and find me a game with 17 players and 3 scum.

Oh! Surprisingly that didn't take me long!! Check this one out

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

VOTE: Bingle

Disengagement accepted