Open 765: Haunted Village (Over)

[NaCl]

Or well, not really convinced on your scumread, but you're not trying to get evidence.

All scumreads are pretty much based upon gut feelings at this point, it’s even harder for me since i can’t base it upon the meta. I don’t know anyone’s scumgame here. So the better question is: Are you really going to lambast me for what everyone else is doing on day 1?

You're not doing the same as everyone else (well, or the same as some people, anyways). You didn't care about furthering your read on PlatinumPhoenix at all.

I'm not liking their interaction just a little bit back, but given the gamestate, I think that Fake-PP is probably town, with a small chance of Zombie. The gamestate doesn't feel like one where a scum is being run up D1.

@RCE, you never answered my question, but looking back I might have been misinterpreting what you were saying. So if that's the case, never mind. Otherwise please answer.

@Tris, do you think that the Norwegian & Fake-PP interaction could be town/town? If so, why do you think it couldn't be one where Norwegian is scum and Fake-PP is town?

[tris]

@Tris, do you think that the Norwegian & Fake-PP interaction could be town/town? If so, why do you think it couldn't be one where Norwegian is scum and Fake-PP is town?

Didn't I just answer this?

RCE you're not my biggest scumread right now.

ben's recent posting has been kind of atrocious

Are you going to vote for him? Or anyone?

[PenguinPower]

vla until 9/14

[Platinum Phoenix]

@Tris, do you think that the Norwegian & Fake-PP interaction could be town/town? If so, why do you think it couldn't be one where Norwegian is scum and Fake-PP is town?

Didn't I just answer this?

RCE you're not my biggest scumread right now.

ben's recent posting has been kind of atrocious

Are you going to vote for him? Or anyone?

tris the way you want me to vote so you can evaluate your options feels scummy

[Platinum Phoenix]

ugh, as unacceptable as it is, ben could be lazy town

[Platinum Phoenix]

TL can you stop derptowning, and literally do anything better with your vote, including not using it

[NaCl]

@Tris
Oh, yeah, didn't exactly think that through clearly enough. What I was specifically meaning was "If Fake-PP is town, why does Norwegian's interaction depend on his alignment? Couldn't the interaction have gone the same way regardless of if it was Town-Fake-PP and Scum-Norwegian as if it was Town-Fake-PP and Town-Norwegian?"

[tris]

@Tris, do you think that the Norwegian & Fake-PP interaction could be town/town? If so, why do you think it couldn't be one where Norwegian is scum and Fake-PP is town?

Didn't I just answer this?

RCE you're not my biggest scumread right now.

ben's recent posting has been kind of atrocious

Are you going to vote for him? Or anyone?

tris the way you want me to vote so you can evaluate your options feels scummy

Why haven't you pushed a counterwagon yet?

@Tris
Oh, yeah, didn't exactly think that through clearly enough. What I was specifically meaning was "If Fake-PP is town, why does Norwegian's interaction depend on his alignment? Couldn't the interaction have gone the same way regardless of if it was Town-Fake-PP and Scum-Norwegian as if it was Town-Fake-PP and Town-Norwegian?"

Because I think Norwegian is town unless they're both in on it.

[Platinum Phoenix]

i think that's a bit surface level: what you're getting at seems like "Norwegian seems like he has the nuance to do this as either alignment"

i think a good question to ask is "what motivation does he have to do it as town/scum?"

[Platinum Phoenix]

@Tris, do you think that the Norwegian & Fake-PP interaction could be town/town? If so, why do you think it couldn't be one where Norwegian is scum and Fake-PP is town?

Didn't I just answer this?

RCE you're not my biggest scumread right now.

ben's recent posting has been kind of atrocious

Are you going to vote for him? Or anyone?

tris the way you want me to vote so you can evaluate your options feels scummy

Why haven't you pushed a counterwagon yet?

@Tris
Oh, yeah, didn't exactly think that through clearly enough. What I was specifically meaning was "If Fake-PP is town, why does Norwegian's interaction depend on his alignment? Couldn't the interaction have gone the same way regardless of if it was Town-Fake-PP and Scum-Norwegian as if it was Town-Fake-PP and Town-Norwegian?"

Because I think Norwegian is town unless they're both in on it.

Because I need to be right

[NorwegianboyEE]

For those of you who believe my interaction with Phoenix was S+S then I've already said in post 1247 why i believe it's objectively unlikely so i won't touch on it. From my own perspective it would either have to be T+T or T+S. And i honestly think Phoenix is town since i don't believe scum would react in such a way to being pressured.

[RCEnigma]

@RCE, you never answered my question, but looking back I might have been misinterpreting what you were saying. So if that's the case, never mind. Otherwise please answer.

The implication was I won't feel bad about lynching anywhere outside of my townblock. UiT was in that block until recently and wasn't attributing a scumread to them in my rant. Which was general.

But they're doing the exact thing I was talking about now and the vote is ehhh. I misinterpreted it as a townread + vote on plat at first.

The correspondence in thread is still weird because it's not like a schtick they're running. I have a theory that's angleshooty so I'm not really trying to use that in my read.

[RCEnigma]

ugh, as unacceptable as it is, ben could be lazy town

Who does that make your biggest scumread then?

[Unstuck in Time]

For those of you who believe my interaction with Phoenix was S+S then I've already said in post 1247 why i believe it's objectively unlikely so i won't touch on it. From my own perspective it would either have to be T+T or T+S. And i honestly think Phoenix is town since i don't believe scum would react in such a way to being pressured.

reading this post makes me feel like you're scum with Phoenix



TL

[Something_Smart]

Extraordinary claim to make with no evidence.

[Unstuck in Time]

Extraordinary claim to make with no evidence.

You can't tell me 1285 isn't made by scum trying to distance themselves from their scumbuddy.



TL

[Something_Smart]

Then it's a good thing that I don't have to. The burden of proof is on you here to explain why it is.

[Unstuck in Time]

Then it's a good thing that I don't have to. The burden of proof is on you here to explain why it is.

starting with 717, the vote looks fake to me.

718 is trying to make the interaction look towny.

756 is an otherwise good post, but it falls flat due to 717

783 is actually a good post. This might lead to credence that if the interaction isn't SvS, PlatPhoenix is town and not Norwegian

Reading 1213 - 1236, I'd say that interaction doesn't shine of the pure calling each other out that is a TvT interaction. It's likely to be SvS, but PlatPhoenix is town if this isn't.

The distancing NorwegianboyEE is doing after the fact makes it a -20% chance NorwegianboyEE is town.



Changing my vote to NorwegianboyEE because he's more likely to scum be.

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE



TL

[Something_Smart]

TvT interactions can go a lot of different ways. What is "pure calling each other out" and why is the that the only/most likely thing you expect from a TvT interaction?

[Something_Smart]

For the record, 718 is obviously a LAMIST post; that in and of itself is not indicative of alignment. Is there something in the timing of that post that makes you think they might not post it as town?

[Unstuck in Time]

TvT interactions can go a lot of different ways. What is "pure calling each other out" and why is the that the only/most likely thing you expect from a TvT interaction?

When two townies are finding reasons to scumread each other endlessly and there's no indication the interaction is fake, it's likely a TvT interaction.

It's really the major thing that says TvT to me... if it seems real and honest it's more likely to be town imo.

PlatPhoenix/Norwegian seems deliberately contrived to me... doesn't seem organic at all.



pedit: LAMIST posts like that are scum-AI imo. The timing is right after Norwegian voted PlatPhoenix so that makes it worse (seemingly to try to deflect the wagon?)



TL

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not sure what i'm supposed to respond to when Unstuck's main point is that the conversation doesn't feel "organic".
Seems like quite a stretch if you ask me.

It's likely to be SvS, but PlatPhoenix is town if this isn't.

This is really scummy. Why would me flipping town prove that Phoenix is town?

[Something_Smart]

pedit: LAMIST posts like that are scum-AI imo. The timing is right after Norwegian voted PlatPhoenix so that makes it worse (seemingly to try to deflect the wagon?)

That actually seems like a point against them both being scum, no? If Platinum were trying to get votes off of them, couldn't they start by telling their partner not to vote them to begin with?

[Something_Smart]

I'm not sure what i'm supposed to respond to when Unstuck's main point is that the conversation doesn't feel "organic".
Seems like quite a stretch if you ask me.

Explain what was going through your head and why you were thinking that way when you made the posts in question, I suppose.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not sure what i'm supposed to respond to when Unstuck's main point is that the conversation doesn't feel "organic".
Seems like quite a stretch if you ask me.

Explain what was going through your head and why you were thinking that way when you made the posts in question, I suppose.

Do you mean post 1285?
I tried analyzing mine and Phoenix's behavior objectively because i thought seeing the conversation as S+S was a really stupid conclusion to gather from the exchange. No offense to townies but wtf?